Jacob Miller
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Alf_Duguid
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@T-REXX said:
Fair call, the proof is there to back up your point and I suspect from all your posts you know more about the inner sanctum as opposed to this Keyboard Warrior. It makes me suspect even more that it is more an attitude thing then a talent thing
We desperately need someone to direct the traffic and take over the general play kicking role. Leave Benji to weave his magic with his passing, stepping and running. Kicking is not his strong point. Lui wasn't near the best half backs in the comp and was initially our weakest link in defence but he improved in all areas to become a handy player through patience, perserverence and guidance.
It's obvious there is currently no one in the entire first grade squad that has the skills to take over the playmaker role and take some pressure off Benji. Maybe that's why we have purchased Anasta for next season. He does a lot of kicking and playmaking for Roosters and can play either in the halves or as a ball playing lock if needed. However, for the remainder of this year we need to choose either Sirro or Miller and give them time to develop. IMO, the best choice is the guy that can successfully kick in general play and actually run to the line like a true playmaker (unlike every other pretender in the role this year that simply catches and passes).
It's obvious there is currently no one in the entire first grade squad that has the skills to take over the playmaker role and take some pressure off Benji. Maybe that's why we have purchased Anasta for next season. He does a lot of kicking and playmaking for Roosters and can play either in the halves or as a ball playing lock if needed. However, for the remainder of this year we need to choose either Sirro or Miller and give them time to develop. IMO, the best choice is the guy that can successfully kick in general play and actually run to the line like a true playmaker (unlike every other pretender in the role this year that simply catches and passes).
tigermaniac
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People must stop saying that players such as Miller and Moors have attitude problems and this is the reason why Sheens doesn't select them. I wonder at times where attitude is coming from. To be honest if I was either player I'd end up with an attitude problem as well.
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supercoach
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You would be safe to put your house on, Miller not being at Concord next year. Shame because I think our teams needs a genuine no7 playing a normal no7 role. Sheens has set the team up differently and Miller dosnt suit the style. I think Benji will be our seven from now on so it will be some time before we see a new no7\. Where I dont agree with Sheens, its his call to do what he thinks is best for the team and his logic with Benji is to get your best players touching the ball the most has some merit
fergiefurr
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@T-REXX said:
For every gallant, Lazarus there is a Lewis brown, Bronson, Lima, saffy etc
tigermaniac
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@T-REXX said:
So you really think Sheens won't blood players until their bodies are up to it. If that's the case, we'll become a breeding ground for other clubs. And if we do keep our young, you won't see players like Siro till 2017.
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Benji's kicking game has improved, and so has Farah's, but they're both fairly predictable close to the line. Spread it two wide, grubber in behind the wing. It was good to see Benji put that chip over for Lote and see him steaming down the line.
Miller's attacking kicking game would complement Benji and Farah and bring another dimension to the team
Miller's attacking kicking game would complement Benji and Farah and bring another dimension to the team
Jacob Miller is our future. I would be astounded and militant if he moved in.
I would like to think that there are already succession plans for post robbie and Benji.
I would like to think that there are already succession plans for post robbie and Benji.
tigerlogic
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@fergiefurr said:
Haha r u serious mate?? Bronsons name is me vet mentioned for anything (he went forward but has fallen backwards since leaving), Jeff Lima not even in the nrl and saffy no more than an average first grader who also doesn't even play league.. Il give u Lewis brown, but for every one like him I would say there are several mullaneys/gallants..
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Strider
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@andrew 474 said:
I would be thrilled for this.
I agree I think people love to think we have a superstar that Sheens won't give time. Like Mullaney etc heh. There is always one Lockyer in our under 20s who we won't give a run.
I'm confident that Sheens pre season plan was to let Miller develop further in the NYC without rushing him. Especially when he has Humble and Chisholm in the squad to call upon.
I think the same can be said for Sirro although he has a bit more utility value and may have been in Sheens sight for a bench spot at some stage.
I think any coach would have gone for the same option and not push the younger guys earlier then needed.
Without Tedesco's injury I think we would have been stable with Moltzen at 7 and Sheens would have persisted with that spine and I think we'd be in about the same position 5 and 5 (if not better).
So Sheens has had to tinker around finding the right combination. Fullback was the first to be fixed. Can't argue with using a proven Moltzen there, after trying Humble (even though Timmy's had some poor games).
Then halfback became the issue and although Humble went, with Benji basically playing that role anyway it probably looked best to use a new 6.
I still wouldn't mind seeing Moltzen at 6 or 7, but I think he probably needs to stay at 1.
With Benji's best game of the year at 7, where nobody has to overcall him and getting plenty of touches, I'd give young Sirro a run. Miller has had few runs and wI don't think anybody is giving up on him just yet, but Sirro has some more size and might just slot perfectly into the 6.
I think the same can be said for Sirro although he has a bit more utility value and may have been in Sheens sight for a bench spot at some stage.
I think any coach would have gone for the same option and not push the younger guys earlier then needed.
Without Tedesco's injury I think we would have been stable with Moltzen at 7 and Sheens would have persisted with that spine and I think we'd be in about the same position 5 and 5 (if not better).
So Sheens has had to tinker around finding the right combination. Fullback was the first to be fixed. Can't argue with using a proven Moltzen there, after trying Humble (even though Timmy's had some poor games).
Then halfback became the issue and although Humble went, with Benji basically playing that role anyway it probably looked best to use a new 6.
I still wouldn't mind seeing Moltzen at 6 or 7, but I think he probably needs to stay at 1.
With Benji's best game of the year at 7, where nobody has to overcall him and getting plenty of touches, I'd give young Sirro a run. Miller has had few runs and wI don't think anybody is giving up on him just yet, but Sirro has some more size and might just slot perfectly into the 6.
Andyvee
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@shano said:
Having both Farah and Marshall would make it difficult for anyone to be able to direct the team and take over the kicking role. It took Lui 2 years to get the confidence to "take over" plays from both of them. Not taking anything from either player, but it would be hard for anyone coming into the 7, let alone someone like Miller.
fergiefurr
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@tigerlogic said:
What crap.
Bronson went onto become one of the most damaging back rowers in the game. In his first season at the raiders after 12 rounds he had more offloads then our whole forward pack COMBINED. He has been injured most of the year this year. Sheens played him as a prop which was a complete Disasture.
Lima at one stage was close to the best prop inthe nrl. In the 2007 grandfinal he made something like 180m off the bench. Meanwhile we had Bronson, Payne and galea playing front row for us.
Ask saints fans what they think of saffy, they would absolutely love to have him playing for them ATM. He was brilliant for them.
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milford_magic
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Im still not sold on Miller.
In his first grade games he has shown nothing to me to suggest hes anything special. And its not a case of him setting up tries, or making breaks. But it has to do with how a player looks. You watch good players come in and they just look part of it. To me Miller doesnt look that. Tedesco looked part of it very comfortably on the other hand.
Millers games in first grade have shown nothing IMO. And you can blame Benji or Farah all you want, but Miller needs to take control. Hes had games without Benji too, like the Dogs came, and again Im not expecting him to carve it, and make break after break, but to me he just didnt even look like threatening.
20s is a different game. He plays with outside backls who are already arguably as good as our first grade backline. He plays with forwards who role over the top of opposition packs (which just doesnt happen in first grade). And he plays with alot more time due to a reduced line speed. Its different in the NRL and thats been very obvious in his few games in the top flight. And maybe its me, but when I have seen him play 20s hes hardly looked like a absolute superstar.
Thats all not to say hes not going to be a good first grader, but he has a lot of work to do if you ask me.
In his first grade games he has shown nothing to me to suggest hes anything special. And its not a case of him setting up tries, or making breaks. But it has to do with how a player looks. You watch good players come in and they just look part of it. To me Miller doesnt look that. Tedesco looked part of it very comfortably on the other hand.
Millers games in first grade have shown nothing IMO. And you can blame Benji or Farah all you want, but Miller needs to take control. Hes had games without Benji too, like the Dogs came, and again Im not expecting him to carve it, and make break after break, but to me he just didnt even look like threatening.
20s is a different game. He plays with outside backls who are already arguably as good as our first grade backline. He plays with forwards who role over the top of opposition packs (which just doesnt happen in first grade). And he plays with alot more time due to a reduced line speed. Its different in the NRL and thats been very obvious in his few games in the top flight. And maybe its me, but when I have seen him play 20s hes hardly looked like a absolute superstar.
Thats all not to say hes not going to be a good first grader, but he has a lot of work to do if you ask me.
tigerlogic
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@fergiefurr said:
Hahaha Lima one of the best??? Ur referring to a single game he killed it, big deal!!!
Let me tell u this, at the time Lima was at the tigers I was working with the nrl squad and he was the laziest trainer ever, worse then John Wilson!
I'd have any of our players at the time over saff, barely a solid first grader…
Big deal Bronson had one big season, what about after that? I wouldn't swap Bronson for any of our back row!! Also if u recall, sheens let Bronson go just before farah and Marshall signed lucrative lengthy contracts, we needed to free up money!
Sheens definitely made the right calls!!
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