Joe Ofahengaue #240

[twentyforty]

Ofahengaue had a decent back end of the year last 5 games all over 100m + ave 34 tackles a game with 40-50mins playing time..

Just thought I'd throw in some on the field stuff for a point of difference

Maybe motivated by the on field friendly chat he and Haas had?

 

[bathursttiger1]

Wests Tigers boss says club is no soft touch

BRENT READ
6:05PM NOVEMBER 30, 2020

Josh Aloiai slipped into a Manly jersey on Monday as Wests Tigers chair Lee Hagipantelis insisted the club had shown they were no longer a soft touch with their handling of his controversial move to the Sea Eagles.

Hagipantelis had threatened to make Aloiai mow the lawns at Leichhardt and Campbelltown unless the club reached an agreement with Manly that was acceptable to the Tigers.

The Tigers eventually allowed him to leave, but only after they received financial compensation from the Sea Eagles and signing Brisbane and Queensland forward Joe Ofahengaue to fill the void created by Aloiai’s departure.

The Tigers have been branded pushovers in the past, but Hagipantelis insists they showed with their handling of Aloiai that they would no longer be an easy mark.

“I said we would not be releasing him unless there was an advantageous outcome for the Wests Tigers,” Hagipantelis said.

“At the end of the day if a player comes to you and asks to be released in the manner Josh approached the club, his remaining at the club comes untenable.

“It wasn’t simply a matter of the player approaching the club and asking for the release. There was another level introduced into it — it was publicly reported that he threatened to never pull on the jersey again.

“The jersey has a certain intrinsic value that every supporter understands. It became clear from the outset that him remaining at the Tigers was untenable.

“What we have done is release a player who did not want to play for the Wests Tigers, we have secured a player who does want to play for the Wests Tigers, and there has been a financial accommodation with two of the clubs which serves the interest of the Wests Tigers.

“So we held firm and we fulfilled out expectations as to how it was going to pan out. I think from a Wests Tigers fan and member perspective you should be proud with the way the club dealt with this situation.”

Aloiai was at Manly’s Narrabeen headquarters on Monday, having made an immediate switch to the Sea Eagles after being released fro the final year of his contract with the Tigers.

Ofahengaue, whose deal will be paid in part by the Brisbane Broncos, is yet to begin training with the Tigers, although he is expected to join his new teammates later this week.

“Did Josh get what he wanted? Yes, he got released,” Hagipantelis said.
“Did the Wests Tigers set the conditions on which the release would be granted? Yes we did. Were those conditions fulfilled? Yes, they were.

“We had a player that made it very clear he didn’t want to play with us. I ask rhetorically, why would any fan or member want that player to remain?”

Asked wether he had a parting message for Aloiai, Hagipantelis said: “I just wish Josh all the very best. I hope he takes a moment to think about some of the more intemperate remarks he made about the Wests Tigers and that he may think better of them moving forward.

“I would hope he cherishes his time at the Wests Tigers and this incident hasn’t soured any of that.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/wests-tigers-boss-says-club-is-no-soft-touch/news-story/2ea652a1c82931799bd3aee962cf171b

So not only are we a snowflake team we now hand out instruction manuals - “how to leave Wests Tigers if you are disgruntled”. What happens next time Lee when no props are available? Is it untenable then?

You can paint this result anyway you choose but in the end .... it’s the WT club, the Board its Chairman and the coaching staff that received the compensation and replacement player which they wanted. So satisfactory result as far as I can see.
Nothing to throw mud about.

I don’t hate the outcome but I’m disappointed in the way it leaves us open to Adam Douehi or LL doing the exact same thing.

Well so is the rest of the clubs in the league. Nothing will change until the NRL puts some effort into this problem and implements some serious rules and penalties to prevent this situation in the future.
And don’t get me started about that other elephant in the room (salary cap and player payments) that is always in too hard basket for the NRL, the clubs and the players association to get serious about.
They have these cast of thousands committees forever banging on about one or two referees and what not whilst ignoring these two priorities areas which turn ..... fans of the game like us ..... from the game in increasing numbers.

Parra enforced the Utoikamanu contract
Penrith are enforcing the Laurie contract
Dragons didn’t let Saab go this year
Gold Coast enforced Jai Arrow
Penrith are keeping Burton
Frizell stayed at Stgeorge
Melbourne / Josh Addo Carr
Etc

Why are we the snowflakes??

South's let Joseph Suaalii ( so called player of the future) go for $50K, they must be a snow blizzard.

Latrell, Gagai, AJ, Campbell Graham, Cody, Reyno, I think they’ll be ok.

Tamou, Twal, Utoikamanu, Mikaele, Musgrove, Packer, I think we'll be okay.

Hahaha I sincerely HOPE that list of players performs this year. I KNOW the Souths backline will.

If South's fowards get owned this year it's no good having a star studded backline, as we've found out over the last few seasons.

 

[Russell]

Wests Tigers boss says club is no soft touch

BRENT READ
6:05PM NOVEMBER 30, 2020

Josh Aloiai slipped into a Manly jersey on Monday as Wests Tigers chair Lee Hagipantelis insisted the club had shown they were no longer a soft touch with their handling of his controversial move to the Sea Eagles.

Hagipantelis had threatened to make Aloiai mow the lawns at Leichhardt and Campbelltown unless the club reached an agreement with Manly that was acceptable to the Tigers.

The Tigers eventually allowed him to leave, but only after they received financial compensation from the Sea Eagles and signing Brisbane and Queensland forward Joe Ofahengaue to fill the void created by Aloiai’s departure.

The Tigers have been branded pushovers in the past, but Hagipantelis insists they showed with their handling of Aloiai that they would no longer be an easy mark.

“I said we would not be releasing him unless there was an advantageous outcome for the Wests Tigers,” Hagipantelis said.

“At the end of the day if a player comes to you and asks to be released in the manner Josh approached the club, his remaining at the club comes untenable.

“It wasn’t simply a matter of the player approaching the club and asking for the release. There was another level introduced into it — it was publicly reported that he threatened to never pull on the jersey again.

“The jersey has a certain intrinsic value that every supporter understands. It became clear from the outset that him remaining at the Tigers was untenable.

“What we have done is release a player who did not want to play for the Wests Tigers, we have secured a player who does want to play for the Wests Tigers, and there has been a financial accommodation with two of the clubs which serves the interest of the Wests Tigers.

“So we held firm and we fulfilled out expectations as to how it was going to pan out. I think from a Wests Tigers fan and member perspective you should be proud with the way the club dealt with this situation.”

Aloiai was at Manly’s Narrabeen headquarters on Monday, having made an immediate switch to the Sea Eagles after being released fro the final year of his contract with the Tigers.

Ofahengaue, whose deal will be paid in part by the Brisbane Broncos, is yet to begin training with the Tigers, although he is expected to join his new teammates later this week.

“Did Josh get what he wanted? Yes, he got released,” Hagipantelis said.
“Did the Wests Tigers set the conditions on which the release would be granted? Yes we did. Were those conditions fulfilled? Yes, they were.

“We had a player that made it very clear he didn’t want to play with us. I ask rhetorically, why would any fan or member want that player to remain?”

Asked wether he had a parting message for Aloiai, Hagipantelis said: “I just wish Josh all the very best. I hope he takes a moment to think about some of the more intemperate remarks he made about the Wests Tigers and that he may think better of them moving forward.

“I would hope he cherishes his time at the Wests Tigers and this incident hasn’t soured any of that.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/wests-tigers-boss-says-club-is-no-soft-touch/news-story/2ea652a1c82931799bd3aee962cf171b

So not only are we a snowflake team we now hand out instruction manuals - “how to leave Wests Tigers if you are disgruntled”. What happens next time Lee when no props are available? Is it untenable then?

You can paint this result anyway you choose but in the end .... it’s the WT club, the Board its Chairman and the coaching staff that received the compensation and replacement player which they wanted. So satisfactory result as far as I can see.
Nothing to throw mud about.

I don’t hate the outcome but I’m disappointed in the way it leaves us open to Adam Douehi or LL doing the exact same thing.

Well so is the rest of the clubs in the league. Nothing will change until the NRL puts some effort into this problem and implements some serious rules and penalties to prevent this situation in the future.
And don’t get me started about that other elephant in the room (salary cap and player payments) that is always in too hard basket for the NRL, the clubs and the players association to get serious about.
They have these cast of thousands committees forever banging on about one or two referees and what not whilst ignoring these two priorities areas which turn ..... fans of the game like us ..... from the game in increasing numbers.

Parra enforced the Utoikamanu contract
Penrith are enforcing the Laurie contract
Dragons didn’t let Saab go this year
Gold Coast enforced Jai Arrow
Penrith are keeping Burton
Frizell stayed at Stgeorge
Melbourne / Josh Addo Carr
Etc

Why are we the snowflakes??

Edit: also agree with your salary cap commentary, I enjoy watching the NFL more these days with the draft-transfer rules being much more equitable.

We achieved a positive outcome. You seem to have difficulty comprehending that.

1. I’m calling the outcome satisfactory until it plays out but on this occasion the club managed to secure a decent prop - lucky there was one available.

2. I’m unhappy because I still think it will happen again, potentially when AD or LL get sick of whatever it is going wrong at the place. Lee has basically stated that in the media today, if you say you don’t want to play for the jersey we’ll release you (no matter how much you’re needed because it’s untenable).

3. People seem to get upset on here when I criticise the club, we’ve missed finals for going on a decade, questions have to be asked.

You obviously have inside info on AD and Lucy wanting to sook and ask for a release. You keep mentioning these two players only.

Don't think you could have picked two worse players to fit your scenario myself.

I'll tell you what is wrong with the place, Simple: Sooky little players that come here, put in one a half a good year, get a swelled head and want more money at all costs.

How do you stop it? At club level you can't, it's an NRL problem.

We can get rid of the sooks though, when it is to our advantage. In both those cases we came out better off.

 

[Tiger5150]

Lee's comments are ridiculous. Why does he talk to the media? Those comments are embarrassing. Even if we weren't soft in the JA negotiations (I think we were) it still doesn't change our recent history of being bullied by players, coaches and managers. I just don't see what benefit there is for him to announce how much impact a player airing their public grievances can have on the club's decision making process. It sounds childish. I've been uncomfortable with his openness in the past, I actually wonder about his judgement now.

He should never of shared what JA reportedly said with the media. It was a certain way to turn the fans on him and give justification for possibly releasing him. But then he talked tough and made the lawnmower references and didn't follow through.. We got an outcome from it - some believe a good one and hopefully it will be - but no solution to the problem.

He didnt share it with the media, one of his "mates" did (also the same in here). The media reported the story and asked Lee for a response.

 

[Tiger5150]

Wests Tigers boss says club is no soft touch

BRENT READ
6:05PM NOVEMBER 30, 2020

Josh Aloiai slipped into a Manly jersey on Monday as Wests Tigers chair Lee Hagipantelis insisted the club had shown they were no longer a soft touch with their handling of his controversial move to the Sea Eagles.

Hagipantelis had threatened to make Aloiai mow the lawns at Leichhardt and Campbelltown unless the club reached an agreement with Manly that was acceptable to the Tigers.

The Tigers eventually allowed him to leave, but only after they received financial compensation from the Sea Eagles and signing Brisbane and Queensland forward Joe Ofahengaue to fill the void created by Aloiai’s departure.

The Tigers have been branded pushovers in the past, but Hagipantelis insists they showed with their handling of Aloiai that they would no longer be an easy mark.

“I said we would not be releasing him unless there was an advantageous outcome for the Wests Tigers,” Hagipantelis said.

“At the end of the day if a player comes to you and asks to be released in the manner Josh approached the club, his remaining at the club comes untenable.

“It wasn’t simply a matter of the player approaching the club and asking for the release. There was another level introduced into it — it was publicly reported that he threatened to never pull on the jersey again.

“The jersey has a certain intrinsic value that every supporter understands. It became clear from the outset that him remaining at the Tigers was untenable.

“What we have done is release a player who did not want to play for the Wests Tigers, we have secured a player who does want to play for the Wests Tigers, and there has been a financial accommodation with two of the clubs which serves the interest of the Wests Tigers.

“So we held firm and we fulfilled out expectations as to how it was going to pan out. I think from a Wests Tigers fan and member perspective you should be proud with the way the club dealt with this situation.”

Aloiai was at Manly’s Narrabeen headquarters on Monday, having made an immediate switch to the Sea Eagles after being released fro the final year of his contract with the Tigers.

Ofahengaue, whose deal will be paid in part by the Brisbane Broncos, is yet to begin training with the Tigers, although he is expected to join his new teammates later this week.

“Did Josh get what he wanted? Yes, he got released,” Hagipantelis said.
“Did the Wests Tigers set the conditions on which the release would be granted? Yes we did. Were those conditions fulfilled? Yes, they were.

“We had a player that made it very clear he didn’t want to play with us. I ask rhetorically, why would any fan or member want that player to remain?”

Asked wether he had a parting message for Aloiai, Hagipantelis said: “I just wish Josh all the very best. I hope he takes a moment to think about some of the more intemperate remarks he made about the Wests Tigers and that he may think better of them moving forward.

“I would hope he cherishes his time at the Wests Tigers and this incident hasn’t soured any of that.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/wests-tigers-boss-says-club-is-no-soft-touch/news-story/2ea652a1c82931799bd3aee962cf171b

So not only are we a snowflake team we now hand out instruction manuals - “how to leave Wests Tigers if you are disgruntled”. What happens next time Lee when no props are available? Is it untenable then?

You can paint this result anyway you choose but in the end .... it’s the WT club, the Board its Chairman and the coaching staff that received the compensation and replacement player which they wanted. So satisfactory result as far as I can see.
Nothing to throw mud about.

I don’t hate the outcome but I’m disappointed in the way it leaves us open to Adam Douehi or LL doing the exact same thing.

Well so is the rest of the clubs in the league. Nothing will change until the NRL puts some effort into this problem and implements some serious rules and penalties to prevent this situation in the future.
And don’t get me started about that other elephant in the room (salary cap and player payments) that is always in too hard basket for the NRL, the clubs and the players association to get serious about.
They have these cast of thousands committees forever banging on about one or two referees and what not whilst ignoring these two priorities areas which turn ..... fans of the game like us ..... from the game in increasing numbers.

Parra enforced the Utoikamanu contract
Penrith are enforcing the Laurie contract
Dragons didn’t let Saab go this year
Gold Coast enforced Jai Arrow
Penrith are keeping Burton
Frizell stayed at Stgeorge
Melbourne / Josh Addo Carr
Etc

Why are we the snowflakes??

Edit: also agree with your salary cap commentary, I enjoy watching the NFL more these days with the draft-transfer rules being much more equitable.

We achieved a positive outcome. You seem to have difficulty comprehending that.

Exactly, in difficult circumstances, the Club at all levels has performed really well and improved the position of the club, squad and team and looked good in the media whilst doing it. All of the things we have been asking of management for a long time. There are some here though with an intrenched agenda against the management of the club and in the face of MASSIVE cognitive dissonance it is doing their heads in.

 

[Geo]

Wests Tigers boss says club is no soft touch

BRENT READ
6:05PM NOVEMBER 30, 2020

Josh Aloiai slipped into a Manly jersey on Monday as Wests Tigers chair Lee Hagipantelis insisted the club had shown they were no longer a soft touch with their handling of his controversial move to the Sea Eagles.

Hagipantelis had threatened to make Aloiai mow the lawns at Leichhardt and Campbelltown unless the club reached an agreement with Manly that was acceptable to the Tigers.

The Tigers eventually allowed him to leave, but only after they received financial compensation from the Sea Eagles and signing Brisbane and Queensland forward Joe Ofahengaue to fill the void created by Aloiai’s departure.

The Tigers have been branded pushovers in the past, but Hagipantelis insists they showed with their handling of Aloiai that they would no longer be an easy mark.

“I said we would not be releasing him unless there was an advantageous outcome for the Wests Tigers,” Hagipantelis said.

“At the end of the day if a player comes to you and asks to be released in the manner Josh approached the club, his remaining at the club comes untenable.

“It wasn’t simply a matter of the player approaching the club and asking for the release. There was another level introduced into it — it was publicly reported that he threatened to never pull on the jersey again.

“The jersey has a certain intrinsic value that every supporter understands. It became clear from the outset that him remaining at the Tigers was untenable.

“What we have done is release a player who did not want to play for the Wests Tigers, we have secured a player who does want to play for the Wests Tigers, and there has been a financial accommodation with two of the clubs which serves the interest of the Wests Tigers.

“So we held firm and we fulfilled out expectations as to how it was going to pan out. I think from a Wests Tigers fan and member perspective you should be proud with the way the club dealt with this situation.”

Aloiai was at Manly’s Narrabeen headquarters on Monday, having made an immediate switch to the Sea Eagles after being released fro the final year of his contract with the Tigers.

Ofahengaue, whose deal will be paid in part by the Brisbane Broncos, is yet to begin training with the Tigers, although he is expected to join his new teammates later this week.

“Did Josh get what he wanted? Yes, he got released,” Hagipantelis said.
“Did the Wests Tigers set the conditions on which the release would be granted? Yes we did. Were those conditions fulfilled? Yes, they were.

“We had a player that made it very clear he didn’t want to play with us. I ask rhetorically, why would any fan or member want that player to remain?”

Asked wether he had a parting message for Aloiai, Hagipantelis said: “I just wish Josh all the very best. I hope he takes a moment to think about some of the more intemperate remarks he made about the Wests Tigers and that he may think better of them moving forward.

“I would hope he cherishes his time at the Wests Tigers and this incident hasn’t soured any of that.”

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/wests-tigers-boss-says-club-is-no-soft-touch/news-story/2ea652a1c82931799bd3aee962cf171b

So not only are we a snowflake team we now hand out instruction manuals - “how to leave Wests Tigers if you are disgruntled”. What happens next time Lee when no props are available? Is it untenable then?

You can paint this result anyway you choose but in the end .... it’s the WT club, the Board its Chairman and the coaching staff that received the compensation and replacement player which they wanted. So satisfactory result as far as I can see.
Nothing to throw mud about.

I don’t hate the outcome but I’m disappointed in the way it leaves us open to Adam Douehi or LL doing the exact same thing.

Well so is the rest of the clubs in the league. Nothing will change until the NRL puts some effort into this problem and implements some serious rules and penalties to prevent this situation in the future.
And don’t get me started about that other elephant in the room (salary cap and player payments) that is always in too hard basket for the NRL, the clubs and the players association to get serious about.
They have these cast of thousands committees forever banging on about one or two referees and what not whilst ignoring these two priorities areas which turn ..... fans of the game like us ..... from the game in increasing numbers.

Parra enforced the Utoikamanu contract
Penrith are enforcing the Laurie contract
Dragons didn’t let Saab go this year
Gold Coast enforced Jai Arrow
Penrith are keeping Burton
Frizell stayed at Stgeorge
Melbourne / Josh Addo Carr
Etc

Why are we the snowflakes??

Edit: also agree with your salary cap commentary, I enjoy watching the NFL more these days with the draft-transfer rules being much more equitable.

We achieved a positive outcome. You seem to have difficulty comprehending that.


Exactly, in difficult circumstances, the Club at all levels has performed really well and improved the position of the club, squad and team and looked good in the media whilst doing it. All of the things we have been asking of management for a long time. There are some here though with an intrenched agenda against the management of the club and in the face of MASSIVE cognitive dissonance it is doing their heads in.

This is true in one sense..

The true result won't be known for some time however because it is on the footy field that dictates the outcome..

I see why people may be sceptical

 

[Telltails]

Lee's comments are ridiculous. Why does he talk to the media? Those comments are embarrassing. Even if we weren't soft in the JA negotiations (I think we were) it still doesn't change our recent history of being bullied by players, coaches and managers. I just don't see what benefit there is for him to announce how much impact a player airing their public grievances can have on the club's decision making process. It sounds childish. I've been uncomfortable with his openness in the past, I actually wonder about his judgement now.

He should never of shared what JA reportedly said with the media. It was a certain way to turn the fans on him and give justification for possibly releasing him. But then he talked tough and made the lawnmower references and didn't follow through.. We got an outcome from it - some believe a good one and hopefully it will be - but no solution to the problem.


He didnt share it with the media, one of his "mates" did (also the same in here). The media reported the story and asked Lee for a response.

If the chair reports every thing to the media that goes on behind closed doors then he is in the wrong position. Everything that JA has reportedly said has been second hand information. He should not have escalated it.

 

[Tiger5150]

Lee's comments are ridiculous. Why does he talk to the media? Those comments are embarrassing. Even if we weren't soft in the JA negotiations (I think we were) it still doesn't change our recent history of being bullied by players, coaches and managers. I just don't see what benefit there is for him to announce how much impact a player airing their public grievances can have on the club's decision making process. It sounds childish. I've been uncomfortable with his openness in the past, I actually wonder about his judgement now.

I agree with thoughts on Lee H. He has a high media profile (and position as WT Chairperson) built on leading the Aldi-equivalent of a law firm. He is more liability than asset to the corporate and media standing of WT, in my opinion.

That's fine, but I didn't enjoy his comments as they weren't required. Do you seriously think the reputation and profile of WT has been improved by his regular media comments?

I certainly do. How good is your memory? The media were all over us, negative story after negative story, relentless. Since Lee has got on the front foot, nearly all of the media reporting is sympathetic to the Tigers. I think you would be surprised how highly Lee is regarded in RL circles. His funding is widespread,

 

[Tiger5150]

Lee's comments are ridiculous. Why does he talk to the media? Those comments are embarrassing. Even if we weren't soft in the JA negotiations (I think we were) it still doesn't change our recent history of being bullied by players, coaches and managers. I just don't see what benefit there is for him to announce how much impact a player airing their public grievances can have on the club's decision making process. It sounds childish. I've been uncomfortable with his openness in the past, I actually wonder about his judgement now.

He should never of shared what JA reportedly said with the media. It was a certain way to turn the fans on him and give justification for possibly releasing him. But then he talked tough and made the lawnmower references and didn't follow through.. We got an outcome from it - some believe a good one and hopefully it will be - but no solution to the problem.


He didnt share it with the media, one of his "mates" did (also the same in here). The media reported the story and asked Lee for a response.

If the chair reports every thing to the media that goes on behind closed doors then he is in the wrong position. Everything that JA has reportedly said has been second hand information. He should not have escalated it.

He didnt. Someone else did and Lee was asked. He got on the front foot and it immediately turned the media narrative in our favour. It was also the truth

 

[old_man_tiger]

I'm sure it's the money he gives SEN that is helping the club and appreciate that. I don't think it's necessarily his words, but you can't really ask him not to as:
1 - he is the chair
2 - he is the major sponsor

Personally I don't like it, but that's irrelevant until I successfully stage a coup of WT, NSW or Aus.

This round is a draw until we see Aloiai and Joe O play I guess.

 

[Telltails]

Lee's comments are ridiculous. Why does he talk to the media? Those comments are embarrassing. Even if we weren't soft in the JA negotiations (I think we were) it still doesn't change our recent history of being bullied by players, coaches and managers. I just don't see what benefit there is for him to announce how much impact a player airing their public grievances can have on the club's decision making process. It sounds childish. I've been uncomfortable with his openness in the past, I actually wonder about his judgement now.

He should never of shared what JA reportedly said with the media. It was a certain way to turn the fans on him and give justification for possibly releasing him. But then he talked tough and made the lawnmower references and didn't follow through.. We got an outcome from it - some believe a good one and hopefully it will be - but no solution to the problem.


He didnt share it with the media, one of his "mates" did (also the same in here). The media reported the story and asked Lee for a response.

If the chair reports every thing to the media that goes on behind closed doors then he is in the wrong position. Everything that JA has reportedly said has been second hand information. He should not have escalated it.


He didnt. Someone else did and Lee was asked. He got on the front foot and it immediately turned the media narrative in our favour. It was also the truth

It was a rumour on the internet by an anonymous source. Do you really want him responding to those type of questions from the media? As for turning the narrative in our favour Tyran Smith Alolai and Manly might see that differently. Seems like his involvement ensured they all got what they wanted.
All I know is giving into dummy spits ensures one thing - more of them. At some point you have to take a hit and stop the rot. JA is not mowing lawns - tough words from our chair - he has gained a 600k contract with another club. Agree to disagree on this one.

 

[TigerWest]

Lee's comments are ridiculous. Why does he talk to the media? Those comments are embarrassing. Even if we weren't soft in the JA negotiations (I think we were) it still doesn't change our recent history of being bullied by players, coaches and managers. I just don't see what benefit there is for him to announce how much impact a player airing their public grievances can have on the club's decision making process. It sounds childish. I've been uncomfortable with his openness in the past, I actually wonder about his judgement now.

I agree with thoughts on Lee H. He has a high media profile (and position as WT Chairperson) built on leading the Aldi-equivalent of a law firm. He is more liability than asset to the corporate and media standing of WT, in my opinion.

He also puts in a bucket load of money and time to the club, I enjoyed his comments because it was what I was thinking, reality is, that it was never going to happen, we need a full roster.

That's fine, but I didn't enjoy his comments as they weren't required. Do you seriously think the reputation and profile of WT has been improved by his regular media comments? The guy's a loose cannon, in my humble opinion.

As for his financial support of WT, that's true. But the last time I looked Brydens Lawyers also have some sponsorship with other NRL clubs? Seems like a conflict of interest to me by our Lee.

Are you serious or just having a laugh?

 

[Tiger5150]

Lee's comments are ridiculous. Why does he talk to the media? Those comments are embarrassing. Even if we weren't soft in the JA negotiations (I think we were) it still doesn't change our recent history of being bullied by players, coaches and managers. I just don't see what benefit there is for him to announce how much impact a player airing their public grievances can have on the club's decision making process. It sounds childish. I've been uncomfortable with his openness in the past, I actually wonder about his judgement now.

He should never of shared what JA reportedly said with the media. It was a certain way to turn the fans on him and give justification for possibly releasing him. But then he talked tough and made the lawnmower references and didn't follow through.. We got an outcome from it - some believe a good one and hopefully it will be - but no solution to the problem.


He didnt share it with the media, one of his "mates" did (also the same in here). The media reported the story and asked Lee for a response.

If the chair reports every thing to the media that goes on behind closed doors then he is in the wrong position. Everything that JA has reportedly said has been second hand information. He should not have escalated it.


He didnt. Someone else did and Lee was asked. He got on the front foot and it immediately turned the media narrative in our favour. It was also the truth

***It was a rumour on the internet by an anonymous source***. Do you really want him responding to those type of questions from the media?

But that is not what you said, you said ***"He (Lee) should never of shared what JA reportedly said with the media."***. Lee didnt share what was said, someone else leaked it to the media, as you know there was someone here wanting to sjow the same information to anyone who asked. That is the whole point and there is nothing to "agree to disagree" about. Lee did not report what was said in the media, he responded to it.

As for turning the narrative in our favour Tyran Smith Alolai and Manly might see that differently. Seems like his involvement ensured they all got what they wanted.

And what does that have to do with the media narrative? The media have been very sympathetic to Tigers cause since Lee spoke up. Not really arguable and your example has nothing to do with it.



All I know is giving into dummy spits ensures one thing - more of them. At some point you have to take a hit and stop the rot. JA is not mowing lawns - tough words from our chair - he has gained a 600k contract with another club. Agree to disagree on this one.

As far as Smith & Aloiai "getting what they wanted", Aloiai was offered $200K more from Manly than Tigers, he was always going there, good luck to everyone. Lee/Pascoe/Hartigan/Madge turned a bad situation into a positive for the club, surely thats "What **we** wanted?".

The alternative? An expensive player sulking in CC, with no replacement and no cash to try to get Laurie early. Thats the way you would have gone?

 

[Telltails]

Lee's comments are ridiculous. Why does he talk to the media? Those comments are embarrassing. Even if we weren't soft in the JA negotiations (I think we were) it still doesn't change our recent history of being bullied by players, coaches and managers. I just don't see what benefit there is for him to announce how much impact a player airing their public grievances can have on the club's decision making process. It sounds childish. I've been uncomfortable with his openness in the past, I actually wonder about his judgement now.

He should never of shared what JA reportedly said with the media. It was a certain way to turn the fans on him and give justification for possibly releasing him. But then he talked tough and made the lawnmower references and didn't follow through.. We got an outcome from it - some believe a good one and hopefully it will be - but no solution to the problem.


He didnt share it with the media, one of his "mates" did (also the same in here). The media reported the story and asked Lee for a response.

If the chair reports every thing to the media that goes on behind closed doors then he is in the wrong position. Everything that JA has reportedly said has been second hand information. He should not have escalated it.


He didnt. Someone else did and Lee was asked. He got on the front foot and it immediately turned the media narrative in our favour. It was also the truth

***It was a rumour on the internet by an anonymous source***. Do you really want him responding to those type of questions from the media?

But that is not what you said, you said ***"He (Lee) should never of shared what JA reportedly said with the media."***. Lee didnt share what was said, someone else leaked it to the media, as you know there was someone here wanting to sjow the same information to anyone who asked. That is the whole point and there is nothing to "agree to disagree" about. Lee did not report what was said in the media, he responded to it.

As for turning the narrative in our favour Tyran Smith Alolai and Manly might see that differently. Seems like his involvement ensured they all got what they wanted.

And what does that have to do with the media narrative? The media have been very sympathetic to Tigers cause since Lee spoke up. Not really arguable and your example has nothing to do with it.



All I know is giving into dummy spits ensures one thing - more of them. At some point you have to take a hit and stop the rot. JA is not mowing lawns - tough words from our chair - he has gained a 600k contract with another club. Agree to disagree on this one.

As far as Smith & Aloiai "getting what they wanted", Aloiai was offered $200K more from Manly than Tigers, he was always going there, good luck to everyone. Lee/Pascoe/Hartigan/Madge turned a bad situation into a positive for the club, surely thats "What **we** wanted?".

The alternative? An expensive player sulking in CC, with no replacement and no cash to try to get Laurie early. Thats the way you would have gone?

Respond to it he poured petrol on it and set it alight - up until then it was still a rumour, so he did share it and confirmed it. Do you really want sympathy from the media for being taken advantage of again - because that is what the sympathy is for? Id rather be admired for taking a stand. Lee talked tough and all emotion aside we buckled. You don't agree all good.

 

[balmain boy]

We wouldn't have released Josh if we didn't have Joe or someone of a similar stature lined up. The way it worked out this time was very convenient for us and stopped things getting nasty. It usually doesn't happen that conveniently.
If Joffa had a;ready signed elsewhere and there was a real gap in the market for decent props then a simple transfer fee wouldn't have been enough to get a release as our squad as a whole would have been worse off. I have no doubt we would have forced Aloiai to be present yesterday if no replacement had yet been provided or sourced.

 

[TigerWest]

We wouldn't have released Josh if we didn't have Joe or someone of a similar stature lined up. The way it worked out this time was very convenient for us and stopped things getting nasty. It usually doesn't happen that conveniently.
If Joffa had a;ready signed elsewhere and there was a real gap in the market for decent props then a simple transfer fee wouldn't have been enough to get a release as our squad as a whole would have been worse off. I have no doubt we would have forced Aloiai to be present yesterday if no replacement had yet been provided or sourced.

It really is as simple as that, not sure why the angst, he guy wanted out.

 

[earl]

We can get rid of the sooks though, when it is to our advantage. In both those cases we came out better off.

I agree with your post but would we better with Matterson and Aloiai in our team now ? I think we would be.

Those guys had great seasons for us. They carried us. They were then targeted by other clubs who want quality players and they left early because they wanted more money. The same thing happened with Harry Grant but he was simply a loan to us.

The club has managed recruitment and retention extremely well when you consider the quality of players they've lost.

It's a bad situation. I don't like seeing players act like that and getting rewarded.

 

[trentrunciman]

suprised to see smokin joe is only 25 years old.

iAlthough his form i think dipped this year i liked his enthusiasm when i watched the few broncs games this year. The way he gee'd his team mates up when they were in defence.

 

[TigerWest]

suprised to see smokin joe is only 25 years old.

iAlthough his form i think dipped this year i liked his enthusiasm when i watched the few broncs games this year. The way he gee'd his team mates up when they were in defence.

I hope he doesn't gee up our blokes in the same way then:joy: :joy: :joy: