Josh Aloiai #190

[tiga4eva]

Spoke to Josh today and showed him what I posted.

Mate - I'd just delete those posts. I like Aloiai and I don't think this publicity is good for him. It's personal information on a public forum. Top player and I hope he stays. If he goes good luck to him.

He’s well aware the posts on here. Club’s meeting with him and management this week and I hope they can all resolve it.

 

[earl]

For mine, we should be paying overs for Burton on a long term deal? It’s not without risk, but it’s a better strategy than not having one. Or being a pension scheme.
I’m confident Burton can win you NRL games and wins will help solve that key issue.

How much is overs ? I mean 500k is a big chunk out of your salary cap. We've got players delivering close to nothing on more than that.

If he becomes an elite five eight in the NRL then 500 is cheap, roll the dice.


I completely agree. The big question is will be become an elite 6 ? Is it better to bet on AD ?

I don't have a problem with throwing around that sort of money but you can't do it a lot. You only get so many rolls of the dice.

It may backfire, but would we be any worse off than where we are now? Chasing Jimmy the jet and front rowers leaking to forums. FGS!

The problem is I reckon we only have 1 shot at the moment. We are holding that money out for someone like Latrell or JAC. Maybe we could use a chunk of change on someone like Burton. To be fair the club purchase AD last year who is also expensive for the stage of career that he is at. AD though to me is a much better deal than Reynolds, Mbye and Packer.

 

[the_third]

Josh needs to realise one good season doesn’t make him a world class forward who should be getting huge money. A 10% upgrade from one good season seems pretty reasonable to me

Clearly Madge and hartigan aren’t going to pay players more than they’re worth and won’t even bother talking about it with the players, it’s a take it or leave it type deal.

His contract is modest, 10% is measly. And after November 1 he realised how much other clubs valued him

If other clubs wants to pay overs for him clearly tigers won’t stand in his way. They’ve been pretty set on not giving guys more then they’re worth

If Josh was that upset about it he should talk to the club about it I’m sure they didn’t mean to upset him, Madge is obviously a big fan of his but he’s had a lot of injury issues and only 1 good season can’t expect too much

Cool, so who’s replacing him and his 140m a game and 28 tackles?

Tolman

I’m not sure he’s old enough.

Has he done an acl yet?

 

[earl]

Spoke to Josh today and showed him what I posted.

Mate - I'd just delete those posts. I like Aloiai and I don't think this publicity is good for him. It's personal information on a public forum. Top player and I hope he stays. If he goes good luck to him.

He’s well aware the posts on here. Club’s meeting with him and management this week and I hope they can all resolve it.

I hope they resolve it. Tell him he is a legend and he should stay. Awesome player and he comes across as a good guy.

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

Whilst Josh is highly regarded by a number of supporters a couple of Questions need to be asked
Is he a super star player? NO
Is he an injury prone player ? YES
Is 10% increase fair offer considering our Hamstrung SC situation ? YES
Is he irreplaceable as a player? NO

Will our recruiting team obtain a suitable replacement? DOUBTFUL

There are any number of players out there with the same ability as Josh.

Your statement is correct if you talk about the whole NRL, however, how many current WT players have the same ability as Aloiai?
Perhaps Tamou, Musgrave, and ????
While we need at least 5-6 aggressive props! We don't have enough aggressive props anyway, and Aloiai is expandable?:thinking_face:

 

[hank37w]

Do u get best and fairest points for making a match 😂😂

Yes, but only half the points if you don't stay for the whole game.

 

[JD Tiger]

Spoke to Josh today and showed him what I posted.

Mate - I'd just delete those posts. I like Aloiai and I don't think this publicity is good for him. It's personal information on a public forum. Top player and I hope he stays. If he goes good luck to him.

He’s well aware the posts on here. Club’s meeting with him and management this week and I hope they can all resolve it.

I hope they resolve it. Tell him he is a legend and he should stay. Awesome player and he comes across as a good guy.

A lot of people (me included) thought he could be captain this year. With Tamou coming next year, I'm hoping Aloiai and Tamou can co-captain. So yes please, encourage him to stay. Club needs him. Hope he signs.

 

[tiga4eva]

Spoke to Josh today and showed him what I posted.

Mate - I'd just delete those posts. I like Aloiai and I don't think this publicity is good for him. It's personal information on a public forum. Top player and I hope he stays. If he goes good luck to him.

He’s well aware the posts on here. Club’s meeting with him and management this week and I hope they can all resolve it.

I hope they resolve it. Tell him he is a legend and he should stay. Awesome player and he comes across as a good guy.

I’ll let him know. The last thing I want to do is make anyone on the forum uncomfortable. I’ll delete my original post.

 

[JD Tiger]

@Geo @Kul

This may be the inappropriate place for it, but I have a question, and it sort of relates to Mr Josh Aloiai.

I understand why we have to be careful and not post personal information on a public forum. But is there a way that we can, on a not-so-public forum?

Can there be an extension of this forum, (just a thread perhaps) where people can post all that juicy good stuff, but it's not open to the public? Have it so that only vetted members can view that thread (keep the journos out). I'm not sure how we could vet people, some people here have personally met others here, but I suspect that's only about maybe a dozen.

It might be a pipe dream, it may not be feasible, but worth asking.

 

[Guest]

I watch every game Mrr. Russell
Let's look at Mr. McIntyre's last 4 games (when he should've been at his best)

Round 16 v Penrith - 53 mins, 7 runs only 37 metres. 39 tackles but he missed 6! WORST IN TEAM.
Round 17 v Manly - 33 mins. 7 runs 65 metres. Only 15 tackles buT 2 INNEFECTIVE.
Round 18 v Rabbits- 38 min. 8 runs 64 metres. 23 tackles but 2 MISSED. WORST OF THE FORWARDS.
Round 19 v Melbourne- 14 mins. 0 runs! 12 tackles 1 MISSED.

Bloke was defensively weak passenger and a plodding passenger in attack. Just as he was every game he played for the Magpies. He's not up to first grade.

Stick to your stats, I'll stick to watching the game.

I'll see him hurt players, I'll see him hit the ball loose, God knows what you will see.

You'll see him sitting in the grandstand watching blokes that can play do the things he's incapable of.

 

[mike]

I watch every game Mrr. Russell
Let's look at Mr. McIntyre's last 4 games (when he should've been at his best)

Round 16 v Penrith - 53 mins, 7 runs only 37 metres. 39 tackles but he missed 6! WORST IN TEAM.
Round 17 v Manly - 33 mins. 7 runs 65 metres. Only 15 tackles buT 2 INNEFECTIVE.
Round 18 v Rabbits- 38 min. 8 runs 64 metres. 23 tackles but 2 MISSED. WORST OF THE FORWARDS.
Round 19 v Melbourne- 14 mins. 0 runs! 12 tackles 1 MISSED.

Bloke was defensively weak passenger and a plodding passenger in attack. Just as he was every game he played for the Magpies. He's not up to first grade.

Stick to your stats, I'll stick to watching the game.

I'll see him hurt players, I'll see him hit the ball loose, God knows what you will see.

You'll see him sitting in the grandstand watching blokes that can play do the things he's incapable of.

Universal statistics is for lackeys, context is for kings

 

[BAGNF05]

For mine, we should be paying overs for Burton on a long term deal? It’s not without risk, but it’s a better strategy than not having one. Or being a pension scheme.
I’m confident Burton can win you NRL games and wins will help solve that key issue.

How much is overs ? I mean 500k is a big chunk out of your salary cap. We've got players delivering close to nothing on more than that.

If he becomes an elite five eight in the NRL then 500 is cheap, roll the dice.


I completely agree. The big question is will be become an elite 6 ? Is it better to bet on AD ?

I don't have a problem with throwing around that sort of money but you can't do it a lot. You only get so many rolls of the dice.

It may backfire, but would we be any worse off than where we are now? Chasing Jimmy the jet and front rowers leaking to forums. FGS!

The problem is I reckon we only have 1 shot at the moment. We are holding that money out for someone like Latrell or JAC. Maybe we could use a chunk of change on someone like Burton. To be fair the club purchase AD last year who is also expensive for the stage of career that he is at. AD though to me is a much better deal than Reynolds, Mbye and Packer.

I think AD earned his pay packet last year. Along with Aloiai, Nofa and Luciano. Probably a few others on minimal dollars including McIntyre.

We must have a mottsa to spend for 2022 and this will make or break the club.

Wish I had confidence in the club to get it right but sadly they don’t have the runs on the board.

 

[Viking Warrior]

I like Josh and hope the club can sort this, we don't have many players that can bend the line like he does. I'd be offering him 350k.

 

[Bob]

@Geo @Kul

This may be the inappropriate place for it, but I have a question, and it sort of relates to Mr Josh Aloiai.

I understand why we have to be careful and not post personal information on a public forum. But is there a way that we can, on a not-so-public forum?

Can there be an extension of this forum, (just a thread perhaps) where people can post all that juicy good stuff, but it's not open to the public? Have it so that only vetted members can view that thread (keep the journos out). I'm not sure how we could vet people, some people here have personally met others here, but I suspect that's only about maybe a dozen.

It might be a pipe dream, it may not be feasible, but worth asking.

I assume that’s what the messaging is for. Previously I’ve asked what certain rumours were, when they weren’t being said and people will tell you. It wouldn’t surprise me if there were group messages going around to an inner circle that had been vetted although I’m certainly not part of one.

 

[tiger05premier]

Spoke to Josh today and showed him what I posted. He said it was fine and he’s not embarrassed by it because it’s all true. He also said if the Club feel they’ve acted appropriately then they shouldn’t feel uncomfortable about it either. For those honestly doubting the club implementing these deadlines etc, feel free to meet me at a home game next year and I’ll show you the correspondence between Josh’s management and the club. I’ve been a member of this forum for over 10 years, I’m not one to make things up.

Cheers for the info

Has he made his mind up yet?

Going to Manly?

 

[JD Tiger]

@Geo @Kul

This may be the inappropriate place for it, but I have a question, and it sort of relates to Mr Josh Aloiai.

I understand why we have to be careful and not post personal information on a public forum. But is there a way that we can, on a not-so-public forum?

Can there be an extension of this forum, (just a thread perhaps) where people can post all that juicy good stuff, but it's not open to the public? Have it so that only vetted members can view that thread (keep the journos out). I'm not sure how we could vet people, some people here have personally met others here, but I suspect that's only about maybe a dozen.

It might be a pipe dream, it may not be feasible, but worth asking.

I assume that’s what the messaging is for. Previously I’ve asked what certain rumours were, when they weren’t being said and people will tell you. It wouldn’t surprise me if there were group messages going around to an inner circle that had been vetted although I’m certainly not part of one.

Ah yes good point. I have done that, asked people through messages for intel, but clear forgot about it.

To people who have info, please be wary if at all possible to not pass it onto troll journos. WT have enough trouble of our own.

 

[tiger05premier]

@Geo @Kul

This may be the inappropriate place for it, but I have a question, and it sort of relates to Mr Josh Aloiai.

I understand why we have to be careful and not post personal information on a public forum. But is there a way that we can, on a not-so-public forum?

Can there be an extension of this forum, (just a thread perhaps) where people can post all that juicy good stuff, but it's not open to the public? Have it so that only vetted members can view that thread (keep the journos out). I'm not sure how we could vet people, some people here have personally met others here, but I suspect that's only about maybe a dozen.

It might be a pipe dream, it may not be feasible, but worth asking.

Great idea

But can it work??

Would be awesome

 

[JD Tiger]

There’s no doubt, WE’RE A SOFT TARGET. !
The MEDIA says we have to release Aloia so that’s what we’ll do.
We’ll probably send him over to Brookvale in a stretch limo and foot the bill, just to appease the pigs at News Corp.
I respect the Storm more for their hard edge demands for a quality replacement in the JAC negotiation. The very player they requested (and we protected) is now pee-ing us up against the walls of The Daily Telegraph building.

We are going to be compensated - have you forgotten that already. Just not with a player.

We aren't getting compensated at this point. Compensation would require Manly giving us something in return for releasing Aloiai. The proposed deal now is that we just get Aloiai off our books and therefore we sign someone else.

We did the same thing with Matterson and it allowed us to sign AD and LL.

My opinion is that we should have kept Matterson and we should keep Aloiai. These guys were our best forwards and close to best players in their last season with us. It just seems stupid to release quality players because they spit the dummy.

We should be compensated but I think the writing is on the wall in that we sign JO and release JA.

Quoting what the POM said - obviously you have another source.

I'm quoting the POM as well. His last post stated:-

Aloiai for $$$ (essentially Joe)
Garner for Sironen (pending terms)

I could be wrong but that to me is exactly as I stated which is no benefit to us at all. We just lose his contract from our books. I don't think Manly can give us extra dollars for our salary cap. They could pay a player who is playing for us this season but I can't see that happening.

If you have another source that says something different or my understanding is incorrect let us know.

Depends what "essentially Joe" means, if they are paying compensation that covers his wage next year then it is not getting nothing.

How could compensation paid through cash pay for Joe O when his salary comes out of the salary cap?

Because cash is cash and if it improve our bottom line its still compensation worth having. His pay comes out of Wests Tigers funds, its not like the Salary Cap is someone else's money, the cap just limits how much of our money we are allowed to spend on players.

Whatever 'cash' we get, it's got nothing to do with our signing of Joe O. We need salary cap space and a position in the squad to sign him, we already have the position in the squad, and considering we were chasing JAC and surely had a glimmer of hope for Grant, we had the salary cap space for Joe O.

From what I've read, we could retain Josh Aloiai and sign Joe O, it doesn't seem like one or the other.

Wo cares if its one of the other, get some cash and let Aloiai go.

It just irks me that these players throw their little tantrums like three year olds and get away with it.

I know it's not just us, Storm were in danger of losing JAC, Saab wanted out of Dragons, Manly lost their prop, Sharks lost Morris to Roosters, Souths lost that young kid to Roosters, but also Roosters even lost Mitchell.

You've expressed a few times that it is the NRL that need to do something, and I think that you are right. I was hoping in our case WT could be tough, sit the bludger in Reserves for a while, until the media kicks up so much of a stink that then the NRL is pressured in doing something then.

Problem is we already have Reynolds and Packer as reserve graders, just too much money sitting in reserves. Let him go and give the money to someone who wants to be here and then set about fixing the rules.

$350k in Reserves is nothing. We had that in a fine the last 2 years. With over $1.5m in there already with Packer and Reynolds, $350k is chicken feed.

I see that article above by Carayannis, poor if true. Tigers played for chumps. And our chairperson, saying Aloiai would not be released, is made to look like a fool.

If we received any sort of financial advantage by letting him go, it needs to be made public, because otherwise now we look stupid.

 

[Swordy]

No more releasing talk Please Mr Wests Tigers

Did the Eels release Stefano ??

or the Panthers releasing Laurie??

If Josh A wants to go, he is free to do so after season 2021

Yeah I’m a bit peeved we’re just gonna roll over yet again and let Aloiai walk if we sign Joe O. His acquisition has nothing to do with Aloiai. He should not be released unless Manly cough up someone else or some form of compensation, though honestly I’d rather Aloiai be made to stay and see out his contract. We need to start getting tougher with the tantrum throwing wantaways. Other teams manage to do it and so should we. It’s about respect.


Maybe the delay in everything is all to do with the "compensation."

I’d like to think that would be the case, but it looks like our CEO has virtually stated that Ofahengaue’s signing will allow the club to release Aloiai to Manly - a very soft stance now from the man who less than a week ago touted that he’d have Aloiai mowing the lawns at Concord rather than release him a year early.

It was the Chairman who talked about mowing lawns, not the CEO.

Pretty sure POM said something like "we won't get a player swap but we are going to get compensated in another way by Manly" - I'm taking this as monetary compensation - how much, who knows?


Pom also said JAC and Macintyre were done deals.

Not trying to disrespect the bloke, but things do swivel around at any point ?‍♂️

They were done as far as deals. One had a HOA awaiting a release which did not happen and McIntyre had a deal but then the incompetent management team failed to get the thing signed off

Incompetent management team? As pauline would say, Please explain? With facts.

Pom indicated management had the the contract and let it sit there unsigned for 2 weeks (or something to that effect).

He said it was managements fault.

Not sure that not re-signing someone you dont particularly want qualifies as mismanagement. It qualifies as "you can stay if we get you cheap, but go try your luck"

 

[avocadoontoast]

No more releasing talk Please Mr Wests Tigers

Did the Eels release Stefano ??

or the Panthers releasing Laurie??

If Josh A wants to go, he is free to do so after season 2021

Yeah I’m a bit peeved we’re just gonna roll over yet again and let Aloiai walk if we sign Joe O. His acquisition has nothing to do with Aloiai. He should not be released unless Manly cough up someone else or some form of compensation, though honestly I’d rather Aloiai be made to stay and see out his contract. We need to start getting tougher with the tantrum throwing wantaways. Other teams manage to do it and so should we. It’s about respect.


Maybe the delay in everything is all to do with the "compensation."

I’d like to think that would be the case, but it looks like our CEO has virtually stated that Ofahengaue’s signing will allow the club to release Aloiai to Manly - a very soft stance now from the man who less than a week ago touted that he’d have Aloiai mowing the lawns at Concord rather than release him a year early.

It was the Chairman who talked about mowing lawns, not the CEO.

Pretty sure POM said something like "we won't get a player swap but we are going to get compensated in another way by Manly" - I'm taking this as monetary compensation - how much, who knows?


Pom also said JAC and Macintyre were done deals.

Not trying to disrespect the bloke, but things do swivel around at any point ?‍♂️

They were done as far as deals. One had a HOA awaiting a release which did not happen and McIntyre had a deal but then the incompetent management team failed to get the thing signed off

Incompetent management team? As pauline would say, Please explain? With facts.

Pom indicated management had the the contract and let it sit there unsigned for 2 weeks (or something to that effect).

He said it was managements fault.

Not sure that not re-signing someone you dont particularly want qualifies as mismanagement. It qualifies as "you can stay if we get you cheap, but go try your luck"

If we made an offer and he accepted, then we failed to sign the paperwork, that’s mismanagement.