JAC

[Tiger5150]

I think that for any player that wants to join our club from somewhere else they ask some of the following questions?

Are we a team that will Play finals? - No
Whats the culture like? - Benji was shafted/Leaks
Do we have good training facilities - No/Another Year
What is the coach and performance team like? - Hard Nosed
How does my contract $ and term stack up - Cap tight
How does the Media portray us - Non supportive

So we seem to attract players from other teams (Tamou) that want to play longer in the NRL.
In reality if there a quality 1st grader that's great as they instill knowledge and dedication, but there is a balance.

We attract younger players that are looking for an opportunity to play regular 1st grade - Grant / Utoikamanu, Blore, Kepaoa.

So based upon these facts until we get the earlier points in order i don't think we are going to attract players with solid 1st grade experience like JAC now, unless we throw a stack of cash at them and generally as prior signings (Mybe/Reynolds/Packer) they are not on the field or when they are don't warrant what we are paying them.

For now coming into 2021 rather than spending, lets be conservative have a stash fund to upgrade players that perform, i would not mind having $335k set aside as performance bonuses for some of the younger players (Its what the NRL penalized us anyway) so when it comes to retaining them as we tend to lose players to richer clubs.

I think that we need a JAC type player (Speed/Skill/Experience) but unsure we will attract anyone till 2022.

I think that that is a reasonable summary. A key difference with JAC though is that he has been here before and has had a first hand experience with the club and the culture that was here at the time (hopefully improved). I would be surprised if he comes but it would be a massive vote of confidence of he does.

 

[the_third]

We had a chance to give Storm Talau for JAC we didn't we are a club that pins its hopes on potential.
Given that all we can do is develop our own and hope the good ones don't get pinched.

Why on earth give them anyone, least of all someone we want to keep. If JAC comes here we already have to pay him double what he is on. There has to become a point when you have to say enough is enough in negotiations.

It is clear that we are the only team to let him have a go at playing fullback and pay him accordingly. He either wants that or he doesn't. We also offer a job closer to his family which was his other desire.

If he has other motives that needs to be filled, he hasn't mentioned them publicly.

If he has welfare needs to bring him to Sydney, Melbourne have a duty of care for the wellbeing of their players, every club has let quality players go for a range of reasons when they would of preferred them to stay (welfare, discipline, interpersonal relationships, injuries) it's part of managing personnel in any company.

A lot of that sounds like it could be in the LM thread

 

[Cairnstigers]

Pressure is on
I think we need to have a crack at both Stains and Burton
Apply some pressure of our own

 

[clontarfkid]

He is contracted to storm for next year they want somebody, it would have been nice if they could have kept Momorovski

Momo too slow for a winger,and insufficent upside to retain a centre slot.
Bellyache not a bad judge of a footballer...

 

[the_third]

let's think about this another way.

JAC has contract with Storm next year
JAC wants to go to Sydney for family
JAC wants to play fullback
Rabbits have best backline in the comp
why would Storm release the best winger in the comp to a GF competitor?

regardless of the player involved, there is no way I'm putting JAC into the Bunnies backline if Im the Storm. that's absolute madness if you have a contracted player who wants to go somewhere. They have seen how badly it turned out for the roosters with LM.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

exactly make a big play for Staines and Burton

 

[izotope]

This is getting spicy, just can't see who misses out.
It's all good to say James Roberts will go but he's not even playing currently.

So out of there backline who is putting their hand up to play reserves for JAC to fit in, also remembering that LM needs to fit back in next year.

Just can't see it working out. If they get JAC im happy to have Corey Allan or Marsters here on half the freight

 

[Elderslie_Tiger]

South Sydney have all but lost patience with teenage sensation Joseph Suaalii and any hope of the youngster joining the Rabbitohs is fading fast.

Souths are prepared to throw big dollars at the 17-year-old but he has angered Rabbitohs officials with the negotiation process, insisting on get-out clauses.

The Rabbitohs are now likely to use the money set aside for Suaalii to have a crack at Storm superstar Josh Addo-Carr.


Addo-Carr is a Souths junior and the Rabbitohs believe he would thrive at the club given its rich

The Rabbitohs have one of the most exciting backlines in the league world and Addo-Carr would take their speed and power to a new dimension if a deal happens.

The Storm want a player in return for Addo-Carr if he breaks his deal, with the Bunnies believed to be considering offering up injury-plagued centre James Roberts or up-and-comer Jaxson Paulo

 

[The-moP]

This is getting spicy, just can't see who misses out.
It's all good to say James Roberts will go but he's not even playing currently.

So out of there backline who is putting their hand up to play reserves for JAC to fit in, also remembering that LM needs to fit back in next year.

Just can't see it working out. If they get JAC im happy to have Corey Allan or Marsters here on half the freight

Young Marsters is a tank .. bigger than his big brother Esan .. Steven Marsters is gonna be a backrower for sure ..

 

[JC99]

If I’m Melbourne I would take Paulo

 

[Aesopian]

This is far from 'Inside Info' but after chatting to a couple Wabbitoh diehards this morning that I've known for sometime through work, the JAC to souffs rumour surprises them.

They reckon the club is putting pressure on the Suaalii camp to make a decision. Playing it out in da media to see if they bite.
And the fanbase isn't too keen on losing any of the mentioned players including Gagai & Roberts because they're popular with the playing group and love it at souffs.

The impression they're getting is that JAC could cause a divide amongst the ranks because the young guys who've stepped up this season should be rewarded with extensions rather than made to feel surplus to requirements. Plus they don't reckon JAC is needed(what a luxury hey). But the kicker is the LM & CW connection. Their culture is clear and JAC would further it.

So, to sum up, they're hearing nothing from inside da club regarding JAC and feel it's a ploy to speeding up Suaalii negotiations. But if that falls through then the money put aside would be enough for JAC if Da Storms accept player compensations. They have good depth, so it wouldn't be an issue...

 

[earl]

Then look at what we have to offer…some people should really look at the real world and not the emotional dream they can sometimes let cloud their judgement…

I agree. I think he will sign with us because we have a lot to offer him. I think that we can get him just like we got Tamou.

If we don't though it's cool. We'll get another quality player or a couple of other quality players. Some young kid will develop into a weapon for us. The good thing is that there are plenty of quality rugby league players out there looking for the chances we can offer them.

I welcome your opinion Earl,but to be realistic,what are we offering him that other clubs wont except a bundle of cash to play FB .,,all I see us offering him is,to be closer to family,still work in the same employment and huge money in an untried position..

I agree if he doesnt come to us we can find some suitable players out there and we can also concentrate on developing younger guys that show talent and ability ...hopefully we keep them and they become the next Ted or Paps...

On a side note,I honestly think when the COE is completed it will be a huge benefit to the organisation as well all round...

The thing is that different people can view the same situation differently. It's an opinion. My opinion is that we offer JAC everything that he wants. A top club that his family have supported, the ability to be closer to his family, a chance to play fullback in an up and coming team, a top level coach and living in the harbour city in a beautiful part of Sydney.

Just to clarify I think we are a top club in the competition. We are much more of a clean cut club compared to other Sydney teams. Souths clearly have culture problems, the rorters are on the way down, Penrith are a western Sydney and not a glamour club.

Personally I don't think the COE will make a big difference. I think weights are weights.

 

[Telltails]

This is far from 'Inside Info' but after chatting to a couple Wabbitoh diehards this morning that I've known for sometime through work, the JAC to souffs rumour surprises them.

They reckon the club is putting pressure on the Suaalii camp to make a decision. Playing it out in da media to see if they bite.
And the fanbase isn't too keen on losing any of the mentioned players including Gagai & Roberts because they're popular with the playing group and love it at souffs.

The impression they're getting is that JAC could cause a divide amongst the ranks because the young guys who've stepped up this season should be rewarded with extensions rather than made to feel surplus to requirements. Plus they don't reckon JAC is needed(what a luxury hey). But the kicker is the LM & CW connection. Their culture is clear and JAC would further it.

So, to sum up, they're hearing nothing from inside da club regarding JAC and feel it's a ploy to speeding up Suaalii negotiations. But if that falls through then the money put aside would be enough for JAC if Da Storms accept player compensations. They have good depth, so it wouldn't be an issue...

No doubt they could get him but not sure he is what they need. Surplus to requirements - especially if they want to retain who they have got. Time will tell.

 

[cqtiger]

I love the hysteria on here, it's priceless.

Yep, you’d think that he was signed and sealed with us but somehow Souths got hold of the contract and tore it up.

 

[Needaname]

Problem with us playing hardball is that if Souths are willing to give someone to Melbourne he’ll head straight there. It’s a risky game Madge and co are playing, let’s wait and see if it works out.

Then that is how it works out, you can't fold all the time.

There’s more and more chatter about Souths stealing him. Roberts could be on the way out but I think that rumour only came from a suggestion from someone on the radio? No idea how true. Seen someone say tigers will get Cory Allan Instead too. We can’t afford to miss out on JAC

This is what annoys me. I’ve had my eye on Corey Allan ever since he played in the Primeministers 13. Yet we have since persisted with 3 options at Fullback and are chasing a winger to cover the position.

 

[Bob]

He is contracted to storm for next year they want somebody, it would have been nice if they could have kept Momorovski

I think if they wanted to take on talau or someone similar on a loan arrangement that’s understandable, everything I’ve read has been they have wanted him on a more permanent basis.

 

[jirskyr]

I agree with Willow, fair bit of hysteria and people thinking JAC is going to make the difference for Tigers between 2020 and 2021.

I was watching Tottenham flog Man U yesterday and it's interesting a parellel, the commentators talking about Man U fans desperate to sign new players because their current side wasn't getting the job done. One of the fellows said, paraphrasing: "all the fan talk is about bringing in big-name talent from all over Europe, but the reality is Man U aren't in that signing position any more, they don't have the clout or the money to be constantly revising the roster. The reality is, Man U need to find out how to get better performances out of the roster they currently have."

Same deal in this thread. JAC would be nice sure, but we always have to remember we are not a consistently successful side, nor do we have any famous or big-money owners, and therefore we go into all negotiations at a disadvantage to other clubs.

The primary concern for Tigers right now is setting a stable platform for the coach(es) to continue to develop the ability of the roster we have, then value-add players that are available.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

I think that for any player that wants to join our club from somewhere else they ask some of the following questions?

Are we a team that will Play finals? - No
Whats the culture like? - Benji was shafted/Leaks
Do we have good training facilities - No/Another Year
What is the coach and performance team like? - Hard Nosed
How does my contract $ and term stack up - Cap tight
How does the Media portray us - Non supportive

So we seem to attract players from other teams (Tamou) that want to play longer in the NRL.
In reality if there a quality 1st grader that's great as they instill knowledge and dedication, but there is a balance.

We attract younger players that are looking for an opportunity to play regular 1st grade - Grant / Utoikamanu, Blore, Kepaoa.

So based upon these facts until we get the earlier points in order i don't think we are going to attract players with solid 1st grade experience like JAC now, unless we throw a stack of cash at them and generally as prior signings (Mybe/Reynolds/Packer) they are not on the field or when they are don't warrant what we are paying them.

For now coming into 2021 rather than spending, lets be conservative have a stash fund to upgrade players that perform, i would not mind having $335k set aside as performance bonuses for some of the younger players (Its what the NRL penalized us anyway) so when it comes to retaining them as we tend to lose players to richer clubs.

I think that we need a JAC type player (Speed/Skill/Experience) but unsure we will attract anyone till 2022.


I think that that is a reasonable summary. A key difference with JAC though is that he has been here before and has had a first hand experience with the club and the culture that was here at the time (hopefully improved). I would be surprised if he comes but it would be a massive vote of confidence of he does.

I would be surprised as well, i think i put in a prior post that JAC when he was here back in 2016 there are only 4 players still remaining from then.
Brooks, Nofo, Chee Kam, Alioia - Shows we have had a compete roster revamp in 4 years and more to come.

 

[Harvey]

Sick of being a laughing stock. Give him a deadline and if no contract is signed, move on.

 

[Tiger5150]

Sick of being a laughing stock. Give him a deadline and if no contract is signed, move on.

Who is laughing at us? Why are they laughing at us? How would a deadline fix anything?