Jason Taylor ...THREAD...

[Liddy]

There seems to be calls for the Team to have changes made to it after the Canberra debacle, but in reality, how much say has JT got in team selections??

If he can't have the Team he wants, then he should come out and say so….

It would place him in a better light that what he is in now.

 

[Harvey]

I would have thought that there was already pressure on Taylor and that this had skyrocketed as a a result of the Raiders loss. Surely many things should be questioned, not just the teams lack of effort against Canberra. We can all cite his appalling team selections as just one other area where he falls down.

Exceptionally well put

It would be good to be able to separate rumours from facts. E.g Milone gets picked due to external influences. If this is true, it would not be Taylor's decision, but rather a directive. No experienced coach would cop this. Are there directives to pick other players because of the impact dropping them would have on negotiations with them or their mates?

 

[tiger05premier]

I do feel for Taylor. I have never been a fan of his and never wanted him as our coach. But once he was appointed I hoped with all my heart it would work out. He came to the tiger's with the goal of turning this club into a mentally and physically strong competitive NRL team and has really worked his butt off to try and achieve it. But that culture in our club that sees 1 or 2 or even a handful of players not like the coach leads to the coach having to bow to the demands of the players. If the players just followed instructions and played to the plans instead of thinking they know it all we could of worked our way up slowly to a more entertaining style of football with a better understanding of being able to grind out a game when needed. Instead the coach was forced ( well so it seems) to change tactics to keep certain players happy and slowly but surely we are turning into a shambles. Yes Taylor probably needs to go now but the players need to be told in no uncertain terms what is expected of them as employees of the club. The players really need to grow up and stop sulking every time a decision is made that they don't like, you never know they just might learn something if they listen and follow through with the instructions and think gee I really don't know everything.

 

[Cosimo_Zaretti]

Of course he can't have the team he wants, they play for other clubs. This team is worth far less than the salary cap, hopefully this is the end of the back ended rubbish and in future years we can sign first graders, but this year was always going to be rough.

What would be gained by publicly death riding the current squad? He's not going to get a better one just by whinging. JT could swap reserve graders around every week, but the answer isn't hiding in NSW cup. There is no great conspiracy to hold talent back we just don't have the cattle.

 

[hobbo]

The name of this post should be changed. Tigers CEO has emphasised that Taylor is signed until the end of 2017 and has categorically stated in the media that Jason Taylor is not going anywhere and will definitely be coaching Wests Tigers Wests Tigers at least until the end of this season.

Can we ever get any good news? What has happened to Elijah Taylor moving to Wests Tigers this season. Surely all this continuous silent bickering between Farah and Taylor coupled with the resulting general loss of interest shown by all our first grade players has and will continue to turn away any possible quality recruitment away from the club. This club continues to go down the drain thanks largely to Taylor and Farah's toxic effect on club spirit and pride.

The toxic effect was here long before Jt arrived.
Farah is the toxic component.

Where is the proof ? Can you tell that from watching them play or is it something you just made up ?

Paul Gallen even said a couple of years ago that Farah is a sook , no one will room with him in Origin camp .
I've even spoke to current NRL players who all say that Farah isn't very well respected amongst the NRL playing community ..

 

[magpiecol]

In stating all of that I'm concerned we are overpaying certain players. Farah is an obvious one. I'm worried there are others.

More than the coach, more than bludging players, this is out biggest problem. We've overspent on certain players so we can't afford to replace them. Lawrence, Farah, Sirro & the Bros.

I think so as well. Farah is the clear example - we are paying something like $900k for a player that is probably worth half that at best. That is $400k that could be spent on another player.

It's also what we don't know. I remember someone at the club stating that Woods and Robbie were our marquee players. Woods isn't a marquee player.

Of course he is. One of the top two props in the country.

 

[Fordy20]

I disagree. Drinkwater, JAC and MCK put on 40 points between them. We could do worse than dumping Rankin, Milone and Brooks for those guys.

 

[Harvey]

In stating all of that I'm concerned we are overpaying certain players. Farah is an obvious one. I'm worried there are others.

More than the coach, more than bludging players, this is out biggest problem. We've overspent on certain players so we can't afford to replace them. Lawrence, Farah, Sirro & the Bros.

I think so as well. Farah is the clear example - we are paying something like $900k for a player that is probably worth half that at best. That is $400k that could be spent on another player.

It's also what we don't know. I remember someone at the club stating that Woods and Robbie were our marquee players. Woods isn't a marquee player.

Of course he is. One of the top two props in the country.

He is a top player. Makes plenty of metres and does lots of work, but does not hit particularly hard and does give away a number of silly penalties

 

[stevetiger]

The name of this post should be changed. Tigers CEO has emphasised that Taylor is signed until the end of 2017 and has categorically stated in the media that Jason Taylor is not going anywhere and will definitely be coaching Wests Tigers Wests Tigers at least until the end of this season.

Can we ever get any good news? What has happened to Elijah Taylor moving to Wests Tigers this season. Surely all this continuous silent bickering between Farah and Taylor coupled with the resulting general loss of interest shown by all our first grade players has and will continue to turn away any possible quality recruitment away from the club. This club continues to go down the drain thanks largely to Taylor and Farah's toxic effect on club spirit and pride.

The toxic effect was here long before Jt arrived.
Farah is the toxic component.

Where is the proof ? Can you tell that from watching them play or is it something you just made up ?

Paul Gallen even said a couple of years ago that Farah is a sook , no one will room with him in Origin camp .
I've even spoke to current NRL players who all say that Farah isn't very well respected amongst the NRL playing community ..

So from this we are supposed to believe that Robbie is toxic and he impacts the club spirit and pride ? I'm not buying it.

I am definitely not a Robbie fan. I think he is overpaid and he isn't playing anywhere near the level that we need him to play at but I don't believe that Robbie is toxic at all. I think he has been our best playmaker and one of our best defenders this season.

 

[stevetiger]

In stating all of that I'm concerned we are overpaying certain players. Farah is an obvious one. I'm worried there are others.

More than the coach, more than bludging players, this is out biggest problem. We've overspent on certain players so we can't afford to replace them. Lawrence, Farah, Sirro & the Bros.

I think so as well. Farah is the clear example - we are paying something like $900k for a player that is probably worth half that at best. That is $400k that could be spent on another player.

It's also what we don't know. I remember someone at the club stating that Woods and Robbie were our marquee players. Woods isn't a marquee player.

Of course he is. One of the top two props in the country.

I'm not sure about that. There is no way that he is worth anywhere near the level of the top players in the game. Maybe we aren't overpaying him but I wouldn't be surprised if we are.

 

[stevetiger]

No - his hands are definitely not tied. He has enjoyed a lot of support from the board/club management since he has been here. If anything he has enjoyed too much unconditional support.

I think he deserves support but in the form of working with him for instance to help him last year especially with his media commitments and being told how to handle Robbie and his too large contract.

 

[Russell]

Our squad is not very very average and if it is it's because players aren't performing to their ability.

Woods, Farah & Tedesco should all be elite players. Simona, Naiqama, Nofoluama, Grant, Lawrence, Sue & Halatau are all proven NRL players. Brooks and Moses are meant to be 2 of the better prospects in the game.

I think our squad needs some changes and some better players bought in but I don't think it is so far off. I think the issue is we need a couple of forwards and we need Brooks and Moses to kick on or replace them.

In stating all of that I'm concerned we are overpaying certain players. Farah is an obvious one. I'm worried there are others.

Well I agree Steve (don't fall over). I think if we had two aggressive hard hitting/running forwards and Ballin/Cherrington (no Farah) at dummy half, you would see a team that would be going forward and two halves playing consistently well, like we know they can. From that, all we need is the dough.

 

[Tiger_Tim]

Of course he can't have the team he wants, they play for other clubs. This team is worth far less than the salary cap, hopefully this is the end of the back ended rubbish and in future years we can sign first graders, but this year was always going to be rough.

What would be gained by publicly death riding the current squad? He's not going to get a better one just by whinging. JT could swap reserve graders around every week, but the answer isn't hiding in NSW cup. There is no great conspiracy to hold talent back we just don't have the cattle.

I totally agree Cosimo. Until we can rid ourselves of this salary cap issue we are going to struggle. I don't like JT and don't think he is the right coach for the tigers but he is the coach we have. I understand we all want him gone and to get a new coach but with the players we have i can't see this making that much of a difference. Plus we would have to pay out another contract and put ourselves in more financial strain.
I don't know the answer of how to fix this problem as every option has its distractions. The players don't seem to be responding to JT which is a big problem. If only we could get them to play for themselves and their fans and then we might see a performance we could be proud of.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I am not sure that Robbie has been our best player, he looks like he is going through the motions.

I didn't say he was our best player

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Justin Pascoe has said today that Jason Taylor will remain the coach until at least the end of 2016 :frowning:

not too big of an issue

give him the year, not much advantage ousting him now. we can look for a replacement and take our time in doing so - no need to rush it. give the new coach the whole preseason to try sort us out

Yer, waste another year next year for the new coach to find his feet. Say he doesn't have the players he wants. Stupid move, grab cleary/payten now has a chance to work with players now sign players for next season and resign players he still wants for the club!!
Yer wait until next season, dumb, dumb, dumb!!!
That's poor form if true from pascoe!

I don't know what players you think we're signing with the cap the state it's in. We can't even sign Taylor cos Lwrence's re-negotiated contract hasn't been signed off by the NRL.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

A quote from Brad Fittler.
"….....Fittler said the Tigers' problems stem from the players, not the coach. "I think there were for or five tries scored from within five or six metres (of the tryline)," Fittler said. "It doesn't show much commitment. "It is not Jason's fault. "They were not having a go there. It was just awful."

Read more at http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/2016/04/24/1 ... GvxuByH.99

NT. I apologise for the negative point that I mistakenly gave you on this post is there any way that I van change that for you, I tried to change it to a positive , but it wouldn't do that.

 

[851]

In stating all of that I'm concerned we are overpaying certain players. Farah is an obvious one. I'm worried there are others.

More than the coach, more than bludging players, this is out biggest problem. We've overspent on certain players so we can't afford to replace them. Lawrence, Farah, Sirro & the Bros.

I think so as well. Farah is the clear example - we are paying something like $900k for a player that is probably worth half that at best. That is $400k that could be spent on another player.

It's also what we don't know. I remember someone at the club stating that Woods and Robbie were our marquee players. Woods isn't a marquee player.

Of course he is. One of the top two props in the country.

In the NRL I would rate Bromwich, Tamou, Scott, Graham, JWH and probably Napa and Trbojevic
ahead of him as well, he is more like Tolman, good but not marquee.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I don't know if his hands are tied , but I hope that his car space and office is locked pretty soon

 

[Liddy]

I guess what I was referring to is if he does have control of selections and he doesn't at least make changes, then he is placing himself in the situation where he only has himself to blame.

If he does make changes, even if they are inferior players, then he is making a statement to the current players, if you won't put in a decent effort, then I'll find players who will at least have a go.

 

[Russell]

The toxic effect was here long before Jt arrived.
Farah is the toxic component.

Where is the proof ? Can you tell that from watching them play or is it something you just made up ?

Paul Gallen even said a couple of years ago that Farah is a sook , no one will room with him in Origin camp .
I've even spoke to current NRL players who all say that Farah isn't very well respected amongst the NRL playing community ..

So from this we are supposed to believe that Robbie is toxic and he impacts the club spirit and pride ? I'm not buying it.

I am definitely not a Robbie fan. I think he is overpaid and he isn't playing anywhere near the level that we need him to play at but I don't believe that Robbie is toxic at all. I think he has been our best playmaker and one of our best defenders this season.

I don't begrudge him the money he was owed, which is now taken him up to a ridiculous amount. I don't know what his current amount is - maybe 550-600k or there abouts, which would be about right when the contract was signed. I can't blame him for what the Tigers decided to pay him.

However after that is said - I do not think he is anywhere near as good as he was (looking at that highlights video package that someone posted) made that painfully obvious. He has slowed down considerably, passes slowly and badly sometimes from the dummy half and so jars the attack, continues to try and play for penalties that are not there/or given. Quite often now, takes the wrong option (i.e. goes left and not right or vv.). On the surface he is putting in, 40+ tackles but how many 40/20's have we seen attempted, kicks for the line or run around plays that we always expected - not happening.
I don't know what he is saying on/off the field (toxic comments if there are any even), and I am hoping he is not taking wrong options intentionally as a step in making the coach look bad and so get rid of another one.

Personally, as soon as Ballin is back I would be playing Farah on the bench at best, I'd prefer he wasn't around now at all.