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@hsvjones said in [JAC](/post/1258238) said:
@InMadgeWeTrust said in [JAC](/post/1258230) said:
@Telltails said in [JAC](/post/1257975) said:
Offering Melbourne a player doesn't guarantee JAC's signature anyway. If South's want him and he wants to go there us giving a player to Melbourne is idiotic. They either release him to play on compassionate grounds or they don't.

Spot on.

we would not give a player up unless he agreed to come to us and no one else.. I know we have done some stupid stuff in the past but no way this would happen....

I agree with that and I’m sure that would never happen.

I’m more referring to the situation where Melbourne are trying to play both sides of the fence as long as possible.

Have they agreed to release him or not? If they don’t get their “like for like” player will they refuse his release? Of course not. He’s been granted a release regardless.

So this player swap thing is Melb banking on the fact JAC is a marquee player and they think they can ply clubs against each other and get something out of it. Fair enough and good business (something we should have done with Matterson).
 
@hsvjones said in [JAC](/post/1258225) said:
@TigerWest said in [JAC](/post/1258179) said:
Our chairman has us believing again, damn the man?

https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=753464

Thanks mate...
Just listened to it and he is such a professional and great for our club. Sure made me feel a little better and have fingers crossed.. Sounds like we are waiting on Storm to make up there mind but i think all there focus is on Smith and Belly at the moment and rightly so..
He sounded confident regarding the contract stuff or Heads of Agreement.
I just want this to be over so we can all move on..

Well he said he has worked for the law firm for about 30yrs so I'd assume he knows whats expected in these sort of situations. If it backfires on us well...
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1258182) said:
@TigerWest said in [JAC](/post/1258179) said:
Our chairman has us believing again, damn the man?

https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=753464

Good on him. Demonstrate passion for the Club. Full marks from me.

Would love him to wear the CEO hat as well as Chair...sign up Lee
 
@fibrodreaming said in [JAC](/post/1258130) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1258070) said:
These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.
 
@Strongee said in [JAC](/post/1258259) said:
@fibrodreaming said in [JAC](/post/1258130) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1258070) said:
These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.


I think Larry Corowa would have been successful in the modern game, dare I say it similar to JAC. Larry was FAST but also a pretty big guy, tall, long legs. MOdern training etc etc.
 
@Tiger5150 said in [JAC](/post/1258260) said:
@Strongee said in [JAC](/post/1258259) said:
@fibrodreaming said in [JAC](/post/1258130) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1258070) said:
These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.


I think Larry Corowa would have been successful in the modern game, dare I say it similar to JAC. Larry was FAST but also a pretty big guy, tall, long legs. MOdern training etc etc.

I’m not saying guys from the past wouldn’t make it today , but just that guys from today , are Infinitely superior athletes to the ones from the past due to Evolution of training , strength and conditioning, skills etc. To quote our beloved A-a -Ron, it is what it is .
 
@TigerWest said in [JAC](/post/1258210) said:
@Fish88 said in [JAC](/post/1258207) said:
I have heard our chairman Lee speak a few times and each time I am impressed. He seems extremely passionate but also realistic and very business smart. Seems to command a good level of respect as well. Fingers crossed he is all over JAC contract ?

I thought his comments were interesting on a "heads of agreement" or what ever people want to call them, are legally binding.

I’ve personally seen them unenforceable in court. But it wasn’t against lee... fingers crossed he’s got this one nailed.

In saying that if JAC stays at the storm we are millions to sign him
 
@Strongee said in [JAC](/post/1258259) said:
@fibrodreaming said in [JAC](/post/1258130) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1258070) said:
These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.
 
So by the sound of it the only way to get out of the agreement with us is to stay at Melb in 2021.
Unfortunately this could have prompted the recent I’ll stay at Melb talks.
Up to Melb now to release or not.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1258339) said:
@Strongee said in [JAC](/post/1258259) said:
@fibrodreaming said in [JAC](/post/1258130) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1258070) said:
These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

Mate , that’s absolute rubbish ! The difference between 80s players and the ones today is astronomical. If your saying same skill, same era . Then who knows , but the advancements in technology and training full time alone , would make the gulf insurmountable
 
@Strongee said in [JAC](/post/1258350) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1258339) said:
@Strongee said in [JAC](/post/1258259) said:
@fibrodreaming said in [JAC](/post/1258130) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1258070) said:
These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

Mate , that’s absolute rubbish ! The difference between 80s players and the ones today is astronomical. If your saying same skill, same era . Then who knows , but the advancements in technology and training full time alone , would make the gulf insurmountable

You forget, these players were far better athletes than Nofoaluma. All tall, all lightning quick and knowing how to read defence. These are capabilities Nofoaluma doesn't have in his kit bag. Remember there were no DVDs to tell you what to do, no robotic wingers,
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1258353) said:
@Strongee said in [JAC](/post/1258350) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1258339) said:
@Strongee said in [JAC](/post/1258259) said:
@fibrodreaming said in [JAC](/post/1258130) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1258070) said:
These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

Mate , that’s absolute rubbish ! The difference between 80s players and the ones today is astronomical. If your saying same skill, same era . Then who knows , but the advancements in technology and training full time alone , would make the gulf insurmountable

You forget, these players were far better athletes than Nofoaluma. All tall, all lightning quick and knowing how to read defence. These are capabilities Nofoaluma doesn't have in his kit bag. Remember there were no DVDs to tell you what to do, no robotic wingers,

I don’t forget at all . The reality is if you went into any of these clubs and had a look at all the metrics that would quantify who was a superior athlete , the difference between any athletic 70s player and 1 from current a NRL squad wouldn’t even be close . From strength to speed to agility to vertical leap , lateral movement . The only thing that may be close is sprint speed over 100m . But.most clubs don’t even look to develop that. It’s about over 10m and 40m.
 
I wonder when Storm start pre-season training? And will it be back in Melbourne? This is when things will heat up I think, when the reality hits for JAC that he has to leave the family again.
 
@Strongee said in [JAC](/post/1258358) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1258353) said:
@Strongee said in [JAC](/post/1258350) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1258339) said:
@Strongee said in [JAC](/post/1258259) said:
@fibrodreaming said in [JAC](/post/1258130) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1258070) said:
These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

Mate , that’s absolute rubbish ! The difference between 80s players and the ones today is astronomical. If your saying same skill, same era . Then who knows , but the advancements in technology and training full time alone , would make the gulf insurmountable

You forget, these players were far better athletes than Nofoaluma. All tall, all lightning quick and knowing how to read defence. These are capabilities Nofoaluma doesn't have in his kit bag. Remember there were no DVDs to tell you what to do, no robotic wingers,

I don’t forget at all . The reality is if you went into any of these clubs and had a look at all the metrics that would quantify who was a superior athlete , the difference between any athletic 70s player and 1 from current a NRL squad wouldn’t even be close . From strength to speed to agility to vertical leap , lateral movement . The only thing that may be close is sprint speed over 100m . But.most clubs don’t even look to develop that. It’s about over 10m and 40m.

Yes there were no modern training methods. Many drank and smoked on game day or at half time. But, the players I mentioned were superior athletes. Irvine was one of the finest of all time. His name lives on, see if Nofoaluma's does in 30 years.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1258375) said:
@Strongee said in [JAC](/post/1258358) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1258353) said:
@Strongee said in [JAC](/post/1258350) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1258339) said:
@Strongee said in [JAC](/post/1258259) said:
@fibrodreaming said in [JAC](/post/1258130) said:
@pawsandclaws1 said in [JAC](/post/1258070) said:
These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

Mate , that’s absolute rubbish ! The difference between 80s players and the ones today is astronomical. If your saying same skill, same era . Then who knows , but the advancements in technology and training full time alone , would make the gulf insurmountable

You forget, these players were far better athletes than Nofoaluma. All tall, all lightning quick and knowing how to read defence. These are capabilities Nofoaluma doesn't have in his kit bag. Remember there were no DVDs to tell you what to do, no robotic wingers,

I don’t forget at all . The reality is if you went into any of these clubs and had a look at all the metrics that would quantify who was a superior athlete , the difference between any athletic 70s player and 1 from current a NRL squad wouldn’t even be close . From strength to speed to agility to vertical leap , lateral movement . The only thing that may be close is sprint speed over 100m . But.most clubs don’t even look to develop that. It’s about over 10m and 40m.

Yes there were no modern training methods. Many drank and smoked on game day or at half time. But, the players I mentioned were superior athletes. Irvine was one of the finest of all time. His name lives on, see if Nofoaluma's does in 30 years.

That’s got nothing to do with anything . It’s basic science and evolution of sport . But yea a fast player from the 50s and 60s is a superior athlete to today , because he ran faster than everyone.

The eye test shows everything . Like I said watch games from 70s 80s 90s 00s 10s to day and you will notice the evolution of the athlete .
Nofoaluma is a superior athlete to any previous generation , mainly because he’s from the current generation and benefits from that .
All the rest is noise, rubbish and nostalgia , not bearing The remotest resemblance of fact .
 
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