Joe Ofahengaue #240

[Russell]

We can get rid of the sooks though, when it is to our advantage. In both those cases we came out better off.

I agree with your post but would we better with Matterson and Aloiai in our team now ? I think we would be.

Those guys had great seasons for us. They carried us. They were then targeted by other clubs who want quality players and they left early because they wanted more money. The same thing happened with Harry Grant but he was simply a loan to us.

The club has managed recruitment and retention extremely well when you consider the quality of players they've lost.

It's a bad situation. I don't like seeing players act like that and getting rewarded.

To answer your question Earl - we would not have been better off - both wanted out and would say or do anything to achieve their goal. They would have sooked, maybe even have "Tanked" like our little mate at Parra (Scumbag) - best way of dealing with a snake is cut it's head off (release them) not put them in a box, so they can come at you time and time again (probably in cc).

People on here think we got walked on (joke), in both instances we came out on top (sure they got what they wanted unfortunately, you have to do what is right for us).

Let Madderson go - get Lucy and AD (two players that are bleeding for the Tigers).

Let Aloiai go - get Joe Ofahengaue to replace him (same dough with Donkeys topping up) plus a six figure amount as compensation for taking someone off our hands that didn't want to be here.

If that is getting walked on - please can someone walk on us some more.

 

[Russell]

I saw a post on some social media platform that put Wests Tigers fans as the biggest whingers in the comp. I go for us and i actually agree. We get rid of potential cancer for at least 100k. for all we know its 350k. We get a yoiung forward who has in the past played for qld so is a rep player. and our management still gets slammed. Its a crazy old world. Heaven forbid giving some props to a handcuffed management on their ability to deal with these rubbish situations.


The problem is management states that JA will be mowing the lawns and they let him go. Rather them say nothing and let it run its course. Whingers well lets ask a few ? how things are run with the club.

Has Madge put pen to paper for 2 years?
Chasing JAC again when we know he wants to play at souths.
We have 3 highly paid players not performing and Pascoe was around when these were signed.
We currently train out of make shape facilities until COE is completed big plus when it is - When ?????
We are the longest club not playing finals football.
There just a few of the gripes but i think we have been a badly managed club for a number of seasons.

Sound like a broken record Chief. I get it you don't like Pascoe.Lol

 

[Lauren]

Not to be contentious, but there are some valid points getting lost in semantics.
We’ve witnessed the degradation of the club, team and our image for over a decade and those quoting the club’s inability to “put their foot down” should be entitled to express this on the forum, without receiving such hostility.
I also share some of this view.
It’s fantastic that we’ve managed to recuperate or recover however it’s still frustrating as hell to watch players quite capably force the hand of our club.

My point is some folks are arguing it's only about Tigers. Yes it's frustrating to watch players force the hand of a club - any club.

Frankly I'm almost as frustrated about Josh A as I am about Suaalii, who has manipulated Souths into a release to Roosters. My reason for this is I was never a super Josh A fan and I thoroughly detest the Roosters, so the two events have equivalence to me.

Tigers don't win enough football games, that's the centrepoint of all this nonsense. You can't be a strong club if you don't win football games. Obviously the Catch-22 is you struggle to win football games if you aren't a strong club.

Some of our fans complain every time the club endures a challenge. Challenges are commonplace for teams that don't win enough football. So there's a lot of complaining. But in my opinion it very quickly ceases to be constructive commentary, it simply becomes whinging borne out of a desire to magically win more football.

So in respect to "winning more football". I think Tigers management are on the right path. The loss of Aloiai is another challenging step in the long haul of bringing Tigers out of the losers circle. It's an art, not a science.

**It's interesting you say "degradation of the club, team and image for over a decade" - I find that to be of very short memory to be honest. When has Tigers ever had a prominent or admirable image or reputation? For about 3 seasons yes. The rest of the seasons have been a long litany of bad decisions and weak performances. To say nothing of the Terry Lamb era, the post-Sheens failures, the backstabbing of Ivan Cleary etc.**

Madge, Pascoe, Hartigan, they are about forging a respectable Tigers identity. IMO we've never really had a positive image to lose, so consistent has our inability been to play finals football.

But I see in 2020 more "light at the end of the tunnel", IMO, than I have in the past decade (since 2011/2012). Good foundations, smart roster management, strong coach, a flood of targeted junior purchases (nationally, not just beholden to our own geography), increased sponsorship, increased memberships.

The downside has been the constant media scrutiny and that only seems to get worse. But the scrutiny in the media applies to all battling clubs not just Tigers - Bulldogs, Dragons, Manly, Titans don't have it any better. So I ignore the media stuff, because it has nothing to do with winning football. Whether or not Lee was soft, or whether he should or should not have said certain things doesn't impact winning football.

Josh A can agitate all he likes, he's not the difference between winning or losing in 2021. He is REPLACEABLE.

I speak of our image tbh. There was a point when our brand brought many other fans to the game - my S/O (who's kiwi) has a huge family that now follows league solely due to Wests Tigers and Benji. They're not only example I know of though.

Most people only care about the Tigers and that we're better than what we were yesterday - not specifically 3 or 5 years ago - so are only focused on that aspect and not every other factor. I've only applied that comment to signify what I meant.
I don't know how either person (tagged) feels but I know it's annoying to me to have to direct fault and blame, when something goes wrong at the club. I'm not saying there's a level of incompetency but rather I feel we're better than that this should reflect/show.

 

[earl]

Not to be contentious, but there are some valid points getting lost in semantics.
We've witnessed the degradation of the club, team and our image for over a decade and those quoting the club's inability to "put their foot down" should be entitled to express this on the forum, without receiving such hostility.
I also share some of this view.
It's fantastic that we've managed to recuperate or recover however it's still frustrating as hell to watch players quite capably force the hand of our club.

People stating we're on a road to nowhere until the NRL fix this may be accurate but I recall the same type of arguments about clubs getting away with rorting, so why can't this conversation be explored in the same capacity.
Teams have adjusted their operations and methods, and are more strategic in counterattacking this specifically.
So could @trippa101 AND @BAGNF05 simply be making an attempt to open the conversation with how we can manage it from within the club?

I have a problem with the idea that we somehow have inner knowledge into the workings within the club. We don't.

This comment to me is over the top "We’ve witnessed the degradation of the club, team and our image for over a decade". You may feel that way but it doesn't make that true.

I don't think that this was a good trade for us. I reckon Aloiai is a really good player. I reckon Matterson is really good player. I don't know if JO will even make our team based on form and JA was our best middle forward. Sure we've saved some dollars but at a loss in quality.

I also think that this is a NRL issue. I also think the club didn't have to budge so quickly but I get why they did. You can't have players acting like that at your club.

I reckon we are starting to build correctly though because I think the contracts we've been signing recently are much more in our favor. I don't see how without personal knowledge and an objective rational assessment we can judge how incompetent or competent the club is. We just see the results and we are about middle to bottom middle of the first grade teams and we've been in that position for years.

I don't see gross incompetence in the management of the WT. I think we seem to be doing reasonably well and even though I have a low assessment of where we will come next year I think the team will show some ticker.

 

[Telltails]

Lee's comments are ridiculous. Why does he talk to the media? Those comments are embarrassing. Even if we weren't soft in the JA negotiations (I think we were) it still doesn't change our recent history of being bullied by players, coaches and managers. I just don't see what benefit there is for him to announce how much impact a player airing their public grievances can have on the club's decision making process. It sounds childish. I've been uncomfortable with his openness in the past, I actually wonder about his judgement now.

He should never of shared what JA reportedly said with the media. It was a certain way to turn the fans on him and give justification for possibly releasing him. But then he talked tough and made the lawnmower references and didn't follow through.. We got an outcome from it - some believe a good one and hopefully it will be - but no solution to the problem.


He didnt share it with the media, one of his "mates" did (also the same in here). The media reported the story and asked Lee for a response.

If the chair reports every thing to the media that goes on behind closed doors then he is in the wrong position. Everything that JA has reportedly said has been second hand information. He should not have escalated it.


He didnt. Someone else did and Lee was asked. He got on the front foot and it immediately turned the media narrative in our favour. It was also the truth

***It was a rumour on the internet by an anonymous source***. Do you really want him responding to those type of questions from the media?

But that is not what you said, you said ***"He (Lee) should never of shared what JA reportedly said with the media."***. Lee didnt share what was said, someone else leaked it to the media, as you know there was someone here wanting to sjow the same information to anyone who asked. That is the whole point and there is nothing to "agree to disagree" about. Lee did not report what was said in the media, he responded to it.

As for turning the narrative in our favour Tyran Smith Alolai and Manly might see that differently. Seems like his involvement ensured they all got what they wanted.

And what does that have to do with the media narrative? The media have been very sympathetic to Tigers cause since Lee spoke up. Not really arguable and your example has nothing to do with it.



All I know is giving into dummy spits ensures one thing - more of them. At some point you have to take a hit and stop the rot. JA is not mowing lawns - tough words from our chair - he has gained a 600k contract with another club. Agree to disagree on this one.

As far as Smith & Aloiai "getting what they wanted", Aloiai was offered $200K more from Manly than Tigers, he was always going there, good luck to everyone. Lee/Pascoe/Hartigan/Madge turned a bad situation into a positive for the club, surely thats "What **we** wanted?".

The alternative? An expensive player sulking in CC, with no replacement and no cash to try to get Laurie early. Thats the way you would have gone?

Respond to it he poured petrol on it and set it alight - up until then it was still a rumour, so he did share it and confirmed it. Do you really want sympathy from the media for being taken advantage of again - because that is what the sympathy is for? Id rather be admired for taking a stand. Lee talked tough and all emotion aside we buckled. You don't agree all good.

Entitled to your opinion Mate. Don't want to press the dislike button.

Safe to say I think you are well off the mark.

No problem Russell - well aware that it is not a view shared by every one or possibly the majority. Doesn't change my view that JA should have been told that he is expected to fulfill his contract and if that meant sulking in reserve grade or mowing lawns then his lack of professionalism and maturity would be exposed - damaging himself far more than us. I was vocal in supporting moving Matterson on last year - not this time.

 

[earl]

Has our image, team and whatnot not suffered?
This is what I meant about semantics. People will sit on here and criticise others for applying opinion over fact, but will often reply in the same manner.
The fact is we have had a poor image and no opinion can dispute that.
Wasn’t really suggesting discussing all mechanisms or whatever, however like I said about the salary cap talk.

You keep stating your opinion as fact. I don't know what you mean by we have a poor image and I don't care. I don't think we do have a poor image at all. If we were a bikie gang I might believe you.

My point being that you have to talk about specific scenarios to state how did that specific issue turn out and offer an opinion on that issue. I'm not agreeing that the JA/JO issue was well handled. I'm also not stating the club is a mess. I'm yet to hear any critical information that means the club is as bad as you are implying.

The biggest fact that I've heard on hear was McIntyre not being re-signed. If this is the biggest issue the club has we are doing great.

 

[sleeve]

As stated previously,Storm are near the end of a run Management leaving,Bellyache leaving,Smith leaving;Munster greatand plays hard but injury prone,,great forward pack starting to age.

 

[Tiger5150]

Lee's comments are ridiculous. Why does he talk to the media? Those comments are embarrassing. Even if we weren't soft in the JA negotiations (I think we were) it still doesn't change our recent history of being bullied by players, coaches and managers. I just don't see what benefit there is for him to announce how much impact a player airing their public grievances can have on the club's decision making process. It sounds childish. I've been uncomfortable with his openness in the past, I actually wonder about his judgement now.

He should never of shared what JA reportedly said with the media. It was a certain way to turn the fans on him and give justification for possibly releasing him. But then he talked tough and made the lawnmower references and didn't follow through.. We got an outcome from it - some believe a good one and hopefully it will be - but no solution to the problem.


He didnt share it with the media, one of his "mates" did (also the same in here). The media reported the story and asked Lee for a response.

If the chair reports every thing to the media that goes on behind closed doors then he is in the wrong position. Everything that JA has reportedly said has been second hand information. He should not have escalated it.


He didnt. Someone else did and Lee was asked. He got on the front foot and it immediately turned the media narrative in our favour. It was also the truth

***It was a rumour on the internet by an anonymous source***. Do you really want him responding to those type of questions from the media?

But that is not what you said, you said ***"He (Lee) should never of shared what JA reportedly said with the media."***. Lee didnt share what was said, someone else leaked it to the media, as you know there was someone here wanting to sjow the same information to anyone who asked. That is the whole point and there is nothing to "agree to disagree" about. Lee did not report what was said in the media, he responded to it.

As for turning the narrative in our favour Tyran Smith Alolai and Manly might see that differently. Seems like his involvement ensured they all got what they wanted.

And what does that have to do with the media narrative? The media have been very sympathetic to Tigers cause since Lee spoke up. Not really arguable and your example has nothing to do with it.



All I know is giving into dummy spits ensures one thing - more of them. At some point you have to take a hit and stop the rot. JA is not mowing lawns - tough words from our chair - he has gained a 600k contract with another club. Agree to disagree on this one.

As far as Smith & Aloiai "getting what they wanted", Aloiai was offered $200K more from Manly than Tigers, he was always going there, good luck to everyone. Lee/Pascoe/Hartigan/Madge turned a bad situation into a positive for the club, surely thats "What **we** wanted?".

The alternative? An expensive player sulking in CC, with no replacement and no cash to try to get Laurie early. Thats the way you would have gone?

Respond to it he poured petrol on it and set it alight - up until then it was still a rumour, so he did share it and confirmed it. Do you really want sympathy from the media for being taken advantage of again - because that is what the sympathy is for? Id rather be admired for taking a stand. Lee talked tough and all emotion aside we buckled. You don't agree all good.

Entitled to your opinion Mate. Don't want to press the dislike button.

Safe to say I think you are well off the mark.

No problem Russell - well aware that it is not a view shared by every one or possibly the majority. Doesn't change my view that JA should have been told that he is expected to fulfill his contract and if that meant sulking in reserve grade or mowing lawns then his lack of professionalism and maturity would be exposed - damaging himself far more than us. I was vocal in supporting moving Matterson on last year - not this time.

I understand that on an emotional level and I’d share that POV on that level, but would still want that if it meant we didn’t get Joe O and also cost us a chance of Laurie this year?

We would effectively be sacrificing a prop and a roster spot.

 

[Russell]

Lee's comments are ridiculous. Why does he talk to the media? Those comments are embarrassing. Even if we weren't soft in the JA negotiations (I think we were) it still doesn't change our recent history of being bullied by players, coaches and managers. I just don't see what benefit there is for him to announce how much impact a player airing their public grievances can have on the club's decision making process. It sounds childish. I've been uncomfortable with his openness in the past, I actually wonder about his judgement now.

He should never of shared what JA reportedly said with the media. It was a certain way to turn the fans on him and give justification for possibly releasing him. But then he talked tough and made the lawnmower references and didn't follow through.. We got an outcome from it - some believe a good one and hopefully it will be - but no solution to the problem.


He didnt share it with the media, one of his "mates" did (also the same in here). The media reported the story and asked Lee for a response.

If the chair reports every thing to the media that goes on behind closed doors then he is in the wrong position. Everything that JA has reportedly said has been second hand information. He should not have escalated it.


He didnt. Someone else did and Lee was asked. He got on the front foot and it immediately turned the media narrative in our favour. It was also the truth

***It was a rumour on the internet by an anonymous source***. Do you really want him responding to those type of questions from the media?

But that is not what you said, you said ***"He (Lee) should never of shared what JA reportedly said with the media."***. Lee didnt share what was said, someone else leaked it to the media, as you know there was someone here wanting to sjow the same information to anyone who asked. That is the whole point and there is nothing to "agree to disagree" about. Lee did not report what was said in the media, he responded to it.

As for turning the narrative in our favour Tyran Smith Alolai and Manly might see that differently. Seems like his involvement ensured they all got what they wanted.

And what does that have to do with the media narrative? The media have been very sympathetic to Tigers cause since Lee spoke up. Not really arguable and your example has nothing to do with it.



All I know is giving into dummy spits ensures one thing - more of them. At some point you have to take a hit and stop the rot. JA is not mowing lawns - tough words from our chair - he has gained a 600k contract with another club. Agree to disagree on this one.

As far as Smith & Aloiai "getting what they wanted", Aloiai was offered $200K more from Manly than Tigers, he was always going there, good luck to everyone. Lee/Pascoe/Hartigan/Madge turned a bad situation into a positive for the club, surely thats "What **we** wanted?".

The alternative? An expensive player sulking in CC, with no replacement and no cash to try to get Laurie early. Thats the way you would have gone?

Respond to it he poured petrol on it and set it alight - up until then it was still a rumour, so he did share it and confirmed it. Do you really want sympathy from the media for being taken advantage of again - because that is what the sympathy is for? Id rather be admired for taking a stand. Lee talked tough and all emotion aside we buckled. You don't agree all good.

Entitled to your opinion Mate. Don't want to press the dislike button.

Safe to say I think you are well off the mark.

No problem Russell - well aware that it is not a view shared by every one or possibly the majority. Doesn't change my view that JA should have been told that he is expected to fulfill his contract and if that meant sulking in reserve grade or mowing lawns then his lack of professionalism and maturity would be exposed - damaging himself far more than us. I was vocal in supporting moving Matterson on last year - not this time.

AND if Aloiai bad mouthed us to all who would listen, including the media and caused disruption in our playing squad including telling other players they should get out etc. etc. What do we do then?

Play him in cc and let him do the same thing to our youngsters that we have just bought and had high hopes of.

We could say good - he didn't walk over us, he didn't get what he wanted, we are a player short but we are so good we can beat everyone anyway being one down.

See where you are coming from.....not.

 

[Lauren]

Has our image, team and whatnot not suffered?
This is what I meant about semantics. People will sit on here and criticise others for applying opinion over fact, but will often reply in the same manner.
The fact is we have had a poor image and no opinion can dispute that.
Wasn’t really suggesting discussing all mechanisms or whatever, however like I said about the salary cap talk.

You keep stating your opinion as fact. I don't know what you mean by we have a poor image and I don't care. I don't think we do have a poor image at all. If we were a bikie gang I might believe you.

My point being that you have to talk about specific scenarios to state how did that specific issue turn out and offer an opinion on that issue. I'm not agreeing that the JA/JO issue was well handled. I'm also not stating the club is a mess. I'm yet to hear any critical information that means the club is as bad as you are implying.

The biggest fact that I've heard on hear was McIntyre not being re-signed. If this is the biggest issue the club has we are doing great.

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.
Same applies to the other factors - the results are the more accurate indicator. So you can't really deny our struggles in these areas.

Probably should've clarified I feel we're on the up and my original post wasn't to pinpoint incompetence from our end, but rather to open the dialogue as to whether we can counterattack it - which is I why I specifically brought up the salary cap stuff.

 

[yoyoyoyo]

@Lauren - appreciate your post - like I appreciate all views on this forum because despite the fact we disagree on things we all have the clubs best interest at heart.

However I don't think the club will listen, as sad as that is, because the guys running it are the way they are.

And despite my rant against Lee, which I still think is correct, despite others criticising or disagreeing with it, he pours a lot of his own money into the club and as a result earns the right to carry on the way he thinks is best for the club.

Unfortunately, as I think - you just wouldn't see other chairman carrying on like that. The chairperson is supposed to be a "statesman" like the Prime Minister. Even when he wants to respond emotionally he should be above the pettiness.

Like when Lee said "He can mow the grass" - I mean really? Do you think other players would look at that and want to come here? How can you chastise JA for putting up a meme in response saying "Fast track fellas" when our chairman started it.

Look at Madge - even when people pile the pressure on him - the way he responds is professional - he's been at winning clubs - regardless of whether you like his training techniques - you watch an interview with him - always very measured and professional .... our CEO and Chairperson in comparison act like kids some times.... thats the difference.

Just my thoughts.

 

[Telltails]

Lee's comments are ridiculous. Why does he talk to the media? Those comments are embarrassing. Even if we weren't soft in the JA negotiations (I think we were) it still doesn't change our recent history of being bullied by players, coaches and managers. I just don't see what benefit there is for him to announce how much impact a player airing their public grievances can have on the club's decision making process. It sounds childish. I've been uncomfortable with his openness in the past, I actually wonder about his judgement now.

He should never of shared what JA reportedly said with the media. It was a certain way to turn the fans on him and give justification for possibly releasing him. But then he talked tough and made the lawnmower references and didn't follow through.. We got an outcome from it - some believe a good one and hopefully it will be - but no solution to the problem.


He didnt share it with the media, one of his "mates" did (also the same in here). The media reported the story and asked Lee for a response.

If the chair reports every thing to the media that goes on behind closed doors then he is in the wrong position. Everything that JA has reportedly said has been second hand information. He should not have escalated it.


He didnt. Someone else did and Lee was asked. He got on the front foot and it immediately turned the media narrative in our favour. It was also the truth

***It was a rumour on the internet by an anonymous source***. Do you really want him responding to those type of questions from the media?

But that is not what you said, you said ***"He (Lee) should never of shared what JA reportedly said with the media."***. Lee didnt share what was said, someone else leaked it to the media, as you know there was someone here wanting to sjow the same information to anyone who asked. That is the whole point and there is nothing to "agree to disagree" about. Lee did not report what was said in the media, he responded to it.

As for turning the narrative in our favour Tyran Smith Alolai and Manly might see that differently. Seems like his involvement ensured they all got what they wanted.

And what does that have to do with the media narrative? The media have been very sympathetic to Tigers cause since Lee spoke up. Not really arguable and your example has nothing to do with it.



All I know is giving into dummy spits ensures one thing - more of them. At some point you have to take a hit and stop the rot. JA is not mowing lawns - tough words from our chair - he has gained a 600k contract with another club. Agree to disagree on this one.

As far as Smith & Aloiai "getting what they wanted", Aloiai was offered $200K more from Manly than Tigers, he was always going there, good luck to everyone. Lee/Pascoe/Hartigan/Madge turned a bad situation into a positive for the club, surely thats "What **we** wanted?".

The alternative? An expensive player sulking in CC, with no replacement and no cash to try to get Laurie early. Thats the way you would have gone?

Respond to it he poured petrol on it and set it alight - up until then it was still a rumour, so he did share it and confirmed it. Do you really want sympathy from the media for being taken advantage of again - because that is what the sympathy is for? Id rather be admired for taking a stand. Lee talked tough and all emotion aside we buckled. You don't agree all good.

Entitled to your opinion Mate. Don't want to press the dislike button.

Safe to say I think you are well off the mark.

No problem Russell - well aware that it is not a view shared by every one or possibly the majority. Doesn't change my view that JA should have been told that he is expected to fulfill his contract and if that meant sulking in reserve grade or mowing lawns then his lack of professionalism and maturity would be exposed - damaging himself far more than us. I was vocal in supporting moving Matterson on last year - not this time.

AND if Aloiai bad mouthed us to all who would listen, including the media and caused disruption in our playing squad including telling other players they should get out etc. etc. What do we do then?

Play him in cc and let him do the same thing to our youngsters that we have just bought and had high hopes of.

We could say good - he didn't walk over us, he didn't get what he wanted, we are a player short but we are so good we can beat everyone anyway being one down.

See where you are coming from.....not.

Don't believe for a minute he would do anything other than suck it up if he was forced to - but we can speculate about possible scenarios all day. He is still the same player who three weeks ago was possible captain material according to many.
Shouldn't we be more concerned about the influence his actions and Matterson's before him, have on the next contracted player in the playing group that is offered a contract too good to refuse. We have done nothing to discourage clubs from targeting players who are contracted to us.
Anyway it's done and I'm over debating it . Hope Joe O has a great year, and is our best forward, and rejects any offers that may come his way because of it.

 

[twentyforty]

We wouldn't have released Josh if we didn't have Joe or someone of a similar stature lined up. The way it worked out this time was very convenient for us and stopped things getting nasty. It usually doesn't happen that conveniently.
If Joffa had a;ready signed elsewhere and there was a real gap in the market for decent props then a simple transfer fee wouldn't have been enough to get a release as our squad as a whole would have been worse off. I have no doubt we would have forced Aloiai to be present yesterday if no replacement had yet been provided or sourced.


Very convenient? Or by design? The more Madge, Pascoe et al talk about Aloiai’s departure, with specific references to JO makes me wonder if it was a conspiracy plotted by Lee, Madge, Pascoe and Hartigan? Which other forward would you want moved on? And before you answer that think about the guys who haven’t been re-signed. OK, pure speculation on my part and perhaps I’m giving these guys too much credit, but what if I’m on track with this? In which case we will possibly see Nofa throwing the toys out of the cot before Christmas. What if everything these guys are doing is by design? I mean with the full intention of getting another premiership?



I honestly think you have massively overead the situation.

Not sure exactly which part you’re referring to?
I can see Madge is totally focussed on a premiership. You can’t win premierships with props like Aloiai and to think he was our best forward, excluding Grant of course.

 

[Hangonaminute]

Both Garlic Mayo and Matterson showed just what good little Christian boys they are

 

[the_third]

Surely Joe O needs a thread of his own

 

[mikey]

He should never of shared what JA reportedly said with the media. It was a certain way to turn the fans on him and give justification for possibly releasing him. But then he talked tough and made the lawnmower references and didn't follow through.. We got an outcome from it - some believe a good one and hopefully it will be - but no solution to the problem.

I believe there was a need to share what was said. This lace was in meltdown because of the seeminlgy 'yet again inept' stance of the club. Sharing the comment let supporters understand the 'take no prisoners' ultimatum the club was given by a child who wanted his red cordial after Mummy had said no.
The lawnmower comment showed the line had been drawn in the sand at treating the club like a doormat. It gave belief to supporters that the club had turned a corner. It provided an opportunity for the club to find a voice to get the NRL to change this behaviour by managers.

There was no need to follow through with the threat because the club got what it wanted - a favourable outcome - better player and money. We also got rid of a diseased attitude to life and the possible further spread of that in the club.

Maybe that doesn't suit all but realistically there was never going to be a better outcome for the club. I believe the club played it quite well and profited out of it this time. Small but once again positive steps into changing culture and the image of the club.

To me it's like one step forward and two steps back. We cant get rid of the players we don't want can't attract the ones we do and let go of arguably our best forward and replace with one that was arguably one of Brisbane's worst - from a pack representing the wooden spoon. And thats considered a positive in culture change and image? I support most of what the club is doing - buying young talent - accepting the challenges we currently face, but in my opinion a dummy spit is not a good reason to let a quality player not fulfill his contract.

I kind of get where you are coming from but -

- I think we have snared a number of players we wanted recently - positive result - check
- We let go a child-like dummy-spitter - may be 'good' but so is sex until you get an SDI and start infecting others - positive result - check
- Recruited a track-record better player for the diseased one that had a poor season due to illness in the family and a pox-ridden maggot coach - highly likel;y positive result - check
- Are recruiting younger high potential players to build a foundation upon - positive result - check

 

[mikey]

We can get rid of the sooks though, when it is to our advantage. In both those cases we came out better off.

I agree with your post but would we better with Matterson and Aloiai in our team now ? I think we would be.

You can have the best tasting fruit in the world but it's no good if there's maggots in there. Better off finding a bin for it.

 

[Lauren]

@Lauren - appreciate your post - like I appreciate all views on this forum because despite the fact we disagree on things we all have the clubs best interest at heart.

However I don't think the club will listen, as sad as that is, because the guys running it are the way they are.

And despite my rant against Lee, which I still think is correct, despite others criticising or disagreeing with it, he pours a lot of his own money into the club and as a result earns the right to carry on the way he thinks is best for the club.

Unfortunately, as I think - you just wouldn't see other chairman carrying on like that. The chairperson is supposed to be a "statesman" like the Prime Minister. Even when he wants to respond emotionally he should be above the pettiness.

Like when Lee said "He can mow the grass" - I mean really? Do you think other players would look at that and want to come here? How can you chastise JA for putting up a meme in response saying "Fast track fellas" when our chairman started it.

Look at Madge - even when people pile the pressure on him - the way he responds is professional - he's been at winning clubs - regardless of whether you like his training techniques - you watch an interview with him - always very measured and professional .... our CEO and Chairperson in comparison act like kids some times.... thats the difference.

Just my thoughts.

Cheers for the response @trippa101 and you don't need to validate any of your remarks, to me, thanks.
I believe ultimately all of us wish only to see success and it's not inappropriate to be concerned about our professionalism, which is what I only ever assumed or took from your quote. Just from a different perspective or angle, which I can appreciate on a public forum.
Some take offence in Justin's hair so yours wasn't too bad.

 

[TIGERPOWER]

I think the club and Lee have handled this situation well. He has been on the front foot and led the narrative on what was being said in the media. We got compensated and let a player who has destroyed his reputation go. Handled much better then the matterson situation. We are heading in the right direction and I think Lee is the right man to get us there.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

@Lauren - appreciate your post - like I appreciate all views on this forum because despite the fact we disagree on things we all have the clubs best interest at heart.

However I don't think the club will listen, as sad as that is, because the guys running it are the way they are.

And despite my rant against Lee, which I still think is correct, despite others criticising or disagreeing with it, he pours a lot of his own money into the club and as a result earns the right to carry on the way he thinks is best for the club.

Unfortunately, as I think - you just wouldn't see other chairman carrying on like that. The chairperson is supposed to be a "statesman" like the Prime Minister. Even when he wants to respond emotionally he should be above the pettiness.

Like when Lee said "He can mow the grass" - I mean really? Do you think other players would look at that and want to come here? How can you chastise JA for putting up a meme in response saying "Fast track fellas" when our chairman started it.

Look at Madge - even when people pile the pressure on him - the way he responds is professional - he's been at winning clubs - regardless of whether you like his training techniques - you watch an interview with him - always very measured and professional .... our CEO and Chairperson in comparison act like kids some times.... thats the difference.

Just my thoughts.

Can I ask a question , what makes you the guy who’s right ? You speak in such absolutes , when in reality none of what your saying is based in truth . Literally 1 week after Lee said that we signed a 25 year old origin player .
I just think your opinions are fueled by your own desire to be right , rather than what is actually best for the club .
Calling out a player and thier manger for thier crap , after repeated tactics , from let’s face , a particular section of the NRL community , I don’t see as bad . You’re speaking like this is in a vacuum , an isolated incident . Because your way has been proven not to work . Let’s give this new way a try .