It was interesting to listen to JT praising Liddle for a great game on debut…also he said Liddle wouldn't be used again this year because of salary cap issues...that is a shame..I'm wondering how much headway have we made as far as reducing our cap pressure....this is the obvious reason for some of the previous selections...any thoughts guys and girls...
JTs Presser..after Dogs game..
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Masterton
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@TrueTiger said:
In Liddle's case, it's 2nd tier salary cap, so not indicative of our general situation, which I imagine largely depends on Farah.
innsaneink
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Why can't he play again once he's already been used?
I thought it wouldn't matter now…. Bringing new players up isn't that what counts?
You can't use a tea bag an put it back in the packet???
I thought it wouldn't matter now…. Bringing new players up isn't that what counts?
You can't use a tea bag an put it back in the packet???
Harvey
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Apparently the NRL had to grant a cap exemption because Farah, Ballin and Cherrington (from top 25) were unavailable. If anyone of them are available they will need to play before Liddle
happy_tiger
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We will probably get a second tier salary cap fine as it is , won't be huge , but for a team struggling to balance the books it all adds up
Club_Sandwich
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So annoying. We need to employ the accountants from the Broncos, Roosters and Storm. They seem to get away with murder. So dodgy.
Club_Sandwich
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On a positive note, great job Jacob on a fantastic debut. Look forward to seeing you in the near future carving it up out there
PrattenParkMagpie
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@innsaneink said:
Player payments outside the top 25 come from either their respective second tier or NYC caps, every time they play NRL they earn NRL minimum so each time they play NRL the additional payments come from the second tier cap.
Many here complain about underperforming players not being dropped but gone are the days when you could just drop and promote players from reserves or third grade, it’s a balancing act and any time you use a player outside the top 25 it affects your lower grade caps.
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Liddle in the middle of second-tier snag
Sun 10 Jul, 2016, 7:30am
By Martin Gabor, National Correspondent , NRL.com
Wests Tigers fans got a glimpse into the future with 19-year-old hooker Jacob Liddle making his NRL debut off the bench in the 32-22 loss to the Bulldogs on Saturday night.
Liddle is contracted until the end of the 2018 season and is seen by many as the long-term successor for Robbie Farah.
The Wyong Roos junior said he grew up with two passions in life; rugby league and surfing, however the latter has taken a back seat in recent times with surf conditions near his home in St Mary's virtually non-existent.
Having played the game since the under-6s, Liddle linked up with the Tigers and made an immediate impact in the Holden Cup, winning the Players' Player award for the 2015 season.
He has since juggled his duties in the NYC with a promotion to the Intrust Super Premiership where he has tested himself against bigger bodies.
Liddle was in line to play for the NSW Blues under-20s Origin side next week, and said he was in "shock" when Wests Tigers coach Jason Taylor told him he would be making his debut against the Bulldogs instead.
"It's what every kid dreams of… It's been my dream ever since I was 10 years old," the rookie said.
"I rang all the family and they couldn't believe it. They were stoked.
"I didn't know what to expect coming into it. It would have been good to come away with a win on debut, but you can't ask for much more than that.
"I just tried to hold my own in the middle and give good service."
Liddle did more than just "hold his own" against the Bulldogs with 19 tackles, a line break and a try that he will never forget.
The 19-year-old did what all good hookers do by backing up on the inside close to the line, and he was rewarded when Elijah Taylor popped an offload in the 44th minute for him to latch onto and score.
"It still feels like a dream," he said when asked about the try.
"I got a lucky pass on the inside and it opened up and I got a little sneaky one. It was good."
However, Liddle is unlikely to play in the NRL again this year due to second tier pressures on the Tigers' salary cap.
The club was forced to apply for a salary cap exemption to allow him to replace Robbie Farah (Origin), as well as Matt Ballin and Manaia Cherrington who are out injured.
Cherrington is expected to be fit for the Round 20 Telstra Premiership game against the Dragons, while Farah – who has been Liddle's idol since he was a child – will also be available after Origin.
"For salary cap reasons he probably won't play anymore, which is disappointing," Taylor said after the game.
"I thought he was great. He didn't look out of place for a second, especially against a team with those big guys. His defence was superb, and obviously his try was great.
"Early in the week we knew that was the way we were going to go. It was on the back of the fact he played in our ISP team against the Warriors last week and he handled that really well. That was a good trial for us.
"He's played plenty [of games] in that competition this year, but we knew that playing in that game against that team over there was going to be a really good test for him."
Taylor explained the situation to Liddle, his family and friends in the sheds after the game, while also heaping praise on his outstanding debut.
The 19-year-old said he was still hazy on the ruling, but wouldn't be deterred after seeing teammate Luke Brooks go through a similar situation in 2013.
"This has been a great opportunity but I'll just keep developing as a player and hopefully get a run next season," he said.
Perhaps the most touching moment of the night came after the game when Liddle and his mum Kellie embraced in the grandstand after the game.
The Australian Schoolboys representative paid tribute to his parents for their support over the years and was just glad he could share the special moment with them.
"She was overwhelmed, I think.
"It was just an amazing experience because they've followed me the whole way and backed me and all the support I get from them is amazing."
Sun 10 Jul, 2016, 7:30am
By Martin Gabor, National Correspondent , NRL.com
Wests Tigers fans got a glimpse into the future with 19-year-old hooker Jacob Liddle making his NRL debut off the bench in the 32-22 loss to the Bulldogs on Saturday night.
Liddle is contracted until the end of the 2018 season and is seen by many as the long-term successor for Robbie Farah.
The Wyong Roos junior said he grew up with two passions in life; rugby league and surfing, however the latter has taken a back seat in recent times with surf conditions near his home in St Mary's virtually non-existent.
Having played the game since the under-6s, Liddle linked up with the Tigers and made an immediate impact in the Holden Cup, winning the Players' Player award for the 2015 season.
He has since juggled his duties in the NYC with a promotion to the Intrust Super Premiership where he has tested himself against bigger bodies.
Liddle was in line to play for the NSW Blues under-20s Origin side next week, and said he was in "shock" when Wests Tigers coach Jason Taylor told him he would be making his debut against the Bulldogs instead.
"It's what every kid dreams of… It's been my dream ever since I was 10 years old," the rookie said.
"I rang all the family and they couldn't believe it. They were stoked.
"I didn't know what to expect coming into it. It would have been good to come away with a win on debut, but you can't ask for much more than that.
"I just tried to hold my own in the middle and give good service."
Liddle did more than just "hold his own" against the Bulldogs with 19 tackles, a line break and a try that he will never forget.
The 19-year-old did what all good hookers do by backing up on the inside close to the line, and he was rewarded when Elijah Taylor popped an offload in the 44th minute for him to latch onto and score.
"It still feels like a dream," he said when asked about the try.
"I got a lucky pass on the inside and it opened up and I got a little sneaky one. It was good."
However, Liddle is unlikely to play in the NRL again this year due to second tier pressures on the Tigers' salary cap.
The club was forced to apply for a salary cap exemption to allow him to replace Robbie Farah (Origin), as well as Matt Ballin and Manaia Cherrington who are out injured.
Cherrington is expected to be fit for the Round 20 Telstra Premiership game against the Dragons, while Farah – who has been Liddle's idol since he was a child – will also be available after Origin.
"For salary cap reasons he probably won't play anymore, which is disappointing," Taylor said after the game.
"I thought he was great. He didn't look out of place for a second, especially against a team with those big guys. His defence was superb, and obviously his try was great.
"Early in the week we knew that was the way we were going to go. It was on the back of the fact he played in our ISP team against the Warriors last week and he handled that really well. That was a good trial for us.
"He's played plenty [of games] in that competition this year, but we knew that playing in that game against that team over there was going to be a really good test for him."
Taylor explained the situation to Liddle, his family and friends in the sheds after the game, while also heaping praise on his outstanding debut.
The 19-year-old said he was still hazy on the ruling, but wouldn't be deterred after seeing teammate Luke Brooks go through a similar situation in 2013.
"This has been a great opportunity but I'll just keep developing as a player and hopefully get a run next season," he said.
Perhaps the most touching moment of the night came after the game when Liddle and his mum Kellie embraced in the grandstand after the game.
The Australian Schoolboys representative paid tribute to his parents for their support over the years and was just glad he could share the special moment with them.
"She was overwhelmed, I think.
"It was just an amazing experience because they've followed me the whole way and backed me and all the support I get from them is amazing."
happy_tiger
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@PrattenParkMagpie said:
And can you picture the mayhem if we didn't have these rules
Clubs would stockpile quality fringe players and just interchange them willy nilly
One of the few good rules linked to the salary cap in my opinion
innsaneink
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Thanks
happy_tiger
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@willow said:
I wish you could send this article to every Wests Tigers Forum member so they could possibly understand why Jason Taylor can't make some of the changes people are screaming for
But then again , no doubt some would claim JT was making it up or creating spin just so he couldn't pick players on purpose
PrattenParkMagpie
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@happy tiger said:
Yes, would be abused big time by a few don’t need to name clubs, the only real downside is that the second tier cap hasn’t kept pace with the NRL minimum, however having said that if the second tier cap was higher some clubs (did someone say the Roosters) would find a way to abuse it.
Still remember a decade ago when the gulf between second tier cap and NRL minimum was less and the Roosters had a few first grade quality halves running around in Reggies while a few other clubs were desperate for any first grade standard halves.
innsaneink
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I thought once a lower grader not from the top 25 was used it didn't matter if he was used again… I now see each time they're used it counts against the cap
It's annoying isn't it. It completely goes against why the salary cap exists.
We have a salary cap to stop rich teams from just going out and buying all the best players. But in this instance we are being prevented from using a 19 year old kid from our own juniors who has only just made his debut.
Ridiculous.
We have a salary cap to stop rich teams from just going out and buying all the best players. But in this instance we are being prevented from using a 19 year old kid from our own juniors who has only just made his debut.
Ridiculous.
happy_tiger
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@innsaneink said:
They had to get a special dispensation to use Liddle Ink
Much like we did with Brooks in 2013 but for different reasons
tigerman80
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If JT hadnt smartly wasted $300,000 on Ballin, Liddle and a few others might have had an opportunity much earlier. With Farah looking likely to stay next year, lets convince Ballin to retire and take a coaching job, and really focus on Liddle coming through.
PrattenParkMagpie
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@tigerman80 said:
Not really, even without Ballin the next highest earning player would be in the top 25 only giving a little more available NRL cap space, the promoted player would likely be replaced by another Reggies player earning similar second tier cap money realistically having very little or no effect on the available second tier cap space.
