OFFICIAL Jarome Luai - #295

mtd#2 said:
Not quite sure how that works...
If it's someone not close to the club, they obviously aren't there to witness what's going on.. so how can they comment?
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I didn’t say not close to the club. I said objective.
Let’s hear from those that have been here a few years.
 
Tucker said:
I didn’t say not close to the club. I said objective.
Let’s hear from those that have been here a few years.
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Benji and API have been here since the start of the 2023 season, Richo also joined that year.

Who's left then, Twal, Douhei, Seyfarth, Pole, Staines, Naden? What makes them more objective? If not them, then who fits the build of being close enough but remains objective? Lachlan? 🤣
 
mtd#2 said:
Benji and API have been here since the start of the 2023 season, Richo also joined that year.

Who's left then, Twal, Douhei, Seyfarth, Pole, Staines, Naden? What makes them more objective? If not them, then who fits the build of being close enough but remains objective? Lachlan? 🤣
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The ones you named are fine.
Api and Benji have brought us a heap of failure and are buddy buddy with Luai. They are not objective.
 
Tucker said:
You are missing the point.
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No, I get the point you are trying to make. But you're making assumptions that others arent close to Luai and that they'd be more objective.

Before Luai: 3 consecutive spoons
After Luai: 8 competition points and +80 differential clear of the spoon.

Is that all Luai? Obviously not.. has Luai played a part? Well if the CEO, Coach, Captain and one of the top performing players are saying so , it holds weight.
 
Tucker said:
We brought some handy players to the club other than Luai who have been pretty helpful. May, Turuva, Skelton and May have all been good to great.
Adam Doueihi took his chance.
Bula kept improving as did Twal and the Fainu triumvirate.
Toa has been great in spurts, especially at the start of the year.
Losing Galvin certainly helped as he stifles our play.
I’m not saying he hasn’t had some influence - of course he has. Well over a million dollars worth? Not for mine, let’s see what next year brings.
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As always- I find myself agreeing with a lot of what you say.

Thing is with Luai, he is (likely) fairly responsible for the quality of the recruitment. Players want to play with good players. The May's for sure.

Is his PLAY worth $1m? Probably not. Is his effect worth $1m? I'd argue it is.
 
For all luai's adlib plays he rarely seems to make errors. I think that doesn't get much of a mention. Passing is always excellent and he usually sets up players around him well. Long kicking is accurate and short kicking is ridiculously good (why doesn't he do it more?). The only issue for luai is having more influence on the time, but I feel like he's become more dominant as the season's gone on. I think we underrate him. Yeah, not worth 1.2 mil, but we were always going to have to pay more and he's definitely a top tier half in the league.
 
mtd#2 said:
No, I get the point you are trying to make. But you're making assumptions that others arent close to Luai and that they'd be more objective.

Before Luai: 3 consecutive spoons
After Luai: 8 competition points and +80 differential clear of the spoon.

Is that all Luai? Obviously not.. has Luai played a part? Well if the CEO, Coach, Captain and one of the top performing players are saying so , it holds weight.
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Of course he has played a part.
He was a member of the best club side ever and saw how it’s done he lived it.
It just doesn’t appear he is that great at translating.
He, and we, need Cleary to make it work.
 
The Chad said:
As always- I find myself agreeing with a lot of what you say.

Thing is with Luai, he is (likely) fairly responsible for the quality of the recruitment. Players want to play with good players. The May's for sure.

Is his PLAY worth $1m? Probably not. Is his effect worth $1m? I'd argue it is.
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I concede that point. He is a big name player who attracts others. I just hoped he would have had our attack reasonably well organised. Maybe a second off season can bring that?
 
Tucker said:
I concede that point. He is a big name player who attracts others. I just hoped he would have had our attack reasonably well organised. Maybe a second off season can bring that?
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I have to imagine that a settled spine, more go forward & better strike out wide- practiced together over the off season- should smooth things out.

I wonder how much Luai's 'better play' has actually coincided with Taylan May's 1st grade play? It also seems that Samuela almost broke out of his funk around that time too.

A lot was attributed to Doueihi, and I believe rightfully, stepping in at 7- but I suspect Taylan May's impact as a runner- the questions he raises in the defence- might play their part too.

Regardless- we are a much better quality side this season. I think we look better next season. And with Makasini HOPEFULLY achieving & deserving some 1st grade action, we might have even greater impact.

Funny thing- some people just attract winning. I think Luai might be that kind of character.
 
The Chad said:
I wonder how much Luai's 'better play' has actually coincided with Taylan May's 1st grade play? It also seems that Samuela almost broke out of his funk around that time too.
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It is no coincidence as all 3 now attract the attention of the defensive line when together, which in turn allows each of them the opportunity to shine or beat their opposites. Whereas previously, Samuela and Jarome basically had 3 defenders concentrating on the pair of them with Doueihi's lack of speed off the mark not being much of a danger.

I didn’t want Taylan up until the moment that I learnt he had begun to seriously deal with his mental demons, and was glad that the club felt similarly. I have though since welcomed both him and the improvement his presence has allowed for our left edge as a whole.
 
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Tucker said:
Only at Penrith.
Losing strike rates at Tigers, NSW and Samoa
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I'd be curious to see if his Penrith win strike rate increased the longer he played. It could then be argued that we are in the infancy stages at the Tigers.

Samoa would have been coming from a low start base too. What percentage increase in success have they had since he's been in the squad?

NSW is a 50-50 coin toss... 😀
 
Actually- did a little digging.

In 2019, when he first played significant time, his win percentage was 54%. 2020 up to 87%, 2021 up to 92% & 2022 up to 95%.

In 2023 it dropped to 77% & increased in 2024 to 79%.

So, those 2 years aside, his win ratio increases the longer he plays.

Interestingly- the 2 years it dropped- just happen to coincide with Api Koroisau joining the Tigers.

Api's career is longer, but switching to the Tigers he started at 19%, then 27% & this year 38%.

Point being- while they are not competition winning numbers- they do show that they appear to both improve the winning chances of the teams they play for over time.

Luai is at 40% & Api at 38% this year. If those numbers are up 10-15% next season, is the investment proving worthwhile?
 
The Chad said:
Actually- did a little digging.

In 2019, when he first played significant time, his win percentage was 54%. 2020 up to 87%, 2021 up to 92% & 2022 up to 95%.

In 2023 it dropped to 77% & increased in 2024 to 79%.

So, those 2 years aside, his win ratio increases the longer he plays.

Interestingly- the 2 years it dropped- just happen to coincide with Api Koroisau joining the Tigers.

Api's career is longer, but switching to the Tigers he started at 19%, then 27% & this year 38%.

Point being- while they are not competition winning numbers- they do show that they appear to both improve the winning chances of the teams they play for over time.

Luai is at 40% & Api at 38% this year. If those numbers are up 10-15% next season, is the investment proving worthwhile?
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No
 
The Chad said:
Actually- did a little digging.

In 2019, when he first played significant time, his win percentage was 54%. 2020 up to 87%, 2021 up to 92% & 2022 up to 95%.

In 2023 it dropped to 77% & increased in 2024 to 79%.

So, those 2 years aside, his win ratio increases the longer he plays.

Interestingly- the 2 years it dropped- just happen to coincide with Api Koroisau joining the Tigers.

Api's career is longer, but switching to the Tigers he started at 19%, then 27% & this year 38%.

Point being- while they are not competition winning numbers- they do show that they appear to both improve the winning chances of the teams they play for over time.

Luai is at 40% & Api at 38% this year. If those numbers are up 10-15% next season, is the investment proving worthwhile?
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Depends on who you ask.
 
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