Jason Taylor's Christmas Present...

[cqtiger]

We are a weird mob.

Sometimes I think that there are dozens of Other team's supporters on here throwing mud for fun. I'm just grateful that all they can do is post their silly opinions. We had a reasonable year and no-one can doubt that but still we have comments like "I'm over this club" and "meh" and "it's insanity"

Personally, I think Pascoe is a smart operator. I also think we have a decent board, since like - forever.

Are we going to win the comp in the next 2 years? No, I don't think so. I think we are going to be a very stable club over the next few years and that's a pleasant change.

 

[tigermac88]

I would like to make just three points.

The first, that he deserves the coaching job for 2017 for two reasons, he is contracted to the job for next year and I think he did enough with what he had this year to be granted the full year, next year.

What if the four players, Tedesco, Moses, Woods and Brooks (or maybe five with ET) want a guarantee that JT will be the coach for another 2 or three years. It would be a reasonable ask by them, if they are to sign with Wests Tigers for another three years. Do we say no - he is signed for next year and we'll look at how he is going half way through 2017\. Then watch them sign with other clubs because we cannot make any guarantees. If they don't want JT to be the coach or they don't care then we don't have that problem.

The third which Hobbo brought up (even though he is just about over this team) that JT kept picking the same poor players every week. Maybe, just maybe it may have been because of the second tier salary cap restrictions. Can you say it definitely wasn't Hobbo?

Just on point 3 Russ, surely during our 6 game losing streak at the start of the year their wouldn't have been 2nd tier salary cap pressure that early in the season. That was my sore point with JT that even during a long losing streak he wasn't changing the team and just picking the same guys regardless of performance

The trouble is T.Mac that it is a 26 round competition and if you use up some of your second tier players early and then get a few more than the expected number of injuries - you are snookered. So you have to play it cool just in case. If you don't then you have to play people like Lovett in the centre like we had to last year. If you have too many injuries and no second tier replacements - you then have to try and get NRL approval to use extras and this is not always forthcoming.

Fair point… It just pained me at times this year watching the same brain dead team selections come out every Tuesday afternoon.

 

[stryker]

We are a weird mob.

Sometimes I think that there are dozens of Other team's supporters on here throwing mud for fun. I'm just grateful that all they can do is post their silly opinions. We had a reasonable year and no-one can doubt that but still we have comments like "I'm over this club" and "meh" and "it's insanity"

Personally, I think Pascoe is a smart operator. I also think we have a decent board, since like - forever.

Are we going to win the comp in the next 2 years? No, I don't think so. I think we are going to be a very stable club over the next few years and that's a pleasant change.

You are so easily pleased…can you tell me who will come 5th in Randwick race 7 on the weekend please? People who support mediocrity tend to know the answers to questions like this.

 

[innsaneink]

Who was the gibberer who kept insisting JT was only contracted to this year & '17 was an option in the clubs favour?

 

[NT_Tiger]

We are a weird mob.

Sometimes I think that there are dozens of Other team's supporters on here throwing mud for fun. I'm just grateful that all they can do is post their silly opinions. We had a reasonable year and no-one can doubt that but still we have comments like "I'm over this club" and "meh" and "it's insanity"

Personally, I think Pascoe is a smart operator. I also think we have a decent board, since like - forever.

Are we going to win the comp in the next 2 years? No, I don't think so. I think we are going to be a very stable club over the next few years and that's a pleasant change.

Yep! And hey look, you got a bite!^

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

what if the big 4 want to know that JT will continue to be their coach for them to re-sign without talking to other clubs? and that's why he might get an early extension??

If any of them re sign without talking to other clubs , they would be confirming the commonly held belief that some footballers aren't very intelligent.
Luckily their agent , if they are doing their job properly, will be doing the rounds for them.
I wonder what will be said if they were to start telling the club what they should , and shouldn't be doing.
Isn't that frowned on at WTs? :laughing:

 

[madgey76]

To give or not to give that my learned friends is the big question, for me its a big NO, a couple of things that scare the crap outta me on taylor getting an extension beyond 2017 are these. no player in there right mind will come to our club with this bloke in charge unless there on the brink of retirement even then they would be hesitant, love him or hate him the way Taylor and our board handled and treated Farah was nothing short of disgusting, no player should be treated like that, taylors man management skills are zero, his coaching is abysmal,its a sad day when we as supporters can see deficiencies in our attack and defence and this bloke rolls out the same team week in week out (special mention here to Lovett, Brooks, Rankin, Kevvy N) the players that this bloke let go during the season was nothing short of stupid, we picked up E.Taylor who for the first couple of games he was great for us then he went into his shell now the bloke is hanging out for a top dollar contract or he will go to union.so that's my reason for not giving him an extension, what happens when we are 10 games into next year with say 2 wins and we are only ahead of the knights on the ladder and the club has given taylor this extension, I know we could be 6 out of ten but im a realist, souths, manly, chooks and parra have all gone out and strengthend there sides for next year we on the other hand are trying to resign E taylor, and we are talking to a bloke who has had a year outta footy in J Idris and that's it,
I hope we make the semis next year but I cant see it, the club were glowing that we just missed the 8 this year and the 1 game Taylor had to stamp his name on he Blew it big time RE Canberra at Leichardt.

Nuff Said
Madgey76

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

We are a weird mob.

Sometimes I think that there are dozens of Other team's supporters on here throwing mud for fun. I'm just grateful that all they can do is post their silly opinions. We had a reasonable year and no-one can doubt that but still we have comments like "I'm over this club" and "meh" and "it's insanity"

Personally, I think Pascoe is a smart operator. I also think we have a decent board, since like - forever.

Are we going to win the comp in the next 2 years? No, I don't think so. I think we are going to be a very stable club over the next few years and that's a pleasant change.

You are so easily pleased…can you tell me who will come 5th in Randwick race 7 on the weekend please? People who support mediocrity tend to know the answers to questions like this.

Each to their own with expectations. Should the club have a stable front office and coaching staff, on field success should follow.

I don't think any fan accepts mediocrity, I personally don't, but at the same time I accept the club got itself into an enormous hole in 2012 and 2013 and appears only now to be slowly emerging. It feels like we are going in the right direction and for now, that is good enough for me. Certainly want a finals appearance in 2017.

 

[yeti]

Can't see the problem myself - as long as the contract extension comes with KPIs to ensure the club has an 'out' should it be required. This club needs stability and if certain players have expressed an opinion that they would like to stick with the current coach then I'm OK with that.
As others have said on this forum, Pascoe is a smart operator and the Board has proven itself to be by far the best we have seen at this club - not that the bench mark was set very high, I admit. So I would assume that the 'vibe' around the club is good. If we can add to the roster in a couple of vital positions, then we may just give the top half of the 8 a run next year.
If the team fails to deliver then the KPIs would give the club means to dismiss the coach.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

I was wondering at the time if the team and club was being thrown under a bus when a top player was not included in crucial last games, especially against the Titans. Then against when 20,000 turned up at LO to see a dud team - I think it will take a decade for this memory to fade if even then. It is just how I feel.

 

[innsaneink]

I was wondering at the time if the team and club was being thrown under a bus when a top player was not included in crucial last games, especially against the Titans. Then against when 20,000 turned up at LO to see a dud team - I think it will take a decade for this memory to fade if even then. It is just how I feel.

Only a fool would think this was solely one person's decision

 

[cktiger]

Who was the gibberer who kept insisting JT was only contracted to this year & '17 was an option in the clubs favour?

This from Pascoe in a story in DT after our first flogging by Canberra…

Asked directly if Taylor would be in charge for the rest of the year, Pascoe said: “Categorically. His contract is until the end of 2017.

“Certainly at this stage we are planning to honour **his contract until the end of 2017 but we will make a review, as every club does, at the end of 2016.**”

Obviously getting into the eight wasn't part of the KPI's

 

[4jtigers]

I was wondering at the time if the team and club was being thrown under a bus when a top player was not included in crucial last games, especially against the Titans. Then against when 20,000 turned up at LO to see a dud team - I think it will take a decade for this memory to fade if even then. It is just how I feel.

Only a fool would think this was solely one person's decision

I agree, I remember Torch stating that top player has burnt too many bridges. It wasn't just the coaches decision, it maybe even be the board's decision. I never thought of that but maybe it was the board's decision.

Anyway, moving on. I just hope the club does not make anymore rash decisions either way.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I was wondering at the time if the team and club was being thrown under a bus when a top player was not included in crucial last games, especially against the Titans. Then against when 20,000 turned up at LO to see a dud team - I think it will take a decade for this memory to fade if even then. It is just how I feel.

FFS Byron. He is gone now, let it go for Christ's sake. If it pains you so much, buy a Souths membership.

You can't go two posts without mentioning Farah.

 

[TCL]

I was wondering at the time if the team and club was being thrown under a bus when a top player was not included in crucial last games, especially against the Titans. Then against when 20,000 turned up at LO to see a dud team - I think it will take a decade for this memory to fade if even then. It is just how I feel.

Only a fool would think this was solely one person's decision

I agree, I remember Torch stating that top player has burnt too many bridges. It wasn't just the coaches decision, it maybe even be the board's decision. I never thought of that but maybe it was the board's decision.

Anyway, moving on. I just hope the club does not make anymore rash decisions either way.

Of course it was a collective decision. You don't move a high profile player on without the board being in on it. JT was the face of the decision and rightfully so he is the coach and he would have asked for him to be moved on and the board backed him (I don't agree with the decision but I actually respect JT for owning it). Thats Ok it happens, its sport, just could have been done better.

 

[supercoach]

Without doubt the Farah thing was a collective decision. Taylor might have sown the original seed but Pascoe and the board would have been part of it and from where I sit I am okay with the call because they are the people paid to make the big calls to get the place headed in the right direction. Okay time will tell if it was the right one, but we just can not sit back and just let things roll along the way they have for the past few years

 

[Geo]

Ummm this thread if about Christmas future…not Christmas past..

Can we leave those discussions to the plethora of other threads on the subject...Please..

Re-signing Teddy Jesus is the 1st priority..

 

[cqtiger]

We are a weird mob.

Sometimes I think that there are dozens of Other team's supporters on here throwing mud for fun. I'm just grateful that all they can do is post their silly opinions. We had a reasonable year and no-one can doubt that but still we have comments like "I'm over this club" and "meh" and "it's insanity"

Personally, I think Pascoe is a smart operator. I also think we have a decent board, since like - forever.

Are we going to win the comp in the next 2 years? No, I don't think so. I think we are going to be a very stable club over the next few years and that's a pleasant change.

You are so easily pleased…can you tell me who will come 5th in Randwick race 7 on the weekend please? People who support mediocrity tend to know the answers to questions like this.

THIS
Backs up my comments.

 

[2041]

The 'big four' players shouldn't all be considered in the same way. Fundamentally, the days of getting either Woods or Tedesco for a bargain price are in the past: they are both established representative players with reputations, who will be able to command full market value. Perhaps either or both will offer the Tigers some sort of home-club discount, but realistically they'll cost full whack. Hopefully the club will be able to make sensible decisions about retention within a cap: there isn't a player in the game who's worth so much of your cap room that you can't surround them with a suitable supporting cast.

Brooks and to a (slightly) lesser extent Moses will still be paid to some extent for potential in all likelihood. Brooks hasn't yet lived up to expectations and while Moses has shown more he certainly hasn't demonstrated the ability to consistently deliver or to deliver when it matters most. And actually it's these two where the Tigers have an opportunity to either grab an advantage or tie themselves to another Sironen-type millstone.

There's no point waiting for Brooks to deliver before offering him a contract. If he has a great first half of 2017, guess what: the price just went up. Moses' already has. The club fundamentally has to come to its own judgement based on its own assessment of the halves talent, and try to get ahead of the competition (and market value) by locking in the players it wants to keep before their value soars. If they really believe Brooks is just coming on slowly, get him signed up as soon as possible. If they're right, great - a bargain. If they're wrong, well, sack the talent assessors and start again. But if the plan is to build from within it cannot work by waiting for players to reach their full potential and hope they show 'loyalty'.

 

[radiowave82]

If Jason Taylor is the coach next year I'm not supporting them. Simple as that.

And Jason Taylor will be the coach next year because they punted Farah.