JAC

[tiger05premier]

If it really is because he is backing himself to get 800k next year than surely it won't be at rabbit's

Maybe dog's

But with LM Reynolds Walker Murray Cook Arrow surely no more room for 800k players

Wouldn't we only have MM and Brooks on decent coin next year so would have a good chance

But he still somehow end up at rabbit's

 

[TigerWest]

If it really is because he is backing himself to get 800k next year than surely it won't be at rabbit's

Maybe dog's

But with LM Reynolds Walker Murray Cook Arrow surely no more room for 800k players

Wouldn't we only have MM and Brooks on decent coin next year so would have a good chance

But he still somehow end up at rabbit's

If it’s only for money (and it should be) we will be cashed up and be able to accommodate him next year, if we still wish to.

 

[tiga4eva]

The guy is one of the first picked for NSW and is a current Test player. We have seen what a fullback who possesses blistering speed can do even without being a ball player (Papenhuyzen) and we offered $600k. And wonder why we didn’t land him. What a monumental waste of time.

 

[TigerWest]

The guy is one of the first picked for NSW and is a current Test player. We have seen what a fullback who possesses blistering speed can do even without being a ball player (Papenhuyzen) and we offered $600k. And wonder why we didn’t land him. What a monumental waste of time.

I don’t believe the Storm have offered that amount?

But I do agree if we wanted him, we should have brought him.

 

[diedpretty]

Is that the club putting a positive spin on it? Like “He was going to come, but it’s Melbourne’s fault for not releasing him”. That angle falls flat when you just announce his signing for 2022 first.

No it's stating the facts. Why sign with us for 2022 before fully testing his market value. His manager would know a lot of clubs are going to have a fair bit of money available for then. It is pretty obvious there will be a bidding war for his services and I don't expect us to even come close. While being a smart move on his part if he has asked Melb. to refuse the release it also shows him up to be a liar with little ethics.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

It’s playing out like exactly like last year. Miss out on LM, and BJ was the consolation prize. This year. miss out on JAC and get Mansour as the consolation prize.

 

[diedpretty]

the HOA presumably then kicks in and he signs with us

That's not how a heads of agreement works. It's totally non binding - it's just a recognition of points on which two parties are agreed. Like, say, "if everything else works out on this move we agree to pay rent of X for Y years". There's nothing enforceable about it - it just establishes that negotiations have progressed to the point where certain key terms have been agreed.

Judging by the way this HOA seems to have concerned the competition (I think the Dogs were one of these) it may have more legal teeth than you would find in a normal HOA. I know what HOA's are and how they normally operate having spent several years working with contracts, HOA's and every variation thereof

And if so it will be the first and only time a club gets to use it. No manager or player will go near a HOA after this episode. Having said that I'm glad that the club didn't back down on pressure from Melb for a swap and also for holding firm on the HOA which has obviously put the wind up JAC and a few clubs who thought they could just waltz in over the top. You can bet your bottom dollar a few clubs would have had their legal eagles perusing the document before JACs decision to stay in Melb.

 

[ATown]

They can’t control backflips. Don’t believe this Storm not releasing him thing for one second. JAC has 100% backflipped and I would stake my life that he’ll be at South’s in 2022.

Your life? That's a rather big call.

Yeah you’re right. I’ll bet JAC’s life on it.

 

[diedpretty]

A bit of damage control happening for JAC. Melbourne looking after him - and pretty sure they are more than happy to keep for another year sore toe and all.

They're a bloody strong club from the office down. WT should learn massively from them.

We've learnt plenty don't you worry

That's exactly why JAC is spending another year in Melb

And as for his family meaning so much to him?

Well I won't go there

You reckon, we fill our roster or use the money on someone else, souths leave a spot open, Storm say you can go now, we have no room or money left, , HOA is null and void, souths sign him for 2021

Not really. We keep a spot available which we can do just like sounds, we hold back 350k which if he is released mid season would be all that was needed. And we keep hammering home the fact that we havehave the spot and the money available should he be released.

 

[Red88_Tiger]

My take
Singled hoa to not really knowing it’s enforceable but knowing that the club would be expected to honour it.

Lee in media to make them stop and realise what they signed and stop shopping around.

Jac states that he would be happy to stay in Melbourne after gf. Melbourne hang on to this driving it home knowing that he believes he is hamstrung by tigers

Cue
Tigers to finalise cap and roster for 21.
Souths or dogs to swoop in and save the day so he can move back to Sydney when family really does become more important

 

[diedpretty]

This appears to me that.

a) Josh wanted to move back to Sydney. Melbourne really really did not want to lose him because he is a very good player for them and it would be bad business to just let the best winger in the game walk.
b) Josh proceeded to demonstrate said quality for the entire time since this whole saga began, just making Melbourne even more reluctant to let him walk.
c) The Tigers won the contract. They literally were the only club in the running and there was an agreement signed specifically to ensure that it was legally above board.
d) Since the signing of the HOA everything has been about negotiating a release with Melbourne. Melbourne trying to get compensation for the best winger in the NRL. The literal only way they ever do this as good business is to get David Nofoaluma's contract, the current Dally M winger of the year.
e) The Wests Tigers chose to keep David because he's also really good, wants to be here, supplies no drama and we need to show loyalty to that. Also he probably didn't want to move to Melbourne.
f) Melbourne decided to make one last attempt to bury the issue after seeing him absolutely tear up in Origin and gave him a pay bump to just put it off one year. Addo Carr's advisors tell him that there's probably no other option if Melbourne won't release him, so he accepts.

If this is how it played out. Then i fail to see how our club did anything wrong or what everyone is whining about.

What evidence is there to suggest that this isn't hat happened?

The one thing that makes me think this more Melb.s doing is the fact that we appear to have an enforceable HOA that would either tie him to this club or be used in negotiations. If Melb had said we will release but JAC told us there was no way he was going to play with us and will stay in Melb so he can go wherever he wants in 2022 why wouldn't we say to him if you don't want to be here we can look at using the HOA as a negotiation tool with the club you want to go to. I don't see why if he bluntly refused to come here why we wouldn't use the HOA to negotiate.

 

[Furious1]

JAC May have helped us get into the 8 which obviously starts to have a cumulative effect on players starting to want to play at your club. The cheaper option for making the 8 is to get a decent goal kicker. We would without doubt have played semi finals 3 or 4 times in the last decade with one.

 

[CarltonDry]

Don’t see us offering burton as much as bulldogs. He looked alright but he’s not worth $500k a season already.

We don’t need a half .... we need a fullback and a back row and/or a lock.

We might need a half if brooks and Doueihi don’t work out. We really do need a second rower and id get josh McGuire to play lock seems like Brisbane are happy to release him.

Brayden Trindall would be worth a look, but in saying that we have so many young halves coming through that if in fact one or the other don't work out, we should have it sorted in our own backyard within the next few years.

I always liked the way he plays. He's leaving the Sharks. Big body, great defender and a clever half.

Has a bit of a reputation off the field but has talent

 

[diedpretty]

I guess it’s not a total failure if we get Laurie and Mansour for the price of JAC.

If you get Old Man Mansour it is.

If they unload Mansour on us, he'd want to be the dressing on a Burton and Staines package. We lack pace so Mansour is the solution?

We should at least be telling them we want him subsidised next year and an early release of Laurie.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I guess it’s not a total failure if we get Laurie and Mansour for the price of JAC.

If you get Old Man Mansour it is.

If they unload Mansour on us, he'd want to be the dressing on a Burton and Staines package. We lack pace so Mansour is the solution?

We should at least be telling them we want him subsidised next year and an early release of Laurie.

Far more than that! They've got cap issues, we're the solution but to take a snail like Mansour you would want at least Staines or Burton on a platter plus Laurie. I cannot see Laurie playing any part in 2021 as he is too small. The club now has an issue to come up with genuine pace for our backline.

 

[NT_Tiger]

It’s playing out like exactly like last year. Miss out on LM, and BJ was the consolation prize. This year. miss out on JAC and get Mansour as the consolation prize.

I dont see Mansour as a prize.

 

[innsaneink]

Seriously, this forum has either been infiltrated or some people have turned into complete tools. All this 'i had lunch with pascoe' or " i mixed it in the chairmans lounge with important people" just makes you look a complete flog.

Growing problem with the forum, a lot of little hints here and all hot air since clearly some in management don't know what is happening day to day.

It is sad that people got their hopes up because of this nonsense when it was absolutely clear from early on that he didn't want to come here. People are blinded by their love of the club and fail to make sound judgements about what the elite players think. It is too much effort to write a proper analysis of this but we are run by people who don't understand the game they are in as well as the competition. We are played by the media, player managers and opposition clubs. We aren't the only bad club, but we definitely aren't a good one.

My only hope for the next 3 years is the football department's investment in gun juniors, at least it is a clear plan that we are executing.

Three years eh?

There's always the next year.... or two.... or three.... ?

Awesome

 

[CarltonDry]

This appears to me that.

a) Josh wanted to move back to Sydney. Melbourne really really did not want to lose him because he is a very good player for them and it would be bad business to just let the best winger in the game walk.
b) Josh proceeded to demonstrate said quality for the entire time since this whole saga began, just making Melbourne even more reluctant to let him walk.
c) The Tigers won the contract. They literally were the only club in the running and there was an agreement signed specifically to ensure that it was legally above board.
d) Since the signing of the HOA everything has been about negotiating a release with Melbourne. Melbourne trying to get compensation for the best winger in the NRL. The literal only way they ever do this as good business is to get David Nofoaluma's contract, the current Dally M winger of the year.
e) The Wests Tigers chose to keep David because he's also really good, wants to be here, supplies no drama and we need to show loyalty to that. Also he probably didn't want to move to Melbourne.
f) Melbourne decided to make one last attempt to bury the issue after seeing him absolutely tear up in Origin and gave him a pay bump to just put it off one year. Addo Carr's advisors tell him that there's probably no other option if Melbourne won't release him, so he accepts.

If this is how it played out. Then i fail to see how our club did anything wrong or what everyone is whining about.

What evidence is there to suggest that this isn't hat happened?

The one thing that makes me think this more Melb.s doing is the fact that we appear to have an enforceable HOA that would either tie him to this club or be used in negotiations. If Melb had said we will release but JAC told us there was no way he was going to play with us and will stay in Melb so he can go wherever he wants in 2022 why wouldn't we say to him if you don't want to be here we can look at using the HOA as a negotiation tool with the club you want to go to. I don't see why if he bluntly refused to come here why we wouldn't use the HOA to negotiate.

I think using a HOA has damaged our future recruitment. Players/managers will avoid them like the plague which means they won't trust our club and it's legal team.
The NRL need to have a 2 week window mid season to sign players for the following season with a 1 month negotiation period prior to those 2 weeks.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

It’s playing out like exactly like last year. Miss out on LM, and BJ was the consolation prize. This year. miss out on JAC and get Mansour as the consolation prize.

I dont see Mansour as a prize.

Booby prizes!