JAC

[Tiger5150]

Take this points system dribble elsewhere

It doesn't have to be a points system
A market value would be fare
And this would only need to be used when a player is looking at changing clubs not being re signed at his existing club

Would last five minutes in court if the Players Union (or someone willing to payroll) challenged it. Clear restraint of trade.

 

[supercoach]

I remember when LM was looking for a new home, all sorts of figures were flying in the media. He eventually signed on at Souths for $600k.

$600k on the table.

Yep

It’s funny how a lot of souths players end up signing for unders after a trip to Rustys farm

Well if you think about it
If a player receives a sum of money from someone he is not playing for, how can it be included in the cap
Eg
A person receives $500,000 on Monday, call it appearance money as a guest to a Farm to talk about cow dung
That person signs a contract on Wednesday to play for souths
Well that Person legitimately earned that money outside of football
Maybe a relative spoke about their knowledge of cow dung

That’s why the salary cap is useless. There are a 101 ways to rort the system. Teams like Souths and the Chooks who have some very wealthy people in their corner have no problems assembling star studded rosters without having cap problems.
Anyway been done this track a million times but we need a new system, like a point system

Point systems are rubbish

You maybe right, but the system we have now is rubbish and we need to try something different. Anyway I guess this can all be debated another time

 

[Cairnstigers]

Take this points system dribble elsewhere

It doesn't have to be a points system
A market value would be fare
And this would only need to be used when a player is looking at changing clubs not being re signed at his existing club

Would last five minutes in court if the Players Union (or someone willing to payroll) challenged it. Clear restraint of trade.

Can a $9.4 million cap be thought of as a restraint of trade ?
Because the league has set that figure

What is JAC's value
$600,000 as an untried fullback?

A player has the right to earn as much as possible (we all know and understand that) and that is determined by what a club is willing to pay

Therefore the larger amount offered to a player should set a players value (not undervalued)
And that is the value that should be used and applied against the cap
Or
Think of it as $1 equals 1 point (like flybuys)
Each club has 9,400,000 points to spend
You can only get so much with your points

We can all find reasons for and against and argue till we are black and blue

But the simple thing is the current system of the cap is not working
It needs change

Thats my opinion and I am sure many others agree
The Nrl competition can be much better and this is one way of fixing it

 

[Curaeus]

As I understand it, we offered JAC top winger money with a guaranteed upgrade if he can consistently make the fullback spot his own. I'd imagine the Dogs would simply offer him fullback money upfront. .Got to be more appealing from the Fox's viewpoint. That said, still hope we can get him somehow.

 

[hobbo1]

As I understand it, we offered JAC top winger money with a guaranteed upgrade if he can consistently make the fullback spot his own. I'd imagine the Dogs would simply offer him fullback money upfront. .Got to be more appealing from the Fox's viewpoint. That said, still hope we can get him somehow.

I would’ve just given him 1 Million straight up .
Mbye is on $950k ....
What’s another $50k for a marquee signing ?

 

[hsvjones]

As I understand it, we offered JAC top winger money with a guaranteed upgrade if he can consistently make the fullback spot his own. I'd imagine the Dogs would simply offer him fullback money upfront. .Got to be more appealing from the Fox's viewpoint. That said, still hope we can get him somehow.

I would prefer us to maybe up 50-100k if it means we get him instead of losing him and regretting it. We will have Reynolds and Packer off our books in 1 year and Mybe the year after so need to spend on someone and he is a proven top line player..

 

[bradex]

100% correct

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

As I understand it, we offered JAC top winger money with a guaranteed upgrade if he can consistently make the fullback spot his own. I'd imagine the Dogs would simply offer him fullback money upfront. .Got to be more appealing from the Fox's viewpoint. That said, still hope we can get him somehow.

I would’ve just given him 1 Million straight up .
Mbye is on $950k ....
What’s another $50k for a marquee signing ?

You don't fix a mistake by making more mistakes, you have to start somewhere fixing the rot. Getting rid of Pascoe might help the situation too, he's the one who signed off on these ridiculous deals.

 

[hobbo1]

As I understand it, we offered JAC top winger money with a guaranteed upgrade if he can consistently make the fullback spot his own. I'd imagine the Dogs would simply offer him fullback money upfront. .Got to be more appealing from the Fox's viewpoint. That said, still hope we can get him somehow.

I would’ve just given him 1 Million straight up .
Mbye is on $950k ....
What’s another $50k for a marquee signing ?

You don't fix a mistake by making more mistakes, you have to start somewhere fixing the rot. Getting rid of Pascoe might help the situation too, he's the one who signed off on these ridiculous deals.

Yeah but ...Addo Carr isn’t in the same class as Cleary’s fab 3 signings ..
Agree on Pascoe

 

[Spud_Murphy]

I remember when LM was looking for a new home, all sorts of figures were flying in the media. He eventually signed on at Souths for $600k.

$600k on the table.

Yep

It’s funny how a lot of souths players end up signing for unders after a trip to Rustys farm

Well if you think about it
If a player receives a sum of money from someone he is not playing for, how can it be included in the cap
Eg
A person receives $500,000 on Monday, call it appearance money as a guest to a Farm to talk about cow dung
That person signs a contract on Wednesday to play for souths
Well that Person legitimately earned that money outside of football
Maybe a relative spoke about their knowledge of cow dung

That’s why the salary cap is useless. There are a 101 ways to rort the system. Teams like Souths and the Chooks who have some very wealthy people in their corner have no problems assembling star studded rosters without having cap problems.
Anyway been done this track a million times but we need a new system, like a point system

We have supposedly one of the wealthiest people in our corner also, but we still can’t assemble squat!

 

[hobbo1]

I remember when LM was looking for a new home, all sorts of figures were flying in the media. He eventually signed on at Souths for $600k.

$600k on the table.

Yep

It’s funny how a lot of souths players end up signing for unders after a trip to Rustys farm

Well if you think about it
If a player receives a sum of money from someone he is not playing for, how can it be included in the cap
Eg
A person receives $500,000 on Monday, call it appearance money as a guest to a Farm to talk about cow dung
That person signs a contract on Wednesday to play for souths
Well that Person legitimately earned that money outside of football
Maybe a relative spoke about their knowledge of cow dung

That’s why the salary cap is useless. There are a 101 ways to rort the system. Teams like Souths and the Chooks who have some very wealthy people in their corner have no problems assembling star studded rosters without having cap problems.
Anyway been done this track a million times but we need a new system, like a point system

We have supposedly one of the wealthiest people in our corner also, but we still can’t assemble squat!

Once Sheens was punted Harry went cold
They were mates ..

 

[cochise]

I remember when LM was looking for a new home, all sorts of figures were flying in the media. He eventually signed on at Souths for $600k.

$600k on the table.

Yep

It’s funny how a lot of souths players end up signing for unders after a trip to Rustys farm

Well if you think about it
If a player receives a sum of money from someone he is not playing for, how can it be included in the cap
Eg
A person receives $500,000 on Monday, call it appearance money as a guest to a Farm to talk about cow dung
That person signs a contract on Wednesday to play for souths
Well that Person legitimately earned that money outside of football
Maybe a relative spoke about their knowledge of cow dung

That’s why the salary cap is useless. There are a 101 ways to rort the system. Teams like Souths and the Chooks who have some very wealthy people in their corner have no problems assembling star studded rosters without having cap problems.
Anyway been done this track a million times but we need a new system, like a point system

We have supposedly one of the wealthiest people in our corner also, but we still can’t assemble squat!

Once Sheens was punted Harry went cold
They were mates ..

He is still here.

 

[Joel Helmes]

Harry T still helps the club 😉

I remember when LM was looking for a new home, all sorts of figures were flying in the media. He eventually signed on at Souths for $600k.

$600k on the table.

Yep

It’s funny how a lot of souths players end up signing for unders after a trip to Rustys farm

Well if you think about it
If a player receives a sum of money from someone he is not playing for, how can it be included in the cap
Eg
A person receives $500,000 on Monday, call it appearance money as a guest to a Farm to talk about cow dung
That person signs a contract on Wednesday to play for souths
Well that Person legitimately earned that money outside of football
Maybe a relative spoke about their knowledge of cow dung

That’s why the salary cap is useless. There are a 101 ways to rort the system. Teams like Souths and the Chooks who have some very wealthy people in their corner have no problems assembling star studded rosters without having cap problems.
Anyway been done this track a million times but we need a new system, like a point system

We have supposedly one of the wealthiest people in our corner also, but we still can’t assemble squat!

Once Sheens was punted Harry went cold
They were mates ..

 

[NT_Tiger]

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but.

If JAC is like his friend and good mate Dogshot Mitchell, then JAC has got no problems with Mitchell's playing us like chumps last year, and JAC would then have no trouble in playing us like chumps now.

But maybe JAC is the better man. Maybe he saw the way his friend acted, and knowing about Mitchell's advisors and family and responsibilities, he thought Mitchell did the best he could. And now JAC himself will show him how to stand up and treat people with respect.

Or maybe JAC knows his window of opportunity in this game is limited, and he knows now is the moment he is at his best and this is his best opportunity to set himself up for his whole life.

I hope we joins us and becomes an even better player.

The thing is our perception of the truth is filtered by media crap. Mitchell didn’t play us at all. We approached him, had a conversation, realised it was a non event and we moved on as did Mitchell. That’s what happened. I don’t know much but I know that to be true. Everything else was garbage written by media fools. I didn’t know this at the tome and was beside myself with stress!
The lesson learned was that we cannot take ANY comfort or angst from what the media spin. It’s all crap.
Maybe JAC will sign, maybe he won’t, maybe it’s already done. I don’t know.
What I’m becoming more confident in is that we are conducting ourselves professionally in attempting to recruit good players. It’s hard because our infield performances have been poor for years. Chicken and egg!
Personally I’m not confident we’ll get JAC but like nearly all of us (despite what some egos would have you believe) I really have no idea

I'm hoping we get him. Hope being the primary word.

"Abandon all hope, ye who enter here." Dante

 

[hobbo1]

Harry T still helps the club 😉

I remember when LM was looking for a new home, all sorts of figures were flying in the media. He eventually signed on at Souths for $600k.

$600k on the table.

Yep

It’s funny how a lot of souths players end up signing for unders after a trip to Rustys farm

Well if you think about it
If a player receives a sum of money from someone he is not playing for, how can it be included in the cap
Eg
A person receives $500,000 on Monday, call it appearance money as a guest to a Farm to talk about cow dung
That person signs a contract on Wednesday to play for souths
Well that Person legitimately earned that money outside of football
Maybe a relative spoke about their knowledge of cow dung

That’s why the salary cap is useless. There are a 101 ways to rort the system. Teams like Souths and the Chooks who have some very wealthy people in their corner have no problems assembling star studded rosters without having cap problems.
Anyway been done this track a million times but we need a new system, like a point system

We have supposedly one of the wealthiest people in our corner also, but we still can’t assemble squat!

Once Sheens was punted Harry went cold
They were mates ..

He should be building Wests Tigers a new stadium!

 

[NT_Tiger]

Take this points system dribble elsewhere

It doesn't have to be a points system
A market value would be fare
And this would only need to be used when a player is looking at changing clubs not being re signed at his existing club

I have said it many times before
If a player is worth an average of $1,000,000 on the open market, then that is what should and must come off the clubs cap that signs him
That club can pay him $200,000 for all I care
But his market value must come off the allocated cap
That is the only way that we will achieve a fair and even competition
You can not rort a system like that
It stops clubs from stacking talent which is the cause of a lop sided competition

Too east to manipulate.

Is this a Freudian slip?

 

[851]

Take this points system dribble elsewhere

It doesn't have to be a points system
A market value would be fare
And this would only need to be used when a player is looking at changing clubs not being re signed at his existing club

I have said it many times before
If a player is worth an average of $1,000,000 on the open market, then that is what should and must come off the clubs cap that signs him
That club can pay him $200,000 for all I care
But his market value must come off the allocated cap
That is the only way that we will achieve a fair and even competition
You can not rort a system like that
It stops clubs from stacking talent which is the cause of a lop sided competition

Too east to manipulate.

Is this a Freudian slip?

More like a fact

 

[Russell]

Harry T still helps the club 😉

I remember when LM was looking for a new home, all sorts of figures were flying in the media. He eventually signed on at Souths for $600k.

$600k on the table.

Yep

It’s funny how a lot of souths players end up signing for unders after a trip to Rustys farm

Well if you think about it
If a player receives a sum of money from someone he is not playing for, how can it be included in the cap
Eg
A person receives $500,000 on Monday, call it appearance money as a guest to a Farm to talk about cow dung
That person signs a contract on Wednesday to play for souths
Well that Person legitimately earned that money outside of football
Maybe a relative spoke about their knowledge of cow dung

That’s why the salary cap is useless. There are a 101 ways to rort the system. Teams like Souths and the Chooks who have some very wealthy people in their corner have no problems assembling star studded rosters without having cap problems.
Anyway been done this track a million times but we need a new system, like a point system

We have supposedly one of the wealthiest people in our corner also, but we still can’t assemble squat!

Once Sheens was punted Harry went cold
They were mates ..

He should be building Wests Tigers a new stadium!

He could have built the Club at Rozelle too, he wasn't asked unfortunately.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

we went with Benny rather than Merriton besides if harry built a stadium it would have been at Leichhardt Oval probably

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Harry T still helps the club 😉

I remember when LM was looking for a new home, all sorts of figures were flying in the media. He eventually signed on at Souths for $600k.

$600k on the table.

Yep

It’s funny how a lot of souths players end up signing for unders after a trip to Rustys farm

Well if you think about it
If a player receives a sum of money from someone he is not playing for, how can it be included in the cap
Eg
A person receives $500,000 on Monday, call it appearance money as a guest to a Farm to talk about cow dung
That person signs a contract on Wednesday to play for souths
Well that Person legitimately earned that money outside of football
Maybe a relative spoke about their knowledge of cow dung

That’s why the salary cap is useless. There are a 101 ways to rort the system. Teams like Souths and the Chooks who have some very wealthy people in their corner have no problems assembling star studded rosters without having cap problems.
Anyway been done this track a million times but we need a new system, like a point system

We have supposedly one of the wealthiest people in our corner also, but we still can’t assemble squat!

Once Sheens was punted Harry went cold
They were mates ..

Where are all our big name signings then?