Kurtis Rowe [Discussion]
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tig_prmz
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@Sabre said:
he did not "give up" on chasing don.. he was going for the guy who charged it down but brooks covered him and rowe was too slow to react on the inside ball. if you watch the replay again, even when off balance, he still managed to turn around and chase don.
not attempting the high ball? he attempted every high ball- they barely kicked to him.. they mainly kicked to richards in the 1st half and noffa in the second.
half hearted kick returns? he ran it back with venom. however, he did stop just before hitting the line as any 20 yo fullback would. even slater, boyd etc. do it. if he runs straight into them- he would get pushed back 50 metres ffs.
you can doubt his ability but i know upon seeing moltzen of previous years what lack of heart means. this guy is trying hard- be critical of his positioning, his defense (which was bloody terrible) and support play.
jirskyr
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Sure Rowe seems an honest kid, he is young, inexperienced etc. But they are all excuses for ordinary performances. He's not just not James Tedesco, he is below what I expect of a FG FB.
It is fine to say "he is the backup and we don't have any other options" - if that is the case, then we stick with him for as long as we have to and endure the consequences.
But I feel there are other options, we just haven't explored them on the field yet, so I am not satisfied if he keeps his position.
Goose says we didn't lose because of Rowe - I'm not entirely convinced of that. It only takes a few positive plays or bad mistakes to turn the tide of a game.
It is fine to say "he is the backup and we don't have any other options" - if that is the case, then we stick with him for as long as we have to and endure the consequences.
But I feel there are other options, we just haven't explored them on the field yet, so I am not satisfied if he keeps his position.
Goose says we didn't lose because of Rowe - I'm not entirely convinced of that. It only takes a few positive plays or bad mistakes to turn the tide of a game.
jirskyr
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@tig_prmz said:
I agree with this - cannot fault Rowe's bomb defusal or kick returns. He's a lightweight, he's not going to punch holes in the defensive line. But his positive attributes lend as much to being a winger as a FB.
The other FB requirements as previously listed - positional play, 1-1 tackling, ability to find holes, speed off the mark, support - all below average.
Tim Moltzen is a pea-heart when it comes to taking hitups, but the kid is dangerous with the ball in his hands when fit, knows how to throw a pass, can expose a staggered line. Defence is pretty solid.
Perhaps if Moltz and Rowe could be morphed together they'd make a half-decent player.
bigsiro
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@jirskyr said:
Couldn't have said it better.
Love_the_WestsTigers
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Not sure if we credited the kid after his last performance (as i couldnt find any threads) but i thought he was brilliant.
i admit, i was one of many to give him lots after the 1st three performances but he stepped up against the rosters.Support play and ball return of high calibre in a losing team.
Hoping he repeats it against the sharks this sat.
i admit, i was one of many to give him lots after the 1st three performances but he stepped up against the rosters.Support play and ball return of high calibre in a losing team.
Hoping he repeats it against the sharks this sat.
Juro
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He was one of the real positives to come out of the game. Best game in the top grade so far.
happy_tiger
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Reckon Rowe and Nofoaluma will be copping heaps of high balls on Saturday
jirskyr
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Ow this is a Moltzen-type thread.
Rowe played fairly well last week, somewhere in the vicinity of where a FG fullback should be. That makes him brilliant compared to previous efforts, but still a long long way to go.
Positives - solid under high ball, doesn't get pushed back too much in kick return, quick enough especially when he backs himself to run hard.
Negatives still - average positioning and not much urgency for kick returns, speed hump in defence, struggles to chime into the backline especially if involved in a passing move, lacks weight.
Jarryd Hayne is brilliant. Greg Inglis is brilliant. Let's not go overboard here.
I offer instead measured praise and thumbs up for best game of his career so far.
Rowe played fairly well last week, somewhere in the vicinity of where a FG fullback should be. That makes him brilliant compared to previous efforts, but still a long long way to go.
Positives - solid under high ball, doesn't get pushed back too much in kick return, quick enough especially when he backs himself to run hard.
Negatives still - average positioning and not much urgency for kick returns, speed hump in defence, struggles to chime into the backline especially if involved in a passing move, lacks weight.
Jarryd Hayne is brilliant. Greg Inglis is brilliant. Let's not go overboard here.
I offer instead measured praise and thumbs up for best game of his career so far.
Was struggling with confidence to get properly involved until last week where his performance was stunning.
Defence - didn't you see his brilliant cover tackle against the odds .
At the least a more than capable future fill in on that effort , at a minimum
I just hooe he continues to develop his confidence with support play around the ruck when woods etc get their arms free he needs to be there not waiting for the next play
Defence - didn't you see his brilliant cover tackle against the odds .
At the least a more than capable future fill in on that effort , at a minimum
I just hooe he continues to develop his confidence with support play around the ruck when woods etc get their arms free he needs to be there not waiting for the next play
@Eberand said:
I also saw him arm grab to let a try in after half time and he let Tupou run over him to score the first try, just too small and not enough will to take him down. I watched the game with the old man and he couldnt believe what a piss poor attempt it was to stop their winger. The usual comment from the older generation is "cant run without legs" I had to agree with him. Rowe tried to tackle him around the arms about 8m out from the line instead of chopping his legs out. Would have stopped the try, who knows where the game would have gone from there.
He was involved heaps more last week but you can only polish a t@rd so much. Cant wait for Teddy to come back, Rowe is a massive liability in our team at the moment.
tig_prmz
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if many expect our second (or even third, counting moltzen) string fullback to be like manly's peta hiku- they'd be mistaken.
im a fan of rowe in the sense that he works hard and has pace. he's not at all bad for a back up fullback. his defense obviously needs work but if your fullback needs to defend, the chances are someone in the front line has alread effed up.
he will never be the reason we lose/win a game. not to mention he's only 19? tedesco was slipping and falling every 2 steps in his first few games.
im a fan of rowe in the sense that he works hard and has pace. he's not at all bad for a back up fullback. his defense obviously needs work but if your fullback needs to defend, the chances are someone in the front line has alread effed up.
he will never be the reason we lose/win a game. not to mention he's only 19? tedesco was slipping and falling every 2 steps in his first few games.
Love_the_WestsTigers
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@tig_prmz said:
Yep i remember that way too clearly
i did a lot of yelling at the tv back in those days (being a QLD resident)
GNR4LIFE
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One decent game and people are all over him. Not saying he doesn't deserve credit, but how have gotten amnesia over the last week is quite funny. I actually read a comment elsewhere, someone saying that they didn't care if Tedesco leaves cos in their opinion Rowe would be better.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, okay.
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