John Hopoate to be sacked

I don't like Hoppa - But he has done the yards and gone through all the hoops to get to where he's at coaching wise. Bob Fulton is no mug, And he wants him there….
- Russell Packer stomped a mans skull into the kerb - Yet he's again an NRL star, Out there everyday influencing kids.

There's also 2 sides to every story
- Most of the parents of these kids are kicking up a stink as they have nothing but praise of Hoppa and how his time with their kids is changing them for the better.
Very hard to argue with that!!
- Ask the kids parents, Every parent knows when their kids are hanging around people who are no good - On the other side of the coin, They usually know when there's a positive influence around their kids.
All the rubbish that Hoppa has done aside, The NRL had no problem taking his money to sit for the coaching certificate - Waited till he got a gig before knocking him on the head.

How many former Drug addicts, Or criminals now spend time with the youth trying to tell how NOT to live - Why should this be any different?
- Until of course he's proven to have done something wrong?
If they had anything on him, He wouldn't / shouldn't have gotten a "working with vulnerable people" certificate - Which he has....
 
@Geo. said:
@southerntiger said:
Has he been convicted of anything Geo? No.

When did we become a Police state? Well I guess Mike Baird has brought in some pretty draconian laws.

My Opinion is not based on whether he has been convicted of anything…you asked why the police were involved I just provided the link...

My opinion is the blokes a Grub and shouldn't be anywhere near influencing kids...

I think we all share the same opinion mate. I appreciate the link. My post wasn't having a go at you, more at the current level of govt interference in our lives in recent times. Police have an important role to play in our civil society but it is not telling someone they cannot employ a person because of alleged actions for which they haven't been convicted.
 
@Nelson said:
@southerntiger said:
Has he been convicted of anything Geo? No.

When did we become a Police state? Well I guess Mike Baird has brought in some pretty draconian laws.

He was convicted of assault occasioning ABH in 2011 in association with the brawl that led to the death of Wilson Castillo outside the Trademark Hotel in Kings Cross in 2010\. One of the security guards went down for manslaughter over it in 2014.

He was also convicted of intimidation in 2013.

These weren't the actions the police were referring to. Half of the NRL would have committed an ABH as some point in time. As for intimidation … pfft.

The police didn't base their actions on such trivialities.
 
@southerntiger said:
@Geo. said:
@southerntiger said:
Has he been convicted of anything Geo? No.

When did we become a Police state? Well I guess Mike Baird has brought in some pretty draconian laws.

My Opinion is not based on whether he has been convicted of anything…you asked why the police were involved I just provided the link...

My opinion is the blokes a Grub and shouldn't be anywhere near influencing kids...

I think we all share the same opinion mate. I appreciate the link. My post wasn't having a go at you, more at the current level of govt interference in our lives in recent times. Police have an important role to play in our civil society but it is not telling someone they cannot employ a person because of alleged actions for which they haven't been convicted.

I thought you were just making a general comment that he hadn't been convicted of anything, hence the response. I'm sure they are basing their actions on more recent and probably more concerning intel. Again, they're not saying they can't employ him as they have no power to do that, they're saying it's a bad idea and showing them why they think it's a bad idea. Without knowing the intel it's hard to say whether they're justified one way or the other. As a general principle though I have no problem with pro-active policing. If you see a problem developing then do something about it rather than waiting for it to all blow up and then go in arresting everybody.

Until they start throwing powers around you're a long way off a police state…
 
@Nelson said:
@southerntiger said:
@Geo. said:
@southerntiger said:
Has he been convicted of anything Geo? No.

When did we become a Police state? Well I guess Mike Baird has brought in some pretty draconian laws.

My Opinion is not based on whether he has been convicted of anything…you asked why the police were involved I just provided the link...

My opinion is the blokes a Grub and shouldn't be anywhere near influencing kids...

I think we all share the same opinion mate. I appreciate the link. My post wasn't having a go at you, more at the current level of govt interference in our lives in recent times. Police have an important role to play in our civil society but it is not telling someone they cannot employ a person because of alleged actions for which they haven't been convicted.

I thought you were just making a general comment that he hadn't been convicted of anything, hence the response. I'm sure they are basing their actions on more recent and probably more concerning intel. Again, they're not saying they can't employ him as they have no power to do that, they're saying it's a bad idea and showing them why they think it's a bad idea. Without knowing the intel it's hard to say whether they're justified one way or the other. As a general principle though I have no problem with pro-active policing. If you see a problem developing then do something about it rather than waiting for it to all blow up and then go in arresting everybody.

Until they start throwing powers around you're a long way off a police state…

Sorry, no I wasn't making a general comment. I was aware of his problems with the law in the past.

I don't have a problem with "pro-active policing". However, telling an employer not to employ someone is not pro-active policing, its a vendetta. There is a reason why we have courts.

If the police followed up on the crimes actually being committed, instead of getting involved in this rubbish, we be far better off today.
 
I was also wondering how this became a matter of concern for the police? Surely they have bigger fish to fry than coming down on a junior league football coach. It's very much a vendetta - and who ever is pushing the barrow has an axe to grind!!
 
Our criminal law is based on the premise that everyone is entitled to know precisely what charges are being laid against them and that they have a fair chance to respond to those charges.No such detail has yet been provided by the police to support their (and the NRL's) call for a ban on Hopoate coaching the Manly SG Ball side. Hopoate looks to be on fairly strong legal ground if he decides to challenge the ban.
 
Oh leave him be.

The kids, parents and administration all like the guy, and for all intensive purposes he's doing a good job.

Is it any wonder the ex-incarcerated, have real trouble trying to re-assimilate back in society.
FFS.
 
Manly Sea Eagles want John Hopoate response from NRL over coaching, court battle could result

Posted 12 minutes ago

The Manly Sea Eagles have reportedly given the NRL two days to respond to the club's submission about appointing controversial John Hopoate as SG Ball coach - or they will take the matter to the New South Wales Supreme Court. The Sea Eagles wanted to appoint the former player to the under-18s role but the NRL opposed it on the grounds he was not a fit and proper person to hold down the position. Manly said it would prefer to have the matter settled out of court but would pursue legal action if it was not resolved.

Club chief executive Joe Kelly wrote that Manly would head to court to seek "injunctive and declarative relief" if his club's latest correspondence concerning Hopoate was not acted upon, Fairfax Media reported. "In the absence of your response, it is our intention to file into the NSW Supreme Court for both injunctive and declarative relief within 48 hours without any further notice," Kelly wrote.

Hopoate has a long record of indiscretions as a player and was also convicted and fined after pleading guilty to assault occasioning actual bodily harm over a Sydney bashing in 2010\. Hopoate had also been banned from The Star casino.

Detective inspector Wayne Walpole, a senior officer from the organised crime unit, expressed his concerns to the NRL that the 42-year-old former international was in a position of influence over young men.

Speaking at the NRL season launch, Grant stood firm against Hopoate continuing to coach Manly's under-18s SG Ball team.
 
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/bad-boy-john-hopoate-in-strife-again-over-alleged-junior-referee-abuse/story-fni0cx12-1226942178892
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I wonder how that all ended up?
 
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