JAC

[CarltonDry]

This appears to me that.

a) Josh wanted to move back to Sydney. Melbourne really really did not want to lose him because he is a very good player for them and it would be bad business to just let the best winger in the game walk.
b) Josh proceeded to demonstrate said quality for the entire time since this whole saga began, just making Melbourne even more reluctant to let him walk.
c) The Tigers won the contract. They literally were the only club in the running and there was an agreement signed specifically to ensure that it was legally above board.
d) Since the signing of the HOA everything has been about negotiating a release with Melbourne. Melbourne trying to get compensation for the best winger in the NRL. The literal only way they ever do this as good business is to get David Nofoaluma's contract, the current Dally M winger of the year.
e) The Wests Tigers chose to keep David because he's also really good, wants to be here, supplies no drama and we need to show loyalty to that. Also he probably didn't want to move to Melbourne.
f) Melbourne decided to make one last attempt to bury the issue after seeing him absolutely tear up in Origin and gave him a pay bump to just put it off one year. Addo Carr's advisors tell him that there's probably no other option if Melbourne won't release him, so he accepts.

If this is how it played out. Then i fail to see how our club did anything wrong or what everyone is whining about.

What evidence is there to suggest that this isn't hat happened?

The one thing that makes me think this more Melb.s doing is the fact that we appear to have an enforceable HOA that would either tie him to this club or be used in negotiations. If Melb had said we will release but JAC told us there was no way he was going to play with us and will stay in Melb so he can go wherever he wants in 2022 why wouldn't we say to him if you don't want to be here we can look at using the HOA as a negotiation tool with the club you want to go to. I don't see why if he bluntly refused to come here why we wouldn't use the HOA to negotiate.

I think using a HOA has damaged our future recruitment. Players/managers will avoid them like the plague which means they won't trust our club and it's legal team.
The NRL need to have a 2 week window mid season to sign players for the following season with a 1 month negotiation period prior to those 2 weeks.

Maybe players and managers will think twice about using our club as leveridge for themselves/clients when there is no intention in the first place.

The managers use us via the lamestream media.

 

[happy_tiger]

People are blinded by their love of the club and fail to make sound judgements about what the elite players think.

Oh, please do enlighten us about what elite players think and how you come to obtain this knowledge.

I have no special insight. Look at JAC and the sudden disappearance of his "compassionate grounds", look at Teddys exit (and near exit), look at Latrell. Look at scumbag Cleary. Maybe we draw different conclusions. What I see in the public domain is the club talks tough about contracts, deadlines etc.. which only works when the other party thinks you have the upper hand. We clearly don't since 0 big deals have been sealed.

I'm not clear what your point is?

I'll help ...all bark no bite

 

[Tim Sheens]

It’s playing out like exactly like last year. Miss out on LM, and BJ was the consolation prize. This year. miss out on JAC and get Mansour as the consolation prize.

I dont see Mansour as a prize.

Oh come on, Mansour would be the ultimate booby prize.

 

[TrueTiger]

I usually try to be nice but it literally blows my mind that some people can't see the direction the club is heading. We have literally signed most of the ousltstanding young talent coming up in both qld and nsw. We are recruiting youth not journey man. We are throwing our hat in the ring for some of the most dynamic young players in the game.
These have not happened for us in 10 years.

Stop thinking because we try and don't get its a failure. You can't force someone to play here but we are having a real shake.

Wow that's impressive... "MOST of the outstanding young talent"

Will they all make first grade, will they all get to 50, 100 NRL games?

I saw a bloke kill it on the origin stage the other night... Been winning games for his teams the last few years now

Sorry but some if us are sick to death of waiting waiting waiting we've been waiting for a decade

I really think we need a balance of experience and youth but it's pretty obvious we can't attract the elite experience can only attract those after an opportunity

Who will then get their butts out of here in a cloud of dust the microsecond something better comes along ...yet again I'm thinking it is better off for everyone involved this club rolls over and dies

Typical Gladstone type DEFEATIST attitude...obviously loyalty and sticking by your team has no meaning to your character..we all have gone through the rough times with this club..Im willing to let the progress of the club head in the direction it is going atm,it is the most promising it has been in years...

Yes we will miss out on players but we may also produce some quality players ....

 

[gallagher]

I usually try to be nice but it literally blows my mind that some people can't see the direction the club is heading. We have literally signed most of the ousltstanding young talent coming up in both qld and nsw. We are recruiting youth not journey man. We are throwing our hat in the ring for some of the most dynamic young players in the game.
These have not happened for us in 10 years.

Stop thinking because we try and don't get its a failure. You can't force someone to play here but we are having a real shake.

Agree 100%! Our youth recruitment has been arguably the best in the NRL!

Have you seen any of them play?

 

[Moh]

I usually try to be nice but it literally blows my mind that some people can't see the direction the club is heading. We have literally signed most of the ousltstanding young talent coming up in both qld and nsw. We are recruiting youth not journey man. We are throwing our hat in the ring for some of the most dynamic young players in the game.
These have not happened for us in 10 years.

Stop thinking because we try and don't get its a failure. You can't force someone to play here but we are having a real shake.

The young talent is great - but guess what, they are unproven and just potential at this time.

And guess what, we have been a 'potential' side for too long. We keep waiting for this so called potential to be met, but it never does.

Understand that it's this frustration that is leading to this reaction.

We placed great offers to LM and JAC (both more than they got) and couldn't land them - so what does it say about star players perception of our club?

 

[diedpretty]

but JAC told us there was no way he was going to play with us
I don't see why if he bluntly refused to come here

There's nothing to suggest either of these statements is true. In fact it's more likely they're false - he signed an agreement to that affect.

I suspect his new manager has pumped his tires about his value and Melbourne might have realised they need him more than they thought. He sat down with them and worked on a new arrangement - the Tigers probably weren't even mentioned in the discussion because the HOA is irrelevant if he stayed. I think we're a bit paranoid with the 'everyone hates us' narrative.

It's analogous to the clause in Harry's contract if Cam Smith played on. If Smith retires the clause isn't exercised. If JAC stays in Melbourne the HOA becomes null and void.

Maybe you need to read what I wrote rather than just take snippets out of context.

 

[twentyforty]

Why are we linked with Mansour we need a fullback.

I think our CEO phoned him to check if he was ok after his night out at the Abottoir Blues. From there the media has made a story.

 

[diedpretty]

My point was that I don't believe he bluntly refused our offer as we had means to negotiate if that was the case. Melbourne obviously reviewed their situation, upped their offer to him to stay. So really it came down to a decision to stay with Melb. Or sign with us. He considered Melb the better offer at this stage. My post was pointing out that his decision had nothing to do with trying to get to the dogs or souffs.

 

[Milky]

Meh maybe Laurie and Mansour will be better

1. Laurie
2. Nofoaluama
3. Leilua
4. Talau
5. Mansour

Mix of youth and experience and all players playing in their preferred position

Add the big boy from parra, tamou to our pack..That starts to shape up

Then we urgently need halves....

If Aloiai wants to go Manly in 2022, release him now and get someone from Manly

 

[balmain boy]

Meh maybe Laurie and Mansour will be better

1. Laurie
2. Nofoaluama
3. Leilua
4. Talau
5. Mansour

Mix of youth and experience and all players playing in their preferred position

Add the big boy from parra, tamou to our pack..That starts to shape up

Then we urgently need halves....

If Aloiai wants to go Manly in 2022, release him now and get someone from Manly

You actually want to have the slowest and worst backline in the comp. Don't you. You just like losing, is that it?

 

[twentyforty]

I usually try to be nice but it literally blows my mind that some people can't see the direction the club is heading. We have literally signed most of the ousltstanding young talent coming up in both qld and nsw. We are recruiting youth not journey man. We are throwing our hat in the ring for some of the most dynamic young players in the game.
These have not happened for us in 10 years.

Stop thinking because we try and don't get its a failure. You can't force someone to play here but we are having a real shake.

The young talent is great - but guess what, they are unproven and just potential at this time.

And guess what, we have been a 'potential' side for too long. We keep waiting for this so called potential to be met, but it never does.

Understand that it's this frustration that is leading to this reaction.

We placed great offers to LM and JAC (both more than they got) and couldn't land them - so what does it say about star players perception of our club?

Understand your frustration, you’re certainly not alone. The LM business made me wonder about the actual recruitment process? What is the usual procedure? The manager phones club offering a star player at $xxxx?
The club’s designated recruitment officer returns call with counter offer?
Does all this stuff actually go on without involvement from the player? I never saw anything in the msm to suggest there ever was a meeting with LM? But there must have been? Right?
Anyway, I think the process has improved since the LM circus, which must have been somewhat of a surprise to the Foxx’s camp? It’s good to see the club’s leaders learning from experience. That’s gotta be a good thing, right?

 

[TillLindemann]

Meh maybe Laurie and Mansour will be better

1. Laurie
2. Nofoaluama
3. Leilua
4. Talau
5. Mansour

Mix of youth and experience and all players playing in their preferred position

Add the big boy from parra, tamou to our pack..That starts to shape up

Then we urgently need halves....

If Aloiai wants to go Manly in 2022, release him now and get someone from Manly

Do we urgently need halves? I'd try out Adam D with Brooks in the halves, with Laurie at fullback. And if Adam D doesn't work out, swap back to him at fullback and Laurie in the halves. And there's Walters and J Rey to keep some pressure on them too.

I reckon with Tamou, Musgrove and Stefano Utoikamanu all added to the mix we'll have a strong pack next year.

I get people are disappointed in not getting JAC, but I don't think it's as doom and gloom as people are making out.

And frankly if he's the kind of person to be dumb enough to be posting images to instagram of breaking the law with his buddy Latrell maybe it's not the greatest loss.

 

[TillLindemann]

Meh maybe Laurie and Mansour will be better

1. Laurie
2. Nofoaluama
3. Leilua
4. Talau
5. Mansour

Mix of youth and experience and all players playing in their preferred position

Add the big boy from parra, tamou to our pack..That starts to shape up

Then we urgently need halves....

If Aloiai wants to go Manly in 2022, release him now and get someone from Manly

Do we urgently need halves? I'd try out Adam D with Brooks in the halves, with Laurie at fullback. And if Adam D doesn't work out, swap back to him at fullback and Laurie in the halves. And there's Walters and J Rey to keep some pressure on them too.

I reckon with Tamou, Musgrove and Stefano Utoikamanu all added to the mix we'll have a strong pack next year.

I get people are disappointed in not getting JAC, but I don't think it's as doom and gloom as people are making out.

And frankly if he's the kind of person to be dumb enough to be posting images to instagram of breaking the law with his buddy Latrell maybe it's not the greatest loss.

Sorry the above post was assuming we have Laurie next year, which is far from certain.

 

[TYGA]

I cant believe we miss out on a test star and some fans think we handled it well. Its a good thing none of us accept mediocracy

Fox at that money and losing Nofa would make us worse in the long term. You make that deal if you are challenging for a title. We unfortunately are not there’s no short cuts.

 

[tig_prmz]

Who's Laurie?

 

[innsaneink]

Who's Laurie?

Daine Laurie... Remember?

 

[tig_prmz]

Who's Laurie?

Daine Laurie... Remember?

The guy who bombed the try that Gareth Ellis set up for him?

 

[Newtown]

Who's Laurie?

Daine Laurie... Remember?

The guy who bombed the try that Gareth Ellis set up for him?

It's Daine Lauries the 22 year old who plays Canterbury Cup fullback for Penrith.

 

[earl]

We need speed and height on our wings

Kepoa fits the bill. I wanted JAC here but at fullback. If he is playing on the wing it's not money spent wisely.