earl
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crazycat
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This is weird. ...
So we needed forwards, I suspect the knights would not have been willing to part with Klemmer for Brooks. Though they did a Hastings for Klemmer swap.
Why do I feel like we have swapped a good player with a great attitude for a poorer player with a bad attitude? We need forwards and we have 3 halves, I think Hastings will go well under Johns although Newcastle is fickle and flicked Mitchell Pearce ???
So we needed forwards, I suspect the knights would not have been willing to part with Klemmer for Brooks. Though they did a Hastings for Klemmer swap.
Why do I feel like we have swapped a good player with a great attitude for a poorer player with a bad attitude? We need forwards and we have 3 halves, I think Hastings will go well under Johns although Newcastle is fickle and flicked Mitchell Pearce ???
earl
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‘Tough decisions need to be made’: Why Brooks’ salary sent Hastings to the Knights
By Adam Pengilly
November 16, 2022 — 11.44amIf not for Luke Brooks’ big salary, he would have been unveiled as Kalyn Ponga’s new sidekick at the Knights instead of now ex-Tigers teammate Jackson Hastings.
So fickle is the NRL player market, Newcastle spent almost 12 months trying to prise Brooks out of the only home he knew – and barely needed 12 days to land Hastings
Tim Sheens’ three-into-two scenario finally has a solution, but it wasn’t the one Newcastle – and perhaps the Tigers – had originally envisaged.
Having blocked Newcastle’s advances last summer and ignored Andrew Johns’ public plea to Brooks, the Tigers finally gave their long-time No.7 permission to negotiate with the Knights at the end of this season.
The impediment was Brooks’ wage for 2023, which is set to nudge past $1 million.
Newcastle couldn’t strike an agreement that would satisfy all parties, especially with the uncertainty surrounding the salary cap due to protracted collective bargaining agreement negotiations.
Jackson Hastings has been granted a release from the Tigers to join the Knights.Credit:Getty
It was then that they turned their attention to Hastings – on considerably less money than Brooks and also off-contract at the end of 2023.
The phone call caught the Tigers by surprise. But once they thought about the ramifications, they knew it made sense, and on Wednesday the Knights confirmed the biggest move of the off-season to date with Hastings’ three-year deal in Newcastle.
As Tigers chief executive Justin Pascoe said in a statement on Wednesday, “tough decisions need to be made” to lift the club out of the NRL cellar.
Sheens already had Brooks, Hastings and Adam Doueihi under contract for next year, and knew all three wanted to play in the halves. Hastings shaped as the odd one out, with Sheens telling him he wanted him to play at lock.
David Klemmer will join the Tigers after cutting short his stay at the Knights.Credit:Getty
For a controlling playmaker such as Hastings, who spent most of the year touching the ball more than any other half, that was always going to be hard to swallow.
But perhaps it’s a little window into the Sheens and Benji Marshall era, which promises expansive attack that might not need such a dominant ball distributor.
Even allowing for his one-year stay, Hastings had been a popular figure with Tigers fans and the decision to let him go will divide opinion.
The former Man of Steel winner paid for his own flights to Queensland to help the team for a game while he was injured and spoke glowingly about what the club meant to him giving him a chance to resurrect his NRL career.
His loyalty to former coach Michael Maguire, sacked midway through the season, was also well known. Many will consider his exit, instead of Brooks, to be a recruiting blunder.
But behind closed doors, Hastings’ intense personality had also ruffled feathers within the organisation. The Tigers had already resolved Hastings was unlikely to be offered a new deal beyond 2023.
While Brooks’ bounty was enough to stop his move to Newcastle, the final year of Klemmer’s Knights deal wasn’t enough to perturb the Tigers. While it might be pitched as a swap deal, the Tigers were independently negotiating with Klemmer before the Hastings release was even an option.
Klemmer, a former Australia and NSW prop, will reunite with Sheens at Concord on a three-year deal, which includes a mutual option for a fourth.
Suddenly, the Tigers are starting to possess the mongrel in their forward pack they’ve lacked for so long.
Klemmer’s signing will not only give them immediate punch with a pack already being beefed up with Api Koroisau and Isaiah Papali’i, it’s also a building block for the future. They want Klemmer to mentor Stefano Utoikamanu, Fonua Pole and a host of promising juniors yet to play at NRL level. Negotiations to bring John Bateman back to the NRL are well advanced.
However, perhaps above anything, it’s an indication to any prospective halfback – hello, Mitchell Moses – the platform they’ll be playing behind.
Sheens and Marshall have been tight-lipped on a potential Moses homecoming, and the Eels’ grand final halfback is desperate to keep his contract talks out of the media. The Tigers sense they’re a chance and Marshall, in particular, won’t die wondering.
But with Klemmer, Koroisau, Papali’i and potentially more on the way, is it a big enough selling point to replace one $1 million halfback in Brooks with his good mate?
The Tigers, and Brooks, might be about to find out.
Tiger_Fanatic3
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But Luke has a kid on the way. Needs the big $$‘Tough decisions need to be made’: Why Brooks’ salary sent Hastings to the Knights
By Adam Pengilly
November 16, 2022 — 11.44am
If not for Luke Brooks’ big salary, he would have been unveiled as Kalyn Ponga’s new sidekick at the Knights instead of now ex-Tigers teammate Jackson Hastings.
So fickle is the NRL player market, Newcastle spent almost 12 months trying to prise Brooks out of the only home he knew – and barely needed 12 days to land Hastings
Tim Sheens’ three-into-two scenario finally has a solution, but it wasn’t the one Newcastle – and perhaps the Tigers – had originally envisaged.
Having blocked Newcastle’s advances last summer and ignored Andrew Johns’ public plea to Brooks, the Tigers finally gave their long-time No.7 permission to negotiate with the Knights at the end of this season.
The impediment was Brooks’ wage for 2023, which is set to nudge past $1 million.
Newcastle couldn’t strike an agreement that would satisfy all parties, especially with the uncertainty surrounding the salary cap due to protracted collective bargaining agreement negotiations.
Jackson Hastings has been granted a release from the Tigers to join the Knights.Credit:Getty
It was then that they turned their attention to Hastings – on considerably less money than Brooks and also off-contract at the end of 2023.
The phone call caught the Tigers by surprise. But once they thought about the ramifications, they knew it made sense, and on Wednesday the Knights confirmed the biggest move of the off-season to date with Hastings’ three-year deal in Newcastle.
As Tigers chief executive Justin Pascoe said in a statement on Wednesday, “tough decisions need to be made” to lift the club out of the NRL cellar.
Sheens already had Brooks, Hastings and Adam Doueihi under contract for next year, and knew all three wanted to play in the halves. Hastings shaped as the odd one out, with Sheens telling him he wanted him to play at lock.
David Klemmer will join the Tigers after cutting short his stay at the Knights.Credit:Getty
For a controlling playmaker such as Hastings, who spent most of the year touching the ball more than any other half, that was always going to be hard to swallow.
But perhaps it’s a little window into the Sheens and Benji Marshall era, which promises expansive attack that might not need such a dominant ball distributor.
Even allowing for his one-year stay, Hastings had been a popular figure with Tigers fans and the decision to let him go will divide opinion.
The former Man of Steel winner paid for his own flights to Queensland to help the team for a game while he was injured and spoke glowingly about what the club meant to him giving him a chance to resurrect his NRL career.
His loyalty to former coach Michael Maguire, sacked midway through the season, was also well known. Many will consider his exit, instead of Brooks, to be a recruiting blunder.
But behind closed doors, Hastings’ intense personality had also ruffled feathers within the organisation. The Tigers had already resolved Hastings was unlikely to be offered a new deal beyond 2023.
While Brooks’ bounty was enough to stop his move to Newcastle, the final year of Klemmer’s Knights deal wasn’t enough to perturb the Tigers. While it might be pitched as a swap deal, the Tigers were independently negotiating with Klemmer before the Hastings release was even an option.
Klemmer, a former Australia and NSW prop, will reunite with Sheens at Concord on a three-year deal, which includes a mutual option for a fourth.
Suddenly, the Tigers are starting to possess the mongrel in their forward pack they’ve lacked for so long.
Klemmer’s signing will not only give them immediate punch with a pack already being beefed up with Api Koroisau and Isaiah Papali’i, it’s also a building block for the future. They want Klemmer to mentor Stefano Utoikamanu, Fonua Pole and a host of promising juniors yet to play at NRL level. Negotiations to bring John Bateman back to the NRL are well advanced.
However, perhaps above anything, it’s an indication to any prospective halfback – hello, Mitchell Moses – the platform they’ll be playing behind.
Sheens and Marshall have been tight-lipped on a potential Moses homecoming, and the Eels’ grand final halfback is desperate to keep his contract talks out of the media. The Tigers sense they’re a chance and Marshall, in particular, won’t die wondering.
But with Klemmer, Koroisau, Papali’i and potentially more on the way, is it a big enough selling point to replace one $1 million halfback in Brooks with his good mate?
The Tigers, and Brooks, might be about to find out.
Has gone well in the WC…
Chased / pressured every bomb,
Always there in support…
Making his own breaks and way.
I liked what I saw - plenty of effort
earl
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I didn't see any of the WC other than highlights. This is good to hear.
love it‘Tough decisions need to be made’: Why Brooks’ salary sent Hastings to the Knights
By Adam Pengilly
November 16, 2022 — 11.44am
If not for Luke Brooks’ big salary, he would have been unveiled as Kalyn Ponga’s new sidekick at the Knights instead of now ex-Tigers teammate Jackson Hastings.
So fickle is the NRL player market, Newcastle spent almost 12 months trying to prise Brooks out of the only home he knew – and barely needed 12 days to land Hastings
Tim Sheens’ three-into-two scenario finally has a solution, but it wasn’t the one Newcastle – and perhaps the Tigers – had originally envisaged.
Having blocked Newcastle’s advances last summer and ignored Andrew Johns’ public plea to Brooks, the Tigers finally gave their long-time No.7 permission to negotiate with the Knights at the end of this season.
The impediment was Brooks’ wage for 2023, which is set to nudge past $1 million.
Newcastle couldn’t strike an agreement that would satisfy all parties, especially with the uncertainty surrounding the salary cap due to protracted collective bargaining agreement negotiations.
Jackson Hastings has been granted a release from the Tigers to join the Knights.Credit:Getty
It was then that they turned their attention to Hastings – on considerably less money than Brooks and also off-contract at the end of 2023.
The phone call caught the Tigers by surprise. But once they thought about the ramifications, they knew it made sense, and on Wednesday the Knights confirmed the biggest move of the off-season to date with Hastings’ three-year deal in Newcastle.
As Tigers chief executive Justin Pascoe said in a statement on Wednesday, “tough decisions need to be made” to lift the club out of the NRL cellar.
Sheens already had Brooks, Hastings and Adam Doueihi under contract for next year, and knew all three wanted to play in the halves. Hastings shaped as the odd one out, with Sheens telling him he wanted him to play at lock.
David Klemmer will join the Tigers after cutting short his stay at the Knights.Credit:Getty
For a controlling playmaker such as Hastings, who spent most of the year touching the ball more than any other half, that was always going to be hard to swallow.
But perhaps it’s a little window into the Sheens and Benji Marshall era, which promises expansive attack that might not need such a dominant ball distributor.
Even allowing for his one-year stay, Hastings had been a popular figure with Tigers fans and the decision to let him go will divide opinion.
The former Man of Steel winner paid for his own flights to Queensland to help the team for a game while he was injured and spoke glowingly about what the club meant to him giving him a chance to resurrect his NRL career.
His loyalty to former coach Michael Maguire, sacked midway through the season, was also well known. Many will consider his exit, instead of Brooks, to be a recruiting blunder.
But behind closed doors, Hastings’ intense personality had also ruffled feathers within the organisation. The Tigers had already resolved Hastings was unlikely to be offered a new deal beyond 2023.
While Brooks’ bounty was enough to stop his move to Newcastle, the final year of Klemmer’s Knights deal wasn’t enough to perturb the Tigers. While it might be pitched as a swap deal, the Tigers were independently negotiating with Klemmer before the Hastings release was even an option.
Klemmer, a former Australia and NSW prop, will reunite with Sheens at Concord on a three-year deal, which includes a mutual option for a fourth.
Suddenly, the Tigers are starting to possess the mongrel in their forward pack they’ve lacked for so long.
Klemmer’s signing will not only give them immediate punch with a pack already being beefed up with Api Koroisau and Isaiah Papali’i, it’s also a building block for the future. They want Klemmer to mentor Stefano Utoikamanu, Fonua Pole and a host of promising juniors yet to play at NRL level. Negotiations to bring John Bateman back to the NRL are well advanced.
However, perhaps above anything, it’s an indication to any prospective halfback – hello, Mitchell Moses – the platform they’ll be playing behind.
Sheens and Marshall have been tight-lipped on a potential Moses homecoming, and the Eels’ grand final halfback is desperate to keep his contract talks out of the media. The Tigers sense they’re a chance and Marshall, in particular, won’t die wondering.
But with Klemmer, Koroisau, Papali’i and potentially more on the way, is it a big enough selling point to replace one $1 million halfback in Brooks with his good mate?
The Tigers, and Brooks, might be about to find out.
Media speculation both here and the UK,certainly it is not a particularly reliable source but that is what i have read
jirskyr
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Easier method - use this website, which is used to archive snapshots of webpages. The byproduct is bypasses paywalls for most media outlets.
If it's a new page (one it's never archived before), it takes a few minutes to process. But it captures text and graphics and preserves the formatting.
I hope you are right because we don't want another Blair Anasta or Packer
earl
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Easier method - use this website, which is used to archive snapshots of webpages. The byproduct is bypasses paywalls for most media outlets.
If it's a new page (one it's never archived before), it takes a few minutes to process. But it captures text and graphics and preserves the formatting.
Thank You. I was going to post it's such a pain in the backside to actually post the whole article. When I copy and paste it gets the links and other stories etc. I had to delete a bunch of crap.
I had nothing else to do so it's cool but I tend to avoid most things that are difficult.
earl
Well-known member
These are what kill clubs. We've had too many of them as well.
Lankanflyer10.98
Active member
In Sheens we trust, if Bateman comes, regardless of how we go, Sheens has achieved I goal, which really no one did for a long time, and that is recruit talent. 3 years to get Isiah and Api for Madge, 4 months for TS. on the proviso that JB comes. Was it not the main reason for JH leaving, in that Batemen and him really detest each other.
But really I think our feelings are betraying us, not to sound like Darth Vader, but after 5 years of misery, and having our heart and soul ripped out when 3 local superstars walk out, followed by a procession of wasted player purchases, and the big one, the bus boy, became coach of the year 6 months after leaving us, and went on to win back to back titles. Ivan.
In the greater scheme of things we felt that Jackson was owed to us, maybe our luck had changed when this cheap risky purchase, worked out to be a wonder buy. He brought a sense of hope and a pleasant change.
In reality no one wanted him, he played well for us no doubt, with maturity and he owned the n7. But we finished last, in one of the worst, for and against tally's on record, of course he looked special.
But now we have a supercoach, who is willing to coach us and actually wants to coach us, has a plan, seems to attract players, and is driven to execute his plan. And is even more driven by the fact that he failed on his first real assignment, 4 months ago. Getting Ciraldo over.
STEFANO,KLEM,IZE,API, BATES*, when was the last time we had a pack with a mix of youth experience and ability.
But really I think our feelings are betraying us, not to sound like Darth Vader, but after 5 years of misery, and having our heart and soul ripped out when 3 local superstars walk out, followed by a procession of wasted player purchases, and the big one, the bus boy, became coach of the year 6 months after leaving us, and went on to win back to back titles. Ivan.
In the greater scheme of things we felt that Jackson was owed to us, maybe our luck had changed when this cheap risky purchase, worked out to be a wonder buy. He brought a sense of hope and a pleasant change.
In reality no one wanted him, he played well for us no doubt, with maturity and he owned the n7. But we finished last, in one of the worst, for and against tally's on record, of course he looked special.
But now we have a supercoach, who is willing to coach us and actually wants to coach us, has a plan, seems to attract players, and is driven to execute his plan. And is even more driven by the fact that he failed on his first real assignment, 4 months ago. Getting Ciraldo over.
STEFANO,KLEM,IZE,API, BATES*, when was the last time we had a pack with a mix of youth experience and ability.
Leeroy Jenkins
Member
He's no longer with us so screw him.
beachtiger
Well-known member
I haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere we’re offering him $750k per season, not saying it hasn’t happened, just I’ve not read it.
That’s crazy money for him if true, I would think $550-600k max is more on the money.
Gents and ladies
I am very disappointed about losing Hastings and think that unless we score MM or someone we are going backwards with Brooks at half.
However that is just my opinion and the only proof will be how we perform next year. (Let’s leave 2024 out of it for now)
I know there’s a lot of people who think Sheens recruitment drive is going well - I think losing Jackson is not worth Klemmer + Bateman but again who knows.
Rather than everyone hammering each other because they don’t agree - and again none of us know right now - what about a friendly wager amongst us all who want to participate.
If the tigers finish on top of the Knights next year those who thought Sheens was right about Jackson get free drinks from the others (those who think Sheens was wrong) at the last home game….
Thoughts ?
I’m open to how this is decided - whether it be who finished on the ladder higher and what the winners get.
Just thought could be good for people to meet at the last game and either lament or celebrate a year.
I am very disappointed about losing Hastings and think that unless we score MM or someone we are going backwards with Brooks at half.
However that is just my opinion and the only proof will be how we perform next year. (Let’s leave 2024 out of it for now)
I know there’s a lot of people who think Sheens recruitment drive is going well - I think losing Jackson is not worth Klemmer + Bateman but again who knows.
Rather than everyone hammering each other because they don’t agree - and again none of us know right now - what about a friendly wager amongst us all who want to participate.
If the tigers finish on top of the Knights next year those who thought Sheens was right about Jackson get free drinks from the others (those who think Sheens was wrong) at the last home game….
Thoughts ?
I’m open to how this is decided - whether it be who finished on the ladder higher and what the winners get.
Just thought could be good for people to meet at the last game and either lament or celebrate a year.
Odessa
Well-known member
Why have a unhappy player at the club ? He was out the door he will play better at half and be happy then hate is role and be 13
Magpies1969
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Go luck to Hastings. Hope he settles with one NRL club, keeps his nose clean, gets on with his team-mates and can leaves his own legacy. His Father was an excellent player.
Siberian Kitten
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He is an excellent organiser. I would have liked to have seen him and Douehi as halves. Still, Bateman was amazing with Canberra. If he can reproduce that form at the WT it'll be worth losing JH.
