Joe Ofahengaue #240

[earl]

Yea ,but rabble and implies ineptitude at every level . And I just don’t think that’s true . Not even a little bit

I'm starting to get some confidence for the next couple of seasons. I see a professional club fighting hard. I don't see ineptitude at all.

We don't seem to be getting plodders and we don't seem to be signing too many poor contracts. To me we are also developing a good team. Guys like AD and Blore and LL etc give me some hope.

 

[cochise]

He seems like a bad reality star. Loves to see his name in the media.

He unnecessarily escalated the situation. What quotes did Melbourne make when Addo-Carr was agitating for a release?

I will reserve judgment until seeing whether the NRL introduces the rule that prevents players earning more money when breaking a contract. I can see the NRL folding, but if that does come into effect, I will say he has been successful.

I disagree on that point, before Lee spoke to the media the opinion on here was pro Josh and anti Tigers in regars to this situation. When he spoke to the media that flipped.

 

[TIGERPOWER]

He seems like a bad reality star. Loves to see his name in the media.

He unnecessarily escalated the situation. What quotes did Melbourne make when Addo-Carr was agitating for a release?

I will reserve judgment until seeing whether the NRL introduces the rule that prevents players earning more money when breaking a contract. I can see the NRL folding, but if that does come into effect, I will say he has been successful.

I disagree on that point, before Lee spoke to the media the opinion on here was pro Josh and anti Tigers in regars to this situation. When he spoke to the media that flipped.

This x 100. Filter came out and talked smack and Lee shut him very quickly. JA and his crew started leaking stuff on social media and if we sat there quiet, it would have been another story about our coach being too tough. Lee had no choice and that’s why the narrative was in the tigers favour for once in the media.

 

[MightyMaggy]

He seems like a bad reality star. Loves to see his name in the media.

He unnecessarily escalated the situation. What quotes did Melbourne make when Addo-Carr was agitating for a release?

I will reserve judgment until seeing whether the NRL introduces the rule that prevents players earning more money when breaking a contract. I can see the NRL folding, but if that does come into effect, I will say he has been successful.

I disagree on that point, before Lee spoke to the media the opinion on here was pro Josh and anti Tigers in regars to this situation. When he spoke to the media that flipped.

I did not see that the opinion on here was pro-Josh and anti-Tigers at all. That might have been the opinion of some forumers, but NOT ME! My view of the Club's operation for much of this year was much more professional than I ever remember it being in the past. Keep it up Tigers.

 

[BAGNF05]

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

 

[cochise]

He seems like a bad reality star. Loves to see his name in the media.

He unnecessarily escalated the situation. What quotes did Melbourne make when Addo-Carr was agitating for a release?

I will reserve judgment until seeing whether the NRL introduces the rule that prevents players earning more money when breaking a contract. I can see the NRL folding, but if that does come into effect, I will say he has been successful.

I disagree on that point, before Lee spoke to the media the opinion on here was pro Josh and anti Tigers in regars to this situation. When he spoke to the media that flipped.

I did not see that the opinion on here was pro-Josh and anti-Tigers at all. That might have been the opinion of some forumers, but NOT ME! My view of the Club's operation for much of this year was much more professional than I ever remember it being in the past. Keep it up Tigers.

I didn't mean everyone lol, but there was a large number of people on Josh's side at the start. My personal view is much the same as yours.

 

[cochise]

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

I don't even know if it is different views on the route, I just think some people think we have started to go in the right direction where you still think we are going the wrong way.

 

[BAGNF05]

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Yea ,but rabble and implies ineptitude at every level . And I just don’t think that’s true . Not even a little bit . Purgatory implies , we are trying everything , doing all the right things , but for whoever reason we are missing that final ingredient. And I ? don’t think it’s incompetence . It’s nice to put a big bow around things and gift wrap it , but that’s not how it is. It was because of the boardroom bull crap , which lead to Tim Sheens and the boys club , which lead to a toxic culture of enabling under performance . Benji especially has a lot to answer for . It’s why Ben Teo did what he did , Woods felt holier than thou , and finally teddy wanted out etc. losing him was finally the “recession we needed to have “ . Cleary actually screwed us more than a lot of people realise , because his on the bus rubbish really polarised people , only for it to be a whole lot of rubbish .
So we get to the last 2 and a bit years under Madge . The systems have been adopted finally through the club , the roster is beginning to look like something of a Madge team . And the boardroom rubbish is a thing of the past .
People just blend things like 9 years of losing because to them it has been 9 years . But to those in the club it’s really 2-3 years .

I like Madge and some of the recruitment under AH has been quality so not all bad. I think you have put together a pretty good summary. I will even adjust my comments a bit based on it. So the way I see it we have long been a rabble, are showing some signs of being less rabblish but still have to make the top eight before people like me will consider us a non-rabble. I’m not sold yet but still have hope.

The JTJ signing still doesn’t sit with me well - yes I know, i know he was cheap as chips!

 

[gallagher]

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

I don't even know if it is different views on the route, I just think some people think we have started to go in the right direction where you still think we are going the wrong way.

In fairness, people have been saying we're turning things around since we got an independent board, 6 years ago. It's time to see the results.

 

[cochise]

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

I don't even know if it is different views on the route, I just think some people think we have started to go in the right direction where you still think we are going the wrong way.

In fairness, people have been saying we're turning things around since we got an independent board, 6 years ago. It's time to see the results.

I get that, things need to improve dramatically next year. I'm hopeful they can. What we need to avoid is the iceberg that has caused us to have to start again so many times.

 

[BAGNF05]

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

I don't even know if it is different views on the route, I just think some people think we have started to go in the right direction where you still think we are going the wrong way.

In fairness, people have been saying we're turning things around since we got an independent board, 6 years ago. It's time to see the results.

I get that, things need to improve dramatically next year. I'm hopeful they can. What we need to avoid is the iceberg that has caused us to have to start again so many times.

I think 2021 is unrealistic mate, the top four will change not much. The Titans look to be a top eight side. We have lost our best player, who was never really ours. If we scrape into the eight it will be a Madge master stroke

 

[Russell]

I think Tigers players and other clubs will still see us as soft even if they did give up some money. I like the addition of Joe O but I see losing JA as losing our second best forward (after Luciano) so I think this isn't much of an improvement overall. People are getting a little overhyped about our signings. We've basically signed players unwanted at other clubs on small contracts. I like the signings but it's silly to get hopes up about this season. Adding Joe O and keeping JA would have meant better depth and a stronger pack, I don't think we've achieved that yet this season. Tamou is certainly an improvement on what we have, but he's a year older and he might not have the commitment to play hard this year on his final contract. Overall, the clubs making good signings but we're still too impatient to get rid of players or coaches as soon as they get a little upset. We've seen Melbourne, Eels, Penrith and even the Titans handle such demands with more conviction. It seems like every time a player or coach requests a release we talk tough and then release them within a week. I really think JA could have been productive for us this year, irrespective of what has been said.

The players at the other clubs didn't burn their bridges like JA did.

But it only shows future players how they go about these sort of disputes if we let players go because of their public talk. Ignore his public comments and tell him he's either playing for us or not getting paid. It's simple and they've signed a bloody contract and just like we're doing with Packer and Reynolds both parties have to honour that. It's just really short-sighted and weak by us. This is the perfect year and the right sort of player to take a stand on. He's an average footballer and we're going to be an average team next year (if we're lucky), you're not disrupting anything by standing your ground on this one. And if it really doesn't work out and we have a potential signing coming in then we can just release him when it suits us. But right now we're making another team stronger and we're looking like pushovers again, because we are.

The way to prevent that is the NRL changing the rules in this area, not us fielding a weaker squad to prove a point.

In saying that it appears we get $100k+ compensation for releasing him. That doesn't paint us as weak.

I feel like the rules are pretty clear, we just need to be able to insist that players stick to them. If they don't then they won't get paid and they won't be able to play. I don't think we need to look to the NRL to improve this.

Rubbish, this area is a mess, players should not be able to agitate for a release because they were offered a larger contract elsewhere. It is also really poor to have players signing contracts 16 months before they can play for a team.

Now...being serious...I agree with your post completely...except!!!... for your very 1st word.
I don't believe I have the rite to say someone else's thoughts are 'rubbish'.
I am certainly entitled to say that I disagree or strongly disagree though.
As Kamal used to say..."please be kind to one another".
Have a great day Cochise :relaxed: .

Actually Maggie - the quote is "Why are people so unkind"

 

[BZN]

I think Tigers players and other clubs will still see us as soft even if they did give up some money. I like the addition of Joe O but I see losing JA as losing our second best forward (after Luciano) so I think this isn't much of an improvement overall. People are getting a little overhyped about our signings. We've basically signed players unwanted at other clubs on small contracts. I like the signings but it's silly to get hopes up about this season. Adding Joe O and keeping JA would have meant better depth and a stronger pack, I don't think we've achieved that yet this season. Tamou is certainly an improvement on what we have, but he's a year older and he might not have the commitment to play hard this year on his final contract. Overall, the clubs making good signings but we're still too impatient to get rid of players or coaches as soon as they get a little upset. We've seen Melbourne, Eels, Penrith and even the Titans handle such demands with more conviction. It seems like every time a player or coach requests a release we talk tough and then release them within a week. I really think JA could have been productive for us this year, irrespective of what has been said.

The players at the other clubs didn't burn their bridges like JA did.

But it only shows future players how they go about these sort of disputes if we let players go because of their public talk. Ignore his public comments and tell him he's either playing for us or not getting paid. It's simple and they've signed a bloody contract and just like we're doing with Packer and Reynolds both parties have to honour that. It's just really short-sighted and weak by us. This is the perfect year and the right sort of player to take a stand on. He's an average footballer and we're going to be an average team next year (if we're lucky), you're not disrupting anything by standing your ground on this one. And if it really doesn't work out and we have a potential signing coming in then we can just release him when it suits us. But right now we're making another team stronger and we're looking like pushovers again, because we are.

The way to prevent that is the NRL changing the rules in this area, not us fielding a weaker squad to prove a point.

In saying that it appears we get $100k+ compensation for releasing him. That doesn't paint us as weak.

I feel like the rules are pretty clear, we just need to be able to insist that players stick to them. If they don't then they won't get paid and they won't be able to play. I don't think we need to look to the NRL to improve this.

Rubbish, this area is a mess, players should not be able to agitate for a release because they were offered a larger contract elsewhere. It is also really poor to have players signing contracts 16 months before they can play for a team.

Now...being serious...I agree with your post completely...except!!!... for your very 1st word.
I don't believe I have the rite to say someone else's thoughts are 'rubbish'.
I am certainly entitled to say that I disagree or strongly disagree though.
As Kamal used to say..."please be kind to one another".
Have a great day Cochise :relaxed: .

Actually Maggie - the quote is "Why are people so unkind"

You are 100% correct @Russell. Thanks for the reminder.

 

[cochise]

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

I don't even know if it is different views on the route, I just think some people think we have started to go in the right direction where you still think we are going the wrong way.

In fairness, people have been saying we're turning things around since we got an independent board, 6 years ago. It's time to see the results.

I get that, things need to improve dramatically next year. I'm hopeful they can. What we need to avoid is the iceberg that has caused us to have to start again so many times.

I think 2021 is unrealistic mate, the top four will change not much. The Titans look to be a top eight side. We have lost our best player, who was never really ours. If we scrape into the eight it will be a Madge master stroke

Improvement is not just seen in making the 8 though which is where you are missing things. For too long we have had a very unbalanced squad, if we get to the end of next year and our squad is more balanced and we are no longer overpaying players I will be very happy.

 

[Tiger5150]

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

I don't even know if it is different views on the route, I just think some people think we have started to go in the right direction where you still think we are going the wrong way.

In fairness, people have been saying we're turning things around since we got an independent board, 6 years ago. It's time to see the results.

I get that, things need to improve dramatically next year. I'm hopeful they can. What we need to avoid is the iceberg that has caused us to have to start again so many times.

IMO, things just need to improve next year, not dramatically. The squad is still hamstrung. 2022 is the year where dramatic change is essential

 

[BAGNF05]

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

I don't even know if it is different views on the route, I just think some people think we have started to go in the right direction where you still think we are going the wrong way.

In fairness, people have been saying we're turning things around since we got an independent board, 6 years ago. It's time to see the results.

I get that, things need to improve dramatically next year. I'm hopeful they can. What we need to avoid is the iceberg that has caused us to have to start again so many times.

I think 2021 is unrealistic mate, the top four will change not much. The Titans look to be a top eight side. We have lost our best player, who was never really ours. If we scrape into the eight it will be a Madge master stroke

Improvement is not just seen in making the 8 though which is where you are missing things. For too long we have had a very unbalanced squad, if we get to the end of next year and our squad is more balanced and we are no longer overpaying players I will be very happy.

Oh no I don’t miss things. I don’t have time to analyse the deficiencies in our squads in recent years but one thing I will point out is that when the blow torch is applied we crumble - badly. If we miss the eight but compete for 80 mins each week I’ll be on here raving about the team.

 

[cochise]

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

I don't even know if it is different views on the route, I just think some people think we have started to go in the right direction where you still think we are going the wrong way.

In fairness, people have been saying we're turning things around since we got an independent board, 6 years ago. It's time to see the results.

I get that, things need to improve dramatically next year. I'm hopeful they can. What we need to avoid is the iceberg that has caused us to have to start again so many times.


IMO, things just need to improve next year, not dramatically. The squad is still hamstrung. 2022 is the year where dramatic change is essential

The next 12 months is critical for us, the right decisions need to be made in regards to the balance of our squad, if we get that right we have a good chance to really change our fortunes. Making the 8 will make that so much easier though.

 

[cochise]

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

I don't even know if it is different views on the route, I just think some people think we have started to go in the right direction where you still think we are going the wrong way.

In fairness, people have been saying we're turning things around since we got an independent board, 6 years ago. It's time to see the results.

I get that, things need to improve dramatically next year. I'm hopeful they can. What we need to avoid is the iceberg that has caused us to have to start again so many times.

I think 2021 is unrealistic mate, the top four will change not much. The Titans look to be a top eight side. We have lost our best player, who was never really ours. If we scrape into the eight it will be a Madge master stroke

Improvement is not just seen in making the 8 though which is where you are missing things. For too long we have had a very unbalanced squad, if we get to the end of next year and our squad is more balanced and we are no longer overpaying players I will be very happy.

Oh no I don’t miss things. I don’t have time to analyse the deficiencies in our squads in recent years but one thing I will point out is that when the blow torch is applied we crumble - badly. If we miss the eight but compete for 80 mins each week I’ll be on here raving about the team.

A very wise man keeps telling me that we don't win the key moments, that is onfield and off field. It is in individual games and across a season. Off field I believe we are starting to win those moments which will allow us to get the players and develop players that start to win the key moments on field. We needed to start winning off field 1st though. We need this to continue and we need to avoid the iceberg moments that have pulled us back for the last 10 years.

 

[BAGNF05]

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

I don't even know if it is different views on the route, I just think some people think we have started to go in the right direction where you still think we are going the wrong way.

In fairness, people have been saying we're turning things around since we got an independent board, 6 years ago. It's time to see the results.

I get that, things need to improve dramatically next year. I'm hopeful they can. What we need to avoid is the iceberg that has caused us to have to start again so many times.

I think 2021 is unrealistic mate, the top four will change not much. The Titans look to be a top eight side. We have lost our best player, who was never really ours. If we scrape into the eight it will be a Madge master stroke

Improvement is not just seen in making the 8 though which is where you are missing things. For too long we have had a very unbalanced squad, if we get to the end of next year and our squad is more balanced and we are no longer overpaying players I will be very happy.

Oh no I don’t miss things. I don’t have time to analyse the deficiencies in our squads in recent years but one thing I will point out is that when the blow torch is applied we crumble - badly. If we miss the eight but compete for 80 mins each week I’ll be on here raving about the team.

A very wise man keeps telling me that we don't win the key moments, that is onfield and off field. It is in individual games and across a season. Off field I believe we are starting to win those moments which will allow us to get the players and develop players that start to win the key moments on field. We needed to start winning off field 1st though. We need this to continue and we need to avoid the iceberg moments that have pulled us back for the last 10 years.

Very true about the key moments, I’m sure I’m not the only one on here who has a sixth sense for when WT are going to drop their bundle in games, you can almost set your watch to it.

 

[Tiger5150]

Not to be be funny or rude but us not making the 8 for over a decade is nothing to do with my opinion.

This is a fact. This fact though doesn't mean we are viewed poorly or management is incompetent.

A lot of these problems are just your perspective.

And the perspective of 99% of rugby league people I know

Who cares ? Seriously. It's just your assessment of people you know. I know plenty of people and the last thing they do is tell me how incompetent the Tigers management are. I have a lot of friends who are also Tigers supporters.

How many people realistically talk to you every day about how incompetent the Tigers are ? I think most people have the Tigers management ability pretty low on their priorities of things to discuss.

I'd question your sample assessment but I assume you are just using hyperbole.

I’ve been around the game all my life, as an average player at best, coach, and referee. So I know a few and I discuss it a lot. That ranges from NRL players to my wife who patrols the junior league canteen, it’s common knowledge WT are a rabble mate.

Mate which district ? I think this has a bearing on where an opinion is coming from . There’s a lot of bias and things said like the “the tigers are a rabble “ and when pressed on the whys , they come up with a story from 5-10 years ago . Once someone gets an idea in thier head , it’s very rare for people to truely be open to changing it .
This was my whole point about targeting players Not affected by our past mistakes .
I don’t see how you can say we are a rabble when we are one of the only profitable teams in the comp ? To me , manly are a rabble . The sharks are a rabble . The sharks have had a good team since the late 80s yet fall into financial hardship every 5 years . Seriously , if the sway of living in the shire wasn’t there , they would have folded years ago . They have to recruit flat out , and this last crop of juniors is thier first in like 10 years with actual talent .

Another team that’s a rabble , the warriors . Have a whole country to pick from , but can never field a winning team . Have been through 4 owners as far as I can remember , and almost went out of business , when they changed thier name to NZ.
The dogs - have way too many hands in the kitchen , and haven’t fielded a decent team in 5 years , next year will be no different .
Secret bad team ...... NQ. Haven’t won anything , without a certain JT in thier squad , have the most diehard region of football fans in the world to pick from , huge corporate support , yet consistently produce rubbish . Bleed money like crazy as well . This same description applies to the dragons as well

You need to look at things objectively. Just because , you’re having conversations inside your echo chamber doesn’t mean , that it’s a fact . All it means is everyone inside that bubble has the same hive mind .

The region I live is irrelevant mate because it’s not just hearsay, it’s week after week of player dramas, year after year of coaching issues (note I like Madge), year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope, and a relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all. Even in the recent case, when we wanted a meeting with the NRL, they said ‘in a few weeks’. Even the league shows us little respect. Nobody is making this stuff up.

I'm just quoting this to say that this to me doesn't constitute objective truth.

Point 1:- Week after week of player drama. The only player drama I have heard of in relation to our club is the Aloiai situation. This is not week after week of drama. It's rare. Other clubs are also in the news in relation to player drama all the time. Souths have had Sam Burgess. Penrith have a cocaine problem. Nth Qld have a player sleeping with a married staff member. We aren't alone in our player drama and it's definitey not something that occurs weekly.

So point 1 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 2:- Year after year of coaching issues. I don't know what you mean here. We had Cleary leave us a coupleof years ago. Do other teams lose their coaches ? Do they sack them ? How many clubs sacked their coaches this year. Did we ?

So point 2 clearly isn't an objective fact.

Point 3:- year after year of losing our must win games after showing early glimpses of hope. Yeah this sucks but to be fair you shouldn't have hope for next season.

So point 3 might be a fact but you are missing out on a key point and that is teams have finished below us every year. I don't think it's an objective fact.

Point 4:- A relentless stream of players, player managers and other clubs treating us with no respect at all.

This is clearly not an objective fact. It's a subjective opinion that says nothing about Wests Tigers. I mean can you even explain what a relentless stream of players means. I mean is this happening to us daily ? How do you explain players taking drugs, having sex with women and filming it and even being up on rape charges. All of this is played out in the media. Do those players respect their clubs ?

Point 5:- The NRL disrespects us because they ask to delay a meeting for a couple of weeks.

This is to me a little bizarre. I mean does this really offend you ?

So your argument is, we should be allowed to have drama because other clubs do to? Look it’s simple, we need to challenge the top eight sides on the field, play finals footy, hold onto our best young players and start recruiting some guys that aren’t on another teams scrap heap. Until then, my opinion is we’re a rabble. There’s facts in there if u look hard enough.

Part of being in this business means that there will be player drama. We are dealing with young kids in a lot of ways and some of those kids have rugby league as their ticked to a better life. It happens to all teams. You can't expect us to be different.

We do challenge the top 8 sides on the field. We aren't a walkover hence we are coming middle of the table. We aren't dead last every year consistently.

As for recruitment and retention it's hard but it's not all bad. I reckon LL and AD are close to top tier signings. We've signed some great young kids in Stef and Blore and maybe even Laurie.

I can definitely state we aren't a rabble. The club appears to be doing everything it can right. We won't know how things turn out but I don't expect to make the finals next year. I do expect to keep building a decent team.

We may also surprise on the upside next season.

It’s about expectations, obviously mine are different to yours. Statistically each team should make the eight one in every two years, we haven’t made it in 9. I expect more than dead last when I make the 4 hour round trip to the footy, which I do often.

We have never been DEAD last.

So I guess your expectations have been met.

Yea , to me the guys saying and I’m paraphrasing , so relax if verbatim you didn’t say this ?, but the attitude of “we are the worst team in the comp” , has zero relevance to reality .
It’s like the NRL version of anti-vaxing, or flat earthers .
It’s true because I saw it on Facebook/ you tube , or my mate told me that his mate told him about this thing he saw on a website which was a link from another website . And somehow in 2020, this has become an actual point people are arguing .
Here’s the deal guys . If you saw it on net , and it wasn’t linked to something official , eg . A daily telegraph article , or , some random website . It’s probably not true .
Also , if your mate says something and they arnt a direct employee or , have had a first hand fact driven experience , it’s probably got a bit of magic dust sprinkled on the story, or , is jump hype train piling on , to continue the conversation at the pub. Most times when people say these things , and you ask them why they think that , it’s usually some anecdotal reason they heard somewhere , or complete BS. It’s rarely true . From my experience talking to people like this .
I’m not telling people how to suck eggs , or trying to be insulting , it’s everything you see and read has to be treated as crap. Especially the things that reinforce your strong opinion on something , as all social media , and some websites , have algorithms specifically designed to keep you in your echo chamber.
We all need to be mindful of this .

Mate you blokes get tied up on fact versus fiction.

Who is the club with the longest running finals drought? I’ve been paying membership for those 9 years, and I have every right to voice my concerns and expect more. As you do to voice yours.

So let’s move on.

You said we were the worst team in the comp. Many of us have come out and said that’s utter rubbish. Refuting that claim. It’s all good if you say something “yea your right we arnt the worst , I’m just frustrated “that’s fine . But you guys doubled down . Which lead to the whole debate . No ones having a go at you . Well I’m not at least . I just think that’s not true , and it’s the type of comment and perception , that we are railling against . Perception vs reality

No I said we’re a rabble. We’re not the only rabble.

Like I said earlier in another post I was paraphrasing . I actually think Trippa said that . Still even the rabble comment , has little to do with facts , and more just perception. We arnt a rabble . We are stuck in sports purgatory! Not good enough to compete for a title , yet not bad enough to suck outright , that you can bottom out and build from the ground up. There’s an easy way out by “tanking” or bottoming out and playing kids , or there’s the really hard route , which is trying to fix it on the fly . And because of the nature of the sport being fix it yesterday , coach’s ,GMs , recruitment managers , CEOs , make short sighted decisions because , they’re worried about thier job . Hence all the poor “marquee” signings over the last 5 years .
I hate losing more than most , I just watch a lot of different sports , both here , and the US , and it’s so hard to build a team . Here more so , because we don’t have any natural talent dispersion tools like a draft , and transparent salaries .

I agree with you on this. Whether it’s a rabble or purgatory or whatever name you give it, I’d love to see it end.

Do you think you are the only one?

No mate, we’re all wanting the same thing on here. Clearly just got different views on the route there.

I don't even know if it is different views on the route, I just think some people think we have started to go in the right direction where you still think we are going the wrong way.

In fairness, people have been saying we're turning things around since we got an independent board, 6 years ago. It's time to see the results.

I get that, things need to improve dramatically next year. I'm hopeful they can. What we need to avoid is the iceberg that has caused us to have to start again so many times.

I think 2021 is unrealistic mate, the top four will change not much. The Titans look to be a top eight side. We have lost our best player, who was never really ours. If we scrape into the eight it will be a Madge master stroke

Improvement is not just seen in making the 8 though which is where you are missing things. For too long we have had a very unbalanced squad, if we get to the end of next year and our squad is more balanced and we are no longer overpaying players I will be very happy.

Oh no I don’t miss things. I don’t have time to analyse the deficiencies in our squads in recent years but one thing I will point out is that when the blow torch is applied we crumble - badly. If we miss the eight but compete for 80 mins each week I’ll be on here raving about the team.

A very wise man keeps telling me that we don't win the key moments, that is onfield and off field. It is in individual games and across a season. Off field I believe we are starting to win those moments which will allow us to get the players and develop players that start to win the key moments on field. We needed to start winning off field 1st though. We need this to continue and we need to avoid the iceberg moments that have pulled us back for the last 10 years.

Very true about the key moments, I’m sure I’m not the only one on here who has a sixth sense for when WT are going to drop their bundle in games, you can almost set your watch to it.

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