Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die

Sydney Morning Herald
28th March 2020

NRL clubs are agitating for a major overhaul of the way rugby league in Australia is structured when the game emerges from the coronavirus crisis, using the English Premier League as a template for a new landscape in which they would have much more power.

The clubs will be briefed on Monday morning by the NRL following a meeting of the ARL Commission, with pay cuts for players and executives expected to be rubber-stamped as the code attempts to survive the COVID-19 lockdown in the absence of broadcast income from Nine Entertainment and Foxtel, whose next instalments are due on Wednesday.

While they are eager to see the NRL's financial modelling, there are club chiefs who believe the entire structure of the game's administration needs to be turned on its head, giving the clubs far greater power and resources as well as a closer relationship with broadcasters.

An increased role for the clubs in a revised structure has support from Nine, the publisher of this masthead, who as The Sydney Morning Herald reported on Friday has a desire to renegotiate its deal with the NRL.

The English Premier League is seen as an ideal model by clubs and a document that lays out its operating structure has been circulating for months among them.

While the Premier League, as arguably the most successful sporting competition on the planet outside the US, is light years away from the NRL in terms of size and scope, clubs believe it provides a world's best-practice guide for how the game in Australia should be run in a post-coronavirus landscape.

The document, obtained by the Herald, spells out how much greater weight clubs have in the game there than over affairs in the NRL here, with the Premier League "reporting to 20 member clubs", who are each equal shareholders, and 14 out of the 20 required to vote on a particular issue to affect change.

It describes the role of the Premier League management as "to manage and govern the league, monetise the rights globally for clubs, distribute the money equitably amongst clubs to reinvest in talent, stadium and local communities, provide responsible support to lower league clubs and wider football and community development."

According to the document that has been passed around by NRL clubs, 83 percent of all revenue that flows into the Premier League is passed on to its clubs.

The NRL's 2019 annual report says 43 percent of all revenue was distributed to the 16 clubs - a pool of $228.1 million from total revenue of $528.5m.

The NRL has wider responsibilities than simply the country's elite competition, pumping $48m into the states and $40m to development and employs about 400 staff.

However, there is a belief among some clubs that the NRL should be a significantly leaner operation.

According to the Premier League document they are using as a model, only a penny out of every pound that flows into the game there is spent on operating costs and the Premier League head office has only 140 staff.

While uncertainty has gripped the NRL and its clubs over the past fortnight, particularly since the competition was shut down on Monday, there was some good news on Friday when Telstra confirmed it would not pull back from its major sponsorship and from its role as the code's digital broadcast partner while there were no games.

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"Telstra is a very strong supporter of Australian sport and we remain committed to all of our partnerships across NRL, AFL, netball and FFA, and will continue with our support regardless of season interruptions," a Telstra spokesman said.
 
@cktiger said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137248) said:
@gallagher said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137235) said:
@cktiger said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137233) said:
@gallagher said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137087) said:
I agree with him. A 12 team national comp with the kiwis and a strong Sydney and Brisbane comp.

Why would you give preference to a Kiwi side in place of an Australian one?
They can have their own comp - maybe Melbourne can be in it with them.

Over say Cronulla? The warriors are more likely to survive IMO.

I’d boot the Warriors out before any Australian team. At present it’s the NRL - not the IRL.

I'm not talking about booting anyone, nor is Johns. Its stopping the bailout for clubs, letting then die . Look at Cronulla, they've been bailed out since the 80's by the NSWRL , ARL , Murdoch and the NRL and their hand will be out again very soon. I think they should be left to die of they can't be afford to run their club. Same if the warriors can't.
 
@Cairnstigers said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137254) said:
@gallagher said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137221) said:
@jadtiger said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137220) said:
@TillLindemann said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137194) said:
Yes because the best way to save a competition in crisis is to permanently lose 4 more sets of fans...

I couldnt agree more i have known about 10 people who have lost their clubs Norths/Newtown and not one of them follows the game at all now.Most supporters will not find another club to support the same as not all Balmain/Wests supporters followed us after the merger

The game lost Newtown fans but gained Brisbane, Newcastle, Townsville, Auckland and so on on fans. If you can't afford to go on then that's tough

So further expansion and more clubs is the answer then ?

NRL and clubs need to reduce costs
There is no doubt about that

Just like any other business in this world
Shutting down certain stores is the beginning of the end

I for one wouldn't follow another team
Those who follow and love rugby league would already support a team
Introducing a new team wouldn't increase the supporter base, it would strip supporters from other clubs.
Put it this way
Imaging introducing a second Brisbane team
Would they get a whole new crowd of supporters to rugby league or would most supporters come from existing Broncos supporters

Cut overheads

Reduce the amount of stadiums we play out of
Maybe one central stadium in Sydney ( in time of course) when current contracts expire

Cap player contracts

Reduce the team salary cap

Allow individual player sponcership which will also drive an individual player to strive to become a better player so his asking price for sponcership will also rise as he becomes that better or elite player

There are many ways to make NRL more sustainable
Reducing clubs is not one

So we drag everyone down to the poorest level ? You may aswell just shrink back to a Sydney comp.
 
@twentyforty said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137274) said:
I think it’s time to let it all die including the NRL. it’s time to start planning for the future with an inaugural board of the South Pacific Rugby League. Start planning now for a new and exciting 2021 competition . Why empty the bank account trying to keep the ship afloat when we should take advantage of this opportunity for change and build a bigger better ship?

Depends who is in the bigger and better ship, doesn't it?
 
@Russell said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137314) said:
@twentyforty said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137274) said:
I think it’s time to let it all die including the NRL. it’s time to start planning for the future with an inaugural board of the South Pacific Rugby League. Start planning now for a new and exciting 2021 competition . Why empty the bank account trying to keep the ship afloat when we should take advantage of this opportunity for change and build a bigger better ship?

Depends who is in the bigger and better ship, doesn't it?


Not really. Why can’t say Penrith go belly up next week and reform in 6 months to apply for entry into a new competition?
Kikau would probably need to join WT of course.
 
@twentyforty said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137382) said:
@Russell said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137314) said:
@twentyforty said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137274) said:
I think it’s time to let it all die including the NRL. it’s time to start planning for the future with an inaugural board of the South Pacific Rugby League. Start planning now for a new and exciting 2021 competition . Why empty the bank account trying to keep the ship afloat when we should take advantage of this opportunity for change and build a bigger better ship?

Depends who is in the bigger and better ship, doesn't it?


Not really. Why can’t say Penrith go belly up next week and reform in 6 months to apply for entry into a new competition?
Kikau would probably need to join WT of course.

Have a new competition and the Tigers may not be invited, or not meet the criteria.

Maybe you don't care but I want the tigers or nothing.
 
@Swordy said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137263) said:
@Russell said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137057) said:
Doubt he would be shooting his mouth off, if one of the 4 clubs to be given the flick was Newcastle.

I agree - 3 or 4 Years ago, you wouldn't have heard a peep from Johns about culling clubs. His was dead in the water.

Especially when Newcastle got the spoon 3 years in a row,.
 
@GNR4LIFE said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137045) said:
Funny how he doesn’t have the guts to name the clubs who he thinks need to die. I read somewhere last night, clubs most vulnerable are clubs who rely on handouts from the NRL. One of those clubs is the one where he’s currently employed as a halves coach. I agree, let them die Joey.

He’s a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon clone.
Takes himself seriously but nobody else should.
 
@momo_amp_medo said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137396) said:
@GNR4LIFE said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137045) said:
Funny how he doesn’t have the guts to name the clubs who he thinks need to die. I read somewhere last night, clubs most vulnerable are clubs who rely on handouts from the NRL. One of those clubs is the one where he’s currently employed as a halves coach. I agree, let them die Joey.

He’s a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon clone.
Takes himself seriously but nobody else should.

Well he is an attention seeker. Always loved the spotlight as a player. I remember when he came clean about doing drugs and had the sit down interview with Gus, he couldn’t hide his sly grin.
 
Roy Masters thinks the roosters should be kicked out. Makes sense!

https://twitter.com/theNRLeconomist/status/1243782546267287552?s=19
 
@joebob said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137417) said:
Roy Masters thinks the roosters should be kicked out. Makes sense!

https://twitter.com/theNRLeconomist/status/1243782546267287552?s=19

He's right, absolutely. The Roosters should be first to go, if anyone has to go.

I don't agree on the Bulldogs, though. They have a pretty big fan base.
 
@joebob said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137417) said:
Roy Masters thinks the roosters should be kicked out. Makes sense!

https://twitter.com/theNRLeconomist/status/1243782546267287552?s=19

Isn't it the 'NRL economist' who said that? The quotes accredited to him don't mention the chooks.
 
@gallagher said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137424) said:
@joebob said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137417) said:
Roy Masters thinks the roosters should be kicked out. Makes sense!

https://twitter.com/theNRLeconomist/status/1243782546267287552?s=19

Isn't it the 'NRL economist' who said that? The quotes accredited to him don't mention the chooks.

Ha, yep you are right. My bad. Reading it back again, he just says that the tigers, Penrith and parra are a must. Then he is pushed to look at the stats put together by this guy, and comment on it. Basically just says the names of the teams on the bottom of the rankings but doesn't give an opinion about them being the ones to be kicked out.
 
@joebob said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137417) said:
Roy Masters thinks the roosters should be kicked out. Makes sense!

https://twitter.com/theNRLeconomist/status/1243782546267287552?s=19

100% they are a stain on the game.
 
@Russell said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137389) said:
@twentyforty said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137382) said:
@Russell said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137314) said:
@twentyforty said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137274) said:
I think it’s time to let it all die including the NRL. it’s time to start planning for the future with an inaugural board of the South Pacific Rugby League. Start planning now for a new and exciting 2021 competition . Why empty the bank account trying to keep the ship afloat when we should take advantage of this opportunity for change and build a bigger better ship?

Depends who is in the bigger and better ship, doesn't it?


Not really. Why can’t say Penrith go belly up next week and reform in 6 months to apply for entry into a new competition?
Kikau would probably need to join WT of course.

Have a new competition and the Tigers may not be invited, or not meet the criteria.

Maybe you don't care but I want the tigers or nothing.

didn't this happen in the 90s???
 
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137689) said:
@joebob said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137417) said:
Roy Masters thinks the roosters should be kicked out. Makes sense!

https://twitter.com/theNRLeconomist/status/1243782546267287552?s=19

100% they are a stain on the game.

and MANLY...
 
@Geo said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137696) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137689) said:
@joebob said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137417) said:
Roy Masters thinks the roosters should be kicked out. Makes sense!

https://twitter.com/theNRLeconomist/status/1243782546267287552?s=19

100% they are a stain on the game.

and MANLY...

and SOUFFS...
 
@bathursttiger1 said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137393) said:
@Swordy said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137263) said:
@Russell said in [Johns calls for NRL to let weakest clubs die](/post/1137057) said:
Doubt he would be shooting his mouth off, if one of the 4 clubs to be given the flick was Newcastle.

I agree - 3 or 4 Years ago, you wouldn't have heard a peep from Johns about culling clubs. His was dead in the water.

Especially when Newcastle got the spoon 3 years in a row,.

Had to laugh at some comments coming out of Newcastle when the comp got shut down, Adam O'Brien saying something like "we are disappointed the comp has been postponed, we were building something special at the start of this season". Haha, 2 wins against clubs that will be amongst the cellar-dwellers if this season starts up again and he's talking like they had belted competition powerhouses.
Couple of injuries and the Knights will be back down where they are familiar again.
Joey is a melonhead, anyone who actually refers to themselves as "the eighth" has serious problems and deserves to be sniggered at.
 

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