Jackson Hastings #251
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It's not just about tactics. It's about setting standards. Your leaders demand players around them lift to get into game and stay in the game. Any one who think coaches don't need those type of players on the field is kidding themselves.
Mentally those players are the type that switch on when they on the field because they want to compete. The best teams have them and to be successful you need them.
Tigerwould
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Thanks for putting together all the data. Can see why Sheens doesn’t see him in the halves.
Hopefully the club has some good junior 7’s coming through as they are rare at NRL level.
Also hope they are negotiating hard for M.Moses or trying to find a good one in the UK.
I’m more confident about the forwards we currently have signed for 2023. Less so about the spine (bar Api).
innsaneink
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The poster laughing at players needing to be organised.... Have a watch of of a one armed Cronk in the GF a few years back... They don't win without him
Unfortunately stats don’t tell you everything.
Try assists based on the last pass.
How many of Brooks were from plays created by Hastings?
All Brooks did was pass the ball after the work was done.
Want the real stats?
How many finals has Brooks got us into or even played?
How many times has Brooks been selected (or even been considered) in a top level rep team?
pawsandclaws1
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Hastings was actually the least effective creating half in the comp in 22.
twentyforty
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Hahaha, ck you can you discount stats by using more stats as evidence? They are two totally different 7s in the way they behave on field. Hastings is a schemer, while Brooks is an opportunist. Both have something to offer.
I would love them at 13 and 7 if they could work out the rough edges, and Hastings could stop playing like a 7.
I hope we can sort out this spine so they get a good preseason to make it work.
Tim Sheens
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Agreed. Trouble is that very few also have the abilities required to fulfil the many other requirements of playing in said position, particularly in the halves.
Jackson Hastings falls squarely into that category for mine, whilst Brooks is lacking a little in the character traits area that you observed.
On balance, I have Luke ahead overall and see Jackson as somewhat similar to Todd Payten, in that his mind is genuine half back, but other attributes and/or lack of level of them, have him better suited elsewhere.
tony soprano
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But but his a controlling halfback .
nrlsurvivor
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Unlike NBA, in the NRL a try assist isn’t last pass. It’s the person (apart from the tryscorer) who most contributed to the try being scored.
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Cobarcats
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So what your saying is all the Weststigers players should be accredited dozens of try assists for all the opposition teams tries because they didn't do much to score tries, we helped them 🙂
If we are blocking Brooks desire to play elsewhere and everyone on the team knows it, in my opinion he offers no value to us next year unless you honestly believe we have a squad capable of making finals.
Hastings issues are well identified and are separate from anything to do with how the club manages Brooks imo
When he was a kid and in the superleague maybe....
Long (Long) way between both of those and the NRL unfortunately....
Mighty_Tiger
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Data can show different angles at times. This is one perspective of the data.
I get why people think Hastings is awesome and must be resigned, why people think he is the organiser we have lacked and needed. Heck I really like Hastings & do think he could be a real value add for us over next few years. But the more he touched the ball the more predictable we become which then drives away from having halves either side and him as a lock. We need a balance and in 23 we get one of the best organisers in the comp with Api joining.
With Api coming into the team his usage rates will drop as Api often organises the middles over the years and the halves often play either side of him with a spread style lock off his hip.
If Hastings plays as a lock his usage rates drop to 30-45, if he plays as a halfback it should be around 50-60. That's a massive change in his playing style from 22, it's a 30-60% drop in touches per game.
If you look at Moses, Cleary, DCE and Reynolds 4 organisers they spend more time without the ball organising structure and breakdowns when they get the ball the effectiveness is attack or position play.
Tim Sheens
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Cannot agree on this, as the pair are intrinsically intertwined in the decision making process.
Same goes for Doueihi, as the trio all want to play in the halves and bring different attributes, attitudes and abilities. Also, all three are off contract at the end of the coming season and are able to negotiate elsewhere for a week or so already.
I have no doubt whatsoever that they are being considered both individually and collectively, just as similar personnel would be in any organisation.
Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan
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The organising halfback's job is to have the forwards running where they are meant to, and that we are getting to certain points on the field to execute a plan. It's an important role because it allows the other playmakers to fall out of structure when they see something, and for the rest of the team to fall back into structure immediately. When Jock Madden was playing half, we had no one organising the team and our sets would go nowhere.
Less then mediocre were our halves , if we persist with the idea that the three players that played in the halves last year,will take us further, your wearing rose coloured glasses. The reason we are as bad as we are, is because we buy , and keep, MEDIOCRE. We are trying to aim higher, in a difficult market, i like our progress and have confidence in Sheens. Have faith, cause there's no one else that would take the job. He is a very smart man.
mike
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He’s a good financial manager, that’s it. There is more to being a CEO than that. He is one of the worst NRL CEO’s ever. The sooner he is gone the better off the club will be. COE is his legacy, have a successful winning Rugby League club isn’t. Apart from the COE he has been responsible for one disaster after another.
happy_tiger
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Mate CEO's shouldn't be giving opinions on players ...causes problems
A certain Grant Mayer once said he couldn't see what all the fuss about a certain ex fullback of ours was ...I think he is the captain of our national side now
WesternSuburbsBoy
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small hands that was your problem
