JAC

[TrueTiger]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.


I think Larry Corowa would have been successful in the modern game, dare I say it similar to JAC. Larry was FAST but also a pretty big guy, tall, long legs. MOdern training etc etc.

I’m not saying guys from the past wouldn’t make it today , but just that guys from today , are Infinitely superior athletes to the ones from the past due to Evolution of training , strength and conditioning, skills etc. To quote our beloved A-a -Ron, it is what it is .

Let me pull you up on your scenario for a second mate,in the old days that you refer to and how they played compared to the game today,it came down to the players having jobs as well as playing footy..today their job is playing footy full time...big difference to what they had back then..these days they have all the facilities and assistance they need to get their JOB done...it was a sport for the people back then and the players had to earn money with jobs so they could support the families..these days the sport is their job to support their families...

 

[happy_tiger]

Who's telling porkys - JAC when asked if he signed a HOA, said NO.

Exactly Russ ......someone is full of it

 

[tigerap]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

How about David Grant?

 

[happy_tiger]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

How about David Grant?

Ross Conlan would have torn up Nofa ....Luke Covell as well

 

[mike]

JAC watch: Day 76

 

[pawsandclaws1]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

How about David Grant?

Is that your attempt at humour?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

How about David Grant?

Ross Conlan would have torn up Nofa ....Luke Covell as well

Is that Qld humour?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

Mate , that’s absolute rubbish ! The difference between 80s players and the ones today is astronomical. If your saying same skill, same era . Then who knows , but the advancements in technology and training full time alone , would make the gulf insurmountable

You forget, these players were far better athletes than Nofoaluma. All tall, all lightning quick and knowing how to read defence. These are capabilities Nofoaluma doesn't have in his kit bag. Remember there were no DVDs to tell you what to do, no robotic wingers,

I don’t forget at all . The reality is if you went into any of these clubs and had a look at all the metrics that would quantify who was a superior athlete , the difference between any athletic 70s player and 1 from current a NRL squad wouldn’t even be close . From strength to speed to agility to vertical leap , lateral movement . The only thing that may be close is sprint speed over 100m . But.most clubs don’t even look to develop that. It’s about over 10m and 40m.

Yes there were no modern training methods. Many drank and smoked on game day or at half time. But, the players I mentioned were superior athletes. Irvine was one of the finest of all time. His name lives on, see if Nofoaluma's does in 30 years.

That’s got nothing to do with anything . It’s basic science and evolution of sport . But yea a fast player from the 50s and 60s is a superior athlete to today , because he ran faster than everyone.

The eye test shows everything . Like I said watch games from 70s 80s 90s 00s 10s to day and you will notice the evolution of the athlete .
Nofoaluma is a superior athlete to any previous generation , mainly because he’s from the current generation and benefits from that .
All the rest is noise, rubbish and nostalgia , not bearing The remotest resemblance of fact .

Irvine, Gasnier, Langlands, Boustead, Corowa, Etinghausen all backs who will be remembered as being outstanding. All superior athletes and footballers.. There is no shame in it, it is reality.

 

[the_third]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

How about David Grant?

Ross Conlan would have torn up Nofa ....Luke Covell as well

Lyou must be drinking...Ross Conlon couldn’t tear a paper bag (unless he was kicking for goal)

 

[Deleted member 3518]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.


I think Larry Corowa would have been successful in the modern game, dare I say it similar to JAC. Larry was FAST but also a pretty big guy, tall, long legs. MOdern training etc etc.

I’m not saying guys from the past wouldn’t make it today , but just that guys from today , are Infinitely superior athletes to the ones from the past due to Evolution of training , strength and conditioning, skills etc. To quote our beloved A-a -Ron, it is what it is .

Let me pull you up on your scenario for a second mate,in the old days that you refer to and how they played compared to the game today,it came down to the players having jobs as well as playing footy..today their job is playing footy full time...big difference to what they had back then..these days they have all the facilities and assistance they need to get their JOB done...it was a sport for the people back then and the players had to earn money with jobs so they could support the families..these days the sport is their job to support their families...

Yea , I don’t understand how that’s relevant to me argueing that any elite athlete from 2020 is going to be vastly superior to any previous generation athlete , just mainly due to evolution of sports science . I’m not saying there weren’t genetic freaks previously , or that there wasn’t amazing athletes for thier time ,simply what I’ve said ten times .

 

[Deleted member 3518]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

Mate , that’s absolute rubbish ! The difference between 80s players and the ones today is astronomical. If your saying same skill, same era . Then who knows , but the advancements in technology and training full time alone , would make the gulf insurmountable

You forget, these players were far better athletes than Nofoaluma. All tall, all lightning quick and knowing how to read defence. These are capabilities Nofoaluma doesn't have in his kit bag. Remember there were no DVDs to tell you what to do, no robotic wingers,

I don’t forget at all . The reality is if you went into any of these clubs and had a look at all the metrics that would quantify who was a superior athlete , the difference between any athletic 70s player and 1 from current a NRL squad wouldn’t even be close . From strength to speed to agility to vertical leap , lateral movement . The only thing that may be close is sprint speed over 100m . But.most clubs don’t even look to develop that. It’s about over 10m and 40m.

Yes there were no modern training methods. Many drank and smoked on game day or at half time. But, the players I mentioned were superior athletes. Irvine was one of the finest of all time. His name lives on, see if Nofoaluma's does in 30 years.

That’s got nothing to do with anything . It’s basic science and evolution of sport . But yea a fast player from the 50s and 60s is a superior athlete to today , because he ran faster than everyone.

The eye test shows everything . Like I said watch games from 70s 80s 90s 00s 10s to day and you will notice the evolution of the athlete .
Nofoaluma is a superior athlete to any previous generation , mainly because he’s from the current generation and benefits from that .
All the rest is noise, rubbish and nostalgia , not bearing The remotest resemblance of fact .

Irvine, Gasnier, Langlands, Boustead, Corowa, Etinghausen all backs who will be remembered as being outstanding. All superior athletes and footballers.. There is no shame in it, it is reality.

I don’t understand what’s so hard about the fact , that the greatest athletes of all time , if your put them in a time machine , and had them compete today , would get absolutely hammered . Not because they’re not amazing freaks of nature , but because the kids today eat ,sleep , training and sports science .
Eg. The 1500m swim . Kieran Perkins was so good nobody would get anywhere near his 14. 49 I think was the time . Then grant hacket comes along and swims a 14.35 or something like that.
It was unheard of . Now in today’s racing if your not swimming 14.35 as a base time , you’re probably not even making the final .
It is the evolution of sport . I shouldn’t have had to explain this .
It seems fairly obvious to me .

 

[twentyforty]

JAC was very good for the blues. What a wonderful player he is. Great anticipation. Always looking to make the most of what limited opportunities presented. Always looking to create an opportunity.

 

[JC99]

JAC was very good for the blues. What a wonderful player he is. Great anticipation. Always looking to make the most of what limited opportunities presented. Always looking to create an opportunity.

Was easily their best outside back. One of the best for NSW overall really. Showed he’s more than ‘just speed’ with his little chip and chase too (even though he’s showed plenty of that this season)

 

[twentyforty]

JAC was very good for the blues. What a wonderful player he is. Great anticipation. Always looking to make the most of what limited opportunities presented. Always looking to create an opportunity.

Was easily their best outside back. One of the best for NSW overall really. Showed he’s more than ‘just speed’ with his little chip and chase too (even though he’s showed plenty of that this season)

I thought Addo-Carr ‘s defence was a stand out. I can see him taking his game to another level as a FB and pressuring Tedesco for his rep job.

 

[JC99]

JAC was very good for the blues. What a wonderful player he is. Great anticipation. Always looking to make the most of what limited opportunities presented. Always looking to create an opportunity.

Was easily their best outside back. One of the best for NSW overall really. Showed he’s more than ‘just speed’ with his little chip and chase too (even though he’s showed plenty of that this season)


I thought Addo-Carr ‘s defence was a stand out. I can see him taking his game to another level as a FB and pressuring Tedesco for his rep job.

It’s something that’s improved massively being at Melbourne. His decision making in defence is very Good and he made some real solid contact. Attack wise he’ll kill it at fullback, it’ll just come down to organising the defensive line and his positioning

 

[TonyTiger]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

How about David Grant?

David Grant was my hero as a kid - what a hit man, would leave these modern day pussies for dead!

 

[diedpretty]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.


I think Larry Corowa would have been successful in the modern game, dare I say it similar to JAC. Larry was FAST but also a pretty big guy, tall, long legs. MOdern training etc etc.

I’m not saying guys from the past wouldn’t make it today , but just that guys from today , are Infinitely superior athletes to the ones from the past due to Evolution of training , strength and conditioning, skills etc. To quote our beloved A-a -Ron, it is what it is .

Let me pull you up on your scenario for a second mate,in the old days that you refer to and how they played compared to the game today,it came down to the players having jobs as well as playing footy..today their job is playing footy full time...big difference to what they had back then..these days they have all the facilities and assistance they need to get their JOB done...it was a sport for the people back then and the players had to earn money with jobs so they could support the families..these days the sport is their job to support their families...

Yea , I don’t understand how that’s relevant to me argueing that any elite athlete from 2020 is going to be vastly superior to any previous generation athlete , just mainly due to evolution of sports science . I’m not saying there weren’t genetic freaks previously , or that there wasn’t amazing athletes for thier time ,simply what I’ve said ten times .

Its a stupid argument really - of course you are right if you compare athletes of today with those of yesteryears. The argument would be if those past players had the same resources as todays players would they be stars in todays game - the answer is an obvious yes.

 

[fibrodreaming]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

You have gone way beyond the point I was trying to make !

I wasn't talking about the skills, size and fitness of the players today. I agree that the old timers wouldn't cope with the modern game. That's not the issue. I was simply talking about the pace of the wingers of the old timers.

For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you .

Not true about nostalgia. We don't know if they are faster over shorter distances as you claim. We can; however, make an objective comparison with regard to pace over a longer distance.

Someone posted that JAC had clocked 10.6 sec and Paps 11.1 sec over a 100 metres in SOO training. They are two of the fastest in the NRL currently.

I was simply making the point that Irvine and Cleary, who played 60 years ago, were faster. That's all. The both ran 100 yards in 9.3 seconds (as part time footballers). That would translate to around 10.17 seconds for 100 metres.

Ten years ago someone organised a sprint for Rugby players observed by Usain Bolt. Lachie Turner from the Waratahs won the sprint in 11.1 seconds, edging out Jarryd Hayne and John Grant from Rugby. The rest of the field from the NRL were miles behind.

We are talking objective measurements here, not nostalgia. It is an objective fact that the fastest players playing for Australia 60 years ago (Irvine and Cleary both played on the wing for Australia) are faster than the players playing today.

 

[twentyforty]

Surely you guys aren’t trying to compare anyone to Irvine. He was like a Porsche, reached his top speed in a blink. Rugby Leagues greatest try scorer ever. Why he isn’t an immortal is bewildering.

 

[happy_tiger]

These so called ‘dirt hitups’ are a blight on rugby league. Wingers are being de-skilled. Give me a winger any day with the pace to be put into the clear and sprint 60 or. 70 metres to score. If you don’t have genuine pace you have no business being on the wing.

I agree. I speculated in an earlier post regarding Ken Irvine that as wingers have got bigger and stronger they have been sacrificing some pace in order to make the "dirty hit-ups".

Ken Irvine was only 5ft 8in and 78 kilos. He won a professional spring race over 100 yards in 9.3 seconds. Coincidentally Mike Cleary, who played for Souths in the 1960s, won a bronze in the Perth Commonwealth Games 100 yards timed at 9.3 seconds also.

It's hard to believe that with all the improvements in sports science and training methods over the past 60 years, no-one would get close to them today.

So I agree. The game is less of a spectacle with wingers doing the work of forwards, but most lacking the blistering pace of the old timers.

Dude ,that’s not true. It just seems it because they’re absolutely huge now. For the most part a lot of these guys are faster over shorter distances ,they just die really quickly .
I think the nostalgia fairy has sprinkled its dust on you . I watched games recently from the 80s , 90s , 00s early 10s and today .
And whilst the older games , had much more “action “, the general skill level was well below today’s game . It was extremely noticeable. From the way they pass , to offloading the ball with 2 hands , to the ball always hitting the deck , knock backs being actually called knock backs , so it lead to the call on the deck much more often .
The reality is , the wests tigers , would play the Aus team of the 90s and 80s , full of all those legends , and they would put 50 on them .
Just simple things like scooping the ball ip with 1 hand , no look passes , Backline plays , today are so crisp , they are played virtually at the defensive line . I watched the raiders of the 90s and all their moves were so predictable , and they played a lot of early ball. Long , slow build up . Hugely exciting innovative for the time . But not in 2020. The sheer size and power and speed of the average player is noticeable . People say guys like Nofa are slow . If he played back then he’d be the starting winger for the Aus team.

Larry Corowa, Russell Gartner and David Michael would all have carved up Nofoaluma. No doubt quite a few others.

How about David Grant?

Ross Conlan would have torn up Nofa ....Luke Covell as well

Is that Qld humour?

Some of the names were ridiculous ... thought I might as well drop it to a new low Paws ....did Qld win last night ????