Knock-On Effect NSW Cup Team List: Round 6

[sleeve]

Re-name the comp The Dead End NSW Cup.

These guys could play out of their skin and it wouldnt matter. In reserve grade they stay.


Yeah thats what Simpkin, BJ and AJ say.....oh hang on.

Ignore it if you like but guys like madden, Tuki, Cini etc beg to differ.

We have some real talent in reserves but we are back at the Sheens days where only 2/3rds of the squad are considered 'good enough.

Guys in first would have to sleep with the coaches wife to be dropped.


Madden isnt better than Brooks, Cini cant tackle. Tuki its a matter of time.


Madden will end up proving he can control a game and lead a team around better than Brooks.

He might "end up" proving that. When he does, he can replace Brooks. We are not there yet.

Cini can tackle and has a real knack of making the right decision. He seems more clutch than most of our backs.

Ive seen his games this year and his defence isnt good. He may not be far off, simply because our outside backs are so bad, but the fact is, he is not there yet.


Tuki doesnt need time he needs an opportunity. One he isnt getting while the coach tries to appease the current playing squad. Most of whom are letting him down. (suspension obviously lets the coach of the hook this week)

Tuki will get there, he is VERY young and our pack isnt ***our biggest*** problem at the moment.


Sorry to break it to you but our pack is a massive problem.

and yet its not our biggest problem. See how it works?

How many players would you suggest it is a good idea to replace in a week and yet maintain some cohesion?

The banter had been fun but discussing accountability with a fan like you is poitnless

How can you say Cini is up to first grade defensively , considering he will be in the defensive line , and not at the back ? Have you watched him ? So much arm grabbing . His attack is strong , and yardage work is of high quality , but if you think we are bleeding points low , this kid is not the answer .... yet . Madden is nowhere near as good as brooks , you just want to replace brooks because you’re sick of him , it has nothing to do with his quality or lack there of . And Tuki is 19 currently playing his first season of elite Rugby league . He has a great offload , is strong in his carries , but can be exposed in the defensive line mainly due to his lack of experience . Also his keenness to get rid of the ball can lead to errors , which is also about experience . That kid has been identified as the future of our club along with Blore Simpkins , Uto and Laurie . So relax with “give him a run” rubbish. Once he is deemed at enough of. Level he will come up , and never go down . You have to puck the right time , because if he comes up too soon , the damage it would do to him psychologically could be immense . Have a look at brooks for evidence of that .

Happy for you to go on record with Cini. I'll back him to prove you wrong soon enough

Cini's defence is the reason why he won't get a run in FG.

Defence is attitude. He will turn it around as he has the right attitude to improve his game

At start of this year I didn’t rate him.
But Currently what I see is “potential”.
He definitely has something. Yes needs someone to work with him in offseason on his defence.
But just get the feeling that over the years of watching lower grade footballers at start of their careers .... that we would regret if we let him go too early.

Exactly. We've been here before and always regret these early assumptions.

Let the guy develope.

That’s what CC cup is for ! LITERALLY!!!!!

It's also the place we as fans make calls on players like JAC and Papi and call them not up to it

i said at the start of the year, by mid year the spine will be Simpkin @9 , Brooks @7 , Madden @6 , Douehie @ centre, Kei @ centre and Laurie @ fb , still think i'm on the money.

I think you're wrong about Douehi, he's found his position at 5/8.

I like Doehie, but to me it's all about SPEED in these positions. Douehie has good hands , and with a powerfull centre and a decent winger would cause havac outside. Mads, Brooks, Simkin, wth Laurie sniffing around would be deadly.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Re-name the comp The Dead End NSW Cup.

These guys could play out of their skin and it wouldnt matter. In reserve grade they stay.


Yeah thats what Simpkin, BJ and AJ say.....oh hang on.

Ignore it if you like but guys like madden, Tuki, Cini etc beg to differ.

We have some real talent in reserves but we are back at the Sheens days where only 2/3rds of the squad are considered 'good enough.

Guys in first would have to sleep with the coaches wife to be dropped.


Madden isnt better than Brooks, Cini cant tackle. Tuki its a matter of time.


Madden will end up proving he can control a game and lead a team around better than Brooks.

He might "end up" proving that. When he does, he can replace Brooks. We are not there yet.

Cini can tackle and has a real knack of making the right decision. He seems more clutch than most of our backs.

Ive seen his games this year and his defence isnt good. He may not be far off, simply because our outside backs are so bad, but the fact is, he is not there yet.


Tuki doesnt need time he needs an opportunity. One he isnt getting while the coach tries to appease the current playing squad. Most of whom are letting him down. (suspension obviously lets the coach of the hook this week)

Tuki will get there, he is VERY young and our pack isnt ***our biggest*** problem at the moment.


Sorry to break it to you but our pack is a massive problem.

and yet its not our biggest problem. See how it works?

How many players would you suggest it is a good idea to replace in a week and yet maintain some cohesion?

The banter had been fun but discussing accountability with a fan like you is poitnless

How can you say Cini is up to first grade defensively , considering he will be in the defensive line , and not at the back ? Have you watched him ? So much arm grabbing . His attack is strong , and yardage work is of high quality , but if you think we are bleeding points low , this kid is not the answer .... yet . Madden is nowhere near as good as brooks , you just want to replace brooks because you’re sick of him , it has nothing to do with his quality or lack there of . And Tuki is 19 currently playing his first season of elite Rugby league . He has a great offload , is strong in his carries , but can be exposed in the defensive line mainly due to his lack of experience . Also his keenness to get rid of the ball can lead to errors , which is also about experience . That kid has been identified as the future of our club along with Blore Simpkins , Uto and Laurie . So relax with “give him a run” rubbish. Once he is deemed at enough of. Level he will come up , and never go down . You have to puck the right time , because if he comes up too soon , the damage it would do to him psychologically could be immense . Have a look at brooks for evidence of that .

Happy for you to go on record with Cini. I'll back him to prove you wrong soon enough

Cini's defence is the reason why he won't get a run in FG.

Defence is attitude. He will turn it around as he has the right attitude to improve his game

At start of this year I didn’t rate him.
But Currently what I see is “potential”.
He definitely has something. Yes needs someone to work with him in offseason on his defence.
But just get the feeling that over the years of watching lower grade footballers at start of their careers .... that we would regret if we let him go too early.

Exactly. We've been here before and always regret these early assumptions.

Let the guy develope.

That’s what CC cup is for ! LITERALLY!!!!!

It's also the place we as fans make calls on players like JAC and Papi and call them not up to it

i said at the start of the year, by mid year the spine will be Simpkin @9 , Brooks @7 , Madden @6 , Douehie @ centre, Kei @ centre and Laurie @ fb , still think i'm on the money.

I think AD is the 6 for the foreseeable future mate . I can’t see madden getting a run .

 

[sleeve]

Re-name the comp The Dead End NSW Cup.

These guys could play out of their skin and it wouldnt matter. In reserve grade they stay.


Yeah thats what Simpkin, BJ and AJ say.....oh hang on.

Ignore it if you like but guys like madden, Tuki, Cini etc beg to differ.

We have some real talent in reserves but we are back at the Sheens days where only 2/3rds of the squad are considered 'good enough.

Guys in first would have to sleep with the coaches wife to be dropped.


Madden isnt better than Brooks, Cini cant tackle. Tuki its a matter of time.


Madden will end up proving he can control a game and lead a team around better than Brooks.

He might "end up" proving that. When he does, he can replace Brooks. We are not there yet.

Cini can tackle and has a real knack of making the right decision. He seems more clutch than most of our backs.

Ive seen his games this year and his defence isnt good. He may not be far off, simply because our outside backs are so bad, but the fact is, he is not there yet.


Tuki doesnt need time he needs an opportunity. One he isnt getting while the coach tries to appease the current playing squad. Most of whom are letting him down. (suspension obviously lets the coach of the hook this week)

Tuki will get there, he is VERY young and our pack isnt ***our biggest*** problem at the moment.


Sorry to break it to you but our pack is a massive problem.

and yet its not our biggest problem. See how it works?

How many players would you suggest it is a good idea to replace in a week and yet maintain some cohesion?

The banter had been fun but discussing accountability with a fan like you is poitnless

How can you say Cini is up to first grade defensively , considering he will be in the defensive line , and not at the back ? Have you watched him ? So much arm grabbing . His attack is strong , and yardage work is of high quality , but if you think we are bleeding points low , this kid is not the answer .... yet . Madden is nowhere near as good as brooks , you just want to replace brooks because you’re sick of him , it has nothing to do with his quality or lack there of . And Tuki is 19 currently playing his first season of elite Rugby league . He has a great offload , is strong in his carries , but can be exposed in the defensive line mainly due to his lack of experience . Also his keenness to get rid of the ball can lead to errors , which is also about experience . That kid has been identified as the future of our club along with Blore Simpkins , Uto and Laurie . So relax with “give him a run” rubbish. Once he is deemed at enough of. Level he will come up , and never go down . You have to puck the right time , because if he comes up too soon , the damage it would do to him psychologically could be immense . Have a look at brooks for evidence of that .

Happy for you to go on record with Cini. I'll back him to prove you wrong soon enough

Cini's defence is the reason why he won't get a run in FG.

Defence is attitude. He will turn it around as he has the right attitude to improve his game

At start of this year I didn’t rate him.
But Currently what I see is “potential”.
He definitely has something. Yes needs someone to work with him in offseason on his defence.
But just get the feeling that over the years of watching lower grade footballers at start of their careers .... that we would regret if we let him go too early.

Exactly. We've been here before and always regret these early assumptions.

Let the guy develope.

That’s what CC cup is for ! LITERALLY!!!!!

It's also the place we as fans make calls on players like JAC and Papi and call them not up to it

i said at the start of the year, by mid year the spine will be Simpkin @9 , Brooks @7 , Madden @6 , Douehie @ centre, Kei @ centre and Laurie @ fb , still think i'm on the money.

I think AD is the 6 for the foreseeable future mate . I can’t see madden getting a run .

He's doing a good job Strongee, but when i look at the top 4, speed is king in these positions. The players mentioned all have attacking ability, good hands, kicking games and very similar to what Penrith have, with the time to develope together we could have the same spine!

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Re-name the comp The Dead End NSW Cup.

These guys could play out of their skin and it wouldnt matter. In reserve grade they stay.


Yeah thats what Simpkin, BJ and AJ say.....oh hang on.

Ignore it if you like but guys like madden, Tuki, Cini etc beg to differ.

We have some real talent in reserves but we are back at the Sheens days where only 2/3rds of the squad are considered 'good enough.

Guys in first would have to sleep with the coaches wife to be dropped.


Madden isnt better than Brooks, Cini cant tackle. Tuki its a matter of time.


Madden will end up proving he can control a game and lead a team around better than Brooks.

He might "end up" proving that. When he does, he can replace Brooks. We are not there yet.

Cini can tackle and has a real knack of making the right decision. He seems more clutch than most of our backs.

Ive seen his games this year and his defence isnt good. He may not be far off, simply because our outside backs are so bad, but the fact is, he is not there yet.


Tuki doesnt need time he needs an opportunity. One he isnt getting while the coach tries to appease the current playing squad. Most of whom are letting him down. (suspension obviously lets the coach of the hook this week)

Tuki will get there, he is VERY young and our pack isnt ***our biggest*** problem at the moment.


Sorry to break it to you but our pack is a massive problem.

and yet its not our biggest problem. See how it works?

How many players would you suggest it is a good idea to replace in a week and yet maintain some cohesion?

The banter had been fun but discussing accountability with a fan like you is poitnless

How can you say Cini is up to first grade defensively , considering he will be in the defensive line , and not at the back ? Have you watched him ? So much arm grabbing . His attack is strong , and yardage work is of high quality , but if you think we are bleeding points low , this kid is not the answer .... yet . Madden is nowhere near as good as brooks , you just want to replace brooks because you’re sick of him , it has nothing to do with his quality or lack there of . And Tuki is 19 currently playing his first season of elite Rugby league . He has a great offload , is strong in his carries , but can be exposed in the defensive line mainly due to his lack of experience . Also his keenness to get rid of the ball can lead to errors , which is also about experience . That kid has been identified as the future of our club along with Blore Simpkins , Uto and Laurie . So relax with “give him a run” rubbish. Once he is deemed at enough of. Level he will come up , and never go down . You have to puck the right time , because if he comes up too soon , the damage it would do to him psychologically could be immense . Have a look at brooks for evidence of that .

Happy for you to go on record with Cini. I'll back him to prove you wrong soon enough

Cini's defence is the reason why he won't get a run in FG.

Defence is attitude. He will turn it around as he has the right attitude to improve his game

At start of this year I didn’t rate him.
But Currently what I see is “potential”.
He definitely has something. Yes needs someone to work with him in offseason on his defence.
But just get the feeling that over the years of watching lower grade footballers at start of their careers .... that we would regret if we let him go too early.

Exactly. We've been here before and always regret these early assumptions.

Let the guy develope.

That’s what CC cup is for ! LITERALLY!!!!!

It's also the place we as fans make calls on players like JAC and Papi and call them not up to it

i said at the start of the year, by mid year the spine will be Simpkin @9 , Brooks @7 , Madden @6 , Douehie @ centre, Kei @ centre and Laurie @ fb , still think i'm on the money.

I think AD is the 6 for the foreseeable future mate . I can’t see madden getting a run .

He's doing a good job Strongee, but when i look at the top 4, speed is king in these positions. The players mentioned all have attacking ability, good hands, kicking games and very similar to what Penrith have, with the time to develope together we could have the same spine!

Yea we definitely have the quality , and way more potential in 1, and 9 than the panthers . They’re just further along .

I actually think AD could be a ball playing lock instead of Hastings , like Fittler and Clyde in the 90a . I know everyone is going to hammer me for that . I think JTJ would be less aggressive if madden was standing to his left all game , as he will give early ball.

Maybe Hastings as well . Maybe madden will supplant Brooks . If he is proven at some point to surpass brooks , then put him in .

I think AD ball skills are wasted at centre , and his running game negated , always running at speedy backs rather than coming in , against tired forwards and smaller halves .

 

[Guest]

Re-name the comp The Dead End NSW Cup.

These guys could play out of their skin and it wouldnt matter. In reserve grade they stay.


Yeah thats what Simpkin, BJ and AJ say.....oh hang on.

Ignore it if you like but guys like madden, Tuki, Cini etc beg to differ.

We have some real talent in reserves but we are back at the Sheens days where only 2/3rds of the squad are considered 'good enough.

Guys in first would have to sleep with the coaches wife to be dropped.


Madden isnt better than Brooks, Cini cant tackle. Tuki its a matter of time.


Madden will end up proving he can control a game and lead a team around better than Brooks.

He might "end up" proving that. When he does, he can replace Brooks. We are not there yet.

Cini can tackle and has a real knack of making the right decision. He seems more clutch than most of our backs.

Ive seen his games this year and his defence isnt good. He may not be far off, simply because our outside backs are so bad, but the fact is, he is not there yet.


Tuki doesnt need time he needs an opportunity. One he isnt getting while the coach tries to appease the current playing squad. Most of whom are letting him down. (suspension obviously lets the coach of the hook this week)

Tuki will get there, he is VERY young and our pack isnt ***our biggest*** problem at the moment.


Sorry to break it to you but our pack is a massive problem.

and yet its not our biggest problem. See how it works?

How many players would you suggest it is a good idea to replace in a week and yet maintain some cohesion?

The banter had been fun but discussing accountability with a fan like you is poitnless

How can you say Cini is up to first grade defensively , considering he will be in the defensive line , and not at the back ? Have you watched him ? So much arm grabbing . His attack is strong , and yardage work is of high quality , but if you think we are bleeding points low , this kid is not the answer .... yet . Madden is nowhere near as good as brooks , you just want to replace brooks because you’re sick of him , it has nothing to do with his quality or lack there of . And Tuki is 19 currently playing his first season of elite Rugby league . He has a great offload , is strong in his carries , but can be exposed in the defensive line mainly due to his lack of experience . Also his keenness to get rid of the ball can lead to errors , which is also about experience . That kid has been identified as the future of our club along with Blore Simpkins , Uto and Laurie . So relax with “give him a run” rubbish. Once he is deemed at enough of. Level he will come up , and never go down . You have to puck the right time , because if he comes up too soon , the damage it would do to him psychologically could be immense . Have a look at brooks for evidence of that .

Happy for you to go on record with Cini. I'll back him to prove you wrong soon enough

Cini's defence is the reason why he won't get a run in FG.

Defence is attitude. He will turn it around as he has the right attitude to improve his game

At start of this year I didn’t rate him.
But Currently what I see is “potential”.
He definitely has something. Yes needs someone to work with him in offseason on his defence.
But just get the feeling that over the years of watching lower grade footballers at start of their careers .... that we would regret if we let him go too early.

Exactly. We've been here before and always regret these early assumptions.

Let the guy develope.

That’s what CC cup is for ! LITERALLY!!!!!

It's also the place we as fans make calls on players like JAC and Papi and call them not up to it

i said at the start of the year, by mid year the spine will be Simpkin @9 , Brooks @7 , Madden @6 , Douehie @ centre, Kei @ centre and Laurie @ fb , still think i'm on the money.

Can't see Madden getting a go unless injuries cruel us. Kei has basically been injured since the season started so we haven't had a good look at him yet, however his default position by trade is centre so I hope he gets a good run there when he returns soon as he offers a hard running option now that AJ is gone for the season.

 

[Blocker1963]

Watched the game last night, CINI did quite well, safe, supported and good post contact metres, still needs to learn a lot. The young centre from Flegg looked good for the future OGDEN ? Freebairn also looked good as a ball playing lock.

 

[JC99]

Watched the game last night, CINI did quite well, safe, supported and good post contact metres, still needs to learn a lot. The young centre from Flegg looked good for the future OGDEN ? Freebairn also looked good as a ball playing lock.

Yeah Ogden is the centre from Flegg. Was carving up in Flegg and looked at home in reserve grade too. We stole him off the warriors I believe

 

[Thaiger]

Watched the game last night, CINI did quite well, safe, supported and good post contact metres, still needs to learn a lot. The young centre from Flegg looked good for the future OGDEN ? Freebairn also looked good as a ball playing lock.

Yeah Ogden is the centre from Flegg. Was carving up in Flegg and looked at home in reserve grade too. We stole him off the warriors I believe

I think Cini deserves a go at wing despite reservations about his defence in that position. His numbers stack up in NSW Cup to get a call up and he is Top 30.

Hoffman should not be let anywhere wing as he just can't play it well (much more at home at centre) and Cooper is too slow. Yes he's scored tries but to be honest anyone could have scored those and if he were a Flegg player playing up a grade we would probably be falsely singing their praises as the next big thing.

I find some of the size comments for wingers interesting given that someone like Codey Ramsay gets a run at Saints there occasionally and is quite tiny & seems to go ok.

We could do worse than put Dillon there as he is a similar size but he is more a specialist fullback.

For me the options are Cini, then Ogden & Dillon. All youth who could handle their own.

 

[Needaname]

Could anyone put together a summary of our lesser known cup players and whether they have been promoted from our juniors or who we have recruited them off and ideally the position they have played most of their football in before.
I know the usual suspects but Frebairn, Tapari, and others I’m less familiar about.

 

[AdelaideTiger]

Re-name the comp The Dead End NSW Cup.

These guys could play out of their skin and it wouldnt matter. In reserve grade they stay.


Yeah thats what Simpkin, BJ and AJ say.....oh hang on.

Ignore it if you like but guys like madden, Tuki, Cini etc beg to differ.

We have some real talent in reserves but we are back at the Sheens days where only 2/3rds of the squad are considered 'good enough.

Guys in first would have to sleep with the coaches wife to be dropped.


Madden isnt better than Brooks, Cini cant tackle. Tuki its a matter of time.


Madden will end up proving he can control a game and lead a team around better than Brooks.

He might "end up" proving that. When he does, he can replace Brooks. We are not there yet.

Cini can tackle and has a real knack of making the right decision. He seems more clutch than most of our backs.

Ive seen his games this year and his defence isnt good. He may not be far off, simply because our outside backs are so bad, but the fact is, he is not there yet.


Tuki doesnt need time he needs an opportunity. One he isnt getting while the coach tries to appease the current playing squad. Most of whom are letting him down. (suspension obviously lets the coach of the hook this week)

Tuki will get there, he is VERY young and our pack isnt ***our biggest*** problem at the moment.


Sorry to break it to you but our pack is a massive problem.

and yet its not our biggest problem. See how it works?

How many players would you suggest it is a good idea to replace in a week and yet maintain some cohesion?

The banter had been fun but discussing accountability with a fan like you is poitnless

How can you say Cini is up to first grade defensively , considering he will be in the defensive line , and not at the back ? Have you watched him ? So much arm grabbing . His attack is strong , and yardage work is of high quality , but if you think we are bleeding points low , this kid is not the answer .... yet . Madden is nowhere near as good as brooks , you just want to replace brooks because you’re sick of him , it has nothing to do with his quality or lack there of . And Tuki is 19 currently playing his first season of elite Rugby league . He has a great offload , is strong in his carries , but can be exposed in the defensive line mainly due to his lack of experience . Also his keenness to get rid of the ball can lead to errors , which is also about experience . That kid has been identified as the future of our club along with Blore Simpkins , Uto and Laurie . So relax with “give him a run” rubbish. Once he is deemed at enough of. Level he will come up , and never go down . You have to puck the right time , because if he comes up too soon , the damage it would do to him psychologically could be immense . Have a look at brooks for evidence of that .

Happy for you to go on record with Cini. I'll back him to prove you wrong soon enough

Cini's defence is the reason why he won't get a run in FG.

Defence is attitude. He will turn it around as he has the right attitude to improve his game

At start of this year I didn’t rate him.
But Currently what I see is “potential”.
He definitely has something. Yes needs someone to work with him in offseason on his defence.
But just get the feeling that over the years of watching lower grade footballers at start of their careers .... that we would regret if we let him go too early.

Exactly. We've been here before and always regret these early assumptions.

Let the guy develope.

That’s what CC cup is for ! LITERALLY!!!!!

It's also the place we as fans make calls on players like JAC and Papi and call them not up to it

i said at the start of the year, by mid year the spine will be Simpkin @9 , Brooks @7 , Madden @6 , Douehie @ centre, Kei @ centre and Laurie @ fb , still think i'm on the money.

I think AD is the 6 for the foreseeable future mate . I can’t see madden getting a run .

He's doing a good job Strongee, but when i look at the top 4, speed is king in these positions. The players mentioned all have attacking ability, good hands, kicking games and very similar to what Penrith have, with the time to develope together we could have the same spine!

Yea we definitely have the quality , and way more potential in 1, and 9 than the panthers . They’re just further along .

I actually think AD could be a ball playing lock instead of Hastings , like Fittler and Clyde in the 90a . I know everyone is going to hammer me for that . I think JTJ would be less aggressive if madden was standing to his left all game , as he will give early ball.

Maybe Hastings as well . Maybe madden will supplant Brooks . If he is proven at some point to surpass brooks , then put him in .

I think AD ball skills are wasted at centre , and his running game negated , always running at speedy backs rather than coming in , against tired forwards and smaller halves .

He would go great there in attack, but I think it would be asking for him to do too much in defence. He's looked very comfortable at 6 so far, give him more time there and allow the spine to build some combinations.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Re-name the comp The Dead End NSW Cup.

These guys could play out of their skin and it wouldnt matter. In reserve grade they stay.


Yeah thats what Simpkin, BJ and AJ say.....oh hang on.

Ignore it if you like but guys like madden, Tuki, Cini etc beg to differ.

We have some real talent in reserves but we are back at the Sheens days where only 2/3rds of the squad are considered 'good enough.

Guys in first would have to sleep with the coaches wife to be dropped.


Madden isnt better than Brooks, Cini cant tackle. Tuki its a matter of time.


Madden will end up proving he can control a game and lead a team around better than Brooks.

He might "end up" proving that. When he does, he can replace Brooks. We are not there yet.

Cini can tackle and has a real knack of making the right decision. He seems more clutch than most of our backs.

Ive seen his games this year and his defence isnt good. He may not be far off, simply because our outside backs are so bad, but the fact is, he is not there yet.


Tuki doesnt need time he needs an opportunity. One he isnt getting while the coach tries to appease the current playing squad. Most of whom are letting him down. (suspension obviously lets the coach of the hook this week)

Tuki will get there, he is VERY young and our pack isnt ***our biggest*** problem at the moment.


Sorry to break it to you but our pack is a massive problem.

and yet its not our biggest problem. See how it works?

How many players would you suggest it is a good idea to replace in a week and yet maintain some cohesion?

The banter had been fun but discussing accountability with a fan like you is poitnless

How can you say Cini is up to first grade defensively , considering he will be in the defensive line , and not at the back ? Have you watched him ? So much arm grabbing . His attack is strong , and yardage work is of high quality , but if you think we are bleeding points low , this kid is not the answer .... yet . Madden is nowhere near as good as brooks , you just want to replace brooks because you’re sick of him , it has nothing to do with his quality or lack there of . And Tuki is 19 currently playing his first season of elite Rugby league . He has a great offload , is strong in his carries , but can be exposed in the defensive line mainly due to his lack of experience . Also his keenness to get rid of the ball can lead to errors , which is also about experience . That kid has been identified as the future of our club along with Blore Simpkins , Uto and Laurie . So relax with “give him a run” rubbish. Once he is deemed at enough of. Level he will come up , and never go down . You have to puck the right time , because if he comes up too soon , the damage it would do to him psychologically could be immense . Have a look at brooks for evidence of that .

Happy for you to go on record with Cini. I'll back him to prove you wrong soon enough

Cini's defence is the reason why he won't get a run in FG.

Defence is attitude. He will turn it around as he has the right attitude to improve his game

At start of this year I didn’t rate him.
But Currently what I see is “potential”.
He definitely has something. Yes needs someone to work with him in offseason on his defence.
But just get the feeling that over the years of watching lower grade footballers at start of their careers .... that we would regret if we let him go too early.

Exactly. We've been here before and always regret these early assumptions.

Let the guy develope.

That’s what CC cup is for ! LITERALLY!!!!!

It's also the place we as fans make calls on players like JAC and Papi and call them not up to it

i said at the start of the year, by mid year the spine will be Simpkin @9 , Brooks @7 , Madden @6 , Douehie @ centre, Kei @ centre and Laurie @ fb , still think i'm on the money.

I think you're wrong about Douehi, he's found his position at 5/8.

I like Doehie, but to me it's all about SPEED in these positions. Douehie has good hands , and with a powerfull centre and a decent winger would cause havac outside. Mads, Brooks, Simkin, wth Laurie sniffing around would be deadly.

Doueihi just needs to stay in the one spot. Last thing we need is another Mbye who can’t cement a position.

 

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Watched the game last night, CINI did quite well, safe, supported and good post contact metres, still needs to learn a lot. The young centre from Flegg looked good for the future OGDEN ? Freebairn also looked good as a ball playing lock.

Yeah Ogden is the centre from Flegg. Was carving up in Flegg and looked at home in reserve grade too. We stole him off the warriors I believe

I think Cini deserves a go at wing despite reservations about his defence in that position. His numbers stack up in NSW Cup to get a call up and he is Top 30.

Hoffman should not be let anywhere wing as he just can't play it well (much more at home at centre) and Cooper is too slow. Yes he's scored tries but to be honest anyone could have scored those and if he were a Flegg player playing up a grade we would probably be falsely singing their praises as the next big thing.

I find some of the size comments for wingers interesting given that someone like Codey Ramsay gets a run at Saints there occasionally and is quite tiny & seems to go ok.

We could do worse than put Dillon there as he is a similar size but he is more a specialist fullback.

For me the options are Cini, then Ogden & Dillon. All youth who could handle their own.

Good summary Thaiger. Ramsay is a fine player and country product from Molong. The only reservation I have is we should ideally be playing specialist wingers. Ogden should be a centre because he has done so well.

 

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Re-name the comp The Dead End NSW Cup.

These guys could play out of their skin and it wouldnt matter. In reserve grade they stay.


Yeah thats what Simpkin, BJ and AJ say.....oh hang on.

Ignore it if you like but guys like madden, Tuki, Cini etc beg to differ.

We have some real talent in reserves but we are back at the Sheens days where only 2/3rds of the squad are considered 'good enough.

Guys in first would have to sleep with the coaches wife to be dropped.


Madden isnt better than Brooks, Cini cant tackle. Tuki its a matter of time.


Madden will end up proving he can control a game and lead a team around better than Brooks.

He might "end up" proving that. When he does, he can replace Brooks. We are not there yet.

Cini can tackle and has a real knack of making the right decision. He seems more clutch than most of our backs.

Ive seen his games this year and his defence isnt good. He may not be far off, simply because our outside backs are so bad, but the fact is, he is not there yet.


Tuki doesnt need time he needs an opportunity. One he isnt getting while the coach tries to appease the current playing squad. Most of whom are letting him down. (suspension obviously lets the coach of the hook this week)

Tuki will get there, he is VERY young and our pack isnt ***our biggest*** problem at the moment.


Sorry to break it to you but our pack is a massive problem.

and yet its not our biggest problem. See how it works?

How many players would you suggest it is a good idea to replace in a week and yet maintain some cohesion?

The banter had been fun but discussing accountability with a fan like you is poitnless

How can you say Cini is up to first grade defensively , considering he will be in the defensive line , and not at the back ? Have you watched him ? So much arm grabbing . His attack is strong , and yardage work is of high quality , but if you think we are bleeding points low , this kid is not the answer .... yet . Madden is nowhere near as good as brooks , you just want to replace brooks because you’re sick of him , it has nothing to do with his quality or lack there of . And Tuki is 19 currently playing his first season of elite Rugby league . He has a great offload , is strong in his carries , but can be exposed in the defensive line mainly due to his lack of experience . Also his keenness to get rid of the ball can lead to errors , which is also about experience . That kid has been identified as the future of our club along with Blore Simpkins , Uto and Laurie . So relax with “give him a run” rubbish. Once he is deemed at enough of. Level he will come up , and never go down . You have to puck the right time , because if he comes up too soon , the damage it would do to him psychologically could be immense . Have a look at brooks for evidence of that .

Happy for you to go on record with Cini. I'll back him to prove you wrong soon enough

Cini's defence is the reason why he won't get a run in FG.

Defence is attitude. He will turn it around as he has the right attitude to improve his game

At start of this year I didn’t rate him.
But Currently what I see is “potential”.
He definitely has something. Yes needs someone to work with him in offseason on his defence.
But just get the feeling that over the years of watching lower grade footballers at start of their careers .... that we would regret if we let him go too early.

Exactly. We've been here before and always regret these early assumptions.

Let the guy develope.

That’s what CC cup is for ! LITERALLY!!!!!

It's also the place we as fans make calls on players like JAC and Papi and call them not up to it

i said at the start of the year, by mid year the spine will be Simpkin @9 , Brooks @7 , Madden @6 , Douehie @ centre, Kei @ centre and Laurie @ fb , still think i'm on the money.

I think AD is the 6 for the foreseeable future mate . I can’t see madden getting a run .

He's doing a good job Strongee, but when i look at the top 4, speed is king in these positions. The players mentioned all have attacking ability, good hands, kicking games and very similar to what Penrith have, with the time to develope together we could have the same spine!

Yea we definitely have the quality , and way more potential in 1, and 9 than the panthers . They’re just further along .

I actually think AD could be a ball playing lock instead of Hastings , like Fittler and Clyde in the 90a . I know everyone is going to hammer me for that . I think JTJ would be less aggressive if madden was standing to his left all game , as he will give early ball.

Maybe Hastings as well . Maybe madden will supplant Brooks . If he is proven at some point to surpass brooks , then put him in .

I think AD ball skills are wasted at centre , and his running game negated , always running at speedy backs rather than coming in , against tired forwards and smaller halves .

He would go great there in attack, but I think it would be asking for him to do too much in defence. He's looked very comfortable at 6 so far, give him more time there and allow the spine to build some combinations.

Yep I agree , I was just thinking of a way to bring madden in , and maintain the qualities that make Adam so good.

 

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https://www.nswrl.com.au/news/2021/04/21/rabbitohs-v-magpies-nsw-cup-highlights-round-6/

Cini's defensive highlights, or lack of them show why he won't be picked for FG.

 

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Play of the week https://twitter.com/NSWCup/status/1384767491801374724?s=19

 

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https://www.nswrl.com.au/news/2021/04/21/rabbitohs-v-magpies-nsw-cup-highlights-round-6/

Cini's defensive highlights, or lack of them show why he won't be picked for FG.

Fwiw I definitely wouldn't pick him at FB in first grade and obviously the only negative defensive highlights here are two fullback plays where he was beaten for pace on the outside. Unless you've seen evidence to suggest he has issues defending at centre?

 

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https://www.nswrl.com.au/news/2021/04/21/rabbitohs-v-magpies-nsw-cup-highlights-round-6/

Cini's defensive highlights, or lack of them show why he won't be picked for FG.

Fwiw I definitely wouldn't pick him at FB in first grade and obviously the only negative defensive highlights here are two fullback plays where he was beaten for pace on the outside. Unless you've seen evidence to suggest he has issues defending at centre?

Doesn't lead with his shoulder...

 

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https://www.nswrl.com.au/news/2021/04/21/rabbitohs-v-magpies-nsw-cup-highlights-round-6/

Cini's defensive highlights, or lack of them show why he won't be picked for FG.

Fwiw I definitely wouldn't pick him at FB in first grade and obviously the only negative defensive highlights here are two fullback plays where he was beaten for pace on the outside. Unless you've seen evidence to suggest he has issues defending at centre?

Doesn't lead with his shoulder...

Oh is he a grabber? That's terminal if he doesn't fix it yah. Has he had shoulder injuries in the past or is he just shirking contact? Because the way he runs into the line makes me think he doesn't have any real problem with contact so it'd surprise me if he was catting it.

 

[Guest]

https://www.nswrl.com.au/news/2021/04/21/rabbitohs-v-magpies-nsw-cup-highlights-round-6/

Cini's defensive highlights, or lack of them show why he won't be picked for FG.

Fwiw I definitely wouldn't pick him at FB in first grade and obviously the only negative defensive highlights here are two fullback plays where he was beaten for pace on the outside. Unless you've seen evidence to suggest he has issues defending at centre?

Doesn't lead with his shoulder...

Oh is he a grabber? That's terminal if he doesn't fix it yah. Has he had shoulder injuries in the past or is he just shirking contact? Because the way he runs into the line makes me think he doesn't have any real problem with contact so it'd surprise me if he was catting it.

Runs into the line ok with the ball. Defence is his biggest problem from what I've seen. Still has the problem of not being particularly quick and gets beaten on the outside.