Josh Addo Carr Contract Discussion

[twentyforty]

He is a competent 1/2 nothing more nothing less !

That's all you need, ask Chad Townsend.

Cooper Cronk just won 2 premierships and, by any statistic that is available to apply to a halfback, Brooks almost always covers Cronk, sometimes extremely convincingly. In fact Brooks in 2 years was only beaten by Cronk in kick metres and line engaged 2018.

Try assists 2019 (place), 2018
Brooks 16 (6), 10 (23)
Cronk 10 (27), 9 (32)

Line break assists 2019, 2018
Brooks 10 (22), 15 (5)
Cronk 8 (34), not in Top 50

Line engaged 2019, 2018
Brooks 197 (1), 82 (14)
Cronk 111 (23), 95 (9)

Kick metres
Brooks 7338 (5), 5446 (9)
Cronk 7094 (7), 8989 (2)

You don't need to be a fanboy to see that Brooks has the basic capacity. So what is the difference, why does Cronk win premierships and Brooks does not? It cannot simply be "playing well in clutch moments" because Brooks hasn't even had a single finals appearance to test himself by.

The difference is the rosters they have around them, very clearly. Brooks might throw hospitals to Lawrence, but I'd much rather be throwing hospitals to Boyd Corder or Angus Crichton.

Those stats really don't show what a fullback should be doing though. Doesn't state anything about putting a sensible kick into the corner on the last rather than putting up a bomb? Doesn't say anything about 7 tackles sets conceded through kicks. Doesn't say anything about organising a side.

Agree Balmain boy. A comparison based on statistics alone fails to recognise experience, organisational skills and game management.
Let’s not forget Cronk played that gf with a broken arm, wasn’t being used to increase his stats. imo.

 

[Scare]

You would think the roosters could get xerri on a better deal to link up with his best mate Flanagan then what they would for josh. Then again it’s the roosters they will probably get both

 

[cktiger]

He is a competent 1/2 nothing more nothing less !

That's all you need, ask Chad Townsend.

Cooper Cronk just won 2 premierships and, by any statistic that is available to apply to a halfback, Brooks almost always covers Cronk, sometimes extremely convincingly. In fact Brooks in 2 years was only beaten by Cronk in kick metres and line engaged 2018.

Try assists 2019 (place), 2018
Brooks 16 (6), 10 (23)
Cronk 10 (27), 9 (32)

Line break assists 2019, 2018
Brooks 10 (22), 15 (5)
Cronk 8 (34), not in Top 50

Line engaged 2019, 2018
Brooks 197 (1), 82 (14)
Cronk 111 (23), 95 (9)

Kick metres
Brooks 7338 (5), 5446 (9)
Cronk 7094 (7), 8989 (2)

You don't need to be a fanboy to see that Brooks has the basic capacity. So what is the difference, why does Cronk win premierships and Brooks does not? It cannot simply be "playing well in clutch moments" because Brooks hasn't even had a single finals appearance to test himself by.

**The difference is the rosters they have around them**, very clearly. Brooks might throw hospitals to Lawrence, but I'd much rather be throwing hospitals to Boyd Corder or Angus Crichton.

The biggest differences can't be quantified by statistics - having a 'football brain', leadership qualities, calmness under pressure and, of course, experience.

 

[851]

He is a competent 1/2 nothing more nothing less !

That's all you need, ask Chad Townsend.

Cooper Cronk just won 2 premierships and, by any statistic that is available to apply to a halfback, Brooks almost always covers Cronk, sometimes extremely convincingly. In fact Brooks in 2 years was only beaten by Cronk in kick metres and line engaged 2018.

Try assists 2019 (place), 2018
Brooks 16 (6), 10 (23)
Cronk 10 (27), 9 (32)

Line break assists 2019, 2018
Brooks 10 (22), 15 (5)
Cronk 8 (34), not in Top 50

Line engaged 2019, 2018
Brooks 197 (1), 82 (14)
Cronk 111 (23), 95 (9)

Kick metres
Brooks 7338 (5), 5446 (9)
Cronk 7094 (7), 8989 (2)

You don't need to be a fanboy to see that Brooks has the basic capacity. So what is the difference, why does Cronk win premierships and Brooks does not? It cannot simply be "playing well in clutch moments" because Brooks hasn't even had a single finals appearance to test himself by.

**The difference is the rosters they have around them**, very clearly. Brooks might throw hospitals to Lawrence, but I'd much rather be throwing hospitals to Boyd Corder or Angus Crichton.

The biggest differences can't be quantified by statistics - having a 'football brain', leadership qualities, calmness under pressure and, of course, experience.

That is 100% bang on, stats don’t tell the whole story, so a half with great stats, maybe not a leader or great under pressure

 

[twentyforty]

He is a competent 1/2 nothing more nothing less !

That's all you need, ask Chad Townsend.

Cooper Cronk just won 2 premierships and, by any statistic that is available to apply to a halfback, Brooks almost always covers Cronk, sometimes extremely convincingly. In fact Brooks in 2 years was only beaten by Cronk in kick metres and line engaged 2018.

Try assists 2019 (place), 2018
Brooks 16 (6), 10 (23)
Cronk 10 (27), 9 (32)

Line break assists 2019, 2018
Brooks 10 (22), 15 (5)
Cronk 8 (34), not in Top 50

Line engaged 2019, 2018
Brooks 197 (1), 82 (14)
Cronk 111 (23), 95 (9)

Kick metres
Brooks 7338 (5), 5446 (9)
Cronk 7094 (7), 8989 (2)

You don't need to be a fanboy to see that Brooks has the basic capacity. So what is the difference, why does Cronk win premierships and Brooks does not? It cannot simply be "playing well in clutch moments" because Brooks hasn't even had a single finals appearance to test himself by.

**The difference is the rosters they have around them**, very clearly. Brooks might throw hospitals to Lawrence, but I'd much rather be throwing hospitals to Boyd Corder or Angus Crichton.

The biggest differences can't be quantified by statistics - having a 'football brain', leadership qualities, calmness under pressure and, of course, experience.

CK you’ve just explained why economists no longer rule our country. Thank you!

 

[twentyforty]

Just the same our man Brooksy would, if given the chooks pack and backs win 2 gfs. IMO

 

[Tigers_Tale]

@jirskyr
Teddy and Brooks are worlds apart.

JAC is the best winger in the comp and Brooks is probably bottom five halfbacks.

If Brooks had potential and we had no idea how he might play then for sure a gamble for a class halfback is worth it, but with our Brooks history and seeing how amazing JAC is, this theoretical swap is a no brainer.

I just don’t understand why we all don’t realize that we have to do something drastically different to win.
The pack is arguably weaker than last year and people are getting excited that Brooks will play better behind this pack. What the??
Why fall into the same trap as the last five years
because Brooks will invariably disappoint again and everyone will blame our pack again.

Just let’s all get a head start and admit our pack is weak right now and Brooks has a pass for another crappy season.

Your wasting your time Siro the Brooks fan boys are out to play . Lukes defence is a major improvement , but like you I just do not see him progressing further in his ability on the park . It’s always he has not got a good pack around him, the relentless comedy of the hospital passes to Rowdy bares all , smart 1/2 s wake up and rectify by either cutting him out or going to the line himself.
He is a competent 1/2 nothing more nothing less !

Well I would like to know the nine better halfbacks in this competition, and who we have that is better, that going to take. He was Dally M in 2018, I think he actually played better last year, he is rated by Brad Fittler, as he is in the emerging Blues side.

Lets just hope we can get Addo Carr, then we will have some one faster than Brooks in our side, who can actually back him up.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

Just the same our man Brooksy would, if given the chooks pack and backs win 2 gfs. IMO

You don’t really know that, Mitchell Pearce couldn’t do it and he’s played Origin.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Brooks will enjoy playing behind a more dominant pack this year. If he had more strike outside his attacking game would be more effective. Our club has known about this issue for a long time and we have the dollars to buy top line talent to address this problem.

 

[twentyforty]

Just the same our man Brooksy would, if given the chooks pack and backs win 2 gfs. IMO


You don’t really know that, Mitchell Pearce couldn’t do it and he’s played Origin.

Spud, why do you suppose no other half in the N RL runs more than Brooksy? It’s partly because he was heavily criticised for not doing so, but it’s also born of necessity.
He is crying out for some hole runners with acceleration. The wide running forwards have worked ok but they mostly don’t stand up opposition defence by their mere presence, which creates that extra split second for the ball carrier to either spot a hole or go wide. Think about the winning chooks trie in the gf e.g.

 

[bptiger]

I think a lot of people on this forum are going of half cocked about us having a dominant forward pack, I think we need to see how the go after 6-8 weeks before we start crowing.

 

[trentrunciman]

I think a lot of people on this forum are going of half cocked about us having a dominant forward pack, I think we need to see how the go after 6-8 weeks before we start crowing.

i suppose they'll go better than last year consdiering a lot of them are fairly young

 

[Hangonaminute]

Get JAC here and give him a shot at making the 1 his.

 

[avocadoontoast]

I think a lot of people on this forum are going of half cocked about us having a dominant forward pack, I think we need to see how the go after 6-8 weeks before we start crowing.

Our forwards are probably where we're strongest. We're not the strongest pack in the comp but we're a long way from the worst.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I think a lot of people on this forum are going of half cocked about us having a dominant forward pack, I think we need to see how the go after 6-8 weeks before we start crowing.

Our forwards are probably where we're strongest. We're not the strongest pack in the comp but we're a long way from the worst.

It is pretty obvious and that is why we have a busy 1 - 5 concerns thread and nothing particular for our pack.

 

[Tiger5150]

Just the same our man Brooksy would, if given the chooks pack and backs win 2 gfs. IMO


You don’t really know that, Mitchell Pearce couldn’t do it and he’s played Origin.


Spud, why do you suppose no other half in the N RL runs more than Brooksy? It’s partly because he was heavily criticised for not doing so, but it’s also born of necessity.
He is crying out for some hole runners with acceleration. The wide running forwards have worked ok but they mostly don’t stand up opposition defence by their mere presence, which creates that extra split second for the ball carrier to either spot a hole or go wide. Think about the winning chooks trie in the gf e.g.

Im looking forward to seeing how Leilua goes for paricularly this reason. Hoping to see him hitting the ball at speed and testing flat footed defences.

Matterson was clearly our best forward last year but I feel he had/has shortcomings. As a secondrower he is kind of not one thing or another. Not your hardworking workhorse and not an impact forward. Kind of in the middle Luciano will be clearly in the impact category.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Im looking forward to seeing how Leilua goes for paricularly this reason. Hoping to see him hitting the ball at speed and testing flat footed defences.
Matterson was clearly our best forward last year but I feel he had/has shortcomings. As a secondrower he is kind of not one thing or another. Not your hardworking workhorse and not an impact forward. Kind of in the middle Luciano will be clearly in the impact category.

Don't you think Leilua will be on an edge? I think we'd be strongest with Garner on one side, Leilua on the other. They're both a handful.

 

[Tiger5150]

Im looking forward to seeing how Leilua goes for paricularly this reason. Hoping to see him hitting the ball at speed and testing flat footed defences.
Matterson was clearly our best forward last year but I feel he had/has shortcomings. As a secondrower he is kind of not one thing or another. Not your hardworking workhorse and not an impact forward. Kind of in the middle Luciano will be clearly in the impact category.

Don't you think Leilua will be on an edge? I think we'd be strongest with Garner on one side, Leilua on the other. They're both a handful.

Definitely. I see him close to the line running that same Rowdy/Garner line but on the right. Its good to have a forward that will have defences heads up.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Do we have JAC in the bag yet?

 

[avocadoontoast]

Do we have JAC in the bag yet?

some Souths fans think he's going there.