Jason Taylor ...THREAD...
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Make no mistake we are attractive to good coaches for 2017 onwards.
We will have cash from WESTS, Cap Space with Farah signing to play 3 years in England and younger players with upside. A few astute signings and a good coach and we are bak in the top 8 race.
Taylor is the problem along with a poisoned locker room which, should be sorted with Taylor and Farah going.
We will have cash from WESTS, Cap Space with Farah signing to play 3 years in England and younger players with upside. A few astute signings and a good coach and we are bak in the top 8 race.
Taylor is the problem along with a poisoned locker room which, should be sorted with Taylor and Farah going.
@jirskyr said:
Both apparently…the Mad Butcher and Pascoe have him on speed dial..
It will start an NRL revolution..1 Coach ..2 teams..
**<big>If the Tigers board sack Jason Taylor they must resign as well</big>, writes Paul Kent
April 25, 2016 9:00pm
Paul Kent The Daily Telegraph**
WHEN Mick Potter was sacked at Wests Tigers he questioned then club management “about the reasoning” and got nothing better than “wrong place, wrong time”.
Who knows what that even meant.
It was a weak explanation for a coach who never did any less than give all he had for the club.
Even more could also be said for Tim Sheens, the coach sacked before Potter.
Nobody was more responsible for forging the joint venture into a club than Sheens and yet, when the time came, it meant nothing.
Two coaches down, same reasons.
And now Jason Taylor fights to save his career. The third coach.
The Wests Tigers is fast becoming the place where coaches go to die.
Sheens hung on to his job coaching Australia for a few seasons but has not been mentioned as a possible NRL coach since. This is despite coaching more rugby league games than anybody not named Wayne Bennett.
Potter is now an assistant at Newcastle and continues to dream.
It is Groundhog Day at Wests Tigers.
The players are not happy with the coach. The players are not performing. The coach is under pressure.
Chief executive Justin Pascoe told Telegraph readers on Monday that Taylor would not be sacked before this season is over while the Herald suggested Taylor could be sacked if, according to Pascoe, Saturday’s embarrassing loss to Canberra was “repeated”.
Taylor has two more seasons as head coach but this means little.
Potter was coaching while they were still paying a season of Sheens’ contract and when Taylor was coaching they were still paying Potter for a season.
Before Taylor was appointed I questioned, in support of Potter, whether the Wests Tigers board had the knowledge and experience to make a qualified decision on the coach.
Soon after I was at the Men of League ball when a board member spotted me.
He didn’t like what I said and told me so.
He said Taylor was far and away the most impressive candidate for the job.
Now what?
There are fractures within the club between the coach and some players and there are also fractures between the playing group.
Unhappiness has a happy breeding ground at Concord.
If the board sack Taylor they must resign as well.
This reality is possibly the only thing saving Taylor.
After all, they sacked Potter and appointed Taylor on the advice of former chief executive Grant Mayer and a mid-season review written in blood.
Some believe the review was more about finding a reason to justify sacking Potter than discovering what was actually wrong at the club.
Having staked their reputation on Taylor, they are tied to his success.
The solution lies with Pascoe. He carries no baggage of previous bad decisions and has shown the authority and integrity of the man most capable.
That is important. Missing most from the conversations at Concord is honesty.
Proper honesty.
Last year’s farcical Robbie Farah situation was never properly resolved between the coach and player despite everyone involved plastering smiles on their faces and nodding in sync and, left to rot, it rotted.
Unresolved, it has spread.
It must be fixed or eliminated, one way or another.
April 25, 2016 9:00pm
Paul Kent The Daily Telegraph**
WHEN Mick Potter was sacked at Wests Tigers he questioned then club management “about the reasoning” and got nothing better than “wrong place, wrong time”.
Who knows what that even meant.
It was a weak explanation for a coach who never did any less than give all he had for the club.
Even more could also be said for Tim Sheens, the coach sacked before Potter.
Nobody was more responsible for forging the joint venture into a club than Sheens and yet, when the time came, it meant nothing.
Two coaches down, same reasons.
And now Jason Taylor fights to save his career. The third coach.
The Wests Tigers is fast becoming the place where coaches go to die.
Sheens hung on to his job coaching Australia for a few seasons but has not been mentioned as a possible NRL coach since. This is despite coaching more rugby league games than anybody not named Wayne Bennett.
Potter is now an assistant at Newcastle and continues to dream.
It is Groundhog Day at Wests Tigers.
The players are not happy with the coach. The players are not performing. The coach is under pressure.
Chief executive Justin Pascoe told Telegraph readers on Monday that Taylor would not be sacked before this season is over while the Herald suggested Taylor could be sacked if, according to Pascoe, Saturday’s embarrassing loss to Canberra was “repeated”.
Taylor has two more seasons as head coach but this means little.
Potter was coaching while they were still paying a season of Sheens’ contract and when Taylor was coaching they were still paying Potter for a season.
Before Taylor was appointed I questioned, in support of Potter, whether the Wests Tigers board had the knowledge and experience to make a qualified decision on the coach.
Soon after I was at the Men of League ball when a board member spotted me.
He didn’t like what I said and told me so.
He said Taylor was far and away the most impressive candidate for the job.
Now what?
There are fractures within the club between the coach and some players and there are also fractures between the playing group.
Unhappiness has a happy breeding ground at Concord.
If the board sack Taylor they must resign as well.
This reality is possibly the only thing saving Taylor.
After all, they sacked Potter and appointed Taylor on the advice of former chief executive Grant Mayer and a mid-season review written in blood.
Some believe the review was more about finding a reason to justify sacking Potter than discovering what was actually wrong at the club.
Having staked their reputation on Taylor, they are tied to his success.
The solution lies with Pascoe. He carries no baggage of previous bad decisions and has shown the authority and integrity of the man most capable.
That is important. Missing most from the conversations at Concord is honesty.
Proper honesty.
Last year’s farcical Robbie Farah situation was never properly resolved between the coach and player despite everyone involved plastering smiles on their faces and nodding in sync and, left to rot, it rotted.
Unresolved, it has spread.
It must be fixed or eliminated, one way or another.
gallagher
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So Kent reckons that Pascoe has no baggage of previous bad decisions. But then points out the farah/taylor situation was left to rot. But that was done under Pascoe's watch.
A tad contradictory.
A tad contradictory.
Harvey
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I thought we just did not re-sign Potter rather than sack him. Then again the DT writes a headline and then creates a story to fill it.
Oh goody another Taylor/Farah thread…
gallagher
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@Eddie said:
Well doing nothing was never gonna work. He rode in on a white horse telling everyone he was going to sorry it out. He didn't. And we're paying for it now.
Harvey
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Previous threads suggest that Taylor has to meet benchmarks (50% wins) and if not met he can be removed come round 12 with no payout entitlement. Will be interesting to see whether he still retains the full support of the board. 50% cannot be met as best would be 5-6 (bye round 12).
@Harvey said:
Well yeah, but we all know that Meyer simply made it impossible to earn an extension so long as the position on the ladder was the only determining factor. Not being able to select your team is ridiculous. And injuries, we'll let's face it, they absolutely smashed us. It was a miracle we finished where we did. Potter deserved so much more.
gallagher
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@philgood said:
He said he was gonna sort it out. His solution was to do nothing. All talk and no action.
WestsSupporter
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Robbie Farah was the reason Mick Potter had to go.
Jason Taylor openly stated he is here to get the club in order. Have you guys forgotten this? That was the whole point of trying to offload Farah.
You do realise if we are able to get our roster and salary cap in order, regardless of our seasonal position finishings, he's done his job.
As far as I can see, he hasn't done too badly in the signings department. But the selection part is a work in process…
Jason Taylor openly stated he is here to get the club in order. Have you guys forgotten this? That was the whole point of trying to offload Farah.
You do realise if we are able to get our roster and salary cap in order, regardless of our seasonal position finishings, he's done his job.
As far as I can see, he hasn't done too badly in the signings department. But the selection part is a work in process…
In the past 4 years (2012 to current), Potter was the only coach to put together a team that looked like it could go all the way. The start of 2014 was the only the only point in recent years that I actually felt confident in our team. If he was given a proper S&C department and freedom to pick and choose players as he saw fit we would have easily made the finals in 2014\. Seriously, think about the team we would have if Potter got to stay and pick his team as he saw fit. We would have a halves combo of Austin and Brooks, Farah would be on half the contract he is on now (Potter specifically said not to sign him for more than two years), Taupau and Blair would have probably stayed.
It pisses me off he got treated the way he did.
It pisses me off he got treated the way he did.
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Professionalism is one area I would argue we struggle in off the field. But the way this season is playing out we will end up with the spoon.
