has anyone seen the interview with JT on the web site. I could only describe it as man speak with fork tongue. he states that last week the team needed to do more with the football and be more attacking. well JT if that is the case and u wanted them to play attacking football u are the coach send out ur runners and tell them that. the bloke talks in complete riddles, and really says nothing other than we have to work harder on are defence, JT u have had a full of season and 11 weeks of the season and it is only just better than before yet we not allowed to pass the football around. yet u state in a interview we need to do more to win last weeks game, as i said at the start u speak with fork tongue.
Jason taylor on tigers web site
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AmericanHistoryX
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sorry bp tiger - what do you mean JT has had a full season??
foreveratiger
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@AmericanHistoryX said:
A Full Off Season to work with the Squad ( November 2014 - February 2015)
supercoach
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I think JT has been through hell the past few weeks,lets face it he has probably had to watch the video of the knights and cowboys game on numerous occasions. I mean it screwed me having had to watch the games once. No wonder he is talking with forked tongue
AmericanHistoryX
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thanks ft - got it
foreveratiger
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@supercoach said:
It seems he's that confused he doesn't know where to start . At the moment he has to improvise from the squad he's got .
Once he gets to sign the players he wants there is no hiding there .
AmericanHistoryX
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that will be a different story i dare say -
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dave_farrell
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i personally found the interview painful, all he could do is talk defence, when the question came up about attack he turned it straight back to defence..to win a footy game u still need to score more points then the opposition i thought, the only time we looked good last week was when we threw the ball around
http://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2015/05/29/_2015_update_with_ja.html
Link to the interview…
Transcript...
Wests Tigers Digital caught up with NRL Head Coach Jason Taylor for a 2015 season update heading into the Club's Round 12 bye this weekend.
See what Taylor had to say about the Club's recent performances, reasons behind a focus on defence, attacking structures and much more in the in-depth interview above.
See a full transcript of the mid-season update with Coach Jason Taylor below.
**A disappointing result against the Cowboys: what do you take out of that game?**
It was a disappointing result. To not score any points in that game was really disappointing and it wasn’t good enough. We needed to throw more attack at the Cowboys and we needed to come up with some points. We were close to scoring on a number of occasions but we didn’t get those points and as the game wore on, we needed to come up with some more attack. We will keep working on that. However, as I have said since the game it was really good in regards to our defence and as a Club we should be really pleased that we held the Cowboys to only one try. I know people will say that they had players out (through Origin) but it wasn’t as though they nearly scored a number of tries and we saved them, they didn’t look like scoring at all. Our defence was really good in the game.
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**You’ve spoken a lot this year about the extra emphasis on defence, what has led to having that extra focus?**
Defence is number one for us because we have been really, really poor in the past. Looking at the past few seasons, we’ve conceded 110 tries last year which was last in the competition and funnily enough the year before in 2013 we conceded 120 tries which wasn’t last because Parramatta were worse but that is really, really bad. We’ve got to change that and if you want to be in the top eight in the NRL you need to get yourself up the ladder as far as the defensive performances go.
It was 2005 when Wests Tigers last won the competition and that was the last time that a team who were better in attack than defence won the competition. It has been 10 years now and we need to improve our defence. If we don’t do that we will remain at the bottom of the ladder. We can continue to work on our attack all we like, but if we don’t improve our defence we won’t get up the ladder and we need to start that right now.
**How do you feel our defence has been so far, 11 weeks in to the competition?**
The reason that the weekend’s game was so good in defence was simply because we only conceded one try. We conceded one try twice previously this year against the Dragons in Round 2 and Parramatta in Round 5\. That means in three games this year we’ve kept the opposition to one try only. Now over the last few years we have only done that twice; we did it once last year and once the year before. So to do that three times in 11 games means that we are making progress.
However, a number of the other games that you would remember pretty vividly are the Canberra match, that is up there with our worst performances defensively and we looked like a team who couldn’t defend in that game; the New Zealand game, the Roosters game and the Knights game. Although we’ve made improvements, in those four games we went back to really, really poor defence. So leading into the Cowboys game, that’s why we had to get back on the horse and we really had to work hard on our defence. We didn’t not work on our attack and we didn’t deliberately say let’s not attack at all, that was just how the game went. But the effort that the guys put in to their defence in that game was enormous and it got us back to defending somewhere near the level that we want. If we can keep that up, and this our challenge, if we can keep that defence up for the remainder of the year and add some attack to it then we will be really competitive for the remainder of the year. If we don’t, if we continue to focus on attack and defend like we did in those games that I mentioned, then we won’t compete for the top eight. We will be no chance.
**What have you made of the attack so far this year then?**
We have had some really great games. I think the Canberra game is a really good example, the way we attacked in the first 20 minutes of that game was superb. It was as good as anybody has done this season but we accompanied that with really poor defence.
The problem is that you can’t attack with this really flamboyant style and think you can defend really stoutly, particularly when you’re just starting out on this journey of improving our defence. I’m not saying we want to ‘dumb down’ our attack, but we must put the emphasis and effort into our defence. So across the course of the season we have seen some really good attack and I still think we are getting better regardless of last week’s performance. But defence still has to be number one and what we are looking at down the track is for us to be a great defensive team and a great attacking team along with it. But we can’t put the cart before the horse here, we have always been able to attack and we can’t keep practicing this flamboyancy and thinking that we can toughen up in defence. We need to toughen up as a team, we need to play a tougher style of footy if we want to compete with the best teams and that’s the path we are going down.
**Five games coming up after this weekend’s bye, four of them are at home, what are you looking to see in that block there from the players?**
It’s really clear that we want to take the defence from last week’s game and we want to carry it forward throughout the remainder of the season. A lot of comparisons have been made to where we are right now compared to this time last year and that’s great because we can really only compare ourselves to ourselves. Now while at this point last season we had two more wins and were sitting better on the ladder, we had conceded more tries than we have right now. So with the defensive goals that we’ve got, the fact that we have conceded less tries at this point means that we’ve improved in the area that we want to improve in first and foremost.
Having said that, from about now until the end of the season last year was really poor from a defensive perspective. While we are only just ahead on last year at the moment defensively, the remainder of the year is where we get to make our biggest inroads. It’s where we get the chance to really prove that we are heading in the right direction and that we are taking the team in a direction that is going to have us competitive, and I mean genuinely competitive and competing for top eight and then top four positions. We get that chance in what we do over the next 13 games. These 11 games have been a big learning curve for us but what we with the next 13 are really important. People will know and will see in probably another six games where we are heading as a team. I’m hopeful that it’s going to be clearly an improvement but it’s not easy, this is not easy, we are comparing ourselves to ourselves because that’s all we can do and the facts are that in the last 15 years as far as semi-finals go, we have been the worst performing Club. We have made the semi-finals less than every other Club in the competition over the last 15 years which is the term that we have been in the competition. We need to change that; it starts with toughening up, it’s starts with defending tougher and for longer periods - for 80-minute periods, it’s as simple as that. Once we get that happening we will see some of our attack come back into our game, I’m not saying that you won’t see our attack next game, we are still working hard on our attack but I’m not shying away from this defensive emphasis because the reason we have performed so poorly over those 15 years has been because our defence just hasn’t been good enough.
Link to the interview…
Transcript...
Wests Tigers Digital caught up with NRL Head Coach Jason Taylor for a 2015 season update heading into the Club's Round 12 bye this weekend.
See what Taylor had to say about the Club's recent performances, reasons behind a focus on defence, attacking structures and much more in the in-depth interview above.
See a full transcript of the mid-season update with Coach Jason Taylor below.
**A disappointing result against the Cowboys: what do you take out of that game?**
It was a disappointing result. To not score any points in that game was really disappointing and it wasn’t good enough. We needed to throw more attack at the Cowboys and we needed to come up with some points. We were close to scoring on a number of occasions but we didn’t get those points and as the game wore on, we needed to come up with some more attack. We will keep working on that. However, as I have said since the game it was really good in regards to our defence and as a Club we should be really pleased that we held the Cowboys to only one try. I know people will say that they had players out (through Origin) but it wasn’t as though they nearly scored a number of tries and we saved them, they didn’t look like scoring at all. Our defence was really good in the game.
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**You’ve spoken a lot this year about the extra emphasis on defence, what has led to having that extra focus?**
Defence is number one for us because we have been really, really poor in the past. Looking at the past few seasons, we’ve conceded 110 tries last year which was last in the competition and funnily enough the year before in 2013 we conceded 120 tries which wasn’t last because Parramatta were worse but that is really, really bad. We’ve got to change that and if you want to be in the top eight in the NRL you need to get yourself up the ladder as far as the defensive performances go.
It was 2005 when Wests Tigers last won the competition and that was the last time that a team who were better in attack than defence won the competition. It has been 10 years now and we need to improve our defence. If we don’t do that we will remain at the bottom of the ladder. We can continue to work on our attack all we like, but if we don’t improve our defence we won’t get up the ladder and we need to start that right now.
**How do you feel our defence has been so far, 11 weeks in to the competition?**
The reason that the weekend’s game was so good in defence was simply because we only conceded one try. We conceded one try twice previously this year against the Dragons in Round 2 and Parramatta in Round 5\. That means in three games this year we’ve kept the opposition to one try only. Now over the last few years we have only done that twice; we did it once last year and once the year before. So to do that three times in 11 games means that we are making progress.
However, a number of the other games that you would remember pretty vividly are the Canberra match, that is up there with our worst performances defensively and we looked like a team who couldn’t defend in that game; the New Zealand game, the Roosters game and the Knights game. Although we’ve made improvements, in those four games we went back to really, really poor defence. So leading into the Cowboys game, that’s why we had to get back on the horse and we really had to work hard on our defence. We didn’t not work on our attack and we didn’t deliberately say let’s not attack at all, that was just how the game went. But the effort that the guys put in to their defence in that game was enormous and it got us back to defending somewhere near the level that we want. If we can keep that up, and this our challenge, if we can keep that defence up for the remainder of the year and add some attack to it then we will be really competitive for the remainder of the year. If we don’t, if we continue to focus on attack and defend like we did in those games that I mentioned, then we won’t compete for the top eight. We will be no chance.
**What have you made of the attack so far this year then?**
We have had some really great games. I think the Canberra game is a really good example, the way we attacked in the first 20 minutes of that game was superb. It was as good as anybody has done this season but we accompanied that with really poor defence.
The problem is that you can’t attack with this really flamboyant style and think you can defend really stoutly, particularly when you’re just starting out on this journey of improving our defence. I’m not saying we want to ‘dumb down’ our attack, but we must put the emphasis and effort into our defence. So across the course of the season we have seen some really good attack and I still think we are getting better regardless of last week’s performance. But defence still has to be number one and what we are looking at down the track is for us to be a great defensive team and a great attacking team along with it. But we can’t put the cart before the horse here, we have always been able to attack and we can’t keep practicing this flamboyancy and thinking that we can toughen up in defence. We need to toughen up as a team, we need to play a tougher style of footy if we want to compete with the best teams and that’s the path we are going down.
**Five games coming up after this weekend’s bye, four of them are at home, what are you looking to see in that block there from the players?**
It’s really clear that we want to take the defence from last week’s game and we want to carry it forward throughout the remainder of the season. A lot of comparisons have been made to where we are right now compared to this time last year and that’s great because we can really only compare ourselves to ourselves. Now while at this point last season we had two more wins and were sitting better on the ladder, we had conceded more tries than we have right now. So with the defensive goals that we’ve got, the fact that we have conceded less tries at this point means that we’ve improved in the area that we want to improve in first and foremost.
Having said that, from about now until the end of the season last year was really poor from a defensive perspective. While we are only just ahead on last year at the moment defensively, the remainder of the year is where we get to make our biggest inroads. It’s where we get the chance to really prove that we are heading in the right direction and that we are taking the team in a direction that is going to have us competitive, and I mean genuinely competitive and competing for top eight and then top four positions. We get that chance in what we do over the next 13 games. These 11 games have been a big learning curve for us but what we with the next 13 are really important. People will know and will see in probably another six games where we are heading as a team. I’m hopeful that it’s going to be clearly an improvement but it’s not easy, this is not easy, we are comparing ourselves to ourselves because that’s all we can do and the facts are that in the last 15 years as far as semi-finals go, we have been the worst performing Club. We have made the semi-finals less than every other Club in the competition over the last 15 years which is the term that we have been in the competition. We need to change that; it starts with toughening up, it’s starts with defending tougher and for longer periods - for 80-minute periods, it’s as simple as that. Once we get that happening we will see some of our attack come back into our game, I’m not saying that you won’t see our attack next game, we are still working hard on our attack but I’m not shying away from this defensive emphasis because the reason we have performed so poorly over those 15 years has been because our defence just hasn’t been good enough.
Eye_Of_Da_Tiger
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He should be employed as,our defensive coach. Oh wow I really think this guy is more stubborn than Sheenius. Look at our roster, this is not a team that can win on defensive efforts only. We need to play to our strenghths not away from them.Defence should be thought not dictated.
jirskyr
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This is gonna be another 50/50, a forum divider.
I think he directly addressed many of the concerns I've read on here about gameplan and attack. He clearly says defence comes first; you don't turn attack off but defence is the focus.
He also made the great point, games like vs Raiders, we attacked liked demons for 20 mins and then fell apart in the last 60.
I'm defending the bloke in multiple threads, only in so far as he's had one pre-season, 11 games and next to no input on recruitment. Somehow he is supposed to have fixed our long-term issues, by making us a better defensive team whilst retaining the attack. Or perhaps, don't stifle the attack in our attempts to make defence improved.
Bearing in mind, all the while, that we don't actually know what the attack plan is for sure. We only know what we see being executed on-field, by two very young play-makers.
Because somehow Taylor is to blame for the rubbish attack vs Knights and Cowboys, but he gets no credit for the awesome attack we fielded for periods against Doggies, Dragons, Raiders, Eels.
At the very least, watching the video, surely you can see Taylor has a long-term strategy and it is based on facts, on actual performances from previous seasons. Maybe it's the wrong strategy, maybe we will find out he can't make it work. But surely it's too early to call that?
And don't tell me teams like Storm and Dragons in 2015 don't play one-dimensional football much of the time, sticking to very tight structures until they earn field position. Tell me Roosters don't take 5 1-outs and a kick to the sideline when they are taking the set out of their own 20.
I think he directly addressed many of the concerns I've read on here about gameplan and attack. He clearly says defence comes first; you don't turn attack off but defence is the focus.
He also made the great point, games like vs Raiders, we attacked liked demons for 20 mins and then fell apart in the last 60.
I'm defending the bloke in multiple threads, only in so far as he's had one pre-season, 11 games and next to no input on recruitment. Somehow he is supposed to have fixed our long-term issues, by making us a better defensive team whilst retaining the attack. Or perhaps, don't stifle the attack in our attempts to make defence improved.
Bearing in mind, all the while, that we don't actually know what the attack plan is for sure. We only know what we see being executed on-field, by two very young play-makers.
Because somehow Taylor is to blame for the rubbish attack vs Knights and Cowboys, but he gets no credit for the awesome attack we fielded for periods against Doggies, Dragons, Raiders, Eels.
At the very least, watching the video, surely you can see Taylor has a long-term strategy and it is based on facts, on actual performances from previous seasons. Maybe it's the wrong strategy, maybe we will find out he can't make it work. But surely it's too early to call that?
And don't tell me teams like Storm and Dragons in 2015 don't play one-dimensional football much of the time, sticking to very tight structures until they earn field position. Tell me Roosters don't take 5 1-outs and a kick to the sideline when they are taking the set out of their own 20.
stevetiger
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@jirskyr said:
I don't think that this is true at all. I think he is spinning stories all over the place in an effort to deflect attention away from his poor performance so far.
I don't think its a long term plan at all. Its his plan right now and its not working. I'd prefer it if he just admitted it rather than blaming previous players and coaches for his failings. He has said a bunch of classless stuff like this since he got here. He should accept the reality of the situation which is that he has to perform. His excuses aren't going to matter if we don't start winning games.
i agree with him to some extent.
we're not SOLELY focusing on defence. we're building a team around defence, cause guess what only 1 team has won it on attack in the last 10 years and that was us in 05\. It won't be happening again.
our attacking plays were executed poorly on the weekend. JT simply wants us to build a defence structure first, while still obviously putting some effort into attack. Once we have that foundation we can work on getting the team to 'click' and have some fluency. Right now having fluency won't get us much further than we are right now in the long run. Defence WILL.
look at the dragons, everyone lamented their attack but they had their D in order. their points will come eventually. and we are way more lethal in attack in terms of potential than them, so we have even less to worry about
we're not SOLELY focusing on defence. we're building a team around defence, cause guess what only 1 team has won it on attack in the last 10 years and that was us in 05\. It won't be happening again.
our attacking plays were executed poorly on the weekend. JT simply wants us to build a defence structure first, while still obviously putting some effort into attack. Once we have that foundation we can work on getting the team to 'click' and have some fluency. Right now having fluency won't get us much further than we are right now in the long run. Defence WILL.
look at the dragons, everyone lamented their attack but they had their D in order. their points will come eventually. and we are way more lethal in attack in terms of potential than them, so we have even less to worry about
goldcoast_tiger
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@AmericanHistoryX said:
I just hope he can find someone who still wants to come here , that might be hard lol
On a serious note , if we keep going the way we are, we will have to pay overs to attract the sort of player we need, and I think we need more players than we all thought previously.
I hope that doesn't mean more Cap problems down the track , otherwise the whole crap show will start all over again.
AmericanHistoryX
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@pHyR3 said:
you make sense
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Tim Sheens
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Nine minutes plus, with seven or so being dribble.
Obviously our defence needed improvement from what was shown since about this time last season and the poor early start of 2013\. Sure, okay, but the middle period was not bad, then injury decimated the team before the Wobbie drama engulfed the club.
As far as 2012 and prior goes, what on earth does that really have to do with what is happening now, when only a handful or so of players remain and probably our better defenders. He may as well have included the statistics from his playing days, as they would have had a similar relevance for mine.
I get the need for improving our structures, particularly defence, but a history lesson to go with it, please….....
Obviously our defence needed improvement from what was shown since about this time last season and the poor early start of 2013\. Sure, okay, but the middle period was not bad, then injury decimated the team before the Wobbie drama engulfed the club.
As far as 2012 and prior goes, what on earth does that really have to do with what is happening now, when only a handful or so of players remain and probably our better defenders. He may as well have included the statistics from his playing days, as they would have had a similar relevance for mine.
I get the need for improving our structures, particularly defence, but a history lesson to go with it, please….....
king_sirro
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The thing that worries me is talking to a Souths supporter and he said he could barely watch souths when Taylor was coach they were so boring. They made the finals for the first time in god knows how long and he struggled to watch. That's a concern that it won't get better
cqtiger
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@foreveratiger said:
When do we ever get the players we want?
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happy_tiger
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@cqtiger said:
In our dreams ,that's about it
Seriously though JT had to start somewhere , and it took the Dragons about a month to sort their defence out
littletiger
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@stevetiger said:
You ignore or the facts that wt have been the worst defenders in the comp and the best defenders have been winning premierships and you expect a coach to come into our club and fix our defence, fix our salary cap, and make the finals in one season.
Your delusional mate maybe being a wt fan has finally got to you..
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