jirskyr
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You won't have to wait that long to find out for sure.
John Bateman #268
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Do you think the success of 2005 and the Juniors he walked into afforded him the ability to hold future Juniors, And to get Juniors to commit to the club on the back of those players?
I feel it was also a different generation back then, The World was a much bigger place than it is now...
Internet wasn't immediate and the likes, Was a bit easier to keep secrets and hide good kids away.
You're right though, He's the best we've had at it.... He's also had the longest time to be the best - And as you say, Kicked off with generational talent.
"Ask any of the player managers how good our crop of kids are," Sheens said.
"That's part of the issue ... we have a very, very good group of kids and we've got every club in the game chasing them."
Sheens quote from 2012.
Things havnt changed in relation to percieved talent and neither have we as a club to retain and develop them - yet other clubs have.
While ever the salary cap in a competitive Sydney market allows clubs to afford and keep the best players, holding onto and developing those players here, is going to be a challenge for any coach yet it seems we consistently make the coach accountable.
It's going to take more than Tim Sheens to compete with the strong Sydney market to lift this club out of the doldrums and it starts in the head office. We are financially in a better position - that can't be ignored - but we have a lot of ground to make up to change the perception that this club is not a place to advance your career - player or coach.
"That's part of the issue ... we have a very, very good group of kids and we've got every club in the game chasing them."
Sheens quote from 2012.
Things havnt changed in relation to percieved talent and neither have we as a club to retain and develop them - yet other clubs have.
While ever the salary cap in a competitive Sydney market allows clubs to afford and keep the best players, holding onto and developing those players here, is going to be a challenge for any coach yet it seems we consistently make the coach accountable.
It's going to take more than Tim Sheens to compete with the strong Sydney market to lift this club out of the doldrums and it starts in the head office. We are financially in a better position - that can't be ignored - but we have a lot of ground to make up to change the perception that this club is not a place to advance your career - player or coach.
pawsandclaws1
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The positive from our pathways is the re-engagement with the Campbelltown and Macarthur districts. We had Hodgson, Gibbs, Fulton, Noafaluma and Tedescio (and no doubt others) emerge. The quality of the latest crop confirms we are learning from past mistakes. The intention of the Govt to continue to develop homes in the SW release areas is good news for WTs.
Jedi_Tiger
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Klemmer is wanting 800k for 2023 that is a hell of a lot for a front rower
Not wanting, that's his contract he signed 3 years ago
jirskyr
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Not really, no.
For example, even though we won the comp we still couldn't get any players in Origin that year, and Scott Prince was the only rep when selected for the Kangaroos tour in the off-season. I.e. your captain and Clive Churchill medallist is the only bloke who gets a look in for secondary Test matches. So I don't think anyone took our success seriously, or thought it was part of a new Tigers dynasty, or that our players were truly top-tier footballers.
I think Sheens was the first coach to properly install a Wests Tigers culture, and for all the modern talk of identity, Tigers did have a unique identity back then, not always a positive one, of being entertaining, dangerous and defensively frail. I think it's that culture that appealed to the juniors, and the long-term commitment of key respectable players like Benji and Farah. We haven't had that next Benji or Farah since Sheens left, who makes other players better and makes them want to stay at the club, even if not constantly playing finals football. We may have had a new breed with Tedesco, Moses, Woods and Brooks, but 3 of them overlooked the club for self-interest, and the guy we kept has consistently failed.
It is of course the "boys club" that is identified as one of the downfalls of Sheens Mk I, a comfort, familiarity and commitment to the club that started to get in the way of results, where we were actually struggling to move some decent players on, rather than struggling to keep them.
But you are right also that some of that consideration is 20 years old, and it's a full 2-3 generations of footballers hence that we need to consider. The market is definitely much more self-interest, self-brand. Instagram and Tiktok didn't even launch until 2010 and 2016 respectively.
Odessa
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Mate at a guest how much cap is left for next year ?
Odessa
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Can the club afford two good players?;
Odessa
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I hope we get Bateman Klemmer and find a centre with some punch
CloudyGlock
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I have no knowledge of finances. Talking to very good players. No signatures.
earl
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I agree with you but we signed IP and Api. I suppose I'm stating it's not black and white and we can compete if we do the right thing.
That is why I'm concerned with signing Woods and Bateman. If you stuff up recruitment it makes the hole much harder to get out of.
pawsandclaws1
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I'm looking forward to him joining WTs.
Talk is cheap isn’t it? Never a truer point to that sentiment.
Tiger_Fanatic3
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‘It’s always good to be liked’: Bateman addresses big-money move back to NRL with Tigers
England and Wigan star John Bateman has done nothing to douse chatter of an imminent return to the NRL on a big-money deal at the Wests Tigers.
Bateman didn’t deny the move following England’s emphatic quarterfinal win over PNG on Sunday AEDT.
The former Raiders star and 2019 Dally M second rower of the year told foxsports he’ll make a call on returning to the NRL after the World Cup.
“I’ll sort out what I need to sort out after the World Cup and the decision will come then,” Bateman told foxsports.com.au.
“I’ve got a contract at Wigan and rumours are rumours, but it’s always good to be liked - I don’t care what you say.
“I’ve got a World Cup to focus on and that’s what I am going to be focusing on, I’ll answer the questions after the World Cup.”
Bateman can command almost double his Super League salary by returning to Australia and a return looks almost certain.
The 29-year-old has a daughter with his Australian partner, but he also has an England-based teenage daughter.
Bateman played in the 2017 World Cup final loss to Australia and is determined to go one better and end England’s 50-year drought.
“I played and it was really disappointing, we lost by six points,” Bateman said.
“We’ve won a couple of games this time that people didn’t expect us to win but we’re confident in ourselves.
“We know what we need to do and we know where we want to go.” (FOX)
balmain boy
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Be real. Klemmer is still about a 500-600k player for most clubs.
We are awful. we could never sign any top player for market rates. We'd be looking at a million for Haas, Fisher Harris etc. Klemmer is worth 700k for us next season, he would be the leader of the pack. Paying 800k is only slightly higher than his actual value.
Statistically he was twice as good as our current props.
tony soprano
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Interestingly SEN were talking about the Bateman and Hastings issue and Joel Caine high lighted that Mark O'Neil and sheens never got along and used it as an example of not needing everyone to get along.
Never knew buckets and sheens didn't get along, anyone hear of this before?
Never knew buckets and sheens didn't get along, anyone hear of this before?
Well sheens took the (C) off buckets and gave it to Prince mid season.... I don't think O'Neill was thrilled about it
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