Junior Moors... BOOMMMMM!

Well thats hard because its all relative to the the opportunity that Sheens has given them. In my opinion Moors should have been given more opportunity, so i believe its unfair to judge.
 
@Geo. said:
Cause I am 1 also …... :wink:

Cmon Sirro rank the forwards based on this years performances....BYE coming up....it will get boring...
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I should have said top 3 prop. But its close between him and Fifita.
 
@southerntiger said:
@barrytiger said:
@softlaw said:
Moors, Fifita, Dwyer.
Having those 3 as new faces in the pack this season have made a huge difference.
Developing into a strong pack.

anyone goin to give sheens some credit for these guys?

I will but many wont. Many people on this forum think players develop themselves.
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I'll give him credit, the junior development program at Wests Tigers that he's developed has been very successful, cubs and apprentice program…while Moors looks to be a good depth recruit at this stage....that said its like praising fitzy for having a good game....its what theyre supposed to do and I guess being in the shit for so many years recently there has not been a lot to praise about and lets see how we go against teams in the eight
 
Thats a fair call. I actually think its time for a new brains trust. However, people should give credit where credits due and show respect to a guy that pulled us out of the quagmire. We stunk before Sheens came and, in my view, if it wasnt for him (or someone with his type of mindset) there may not be a Wests Tigers today.
 
wow geo your list is a bit disturbing flanagan has been leaps ahead of fulton this year and you have him last…. fifita has been our best prop IMO very damaging runner the other guys should learn to use their size like fifita does, imagine if big keefy ran like fifita does.........
 
@ron burgandy said:
wow geo your list is a bit disturbing flanagan has been leaps ahead of fulton this year and you have him last…. fifita has been our best prop IMO very damaging runner the other guys should learn to use their size like fifita does, imagine if big keefy ran like fifita does.........
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Sorry to be the one who deflates your ego here a bit Ron but I think you'll find you'll be one of a very few who think Flanagan has had a better year than Fulton. If you look at the player of the year points Fulton is leaps and bounds ahead of Flanagan which means the general consensus has voted that Fulton has played better so far this year than Flanagan.
 
I think Fulton has been better than Flanagan, but that in no way is a knock on Mark because he has been tremendous.

For someone who only had 7 super league games to his credit before joining us, he's amazed me how quickly he's taken to 1st grade. At this point in time I can't see how dropping him can be justified. Himself, along with Moors, Dwyer and Fifita have proven themselves as great players we can rely on. Galloway is better than all of them…..but he can no longer be considered reliable.
 
@851 said:
@Chris said:
I know when Fulton and Galloway come back there's going to be disgruntled players and some red hot angry fans. one thing is for sure is that the there is no room for Fitzy now.

Not that there ever was,the back on the bench has to go when KG returns.
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i know 851,i'm excited to see a forward sit on the bench for 75min.
 
@Tigerdave said:
very difficult decision ahead

8 Gibbs
9 Farah
10 Galloway
11 Fulton
12 Ellis
13 Heighno

Which leaves
Fifita
Moors
Payten
Dwyer
Flanagan

At this stage, no one deserves to be dropped. Fifita I think is a given, so that's 4 players for 3 bench spots (hoping that the winger/fullback won't be there)…... after that I don't know. I suppose if we were to think of the future, you'd think about dropping Payten, but then how long is Flanagan going to stay in Aus?
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All those bloke have been putting in this year. In fact I think that the lowest performing out of them all has been Galloway - He comes back soon and should be fully fired up as those who have been playing in his stead have been exceptional.

Tough decisions ahead. Decided correctly we will have one of the best packs in the NRL come finals time.
 
@Chris said:
@ron burgandy said:
wow geo your list is a bit disturbing flanagan has been leaps ahead of fulton this year and you have him last…. fifita has been our best prop IMO very damaging runner the other guys should learn to use their size like fifita does, imagine if big keefy ran like fifita does.........

Sorry to be the one who deflates your ego here a bit Ron but I think you'll find you'll be one of a very few who think Flanagan has had a better year than Fulton. If you look at the player of the year points Fulton is leaps and bounds ahead of Flanagan which means the general consensus has voted that Fulton has played better so far this year than Flanagan.
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what was egotistical about my post? and chris id hate to "deflate your ego" but people on here have their favorites so sorry if i dont take much credence in a fan poll for POY points, unlike most on here i dont have an agenda and call it how i see it so if you could keep you personal opinons of me aside when addressing my posts please, there was nothing egotistical about my post
 
Defensively Fulton has been better.

Flanagan has offered more with the ball in hand though.

It is difficult
 
flanagans totals for the year
tackles - 279
tackles missed - 21
try assists - 2
line breaks - 3
runs - 79
tackle busts - 8
line break assists - 3
errors - 3
penalties conceded - 4
tries - 2
minutes played - 480

Fultons stats

Tackles -241
tackles missed - 21
runs - 64
linebreak assists - 1
line breaks - 2
tackle busts - 6
try assists- 1
minutes played - 456
tries - 3
penalties conceded - 4
errors - 4
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seems to me we get more out of flanagans time on the field then fultons but hey chris lets just use who the fans think are producing on the field hey, by these stats it doesnt look like fulton is "leaps and bounds" ahead of flanagan as you put it
 
:laughing: Stats…

Statistically Bryce Gibbs is ranked above Petro in all areas bar total metres gained.....

Games aren't won on the stats sheet...

Benji for one misses Fulton...the right side attack has suffered since Fulton's injury....They tried Flanagan now it's Heighno...even Payto was out there for a time against the Dogs...

Benji plays better with Fulton in the team....look at the Stats....
 
@Geo. said:
:laughing: Stats…

Statistically Bryce Gibbs is ranked above Petro in all areas bar total metres gained.....

Games aren't won on the stats sheet...

Benji for one misses Fulton...the right side attack has suffered since Fulton's injury....They tried Flanagan now it's Heighno...even Payto was out there for a time against the Dogs...

Benji plays better with Fulton in the team....look at the Stats....
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well geo stats are what they are, it provides unbiased views, people say fulton is the better defender well actually hes not, they say his work ethic is higher but it actually isnt, see opinions are debateable but statistics arent.

i did that more to kill chris argument about the POY votes and his statement of fulton being leaps and bounds ahead of flanagan, and also to prove how grossly either you have over-rated fulton or under-rated flanagan.
 
@ron burgandy said:
flanagans totals for the year
tackles - 279
tackles missed - 21
try assists - 2
line breaks - 3
runs - 79
tackle busts - 8
line break assists - 3
errors - 3
penalties conceded - 4
tries - 2
minutes played - 480

Fultons stats

Tackles -241
tackles missed - 21
runs - 64
linebreak assists - 1
line breaks - 2
tackle busts - 6
try assists- 1
minutes played - 456
tries - 3
penalties conceded - 4
errors - 4
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seems to me we get more out of flanagans time on the field then fultons but hey chris lets just use who the fans think are producing on the field hey, by these stats it doesnt look like fulton is "leaps and bounds" ahead of flanagan as you put it
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I dont see how those stats suggest we get more out of Flanno than Fulton.
 
lets see….

more hit ups
more line breaks
more line break assists
more tackles
less missed tackles
less errors
less penalties conceded
more tackle busts

you are right king sirro i dont see how we are getting more out of flanagan then fulton what was i thinking.......
 
@ron burgandy said:
well geo stats are what they are, it provides unbiased views, people say fulton is the better defender well actually hes not, they say his work ethic is higher but it actually isnt, see opinions are debateable but statistics arent.
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ummm, 'better defender' and 'higher work ethic' are not statistics they are your interpretation of what statistics like 'number of tackles per game' etc. mean. No real point to that comment but anyway :slight_smile:

Definitely agree that we need to see how Moors in particular goes against quality opposition but he's doing things right so far & thats all we can ask. And before Fulton was injured I think he was offering quite a lot more than Flanagan. Unfortunately the side can;t afford to carry both of them in any one game.
 
Ooops…stat alert...

I had to check...offical stats of the NRL http://203.166.101.37/NRL/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Flanagan 11 apperences
Fulton 7

Offloads Fulton 9 Flanagan 2
Line breaks 2 all
L break assists 3 -2 Fulton
Tackles Ave Fulton 37 Flanno 21.5
Tckl Breaks Fulton 14 Flanno 10
Ave metre made Fulton 59.4 Flanno 49.7
Points Fulton 12 Flanno 8

Love Stats
 
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