Jason Taylor's Christmas Present...

[Swordy]

I would like to make just three points.

The first, that he deserves the coaching job for 2017 for two reasons, he is contracted to the job for next year and I think he did enough with what he had this year to be granted the full year, next year.

What if the four players, Tedesco, Moses, Woods and Brooks (or maybe five with ET) want a guarantee that JT will be the coach for another 2 or three years. It would be a reasonable ask by them, if they are to sign with Wests Tigers for another three years. Do we say no - he is signed for next year and we'll look at how he is going half way through 2017\. Then watch them sign with other clubs because we cannot make any guarantees. If they don't want JT to be the coach or they don't care then we don't have that problem.

The third which Hobbo brought up (even though he is just about over this team) that JT kept picking the same poor players every week. Maybe, just maybe it may have been because of the second tier salary cap restrictions. Can you say it definitely wasn't Hobbo?

Russell..always a voice of reason. Well said.

If you want to extend beyond 2017 then there should be very clear and measurable targets that should be met. But that should be with any coach, not just JT.

Im happy enough to leave this to the current management because there us a huge difference in the way things have been run in the last 2 years as opppsed to previously. I trust so far, un like previous CEOs and boards.

 

[tigermac88]

I would like to make just three points.

The first, that he deserves the coaching job for 2017 for two reasons, he is contracted to the job for next year and I think he did enough with what he had this year to be granted the full year, next year.

What if the four players, Tedesco, Moses, Woods and Brooks (or maybe five with ET) want a guarantee that JT will be the coach for another 2 or three years. It would be a reasonable ask by them, if they are to sign with Wests Tigers for another three years. Do we say no - he is signed for next year and we'll look at how he is going half way through 2017\. Then watch them sign with other clubs because we cannot make any guarantees. If they don't want JT to be the coach or they don't care then we don't have that problem.

The third which Hobbo brought up (even though he is just about over this team) that JT kept picking the same poor players every week. Maybe, just maybe it may have been because of the second tier salary cap restrictions. Can you say it definitely wasn't Hobbo?

Just on point 3 Russ, surely during our 6 game losing streak at the start of the year their wouldn't have been 2nd tier salary cap pressure that early in the season. That was my sore point with JT that even during a long losing streak he wasn't changing the team and just picking the same guys regardless of performance

 

[ferret]

:question: So Tiger come latley, Sunshine Coast Tiger: At what point does it come down to the players performing and taking responsability? Instead of blaming Jason Taylor all the time because thats what it sounds like!
I think JT has done a fantastic job considering what he's had to work with ie very little or no salary cap room or money to spend or is that his fault as well? I remeber when he was at Souths he got them going to. Untill that unfortunate incident but thats not the subject.

 

[TCL]

:question: So Tiger come latley, Sunshine Coast Tiger: At what point does it come down to the players performing and taking responsability? Instead of blaming Jason Taylor all the time because thats what it sounds like!
I think JT has done a fantastic job considering what he's had to work with ie very little or no salary cap room or money to spend or is that his fault as well? I remeber when he was at Souths he got them going to. Untill that unfortunate incident but thats not the subject.

Hi Ferret, Your right players are part responsible for the results, but the buck stops with the coach. No club or company sacks an entire team they move the leader on.

I wouldn't go as far as saying he has done a fantastic job. I am actually one of those that said we improved and our end of season was very exciting.

Its not like he was completly hamstrung, yes he had his handicaps due to previous administrations but he knew what he was getting himself into when he took the job. And its not like we have a team of no bodies. He had at his disposal 3 state of origin players (chose not to play one), several rep players (some for second tier nations).

He did a good job at souths after the original coach was sacked (most teams improve after a coach is sacked) and we all know how his time there ended. You say thats not the subject but it actually is cause he needs to manage a team and have their trust and buy in.

I just think they shouldn't be rushing to extend his contract until the season is underway. I also think that if we are not performing midway through the year that any support he has from the top 4 (only speculation here) will quickly fade as well.

 

[Snake]

I gave Taylor a pass mark this season solely based on the talent he had to work with .. all the Taylor bashing is worth squat as far as I am concerned .If you are a serious follower of the team and the code you know exactly what I am saying .

 

[851]

Extending JT's contract now is absolute madness, he has delivered nothing, especially on his defence mantra, where we actually went backwards.
The club would be taking a huge step backwards in doing this, we could start the year with 5 straight losses, then what, we have a coach signed up who we can't unload, sound familiar, let him try and prove himself next year before entertaining extension talks, because he has delivered squat so far.
While we are at it why not sign Rankin to a 5 year deal, and extend Lovett for another 3\. :bash

 

[upthetigers]

Sadly it will be another wasted year it seems.

 

[hobbo]

Extending JT's contract now is absolute madness, he has delivered nothing, especially on his defence mantra, where we actually went backwards.
The club would be taking a huge step backwards in doing this, we could start the year with 5 straight losses, then what, we have a coach signed up who we can't unload, sound familiar, let him try and prove himself next year before entertaining extension talks, because he has delivered squat so far.
While we are at it why not sign Rankin to a 5 year deal, and extend Lovett for another 3\. :bash

Don't worry mate , before you know it Rankin and Lovett will be life members :bash:

Not much of a Merry Christmas for us long suffering Wests Tigers supporters ….... More of a kick in the guts if you ask me .

 

[TCL]

I gave Taylor a pass mark this season solely based on the talent he had to work with .. all the Taylor bashing is worth squat as far as I am concerned .If you are a serious follower of the team and the code you know exactly what I am saying .

Im a serious follower of the team and I have no idea what you are saying?

Please explain?

 

[Russell]

I would like to make just three points.

The first, that he deserves the coaching job for 2017 for two reasons, he is contracted to the job for next year and I think he did enough with what he had this year to be granted the full year, next year.

What if the four players, Tedesco, Moses, Woods and Brooks (or maybe five with ET) want a guarantee that JT will be the coach for another 2 or three years. It would be a reasonable ask by them, if they are to sign with Wests Tigers for another three years. Do we say no - he is signed for next year and we'll look at how he is going half way through 2017\. Then watch them sign with other clubs because we cannot make any guarantees. If they don't want JT to be the coach or they don't care then we don't have that problem.

The third which Hobbo brought up (even though he is just about over this team) that JT kept picking the same poor players every week. Maybe, just maybe it may have been because of the second tier salary cap restrictions. Can you say it definitely wasn't Hobbo?

Just on point 3 Russ, surely during our 6 game losing streak at the start of the year their wouldn't have been 2nd tier salary cap pressure that early in the season. That was my sore point with JT that even during a long losing streak he wasn't changing the team and just picking the same guys regardless of performance

The trouble is T.Mac that it is a 26 round competition and if you use up some of your second tier players early and then get a few more than the expected number of injuries - you are snookered. So you have to play it cool just in case. If you don't then you have to play people like Lovett in the centre like we had to last year. If you have too many injuries and no second tier replacements - you then have to try and get NRL approval to use extras and this is not always forthcoming.

 

[Bird is the Word]

Good result if true.

Players wanted Robbie gone and Taylor to stay… Which is where we are at. Players will now sign contract extensions if they know Taylor is going to be staying around...

 

[TCL]

Good result if true.

Players wanted Robbie gone and Taylor to stay… Which is where we are at. Players will now sign contract extensions if they know Taylor is going to be staying around...

I'm all for getting the players to sign and I think we should but within our means.

I appreciate that the players should be consulted and I would say that Pascoes conversation was more than just "do you boys like JT" . I'm confident given his knowledge and experience he would have also asked questions to qualify why the like JT and also put some what if questions to them as well.

My concern is does this mean the players are running the club again. What happens if they get to mid season and they are going bad are they still going to like JT. If there going great awesome who cares we are winning! But when it goes bad it goes bad is my concern.

 

[stevetiger]

I gave Taylor a pass mark this season solely based on the talent he had to work with .. all the Taylor bashing is worth squat as far as I am concerned .If you are a serious follower of the team and the code you know exactly what I am saying .

I'm a serious follower and I think the expect opposite. I think we clearly underperformed. The top 8 was reasonable based on our squad.

 

[stevetiger]

Good result if true.

Players wanted Robbie gone and Taylor to stay… Which is where we are at. Players will now sign contract extensions if they know Taylor is going to be staying around...

If this is true it's really bad. This is exactly the sort of stuff that peeps on here cry about when they make up stories about Robbie doing this.

Can you name the players ? We should be getting rid of them and paying any club who will take them 3/4's of their salaries.

 

[innsaneink]

I see the playing group this year as very happy, the players we want to keep have been treated well…. If retention of players and coach is both interwoven then I can't see a problem with this.... It augurs well for the future.
The only sticking point and the key to the entire thing imo is the new defense coach.... If we improve here it will go a long way to assist in recruiting quality players for a change.

 

[stryker]

In this day and age when a man can cut his doodle off and the world has to call him a woman, it stands to reason that a coach who has failed for the entire time he has been here gets a contract extension.

So…meh it is what it is....

 

[Tiger4life]

In this day and age when a man can cut his doodle off and the world has to call him a woman, it stands to reason that a coach who has failed for the entire time he has been here gets a contract extension.

So…meh it is what it is....

What an introduction to the forum lmao. That is the funniest thing ever.

On a serious note, i csnt see anywhere there that Pascoe says about 2018\. It almost seems like JT is now off contract and the extension is for 2017\. Or am i getting my wires mixed up?

 

[Nelson]

In this day and age when a man can cut his doodle off and the world has to call him a woman, it stands to reason that a coach who has failed for the entire time he has been here gets a contract extension.

So…meh it is what it is....

What an introduction to the forum lmao. That is the funniest thing ever.

On a serious note, i csnt see anywhere there that Pascoe says about 2018\. It almost seems like JT is now off contract and the extension is for 2017\. Or am i getting my wires mixed up?

Yes you are. He's on a 3 year contract that expires at the end of 2017 so any extension talk means to 2018 or later.

 

[TYGA]

He is not a threat to be signed from another side and I don't believe he is of the stature that will make any difference to the younger players extending their deals. WT are a basket case we are probably thinking we will get him cheap now so why not do it to save a few dollars. Now is not the time to extend an unproven coach who has missed the finals for most of his coaching career.

 

[Eddie]

I would think if three or more of the big four said they were a 100% behind Taylor you would give him a extension with plenty of KPI's built into it. four top players are way harder to replace and have way more influence on winning games than the coach.

Thats the Key.

We need to keep the 4 players.

I could half live with losing Brooks but not the others.

Have to trust the club to read the vibe.