James Graham

@Scorcher said:
Heard a little whisper that the Tigers have signed James Graham for 3 years. He will play for us next year.

That would be a better signing for us than Inglis is for Souths,hope you heard right.
 
What am I missing with this bloke??

I've watched him play and he is ok,but is he that good???

I'm a bit nonplussed about this whole shebang.
 
For me he is a perfect replacement for Payten. When I say him in the 4 Nations he is a really good ball player. He threw one of the best passes a prop has ever thrown from kick off to set up a try from kick off against PNG. That pass is always gonna stick in my memory back.

This guy is 25-26 atm and next coupla years will be his best IMO. A great signing for 2011-12 as I expcet we will be losing some of our young forwards (not that I have a source or anything but there is no way we will be keeping all of em).

If confirmed for next year, that is great news! :smiley:
 
@simonthetiger said:
What am I missing with this bloke??

I've watched him play and he is ok,but is he that good???

I'm a bit nonplussed about this whole shebang.

He's easily the best forward in the Super League. Has made the most metres of any player in the super league for at least the last two seasons. (I haven't checked the years before that). In one season he would become the best front rower in the world. He also has amazing ball playing abilities and great defence. Also, why wouldn't you want an all red head front row?
 
@simonthetiger said:
What am I missing with this bloke??

I've watched him play and he is ok,but is he that good???

I'm a bit nonplussed about this whole shebang.

Im a bit the same, though I was also the same re: Ellis when we'd signed him and i watched him during the intl series before he started here….he turned out OK
Graham went well last start though, granted it was v PNG but he went all day and kept going.
 
@simonthetiger said:
What am I missing with this bloke??

I've watched him play and he is ok,but is he that good???

I'm a bit nonplussed about this whole shebang.

That was my reaction to Ellis but I was proved wrong on that score.
 
@Scorcher said:
Friend of a friend overheard Player Manager discussing James Graham and the Tigers. received the info via text so not sure if its just a rumour or not.

good enough for me.
 
James Graham would be what the tigers have been missing for years a consistent metre maker who can off load when the opportunity arises. From what I have seen he knows when to make the metres and when to pass, I believe he is worth 6-10 points a game which going on last year sees us as premiers.
Having a forward who is capable of both gaining ground and getting momemtum can really turn a game and this bloke does do that, Greg Inglis maybe a star but I would take James Graham over him any day.
 
Ellis turned out ok….High-light of the off season to date....priceless..LOL
 
I think we should put our $$$ into our young players IMO we don't need graham ATM but if we have signed him already I'm not gonna whinge!
 
@IronTiger said:
The bunnies surely cannot buy anyone else

why not? the cap allows for unlimited 3rd party agreements - this is the way all clubs will go - their top 5 to 10 players will be on minimal cap money and large 3rd party agreements freeing up cap money to keep younger players. Funny how not that long ago Gallop told the Tigers Benji would be assessed at market rate when he was going to rugby then coming back on minimum wage - and yet brisbane have been doing it for years and now rusty has jumped on to the bandwaggon so its suddenly all sweet.
 
@diedpretty said:
@IronTiger said:
The bunnies surely cannot buy anyone else

why not? the cap allows for unlimited 3rd party agreements - this is the way all clubs will go - their top 5 to 10 players will be on minimal cap money and large 3rd party agreements freeing up cap money to keep younger players. Funny how not that long ago Gallop told the Tigers Benji would be assessed at market rate when he was going to rugby then coming back on minimum wage - and yet brisbane have been doing it for years and now rusty has jumped on to the bandwaggon so its suddenly all sweet.

what else would you epect from news ltd puppets. bring on the new regime and give gallop and his cronies the flick once and for all. as for sowffs, brisbane, storm … rubbish does have a smell to it thats for sure.
 
@diedpretty said:
@IronTiger said:
The bunnies surely cannot buy anyone else

why not? the cap allows for unlimited 3rd party agreements - this is the way all clubs will go - their top 5 to 10 players will be on minimal cap money and large 3rd party agreements freeing up cap money to keep younger players. Funny how not that long ago Gallop told the Tigers Benji would be assessed at market rate when he was going to rugby then coming back on minimum wage - and yet brisbane have been doing it for years and now rusty has jumped on to the bandwaggon so its suddenly all sweet.

I thought you still had to pay a player market value though?
 
@Kaiser said:
@diedpretty said:
@IronTiger said:
The bunnies surely cannot buy anyone else

why not? the cap allows for unlimited 3rd party agreements - this is the way all clubs will go - their top 5 to 10 players will be on minimal cap money and large 3rd party agreements freeing up cap money to keep younger players. Funny how not that long ago Gallop told the Tigers Benji would be assessed at market rate when he was going to rugby then coming back on minimum wage - and yet brisbane have been doing it for years and now rusty has jumped on to the bandwaggon so its suddenly all sweet.

I thought you still had to pay a player market value though?

Lockyer at a registered salary of $175K (with true total earnings of $1M+) has set the precedent against that!
 
@diedpretty said:
why not? the cap allows for unlimited 3rd party agreements - this is the way all clubs will go - .

Not entirely true. There is a limit (cant remember the amount but not that much) on 3rd party agreements if there can be shown a link to the club. 3rd party agreements are unlimited if there is absolutely no link between the club and the third party, so no sponsors, suppliers, relatives, parent companies etc. In effect however there is a limit to this "unlimited" 3rd party agreement because if the 3rd party truly has no link to the club, what incentive do they have to provide the money? Of course Company A can use the player for endorsements however the club has to walk a fine line between fostering these unlinked 3rd party agreements and cannabilising their own sponsorship. By this I mean that if a club can get a company to agree to be a unlinked 3rd party for a player, they could be also using that money as sponsorship therefor eit effectively reduces the overall sponsorship available to the club.

So these 3rd party agreements are really only valuable to the club IF the club already has garnered sufficient revenue through sponsorship to cover the running of the club for the full salary cap amount…THEN after that they can get unlinked 3rd parties to top up.

Glenn
 
@Glennb said:
@diedpretty said:
why not? the cap allows for unlimited 3rd party agreements - this is the way all clubs will go - .

Not entirely true. There is a limit (cant remember the amount but not that much) on 3rd party agreements if there can be shown a link to the club. 3rd party agreements are unlimited if there is absolutely no link between the club and the third party, so no sponsors, suppliers, relatives, parent companies etc. In effect however there is a limit to this "unlimited" 3rd party agreement because if the 3rd party truly has no link to the club, what incentive do they have to provide the money? Of course Company A can use the player for endorsements however the club has to walk a fine line between fostering these unlinked 3rd party agreements and cannabilising their own sponsorship. By this I mean that if a club can get a company to agree to be a unlinked 3rd party for a player, they could be also using that money as sponsorship therefor eit effectively reduces the overall sponsorship available to the club.

So these 3rd party agreements are really only valuable to the club IF the club already has garnered sufficient revenue through sponsorship to cover the running of the club for the full salary cap amount…THEN after that they can get unlinked 3rd parties to top up.

Glenn

Money in is still Money In (Very deep I know)

The largest expense of a NRL club would be wages of players I would imagine.

If player A is paid 150K from official sponsorship and Topped off by 300K per annum by an unlinked 3rd part deal.

Then the club club would be ecstatic! Same player, who cares where on the books it is.

PS I have copied this to http://www.weststigersforum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=5921" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Titled Salary Cap - 2011 We should get back on Thread….
 
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