JAC

[the_third]

What would you guys think about "loaning" Nofoaluma for 2021 to Melbourne for JAC? This way if he is still on our payroll, we can claim the concession down the track, Nofoaluma will definitely come back an even better player and we get JAC

Nofo can go there full-time for JAC. They're not in the same class.

The only people who think Nofo is in the same galaxy as JAC are WT supporters.

It's not about comparing them, it's wanting both. No point having JAC on one wing and a Jennings on the other. A combination of Nofo and JAC is what we want, and if we can pull it off like that that's what we should be aiming for.

Good on our management.

And RE Talau, you'll probably be the same people complaining about why we let him go in a few years ala Paps. He is VERY young and inexperienced, if the Storm really do want him (and its just a rumour as far as I know) that says a lot about him and his potential.

Again, if we can get JAC without caving in and giving someone in return - good management.

Let it play out.

Storm will give in they don't want a disgruntled JAC next year

What makes you think that? I think the exact opposite. Sorry JAC couldn’t find a replacement, you’ll have to stay and honour your contract.

It's what a decent club should do. Why would they budge? Exactly my feelings about us with Matterson, and Parra then made the smart decision and didn't release our prop to us early either. Why would you? They have contracts. Just because we cave in again and again, doesn't mean other clubs are dumb enough to do so.

What makes you think Melbourne is a decent club? That’s not what I would call Melbourne.

Decent: of an acceptable standard; satisfactory.

Yep, they smash that out of the water.

In the press conference with Bellamy they mentioned that this is 5 top 2 finishes in a row.

Outstanding! But people wanting to deride their achievements due to cap cheating years ago don't see it. But turn an eye to our cap cheating . funny

Let's get this straight - we did not cap cheat.

Everybody new what we were doing, we were not hiding anything - it was widely reported.

We did however not advise the NRL. It was NOT cheating.

Poor form to suggest we were in my opinion.

Aahhh, we did.

Of course we did. Hence the penalty and the de-registration of JP.


We were penalised on a technicality. Melbourne systematically cheated with 2 sets of books. Huge difference.

he didn't even take the job. massive penalty for an admin error

 

[the_third]

How long does 48 hours take?

about a year

 

[NT_Tiger]

How long does 48 hours take?


about a year

Oh, OK. I thought it was a randomly generated period depending on Souths celery cap and other variables.

 

[the_third]

How long does 48 hours take?


about a year

Oh, OK. I thought it was a randomly generated period depending on Souths celery cap and other variables.

lettuce see what happens

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

I don't understand how can some fans on this forum, sentence some of our players to live under the Victorian dictatorship :angry:
To make it vorse, for an indefinite period!
It is not a surprise JAC (and probably a few others) want to take azil in any other state, preferably NSW!

 

[mike]

What would you guys think about "loaning" Nofoaluma for 2021 to Melbourne for JAC? This way if he is still on our payroll, we can claim the concession down the track, Nofoaluma will definitely come back an even better player and we get JAC

Nofo can go there full-time for JAC. They're not in the same class.

The only people who think Nofo is in the same galaxy as JAC are WT supporters.

It's not about comparing them, it's wanting both. No point having JAC on one wing and a Jennings on the other. A combination of Nofo and JAC is what we want, and if we can pull it off like that that's what we should be aiming for.

Good on our management.

And RE Talau, you'll probably be the same people complaining about why we let him go in a few years ala Paps. He is VERY young and inexperienced, if the Storm really do want him (and its just a rumour as far as I know) that says a lot about him and his potential.

Again, if we can get JAC without caving in and giving someone in return - good management.

Let it play out.

Storm will give in they don't want a disgruntled JAC next year

What makes you think that? I think the exact opposite. Sorry JAC couldn’t find a replacement, you’ll have to stay and honour your contract.

It's what a decent club should do. Why would they budge? Exactly my feelings about us with Matterson, and Parra then made the smart decision and didn't release our prop to us early either. Why would you? They have contracts. Just because we cave in again and again, doesn't mean other clubs are dumb enough to do so.

What makes you think Melbourne is a decent club? That’s not what I would call Melbourne.

Decent: of an acceptable standard; satisfactory.

Yep, they smash that out of the water.

In the press conference with Bellamy they mentioned that this is 5 top 2 finishes in a row.

Outstanding! But people wanting to deride their achievements due to cap cheating years ago don't see it. But turn an eye to our cap cheating . funny

Let's get this straight - we did not cap cheat.

Everybody new what we were doing, we were not hiding anything - it was widely reported.

We did however not advise the NRL. It was NOT cheating.

Poor form to suggest we were in my opinion.

Aahhh, we did.

Of course we did. Hence the penalty and the de-registration of JP.

I disagree, I say we did not cheat. We made a bad administration error, which the NRL said could have been manipulated, hence was against their rules, hence the penalty.

It could have been used to cheat, hence why they penalised us, but there was no proof I ever read that it was us actually cheating and getting an advantage from it, or trying to get an advantage from it.

By the letter of the (NRL) law did we cheat, yes. By the definition of the word, most definitely not. We stood to gain no benefit whatsoever. I'd hesitate to use the word cheat too, even when describing the NRL's perspective. Rather we simply overlooked the process and did the wrong thing.

If there is no advantage or gain to any party it would be very difficult to call it cheating. An error yes, but cheating no.

 

[JC99]

Well if Melbourne don’t get something sorted this week we will have to wait until seasons end or longer. That’s what their CEO is saying at least, I’m not holding my breath on it being done anytime soon

 

[Snake]

Melbourne are prepared to entertain another 12-month loan deal to fast-track Josh Addo-Carr's move back to Sydney.

As Addo-Carr lined up against his likely future employer on the Sunshine Coast on Saturday evening, The Sun-Herald can reveal the Storm have warmed to the idea of finding a short-term fix to replace the "Fox", rather than hold out hope for a like-for-like replacement.

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NRL boss Peter V'landys has confirmed larger crowds will be allowed for the upcoming finals.
The Storm have already made it clear they will not release Addo-Carr from the final year of his deal unless they are able to sign a suitable replacement. The talent available for next season is scarce, but improves dramatically in 2022.

Popular Wests Tigers winger David Nofoaluma is at the top of the Storm's wish list, even though Tigers coach Michael Maguire has already gone on record about having no interest in releasing one of his stars.
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"No chance – there's no way in the world that Dave's leaving," Maguire said earlier this month.

There is nothing stopping Nofoaluma playing for the Storm next year and then returning to the Tigers in 2022 when the club will have freed up plenty of salary cap space with the departures of Josh Reynolds and Russell Packer.

Josh Addo-Carr wants to move back to Sydney in 2021.
Josh Addo-Carr wants to move back to Sydney in 2021.CREDIT:GETTY
Penrith's Brent Naden is another player who has been discussed by Storm officials. Naden, however, would be seen as a longer-term prospect as a centre or winger.

There has already been contact between Naden's management and the Storm. The youngster is off-contract at the end of next year and any move would give Penrith the freedom to re-sign off-contract outside back Charlie Staines.

That is freaky, I suggested this last night without looking at this article

Kepaoa could switch to the right for the year.

Kepaoa isn’t a winger.

We would be nuts to say no to Talau, Kepaoa, Mbye , Momo and BJ leaving for JAC with expectations it isn’t a year loan either. None of these offer us speed not just in attack but in defense as well.

Noffa & AD should be off limits.

I get it’s a year loan then long term deal but Melb own the cards here. If he goes to another club they will keep him long term, no club will give up a good replacement without keeping him longer term.

I agree, he's a centre and he is quick. In saying that, he can score.

Nofoaluma isnlt off limits. He got shown up badly by JAC for pace.

To be honest, anyone in the comp would have been shown up badly by JAC.

Wasn't Nofoaluma being talked up as an SOO aspirant?

By who?

?you have to be able to tackle in Origin what a beat up!!

 

[WT2K]

Well if Melbourne don’t get something sorted this week we will have to wait until seasons end or longer. That’s what their CEO is saying at least, I’m not holding my breath on it being done anytime soon

Wouldn't be expecting anything until after origin

 

[Geo]

Melbourne are prepared to entertain another 12-month loan deal to fast-track Josh Addo-Carr's move back to Sydney.

As Addo-Carr lined up against his likely future employer on the Sunshine Coast on Saturday evening, The Sun-Herald can reveal the Storm have warmed to the idea of finding a short-term fix to replace the "Fox", rather than hold out hope for a like-for-like replacement.

Play Video


V'landys confirms larger crowds for NRL finals
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5:04
V'landys confirms larger crowds for NRL finals

NRL boss Peter V'landys has confirmed larger crowds will be allowed for the upcoming finals.
The Storm have already made it clear they will not release Addo-Carr from the final year of his deal unless they are able to sign a suitable replacement. The talent available for next season is scarce, but improves dramatically in 2022.

Popular Wests Tigers winger David Nofoaluma is at the top of the Storm's wish list, even though Tigers coach Michael Maguire has already gone on record about having no interest in releasing one of his stars.
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"No chance – there's no way in the world that Dave's leaving," Maguire said earlier this month.

There is nothing stopping Nofoaluma playing for the Storm next year and then returning to the Tigers in 2022 when the club will have freed up plenty of salary cap space with the departures of Josh Reynolds and Russell Packer.

Josh Addo-Carr wants to move back to Sydney in 2021.
Josh Addo-Carr wants to move back to Sydney in 2021.CREDIT:GETTY
Penrith's Brent Naden is another player who has been discussed by Storm officials. Naden, however, would be seen as a longer-term prospect as a centre or winger.

There has already been contact between Naden's management and the Storm. The youngster is off-contract at the end of next year and any move would give Penrith the freedom to re-sign off-contract outside back Charlie Staines.

That is freaky, I suggested this last night without looking at this article

Kepaoa could switch to the right for the year.

Kepaoa isn’t a winger.

We would be nuts to say no to Talau, Kepaoa, Mbye , Momo and BJ leaving for JAC with expectations it isn’t a year loan either. None of these offer us speed not just in attack but in defense as well.

Noffa & AD should be off limits.

I get it’s a year loan then long term deal but Melb own the cards here. If he goes to another club they will keep him long term, no club will give up a good replacement without keeping him longer term.

I agree, he's a centre and he is quick. In saying that, he can score.

Nofoaluma isnlt off limits. He got shown up badly by JAC for pace.

To be honest, anyone in the comp would have been shown up badly by JAC.

Wasn't Nofoaluma being talked up as an SOO aspirant?

By who?



?you have to be able to tackle in Origin what a beat up!!

How does Furgo get picked..?

 

[Snake]

Melbourne are prepared to entertain another 12-month loan deal to fast-track Josh Addo-Carr's move back to Sydney.

As Addo-Carr lined up against his likely future employer on the Sunshine Coast on Saturday evening, The Sun-Herald can reveal the Storm have warmed to the idea of finding a short-term fix to replace the "Fox", rather than hold out hope for a like-for-like replacement.

Play Video


V'landys confirms larger crowds for NRL finals
Play video
5:04
V'landys confirms larger crowds for NRL finals

NRL boss Peter V'landys has confirmed larger crowds will be allowed for the upcoming finals.
The Storm have already made it clear they will not release Addo-Carr from the final year of his deal unless they are able to sign a suitable replacement. The talent available for next season is scarce, but improves dramatically in 2022.

Popular Wests Tigers winger David Nofoaluma is at the top of the Storm's wish list, even though Tigers coach Michael Maguire has already gone on record about having no interest in releasing one of his stars.
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"No chance – there's no way in the world that Dave's leaving," Maguire said earlier this month.

There is nothing stopping Nofoaluma playing for the Storm next year and then returning to the Tigers in 2022 when the club will have freed up plenty of salary cap space with the departures of Josh Reynolds and Russell Packer.

Josh Addo-Carr wants to move back to Sydney in 2021.
Josh Addo-Carr wants to move back to Sydney in 2021.CREDIT:GETTY
Penrith's Brent Naden is another player who has been discussed by Storm officials. Naden, however, would be seen as a longer-term prospect as a centre or winger.

There has already been contact between Naden's management and the Storm. The youngster is off-contract at the end of next year and any move would give Penrith the freedom to re-sign off-contract outside back Charlie Staines.

That is freaky, I suggested this last night without looking at this article

Kepaoa could switch to the right for the year.

Kepaoa isn’t a winger.

We would be nuts to say no to Talau, Kepaoa, Mbye , Momo and BJ leaving for JAC with expectations it isn’t a year loan either. None of these offer us speed not just in attack but in defense as well.

Noffa & AD should be off limits.

I get it’s a year loan then long term deal but Melb own the cards here. If he goes to another club they will keep him long term, no club will give up a good replacement without keeping him longer term.

I agree, he's a centre and he is quick. In saying that, he can score.

Nofoaluma isnlt off limits. He got shown up badly by JAC for pace.

To be honest, anyone in the comp would have been shown up badly by JAC.

Wasn't Nofoaluma being talked up as an SOO aspirant?

By who?



?you have to be able to tackle in Origin what a beat up!!

How does Furgo get picked..?

No answer for that one but agree.

 

[TonyTiger]

I don't understand how can some fans on this forum, sentence some of our players to live under the Victorian dictatorship :angry:
To make it vorse, for an indefinite period!
It is not a surprise JAC (and probably a few others) want to take azil in any other state, preferably NSW!

Wow, as if Benji didn't have enough issues. Some fool is using @InBenjiWeTrust to put forward the idea that Dan Andrews is a dictator. In my humble opinion, he (Dan) is the epitome of a strong and effective leader. Something Benji, despite his rare flashes of brilliance, never was.

And, I think Maguire will be the same as Dan. Keep fronting up and beig honest and forthright about what needs to happen to improve things.

Sco Mo is the pig pushing his agenda (behind the scene) against Dan Andrews... I hope the sharks get knocked out early - couldn’t stand watching Sci Mo doing his ‘Dance Of The Baby Elephants’ impersonation if the sharks advance in the finals.

 

[cochise]

What would you guys think about "loaning" Nofoaluma for 2021 to Melbourne for JAC? This way if he is still on our payroll, we can claim the concession down the track, Nofoaluma will definitely come back an even better player and we get JAC

Nofo can go there full-time for JAC. They're not in the same class.

The only people who think Nofo is in the same galaxy as JAC are WT supporters.

It's not about comparing them, it's wanting both. No point having JAC on one wing and a Jennings on the other. A combination of Nofo and JAC is what we want, and if we can pull it off like that that's what we should be aiming for.

Good on our management.

And RE Talau, you'll probably be the same people complaining about why we let him go in a few years ala Paps. He is VERY young and inexperienced, if the Storm really do want him (and its just a rumour as far as I know) that says a lot about him and his potential.

Again, if we can get JAC without caving in and giving someone in return - good management.

Let it play out.

Storm will give in they don't want a disgruntled JAC next year

What makes you think that? I think the exact opposite. Sorry JAC couldn’t find a replacement, you’ll have to stay and honour your contract.

It's what a decent club should do. Why would they budge? Exactly my feelings about us with Matterson, and Parra then made the smart decision and didn't release our prop to us early either. Why would you? They have contracts. Just because we cave in again and again, doesn't mean other clubs are dumb enough to do so.

What makes you think Melbourne is a decent club? That’s not what I would call Melbourne.

Decent: of an acceptable standard; satisfactory.

Yep, they smash that out of the water.

In the press conference with Bellamy they mentioned that this is 5 top 2 finishes in a row.

Outstanding! But people wanting to deride their achievements due to cap cheating years ago don't see it. But turn an eye to our cap cheating . funny

Let's get this straight - we did not cap cheat.

Everybody new what we were doing, we were not hiding anything - it was widely reported.

We did however not advise the NRL. It was NOT cheating.

Poor form to suggest we were in my opinion.

Aahhh, we did.

Of course we did. Hence the penalty and the de-registration of JP.

I disagree, I say we did not cheat. We made a bad administration error, which the NRL said could have been manipulated, hence was against their rules, hence the penalty.

It could have been used to cheat, hence why they penalised us, but there was no proof I ever read that it was us actually cheating and getting an advantage from it, or trying to get an advantage from it.

By the letter of the (NRL) law did we cheat, yes. By the definition of the word, most definitely not. We stood to gain no benefit whatsoever. I'd hesitate to use the word cheat too, even when describing the NRL's perspective. Rather we simply overlooked the process and did the wrong thing.

If there is no advantage or gain to any party it would be very difficult to call it cheating. An error yes, but cheating no.

An inducement to leave is an advantage, he also came back 18 months later, so someone could argue the inducment was to return to the club.

 

[hsvjones]

If I was Storm I would want it sorted ASAP so they get a focused JAC wanting to finish his storm career on a high and not be worrying about future.

 

[izotope]

Well if Melbourne don’t get something sorted this week we will have to wait until seasons end or longer. That’s what their CEO is saying at least, I’m not holding my breath on it being done anytime soon

At least we might finally have some good news in october

 

[mike]

What would you guys think about "loaning" Nofoaluma for 2021 to Melbourne for JAC? This way if he is still on our payroll, we can claim the concession down the track, Nofoaluma will definitely come back an even better player and we get JAC

Nofo can go there full-time for JAC. They're not in the same class.

The only people who think Nofo is in the same galaxy as JAC are WT supporters.

It's not about comparing them, it's wanting both. No point having JAC on one wing and a Jennings on the other. A combination of Nofo and JAC is what we want, and if we can pull it off like that that's what we should be aiming for.

Good on our management.

And RE Talau, you'll probably be the same people complaining about why we let him go in a few years ala Paps. He is VERY young and inexperienced, if the Storm really do want him (and its just a rumour as far as I know) that says a lot about him and his potential.

Again, if we can get JAC without caving in and giving someone in return - good management.

Let it play out.

Storm will give in they don't want a disgruntled JAC next year

What makes you think that? I think the exact opposite. Sorry JAC couldn’t find a replacement, you’ll have to stay and honour your contract.

It's what a decent club should do. Why would they budge? Exactly my feelings about us with Matterson, and Parra then made the smart decision and didn't release our prop to us early either. Why would you? They have contracts. Just because we cave in again and again, doesn't mean other clubs are dumb enough to do so.

What makes you think Melbourne is a decent club? That’s not what I would call Melbourne.

Decent: of an acceptable standard; satisfactory.

Yep, they smash that out of the water.

In the press conference with Bellamy they mentioned that this is 5 top 2 finishes in a row.

Outstanding! But people wanting to deride their achievements due to cap cheating years ago don't see it. But turn an eye to our cap cheating . funny

Let's get this straight - we did not cap cheat.

Everybody new what we were doing, we were not hiding anything - it was widely reported.

We did however not advise the NRL. It was NOT cheating.

Poor form to suggest we were in my opinion.

Aahhh, we did.

Of course we did. Hence the penalty and the de-registration of JP.

I disagree, I say we did not cheat. We made a bad administration error, which the NRL said could have been manipulated, hence was against their rules, hence the penalty.

It could have been used to cheat, hence why they penalised us, but there was no proof I ever read that it was us actually cheating and getting an advantage from it, or trying to get an advantage from it.

By the letter of the (NRL) law did we cheat, yes. By the definition of the word, most definitely not. We stood to gain no benefit whatsoever. I'd hesitate to use the word cheat too, even when describing the NRL's perspective. Rather we simply overlooked the process and did the wrong thing.

If there is no advantage or gain to any party it would be very difficult to call it cheating. An error yes, but cheating no.

An inducement to leave is an advantage, he also came back 18 months later, so someone could argue the inducment was to return to the club.

Fair enough but really all they did was they failed to fill out form 1534J Section 3 Subsection 4. It was an error.

 

[cochise]

What would you guys think about "loaning" Nofoaluma for 2021 to Melbourne for JAC? This way if he is still on our payroll, we can claim the concession down the track, Nofoaluma will definitely come back an even better player and we get JAC

Nofo can go there full-time for JAC. They're not in the same class.

The only people who think Nofo is in the same galaxy as JAC are WT supporters.

It's not about comparing them, it's wanting both. No point having JAC on one wing and a Jennings on the other. A combination of Nofo and JAC is what we want, and if we can pull it off like that that's what we should be aiming for.

Good on our management.

And RE Talau, you'll probably be the same people complaining about why we let him go in a few years ala Paps. He is VERY young and inexperienced, if the Storm really do want him (and its just a rumour as far as I know) that says a lot about him and his potential.

Again, if we can get JAC without caving in and giving someone in return - good management.

Let it play out.

Storm will give in they don't want a disgruntled JAC next year

What makes you think that? I think the exact opposite. Sorry JAC couldn’t find a replacement, you’ll have to stay and honour your contract.

It's what a decent club should do. Why would they budge? Exactly my feelings about us with Matterson, and Parra then made the smart decision and didn't release our prop to us early either. Why would you? They have contracts. Just because we cave in again and again, doesn't mean other clubs are dumb enough to do so.

What makes you think Melbourne is a decent club? That’s not what I would call Melbourne.

Decent: of an acceptable standard; satisfactory.

Yep, they smash that out of the water.

In the press conference with Bellamy they mentioned that this is 5 top 2 finishes in a row.

Outstanding! But people wanting to deride their achievements due to cap cheating years ago don't see it. But turn an eye to our cap cheating . funny

Let's get this straight - we did not cap cheat.

Everybody new what we were doing, we were not hiding anything - it was widely reported.

We did however not advise the NRL. It was NOT cheating.

Poor form to suggest we were in my opinion.

Aahhh, we did.

Of course we did. Hence the penalty and the de-registration of JP.

I disagree, I say we did not cheat. We made a bad administration error, which the NRL said could have been manipulated, hence was against their rules, hence the penalty.

It could have been used to cheat, hence why they penalised us, but there was no proof I ever read that it was us actually cheating and getting an advantage from it, or trying to get an advantage from it.

By the letter of the (NRL) law did we cheat, yes. By the definition of the word, most definitely not. We stood to gain no benefit whatsoever. I'd hesitate to use the word cheat too, even when describing the NRL's perspective. Rather we simply overlooked the process and did the wrong thing.

If there is no advantage or gain to any party it would be very difficult to call it cheating. An error yes, but cheating no.

An inducement to leave is an advantage, he also came back 18 months later, so someone could argue the inducment was to return to the club.

Fair enough but really all they did was they failed to fill out form 1534J Section 3 Subsection 4. It was an error.

If for example the Roosters were in the same situation and offered a player on $950k a future job, that they didn't tell the NRL about, so he would leave, and then 18 months later he came back on a much reduced contract would you be ok with that?

I'm not saying that was what we were intending to do but from the outside looking in it can be argued that is how it appears and would set a precedence that other teams could take advantage of.

 

[mike]

What would you guys think about "loaning" Nofoaluma for 2021 to Melbourne for JAC? This way if he is still on our payroll, we can claim the concession down the track, Nofoaluma will definitely come back an even better player and we get JAC

Nofo can go there full-time for JAC. They're not in the same class.

The only people who think Nofo is in the same galaxy as JAC are WT supporters.

It's not about comparing them, it's wanting both. No point having JAC on one wing and a Jennings on the other. A combination of Nofo and JAC is what we want, and if we can pull it off like that that's what we should be aiming for.

Good on our management.

And RE Talau, you'll probably be the same people complaining about why we let him go in a few years ala Paps. He is VERY young and inexperienced, if the Storm really do want him (and its just a rumour as far as I know) that says a lot about him and his potential.

Again, if we can get JAC without caving in and giving someone in return - good management.

Let it play out.

Storm will give in they don't want a disgruntled JAC next year

What makes you think that? I think the exact opposite. Sorry JAC couldn’t find a replacement, you’ll have to stay and honour your contract.

It's what a decent club should do. Why would they budge? Exactly my feelings about us with Matterson, and Parra then made the smart decision and didn't release our prop to us early either. Why would you? They have contracts. Just because we cave in again and again, doesn't mean other clubs are dumb enough to do so.

What makes you think Melbourne is a decent club? That’s not what I would call Melbourne.

Decent: of an acceptable standard; satisfactory.

Yep, they smash that out of the water.

In the press conference with Bellamy they mentioned that this is 5 top 2 finishes in a row.

Outstanding! But people wanting to deride their achievements due to cap cheating years ago don't see it. But turn an eye to our cap cheating . funny

Let's get this straight - we did not cap cheat.

Everybody new what we were doing, we were not hiding anything - it was widely reported.

We did however not advise the NRL. It was NOT cheating.

Poor form to suggest we were in my opinion.

Aahhh, we did.

Of course we did. Hence the penalty and the de-registration of JP.

I disagree, I say we did not cheat. We made a bad administration error, which the NRL said could have been manipulated, hence was against their rules, hence the penalty.

It could have been used to cheat, hence why they penalised us, but there was no proof I ever read that it was us actually cheating and getting an advantage from it, or trying to get an advantage from it.

By the letter of the (NRL) law did we cheat, yes. By the definition of the word, most definitely not. We stood to gain no benefit whatsoever. I'd hesitate to use the word cheat too, even when describing the NRL's perspective. Rather we simply overlooked the process and did the wrong thing.

If there is no advantage or gain to any party it would be very difficult to call it cheating. An error yes, but cheating no.

An inducement to leave is an advantage, he also came back 18 months later, so someone could argue the inducment was to return to the club.

Fair enough but really all they did was they failed to fill out form 1534J Section 3 Subsection 4. It was an error.

If for example the Roosters were in the same situation and offered a player on $950k a future job, that they didn't tell the NRL about, so he would leave, and then 18 months later he came back on a much reduced contract would you be ok with that?

I'm not saying that was what we were intending to do but from the outside looking in it can be argued that is how it appears and would set a precedence that other teams could take advantage of.

Everyone knew, they were not trying to hide it. The NRL, Turdberg in particular, got their noses out of joint because we didn’t file the correct paperwork. It was a ridiculous fine/punishment for a very minor error. No one was trying to cheat anyone.

 

[cochise]

What would you guys think about "loaning" Nofoaluma for 2021 to Melbourne for JAC? This way if he is still on our payroll, we can claim the concession down the track, Nofoaluma will definitely come back an even better player and we get JAC

Nofo can go there full-time for JAC. They're not in the same class.

The only people who think Nofo is in the same galaxy as JAC are WT supporters.

It's not about comparing them, it's wanting both. No point having JAC on one wing and a Jennings on the other. A combination of Nofo and JAC is what we want, and if we can pull it off like that that's what we should be aiming for.

Good on our management.

And RE Talau, you'll probably be the same people complaining about why we let him go in a few years ala Paps. He is VERY young and inexperienced, if the Storm really do want him (and its just a rumour as far as I know) that says a lot about him and his potential.

Again, if we can get JAC without caving in and giving someone in return - good management.

Let it play out.

Storm will give in they don't want a disgruntled JAC next year

What makes you think that? I think the exact opposite. Sorry JAC couldn’t find a replacement, you’ll have to stay and honour your contract.

It's what a decent club should do. Why would they budge? Exactly my feelings about us with Matterson, and Parra then made the smart decision and didn't release our prop to us early either. Why would you? They have contracts. Just because we cave in again and again, doesn't mean other clubs are dumb enough to do so.

What makes you think Melbourne is a decent club? That’s not what I would call Melbourne.

Decent: of an acceptable standard; satisfactory.

Yep, they smash that out of the water.

In the press conference with Bellamy they mentioned that this is 5 top 2 finishes in a row.

Outstanding! But people wanting to deride their achievements due to cap cheating years ago don't see it. But turn an eye to our cap cheating . funny

Let's get this straight - we did not cap cheat.

Everybody new what we were doing, we were not hiding anything - it was widely reported.

We did however not advise the NRL. It was NOT cheating.

Poor form to suggest we were in my opinion.

Aahhh, we did.

Of course we did. Hence the penalty and the de-registration of JP.

I disagree, I say we did not cheat. We made a bad administration error, which the NRL said could have been manipulated, hence was against their rules, hence the penalty.

It could have been used to cheat, hence why they penalised us, but there was no proof I ever read that it was us actually cheating and getting an advantage from it, or trying to get an advantage from it.

By the letter of the (NRL) law did we cheat, yes. By the definition of the word, most definitely not. We stood to gain no benefit whatsoever. I'd hesitate to use the word cheat too, even when describing the NRL's perspective. Rather we simply overlooked the process and did the wrong thing.

If there is no advantage or gain to any party it would be very difficult to call it cheating. An error yes, but cheating no.

An inducement to leave is an advantage, he also came back 18 months later, so someone could argue the inducment was to return to the club.

Fair enough but really all they did was they failed to fill out form 1534J Section 3 Subsection 4. It was an error.

If for example the Roosters were in the same situation and offered a player on $950k a future job, that they didn't tell the NRL about, so he would leave, and then 18 months later he came back on a much reduced contract would you be ok with that?

I'm not saying that was what we were intending to do but from the outside looking in it can be argued that is how it appears and would set a precedence that other teams could take advantage of.

Everyone knew, they were not trying to hide it. The NRL, Turdberg in particular, got their noses out of joint because we didn’t file the correct paperwork. It was a ridiculous fine/punishment for a very minor error. No one was trying to cheat anyone.

There is a reason the NRL wants to know as it is an area to be exploited. The rules are simple to follow, we didn't follow them and then we asked for compensation for Farah being disruptive despite the fact we had an offer for him to return.