Justin Pascoe lifts lid on Wests Tigers issues

[Telltails]

I think anyone with half a brain can realise that the blame sits fairly and squarely with the players and managers, and media for beating it up as requested by the managers.

I think Pascoe in particular has sat there with very much gritted teeth, mumbling under his breath and seething inside, just having to weather the storm and standing at the foot of a battle he could never win. If the players stayed, we stayed poor and the manager continues to rule the streets and the CEO is a d***. If we let them go, the CEO is still a d*** because the big stars were allowd to leave. Its a no win. But guess what….Now, we call the shots!

I like him, alot. This guy is not a dud by any stretch. He has put common sense and good business ahead of heart and emotion. Heart and emotion is what brings NRL and other clubs to the brink of disaster and financial ruin time and time again. Its the backstory to rugby league. Business acumen and smarts is what keeps the big guns alive.

The heart and emotion is for the fans, where the decisions ARENT being made.

My only fear is this guy gets poached by another organisation to build them up from the ground, which is where his skills lie.

What a good post…that is as good as I have read in a long time. So true

What our fans are having trouble accepting most is that players are also making business decisions when negotiating contracts, and the days of club loyalty being a significant factor are well and truly becoming a thing of the past.

Players have now become commodities and they know that better than anyone. Im pretty sure Pascoe would like our club to be in a position like the Roosters and Bulldogs where what they can offer blows sentimental loyalty out the window.

 

[strrretch]

Given a difficult situation, seems like his and the clubs recent decisions are not so bad, maybe good. There will be those that will criticise no doubt, I am not sure they're justified in doing so. Time will tell.
Whingers aren't happy unless their whinging,

 

[TCL]

I thought it was good. He owned the mistakes which takes the wind out of the press's sails, said they tried to keep the players, said woods had contract back in December, teddy said no discussions till manager sorted and MM I do not recall if he said anything but I'm confident that Cleary made that call. Hopefully with Teddy's announcement the media will move on to the next club.

 

[TYGA]

My view is this. Pascoe was naive to trust the players and Moses they played him expertly. He bowed down to their every whim. In hindsight the degree of control they tried to exert over the club is disgraceful and we are better off without this sort of garbage. Cleary will be better off even though it may be harder in the short term. These pretenders were trying to run the club.

 

[TigerTone]

gday all,

Not sure if anyone remembers this , but when Marina GO had first come on the scene
(about 3 years ago) she had come out and said that the club was in a really bad way
and will continue be for the next 3 or so years. This year (2017) is the last year of all that ,
and she was totally right. She had said that from 2018 onwards , the club will be in a better
position , financially , and in many other ways , to be a more competitive club in
the NRL. Sinse then so much has changed at our club , financially , memberships ,
stability on the rise , sponsorships are on the rise.

 

[TigerTone]

i know it might be abit off topic , but i just wanted to throw that out there because
i believe that , she's probably done (in different areas of administration) just as much
as Pascoe behind the scenes. And if so then she should be credited for her work.

 

[MightyMaggy]

I think anyone with half a brain can realise that the blame sits fairly and squarely with the players and managers, and media for beating it up as requested by the managers.

I think Pascoe in particular has sat there with very much gritted teeth, mumbling under his breath and seething inside, just having to weather the storm and standing at the foot of a battle he could never win. If the players stayed, we stayed poor and the manager continues to rule the streets and the CEO is a d***. If we let them go, the CEO is still a d*** because the big stars were allowd to leave. Its a no win. But guess what….Now, we call the shots!

I like him, alot. This guy is not a dud by any stretch. He has put common sense and good business ahead of heart and emotion. Heart and emotion is what brings NRL and other clubs to the brink of disaster and financial ruin time and time again. Its the backstory to rugby league. Business acumen and smarts is what keeps the big guns alive.

The heart and emotion is for the fans, where the decisions ARENT being made.

My only fear is this guy gets poached by another organisation to build them up from the ground, which is where his skills lie.

Swordy! You sure did nail this one!
I think Justin Pascoe, Kelly Egan and Ivan Cleary have formed a formidable trio, who, at last, are in control of the Club. Their roles in last six months or so in the battle with the 3 players, their manager and the negative media(the Herald has been more balanced in it's reporting) of playing it cool was great. When it became necessary to draw the line in the sand, they played strong, as needed.
With the backing of the Board, this trio will build a very good Club.

 

[TYGA]

Don't underscore how important Cleary is in attracting and valuing players. Pascoes best show of leadership was hiring Cleary and not the coach players wanted. The blockages to the program are starting to dissolve.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Pascoe said all the right things in the interview, and I hope those who kept denying the fact that the club was a mess and had a lot of problems, have read Pascoe's comments on that.
The only real problem with Pascoe in the last month or so was the fact that they actually wanted Moses to stay. . Hadnt they seen enough to tell them that the big dream of him being the Future for the club, was dead and buried, if by any chance that Moses signed, then we were stuck with him and another huge bill for years. He was off contract and to even offer a new one was crazy , and unnecessary.
As far as Pascoe is concerned the jury's still out as far as I'm concerned. When we show it on the field consistently , I'l be happy to admit my fears about him were wrong.
But talking won't mean anything unless we get some results. We've got probably the right coach, still not sure about the Admin.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

Pascoe said all the right things in the interview, and I hope those who kept denying the fact that the club was a mess and had a lot of problems, have read Pascoe's comments on that.
The only real problem with Pascoe in the last month or so was the fact that they actually wanted Moses to stay. . Hadnt they seen enough to tell them that the big dream of him being the Future for the club, was dead and buried, if by any chance that Moses signed, then we were stuck with him and another huge bill for years. He was off contract and to even offer a new one was crazy , and unnecessary.
As far as Pascoe is concerned the jury's still out as far as I'm concerned. When we show it on the field consistently , I'l be happy to admit my fears about him were wrong.
But talking won't mean anything unless we get some results. We've got probably the right coach, still not sure about the Admin.

Do you really think Pascoe and the rest of management were going to publicly state that they didn't want Mitchell Moses at WT? Of course he is going to say he wanted him to stay (whether he did or not), especially whilst that player is still playing for WT. Can't fault Pascoe on that one.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

My view is this. Pascoe was naive to trust the players and Moses they played him expertly. He bowed down to their every whim. In hindsight the degree of control they tried to exert over the club is disgraceful and we are better off without this sort of garbage. Cleary will be better off even though it may be harder in the short term. These pretenders were trying to run the club.

I think it was just a hard situation. If he moved early with say a deadline he would have been looked down on by fans.

In rhe end the real losers are the players. Already one can see that Woods seems almost confused by the decision and teddy took a while and in coming weeks they may wake up to the fact they are leaving to probably play for less thanks to their management. And since they aren't going to Melbourne I can't guarantee they are going to stronger clubs.
As for Pascoe he somehow succeeded in making it yesterdays topic because already on the footy show their talking about our signing of Reynolds.

 

[sideline_eye]

The funniest part of that interview was the exquisite timing, taking advantage of the opportunity to express his regret for making the statement asking fans not to boo the players.His regret was pointed directly at the Woofs interview and the rubbishing of the club. The rest of the interview was really good and put the club's position very clearly. Didn't even say "it is what it is" or that he "just wanted to have a feed with the missus" once.

For all the booers out there, you now have the club's sanction to go for it. (But I still won't)

 

[Mickeyboy]

Didn't even say "it is what it is" or that he "just wanted to have a feed with the missus" once.

He was pretty close though with the "but that’s what it is" :wink:

Best thing he has done is sign Cleary, the bus driver seems to be doing a decent job at getting the right player at the right price, so far. I wonder how Ivan goes at Supercoach?

 

[Mr_Magpie]

**I think time will tell that appointing Cleary as coach was one of the smartest things the Tigers have done for many, many years.
Not only is he a smart coach, he doesn't wear any crap. Looks like he has a good say in who stays, who goes and who to get.
Refused to be held to ransom as evidenced in having Moses' offer taken off the table. Sure, it rattled the cages but it also showed big egos are worth nothing to him.
I see nothing but the best years since 05 heading our way as, like then, we are getting a very well balanced team.**

 

[cktiger]

Well, you would expect him to handle himself in an an interview more professionally than Woods lol
Didn't really say anything new, except commenting on the booing article and admitting he took too long to tie up the players contracts.
His job is to promote the club - hence no bagging of current players and expanding on everything wonderful about the club whilst dodging other questions … very much like a politician.
The girls let him off the hook a few times by not following up some of his 'non' answers.
The proof will really be in the pudding next year but lets hope we go well this year as well.

 

[krayola]

Pascoe has done a fair job since he came here, particularly in improving the finances of the club. The sacking of JT to be replaced with Cleary has also been an excellent choice.

On the negotiation front though, he completely failed. He allowed himself to be strung along. When he says in the interview "we thought we sold a great vision of the future to the players" but then is unable to say why players accepted less money to go to other clubs, it looks as if perhaps the players didn't think the vision was that great. In this instance, I do wonder whether if Cleary had come on board earlier and been a bigger part of negotiations whether we'd have lost Woods or Tedesco.

Did anyone else find it funny that Pascoe publicly backflipped on his 'booing' email? To admit that he thinks he acted rashly worries me and bringing that up doesn't reflect on him or the management at our club well at all.

 

[Tweed_Tiger]

Its a pity this didn't happen during the off season but I feel the way contract negotiations are done is to blame.

I don't think Cleary could of stopped them leaving and from how it played out most people think thats it best for all parties that it happened, these guys are all going to different clubs obviously they want instant success. I am happy this has all happened, the time has come for the club to stop treading water by trying to make people happy instead of doing what is the best for the club.

I think we are going to see a tougher, competitive and consistent team under cleary over the next 2.5 years.

Unfortunately this year there is only so much he can do with what he has been given, its hard to deny the positives are already starting to show. It would help if the people that are choosing to leave act more professional instead of creating headlines.

 

[yeti]

Pascoe has done a fair job since he came here, particularly in improving the finances of the club. The sacking of JT to be replaced with Cleary has also been an excellent choice.

On the negotiation front though, he completely failed. He allowed himself to be strung along. When he says in the interview "we thought we sold a great vision of the future to the players" but then is unable to say why players accepted less money to go to other clubs, it looks as if perhaps the players didn't think the vision was that great. In this instance, I do wonder whether if Cleary had come on board earlier and been a bigger part of negotiations whether we'd have lost Woods or Tedesco.

Did anyone else find it funny that Pascoe publicly backflipped on his 'booing' email? To admit that he thinks he acted rashly worries me and bringing that up doesn't reflect on him or the management at our club well at all.

To be fair, I think Pascoe was in an unenviable situation. As an 'outsider' coming to the club that had a policy of promoting local juniors as much as possible, he did more than he probably should have to secure the 3 amigos. Once the snake Moses (agent) started shifting the goal posts, it was then he should have laid down the ultimatums. Easy to be wise in hindsight.

 

[supercoach]

The only thing Pascoe did wrong, was not setting a deadline much earlier for the "three egos". They strung the club on for months with no intention of ever re signing. I can't imagine how bad it must be to have to deal football managers, my guess 100 x worse and dealing with used cars salesmen.

Anyway like others I think Pascoe and Cleary over a few years will make this club into a hard nosed and competitive club

 

[barra]

The only thing Pascoe did wrong, was not setting a deadline much earlier for the "three egos". They strung the club on for months with no intention of ever re signing. I can't imagine how bad it must be to have to deal football managers, my guess 100 x worse and dealing with used cars salesmen.

Anyway like others I think Pascoe and Cleary over a few years will make this club into a hard nosed and competitive club

Yeah, true. Pascoe probably realises this in retrospect with Ivan having come in and suggested that 'enough is enough' with these negotiations.

So a bit of a learning curve there for him, but I agree that the two could form a solid front over the next couple of years if they are on the same page.