Joe Ofahengaue #240

[cochise]

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

I don't even know if it is different views on the route, I just think some people think we have started to go in the right direction where you still think we are going the wrong way.

In fairness, people have been saying we're turning things around since we got an independent board, 6 years ago. It's time to see the results.

I get that, things need to improve dramatically next year. I'm hopeful they can. What we need to avoid is the iceberg that has caused us to have to start again so many times.

I think 2021 is unrealistic mate, the top four will change not much. The Titans look to be a top eight side. We have lost our best player, who was never really ours. If we scrape into the eight it will be a Madge master stroke

Improvement is not just seen in making the 8 though which is where you are missing things. For too long we have had a very unbalanced squad, if we get to the end of next year and our squad is more balanced and we are no longer overpaying players I will be very happy.

Oh no I don’t miss things. I don’t have time to analyse the deficiencies in our squads in recent years but one thing I will point out is that when the blow torch is applied we crumble - badly. If we miss the eight but compete for 80 mins each week I’ll be on here raving about the team.

A very wise man keeps telling me that we don't win the key moments, that is onfield and off field. It is in individual games and across a season. Off field I believe we are starting to win those moments which will allow us to get the players and develop players that start to win the key moments on field. We needed to start winning off field 1st though. We need this to continue and we need to avoid the iceberg moments that have pulled us back for the last 10 years.

Very true about the key moments, I’m sure I’m not the only one on here who has a sixth sense for when WT are going to drop their bundle in games, you can almost set your watch to it.

It also manifests itself in big games, games we should win that are pivital in our season. I am confident we are rectifying that, the off field had to be sorted 1st though.

 

[BAGNF05]

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

I don't even know if it is different views on the route, I just think some people think we have started to go in the right direction where you still think we are going the wrong way.

In fairness, people have been saying we're turning things around since we got an independent board, 6 years ago. It's time to see the results.

I get that, things need to improve dramatically next year. I'm hopeful they can. What we need to avoid is the iceberg that has caused us to have to start again so many times.

I think 2021 is unrealistic mate, the top four will change not much. The Titans look to be a top eight side. We have lost our best player, who was never really ours. If we scrape into the eight it will be a Madge master stroke

Improvement is not just seen in making the 8 though which is where you are missing things. For too long we have had a very unbalanced squad, if we get to the end of next year and our squad is more balanced and we are no longer overpaying players I will be very happy.

Oh no I don’t miss things. I don’t have time to analyse the deficiencies in our squads in recent years but one thing I will point out is that when the blow torch is applied we crumble - badly. If we miss the eight but compete for 80 mins each week I’ll be on here raving about the team.

A very wise man keeps telling me that we don't win the key moments, that is onfield and off field. It is in individual games and across a season. Off field I believe we are starting to win those moments which will allow us to get the players and develop players that start to win the key moments on field. We needed to start winning off field 1st though. We need this to continue and we need to avoid the iceberg moments that have pulled us back for the last 10 years.

Very true about the key moments, I’m sure I’m not the only one on here who has a sixth sense for when WT are going to drop their bundle in games, you can almost set your watch to it.

It also manifests itself in big games, games we should win that are pivital in our season. I am confident we are rectifying that, the off field had to be sorted 1st though.

Yeah, that was real bad in 2020. In previous years we lifted for big games but crumbled against lesser teams, that was disappointing.

I hope your optimism is well found.

 

[cochise]

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

I don't even know if it is different views on the route, I just think some people think we have started to go in the right direction where you still think we are going the wrong way.

In fairness, people have been saying we're turning things around since we got an independent board, 6 years ago. It's time to see the results.

I get that, things need to improve dramatically next year. I'm hopeful they can. What we need to avoid is the iceberg that has caused us to have to start again so many times.

I think 2021 is unrealistic mate, the top four will change not much. The Titans look to be a top eight side. We have lost our best player, who was never really ours. If we scrape into the eight it will be a Madge master stroke

Improvement is not just seen in making the 8 though which is where you are missing things. For too long we have had a very unbalanced squad, if we get to the end of next year and our squad is more balanced and we are no longer overpaying players I will be very happy.

Oh no I don’t miss things. I don’t have time to analyse the deficiencies in our squads in recent years but one thing I will point out is that when the blow torch is applied we crumble - badly. If we miss the eight but compete for 80 mins each week I’ll be on here raving about the team.

A very wise man keeps telling me that we don't win the key moments, that is onfield and off field. It is in individual games and across a season. Off field I believe we are starting to win those moments which will allow us to get the players and develop players that start to win the key moments on field. We needed to start winning off field 1st though. We need this to continue and we need to avoid the iceberg moments that have pulled us back for the last 10 years.

Very true about the key moments, I’m sure I’m not the only one on here who has a sixth sense for when WT are going to drop their bundle in games, you can almost set your watch to it.

It also manifests itself in big games, games we should win that are pivital in our season. I am confident we are rectifying that, the off field had to be sorted 1st though.

Yeah, that was real bad in 2020. In previous years we lifted for big games but crumbled against lesser teams, that was disappointing.

I hope your optimism is well found.

Adam Hartigan is an incredibly impressive individual, a lot of my optimism come from having him at the club.

 

[JC99]

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

I don't even know if it is different views on the route, I just think some people think we have started to go in the right direction where you still think we are going the wrong way.

In fairness, people have been saying we're turning things around since we got an independent board, 6 years ago. It's time to see the results.

I get that, things need to improve dramatically next year. I'm hopeful they can. What we need to avoid is the iceberg that has caused us to have to start again so many times.

I think 2021 is unrealistic mate, the top four will change not much. The Titans look to be a top eight side. We have lost our best player, who was never really ours. If we scrape into the eight it will be a Madge master stroke

Improvement is not just seen in making the 8 though which is where you are missing things. For too long we have had a very unbalanced squad, if we get to the end of next year and our squad is more balanced and we are no longer overpaying players I will be very happy.

Oh no I don’t miss things. I don’t have time to analyse the deficiencies in our squads in recent years but one thing I will point out is that when the blow torch is applied we crumble - badly. If we miss the eight but compete for 80 mins each week I’ll be on here raving about the team.

A very wise man keeps telling me that we don't win the key moments, that is onfield and off field. It is in individual games and across a season. Off field I believe we are starting to win those moments which will allow us to get the players and develop players that start to win the key moments on field. We needed to start winning off field 1st though. We need this to continue and we need to avoid the iceberg moments that have pulled us back for the last 10 years.

Very true about the key moments, I’m sure I’m not the only one on here who has a sixth sense for when WT are going to drop their bundle in games, you can almost set your watch to it.

It also manifests itself in big games, games we should win that are pivital in our season. I am confident we are rectifying that, the off field had to be sorted 1st though.

Yeah, that was real bad in 2020. In previous years we lifted for big games but crumbled against lesser teams, that was disappointing.

I hope your optimism is well found.

Adam Hartigan is an incredibly impressive individual, a lot of my optimism come from having him at the club.

Just need to get it right on the field.... we’re doing good everywhere else. Not too confident about making the 8 next year, everyone will need to be at their best for majority of the season and we’re yet to shake the inconsistency from the club.

 

[BAGNF05]

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

I don't even know if it is different views on the route, I just think some people think we have started to go in the right direction where you still think we are going the wrong way.

In fairness, people have been saying we're turning things around since we got an independent board, 6 years ago. It's time to see the results.

I get that, things need to improve dramatically next year. I'm hopeful they can. What we need to avoid is the iceberg that has caused us to have to start again so many times.

I think 2021 is unrealistic mate, the top four will change not much. The Titans look to be a top eight side. We have lost our best player, who was never really ours. If we scrape into the eight it will be a Madge master stroke

Improvement is not just seen in making the 8 though which is where you are missing things. For too long we have had a very unbalanced squad, if we get to the end of next year and our squad is more balanced and we are no longer overpaying players I will be very happy.

Oh no I don’t miss things. I don’t have time to analyse the deficiencies in our squads in recent years but one thing I will point out is that when the blow torch is applied we crumble - badly. If we miss the eight but compete for 80 mins each week I’ll be on here raving about the team.

A very wise man keeps telling me that we don't win the key moments, that is onfield and off field. It is in individual games and across a season. Off field I believe we are starting to win those moments which will allow us to get the players and develop players that start to win the key moments on field. We needed to start winning off field 1st though. We need this to continue and we need to avoid the iceberg moments that have pulled us back for the last 10 years.

Very true about the key moments, I’m sure I’m not the only one on here who has a sixth sense for when WT are going to drop their bundle in games, you can almost set your watch to it.

It also manifests itself in big games, games we should win that are pivital in our season. I am confident we are rectifying that, the off field had to be sorted 1st though.

Yeah, that was real bad in 2020. In previous years we lifted for big games but crumbled against lesser teams, that was disappointing.

I hope your optimism is well found.

Adam Hartigan is an incredibly impressive individual, a lot of my optimism come from having him at the club.

He came along after most of the stuff that gets me agitated about the club, so hopefully he’s the saviour or at least part of it. Why did he leave Rortsters?

 

[cochise]

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

I don't even know if it is different views on the route, I just think some people think we have started to go in the right direction where you still think we are going the wrong way.

In fairness, people have been saying we're turning things around since we got an independent board, 6 years ago. It's time to see the results.

I get that, things need to improve dramatically next year. I'm hopeful they can. What we need to avoid is the iceberg that has caused us to have to start again so many times.

I think 2021 is unrealistic mate, the top four will change not much. The Titans look to be a top eight side. We have lost our best player, who was never really ours. If we scrape into the eight it will be a Madge master stroke

Improvement is not just seen in making the 8 though which is where you are missing things. For too long we have had a very unbalanced squad, if we get to the end of next year and our squad is more balanced and we are no longer overpaying players I will be very happy.

Oh no I don’t miss things. I don’t have time to analyse the deficiencies in our squads in recent years but one thing I will point out is that when the blow torch is applied we crumble - badly. If we miss the eight but compete for 80 mins each week I’ll be on here raving about the team.

A very wise man keeps telling me that we don't win the key moments, that is onfield and off field. It is in individual games and across a season. Off field I believe we are starting to win those moments which will allow us to get the players and develop players that start to win the key moments on field. We needed to start winning off field 1st though. We need this to continue and we need to avoid the iceberg moments that have pulled us back for the last 10 years.

Very true about the key moments, I’m sure I’m not the only one on here who has a sixth sense for when WT are going to drop their bundle in games, you can almost set your watch to it.

It also manifests itself in big games, games we should win that are pivital in our season. I am confident we are rectifying that, the off field had to be sorted 1st though.

Yeah, that was real bad in 2020. In previous years we lifted for big games but crumbled against lesser teams, that was disappointing.

I hope your optimism is well found.

Adam Hartigan is an incredibly impressive individual, a lot of my optimism come from having him at the club.

Just need to get it right on the field.... we’re doing good everywhere else. Not too confident about making the 8 next year, everyone will need to be at their best for majority of the season and we’re yet to shake the inconsistency from the club.

Next year we need the risks we have taken to pay off, the risks we have taken are not likely to damage the club if they don't payoff, but if they do I believe we will make the 8. For example the club is very well protected in the deal it has with Roberts, so its not a huge problem if it doesn't pay off, but if he plays 20-24 games at centre for us in the form he is capable of then we are in a very good spot. We need things like that to workout for next year to be a success onfield.

The other thing to remember is we may have one of our kids just jump out of a box next year. Many of the younger guys have played 1 game in the last 14 months, now on the surface that should be detrimental to their development, but if for example that extra year of maturity and training has a large impact of Maddens game and he hits the ground running next year then again we are in a really great position.

There are a lot of ifs for next year, we need most of thise ifs to fall in our favour.

The good thing is if they don't fall in our favour they were low risk ifs and won't hamstring us moving forward.

 

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Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

I don't even know if it is different views on the route, I just think some people think we have started to go in the right direction where you still think we are going the wrong way.

In fairness, people have been saying we're turning things around since we got an independent board, 6 years ago. It's time to see the results.

I get that, things need to improve dramatically next year. I'm hopeful they can. What we need to avoid is the iceberg that has caused us to have to start again so many times.

I think 2021 is unrealistic mate, the top four will change not much. The Titans look to be a top eight side. We have lost our best player, who was never really ours. If we scrape into the eight it will be a Madge master stroke

Improvement is not just seen in making the 8 though which is where you are missing things. For too long we have had a very unbalanced squad, if we get to the end of next year and our squad is more balanced and we are no longer overpaying players I will be very happy.

Oh no I don’t miss things. I don’t have time to analyse the deficiencies in our squads in recent years but one thing I will point out is that when the blow torch is applied we crumble - badly. If we miss the eight but compete for 80 mins each week I’ll be on here raving about the team.

A very wise man keeps telling me that we don't win the key moments, that is onfield and off field. It is in individual games and across a season. Off field I believe we are starting to win those moments which will allow us to get the players and develop players that start to win the key moments on field. We needed to start winning off field 1st though. We need this to continue and we need to avoid the iceberg moments that have pulled us back for the last 10 years.

Very true about the key moments, I’m sure I’m not the only one on here who has a sixth sense for when WT are going to drop their bundle in games, you can almost set your watch to it.

It also manifests itself in big games, games we should win that are pivital in our season. I am confident we are rectifying that, the off field had to be sorted 1st though.

Yeah, that was real bad in 2020. In previous years we lifted for big games but crumbled against lesser teams, that was disappointing.

I hope your optimism is well found.

Adam Hartigan is an incredibly impressive individual, a lot of my optimism come from having him at the club.

He came along after most of the stuff that gets me agitated about the club, so hopefully he’s the saviour or at least part of it. Why did he leave Rortsters?

His position at the Wests Tigers was moving into a higher role than he held at the Roosters but I have also heard he was impressed by Pascoe as well.

 

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Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

I don't even know if it is different views on the route, I just think some people think we have started to go in the right direction where you still think we are going the wrong way.

In fairness, people have been saying we're turning things around since we got an independent board, 6 years ago. It's time to see the results.

I get that, things need to improve dramatically next year. I'm hopeful they can. What we need to avoid is the iceberg that has caused us to have to start again so many times.

I think 2021 is unrealistic mate, the top four will change not much. The Titans look to be a top eight side. We have lost our best player, who was never really ours. If we scrape into the eight it will be a Madge master stroke

Improvement is not just seen in making the 8 though which is where you are missing things. For too long we have had a very unbalanced squad, if we get to the end of next year and our squad is more balanced and we are no longer overpaying players I will be very happy.

Oh no I don’t miss things. I don’t have time to analyse the deficiencies in our squads in recent years but one thing I will point out is that when the blow torch is applied we crumble - badly. If we miss the eight but compete for 80 mins each week I’ll be on here raving about the team.

A very wise man keeps telling me that we don't win the key moments, that is onfield and off field. It is in individual games and across a season. Off field I believe we are starting to win those moments which will allow us to get the players and develop players that start to win the key moments on field. We needed to start winning off field 1st though. We need this to continue and we need to avoid the iceberg moments that have pulled us back for the last 10 years.

Very true about the key moments, I’m sure I’m not the only one on here who has a sixth sense for when WT are going to drop their bundle in games, you can almost set your watch to it.

It also manifests itself in big games, games we should win that are pivital in our season. I am confident we are rectifying that, the off field had to be sorted 1st though.

Yeah, that was real bad in 2020. In previous years we lifted for big games but crumbled against lesser teams, that was disappointing.

I hope your optimism is well found.

Adam Hartigan is an incredibly impressive individual, a lot of my optimism come from having him at the club.

He came along after most of the stuff that gets me agitated about the club, so hopefully he’s the saviour or at least part of it. Why did he leave Rortsters?

Opportunity. He’s now running things where at the roosters he was just in recruitment and development .

 

[Magpie1969]

I believe in this instance WT came up on top. Looking forward to big Joe recapturing his SOO form.

 

[sleeve]

With approx. 2to 3mill in the cap for 2022, at least 4 to 5 players will need to lift their game to make the the playing roster in 2022.That is a wonderfull incentive.

 

[sleeve]

Great post Cochise you are spot on.

 

[TigerWest]

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

I don't even know if it is different views on the route, I just think some people think we have started to go in the right direction where you still think we are going the wrong way.

In fairness, people have been saying we're turning things around since we got an independent board, 6 years ago. It's time to see the results.

I get that, things need to improve dramatically next year. I'm hopeful they can. What we need to avoid is the iceberg that has caused us to have to start again so many times.

I think 2021 is unrealistic mate, the top four will change not much. The Titans look to be a top eight side. We have lost our best player, who was never really ours. If we scrape into the eight it will be a Madge master stroke

Improvement is not just seen in making the 8 though which is where you are missing things. For too long we have had a very unbalanced squad, if we get to the end of next year and our squad is more balanced and we are no longer overpaying players I will be very happy.

Oh no I don’t miss things. I don’t have time to analyse the deficiencies in our squads in recent years but one thing I will point out is that when the blow torch is applied we crumble - badly. If we miss the eight but compete for 80 mins each week I’ll be on here raving about the team.

A very wise man keeps telling me that we don't win the key moments, that is onfield and off field. It is in individual games and across a season. Off field I believe we are starting to win those moments which will allow us to get the players and develop players that start to win the key moments on field. We needed to start winning off field 1st though. We need this to continue and we need to avoid the iceberg moments that have pulled us back for the last 10 years.

Very true about the key moments, I’m sure I’m not the only one on here who has a sixth sense for when WT are going to drop their bundle in games, you can almost set your watch to it.

It also manifests itself in big games, games we should win that are pivital in our season. I am confident we are rectifying that, the off field had to be sorted 1st though.

Yeah, that was real bad in 2020. In previous years we lifted for big games but crumbled against lesser teams, that was disappointing.

I hope your optimism is well found.

Adam Hartigan is an incredibly impressive individual, a lot of my optimism come from having him at the club.

He came along after most of the stuff that gets me agitated about the club, so hopefully he’s the saviour or at least part of it. Why did he leave Rortsters?

His position at the Wests Tigers was moving into a higher role than he held at the Roosters but I have also heard he was impressed by Pascoe as well.

So Adam must be of the opinion that a person’s abilities are not related to their hairstyle? Who would have thought.

 

[fibrodreaming]

There are a lot of ifs for next year, we need most of thise ifs to fall in our favour.

Couldn't agree more.

For years now, my expectations for the team have been low, and they have always lived down to my expectations.

Next season, however, I don't have a clue what to expect.

In the case of the top teams, who have rosters of quality and consistent performers, one has a fair idea of how they will perform over the season.

We, on the other hand, do not have many players that we can be confident in our expectations of how they will perform. The only players I am confident about how they will perform are players like Tamou, Luciano, Garner, Nofo, Mbye, Packer and JRey.

Then we have a bunch of experienced players who have performed well in the past but have under performed recently, such as Brooks, BJ, JTJ, Joe O.

And then some highly rated, but inexperienced juniors like Tommy T, AJ, Simpkins, Blore, and AD (as a 5/8).

If the experienced under performers raise their game and the juniors kick on, we are in contention for the 8. But if neither group raise their game, we are in contention for the spoon.

I suppose the most likely outcome is that a sub set of each group will raise to the occasion but not enough to make a difference and we will finish around 12th.

 

[yeti]

He seems like a bad reality star. Loves to see his name in the media.

He unnecessarily escalated the situation. What quotes did Melbourne make when Addo-Carr was agitating for a release?

I will reserve judgment until seeing whether the NRL introduces the rule that prevents players earning more money when breaking a contract. I can see the NRL folding, but if that does come into effect, I will say he has been successful.

I disagree on that point, before Lee spoke to the media the opinion on here was pro Josh and anti Tigers in regars to this situation. When he spoke to the media that flipped.

I agree with this. Also, I like the fact that Lee is his own man. Sure, Melbourne and Roosters, (who are without doubt the benchmark clubs on and off the field), say little in the press during negotiations etc. That's fine. They don't need to. They pretty much have the press on side and the public's general perception, I think, is positive of the those clubs. Not so with the Wests Tigers. We need to state our case because, correctly, we are not perceived to be at the level of professionalism of those other clubs mentioned and we rarely get positive press. So as far as I am concerned, I like it that Lee states our position unequivocally. As long as those statements are followed through, as it appears to have been in the situation with JA, and indeed with JAC (that if he gained a release then he would be with the Tigers), then I'm for it.
Perhaps, if the club reaches the level of professionalism of the Storm, then Lee won't need to make such comments.

 

[BZN]

There are a lot of ifs for next year, we need most of thise ifs to fall in our favour.

Couldn't agree more.

For years now, my expectations for the team have been low, and they have always lived down to my expectations.

Next season, however, I don't have a clue what to expect.

In the case of the top teams, who have rosters of quality and consistent performers, one has a fair idea of how they will perform over the season.

We, on the other hand, do not have many players that we can be confident in our expectations of how they will perform. The only players I am confident about how they will perform are players like Tamou, Luciano, Garner, Nofo, Mbye, Packer and JRey.

Then we have a bunch of experienced players who have performed well in the past but have under performed recently, such as Brooks, BJ, JTJ, Joe O.

And then some highly rated, but inexperienced juniors like Tommy T, AJ, Simpkins, Blore, and AD (as a 5/8).

If the experienced under performers raise their game and the juniors kick on, we are in contention for the 8. But if neither group raise their game, we are in contention for the spoon.

I suppose the most likely outcome is that a sub set of each group will raise to the occasion but not enough to make a difference and we will finish around 12th.

Good post fibro: things are starting to look really :+1: for Wests Tigers re 2021/2022/2023.
And with all the positive comments coming from Cochise regarding Hartigan/Pascoe etc... I'm :smile_cat: :smile_cat: beside myself with excitement.

 

[BZN]

He seems like a bad reality star. Loves to see his name in the media.

He unnecessarily escalated the situation. What quotes did Melbourne make when Addo-Carr was agitating for a release?

I will reserve judgment until seeing whether the NRL introduces the rule that prevents players earning more money when breaking a contract. I can see the NRL folding, but if that does come into effect, I will say he has been successful.

I disagree on that point, before Lee spoke to the media the opinion on here was pro Josh and anti Tigers in regars to this situation. When he spoke to the media that flipped.

I agree with this. Also, I like the fact that Lee is his own man. Sure, Melbourne and Roosters, (who are without doubt the benchmark clubs on and off the field), say little in the press during negotiations etc. That's fine. They don't need to. They pretty much have the press on side and the public's general perception, I think, is positive of the those clubs. Not so with the Wests Tigers. We need to state our case because, correctly, we are not perceived to be at the level of professionalism of those other clubs mentioned and we rarely get positive press. So as far as I am concerned, I like it that Lee states our position unequivocally. As long as those statements are followed through, as it appears to have been in the situation with JA, and indeed with JAC (that if he gained a release then he would be with the Tigers), then I'm for it.
Perhaps, if the club reaches the level of professionalism of the Storm, then Lee won't need to make such comments.

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[JC99]

Looks like Joffa is on his way to sydney. Hopefully we can see him at pre season on Monday

 

[twentyforty]

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

I don't even know if it is different views on the route, I just think some people think we have started to go in the right direction where you still think we are going the wrong way.

In fairness, people have been saying we're turning things around since we got an independent board, 6 years ago. It's time to see the results.

I get that, things need to improve dramatically next year. I'm hopeful they can. What we need to avoid is the iceberg that has caused us to have to start again so many times.

I think 2021 is unrealistic mate, the top four will change not much. The Titans look to be a top eight side. We have lost our best player, who was never really ours. If we scrape into the eight it will be a Madge master stroke

Improvement is not just seen in making the 8 though which is where you are missing things. For too long we have had a very unbalanced squad, if we get to the end of next year and our squad is more balanced and we are no longer overpaying players I will be very happy.

Same here Cochise, I would love to see a balanced team with with the vast majority of players well and truly anchored in their positions. It would be a huge help with future recruitment.

 

[Geo]

Looks like Joffa is on his way to sydney. Hopefully we can see him at pre season on Monday

Found out they are training till the 23rd of December..

Awaits Madge trains them too hard..pussies

 

[SeanT]

Looks like Joffa is on his way to sydney. Hopefully we can see him at pre season on Monday

Found out they are training till the 23rd of December..

Awaits Madge trains them too hard..pussies

Yeah they had 7-8 weeks off. Jeez we could hope for that.