Jacob Miller

@MacDougall said:
If Miller was given a run in first grade with the same amount of pressure on him (read none) as Sironen then I reckon he would have done well too. Sironen is a big kid that has a great running game (and other things) while Miller is a small halfback with a great pass and kicking game. Sirro was able to translate his running game into top grade success straight away due to his size while Miller was unable to fit his style of playmaking into our structure in his limited opportunities, due most likely to having two dominant players constantly overcalling him, as opposed to Sironen who plays as an option for the dominant players, completely taking pressure off him. Not to mention Sirro came in while we were on a winning streak and every time Miller has played it's been while we were under the pump. It's chalk and cheese to compare their first grade appearances. Miller has dominated at the junior level even more so than Sironen has and will reach the same heights eventually. Miller's a great young talent but Sirro just suits our first grade side better now that Marshall has found his feet in the 7\. Miller is going to become a 200 game first grader at another club and is at the right age to peak when the Origin jumper becomes vacant too. I definitely see him there in the future.

Spot on,yet people like Hellman just can't see how different the 2 scenarios are,Miller has not been given a fair go,(more than 2 games in a row) in a winning team to gauge anything,he was a instructed to catch and pass to Benji,no one can shine like that,Sirro is outside Benji and doesn't get those instructions.
Sirro is good,and gonna get better,but he could play 13,12 or 3,and allow Benji to play 6 and Miller 7,we would be so much better,but some people can't see the forest for the trees.
 
I think there's a place for both miller and siro. Would love to keep them both but miller will shop if he doesn't get an opportunity. In a couple of years I think siro will become a great ball playing 2nd rower and might be too big/slow for 5/8\. Things change quickly and itd be short sighted to think we don't have a place for miller if he keeps improving.
 
I think there are definitely a few teams in the NRL where he'd make first grade, but there's too much competition for his spot here, and we can't keep him under wraps forever. He's a good player, but I think we could afford to lose him, and it's in his interests to find a better deal.
 
Read in the rugby league week that the dragons are after him and that the club will release him to go if he chooses to . Bit of a shame but with benji and young surround in front of him no chance . If he goes good luck to him he deserves the world
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By the time Sironen is too big for five-eighth, which is probably gonna be next year tbh, Miller will be gone.

It's just lucky we have the most exciting junior half in recent memory coming through in Mitchell Moses to be the one to step up.
 
Also I don't discount Moltzen at 6\. He's a much better 6 than anything else and if he was playing the 6 the same way as Sironen we would all be singing a different tune about him. Perhaps this is Sheens thinking, considering Tedesco apparently has a mortgage on the fullback spot.

1\. Tedesco
4\. Lawrence
6\. Moltzen
7\. Marshall
11\. Blair
12\. Anasta
13\. Sironen

So long as Anasta plays backrow the way he did when Carney and Pearce were in the halves together.
 
@851 said:
Miller has not been given a fair go,(more than 2 games in a row) in a winning team to gauge anything,he was a instructed to catch and pass to Benji,no one can shine like that,Sirro is outside Benji and doesn't get those instructions.

You guys are amazing in that you know exactly what the coach has instructed the players to do.
 
Moltzen at 6 is a good option. Mitchell Moses may be a player to step up. Siro may be our long term 6 although I think he may be better used at lock or in the backrow.

Miller may also still be in with a chance as well.

We have a lot of options in the halves mainly because Benji can play 7 or 6 easily.
 
I always thought it'd be a good idea to just play an extra tackling forward in the halves and let Benji and Farah do everything. But every time I thought they would do it it turned out they actually intended for Liam Fulton to play as a half.
 
I like that idea MacDougall however I think you are better off with a skillful player there who is predominately a ball runner.

Fulton doesn't look like a ball player at all. He just doesn't have a crisp passing game - its not bad its just not good.
 
This week's Rugby League week has a piece on Miller saying that he's likely to be heading to the Dragons (as previously reported on here) and the Tigers won't stand in his way if he asks for a release. Take it with a grain of salt if you will, but I'll be surprised if he's around next year.
 
@alex said:
Big League has a story saying Ben Hornby wants to stay another year…

Hmm this could get interesting

Yeah good luck with that Mr Hornby. Whilst we are on the topics of want, I want a pet unicorn, jet black with red racing stripes down the side and a horn made out of pure diamond.
 
@MacDougall said:
Also I don't discount Moltzen at 6\. He's a much better 6 than anything else and if he was playing the 6 the same way as Sironen we would all be singing a different tune about him. Perhaps this is Sheens thinking, considering Tedesco apparently has a mortgage on the fullback spot.

1\. Tedesco
4\. Lawrence
6\. Moltzen
7\. Marshall
11\. Blair
12\. Anasta
13\. Sironen

So long as Anasta plays backrow the way he did when Carney and Pearce were in the halves together.

This is a really great option come next year when we have our hands full with talent. Timmy is great outside Benji we know that already from him playing FB.

Bench:
14\. Humble
15\. Thompson
16\. Pettybourne
17\. BMM/Fulton/Bell?
 
Next year chisolm, Humble and moltzen, and miller are all off contract. We need at least one if not two to cover for injuries.
I would rate Miller with regards to POTENTIAL in the top 2 of that group.

Ioseffa got a two year deal. So my shot at there thinking is…

A - Farah injured = 9\. Ioseffa 7\. Marshall 6\. Siro
B - Marshal injured = 9\. Farah 7\. ????? 6\. Anasta ( I think if this was to happen Siro would be moved to 13 to keep experience in the halves. (They could go with 9\. Ioseffa 7\. Farah 6\. Anasta - I am not sure if this would have enough flair.)
C - Siro injured - 9\. Farah 7\. Marshall 6\. Anasta

Let's not even think of what would happen if either of these are injured.

Moltzen has to be kept because he can cover Tedesco for fullback. He also serves well as a utility.
Miller is the next obvious choice for back up for 7\. This way we will have:

9\. Farah or Ioseffa
7\. Marshall or Miller
6\. Siro or Anasta
1\. Tedesco or Moltzen

Obviously these guys are also versitile enough to swap around themselves.

Sorry for the rambling its quite early and the brain may not have woken up yet...
 
That last post is riddled with grammar and spelling mistakes. Luckily you are all such a smart group I am sure you can decipher it and keep the remarks to yourself.
 
@Bob said:
Next year chisolm, Humble and moltzen, and miller are all off contract. We need at least one if not two to cover for injuries.
I would rate Miller with regards to POTENTIAL in the top 2 of that group.

Ioseffa got a two year deal. So my shot at there thinking is…

A - Farah injured = 9\. Ioseffa 7\. Marshall 6\. Siro
B - Marshal injured = 9\. Farah 7\. ????? 6\. Anasta ( I think if this was to happen Siro would be moved to 13 to keep experience in the halves. (They could go with 9\. Ioseffa 7\. Farah 6\. Anasta - I am not sure if this would have enough flair.)
C - Siro injured - 9\. Farah 7\. Marshall 6\. Anasta

Let's not even think of what would happen if either of these are injured.

Moltzen has to be kept because he can cover Tedesco for fullback. He also serves well as a utility.
Miller is the next obvious choice for back up for 7\. This way we will have:

9\. Farah or Ioseffa
7\. Marshall or Miller
6\. Siro or Anasta
1\. Tedesco or Moltzen

Obviously these guys are also versitile enough to swap around themselves.

Sorry for the rambling its quite early and the brain may not have woken up yet...

My take:

A - Farah injured = 9\. Ioseffa/Politoni/Humble 7\. Marshall 6\. Sironen
B - Marshal injured = 9\. Farah 7\. Anasta 6\. Sironen
C - Sironen injured - 9\. Farah 7\. Marshall 6\. Anasta
D - Tedesco injured - 1\. Rudolph/Rowe/Moltzen/Ryan
E - Anasta injured - 13\. Bell/Harris

8 Woods
10 Galloway
11 Blair
12 Fulton

Bench:
14 Utai
15 Pettybourne
16 Thompson
17 BMM

Hopefully, the bench players will be used more :slight_smile:

:sign:
 
Do you think that if Farah was injured leaving
9\. Ioseffa / Politoni / Humble
7\. Marshall
6\. Sironen
1\. Teddy

This would make it a fairly inexperienced spine? I think if this happened surely Anasta would have to move into the spine somewhere for more experience there.

Marshall does take the silly option quite often.
 
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