Last days of the Mighty Magpies

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In todays telegraph.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/last-days-of-mighty-magpies/story-e6frexnr-1226389475851?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dailytelegraphnrlndm+%28Daily+Telegraph+%7C+NRL%29

**<big>Last days of the Mighty Magpies</big>**

by Josh Massoud
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OVER two centuries of heritage will be on the table next week when Balmain and Western Suburbs directors convene for a landmark summit that could evolve their Wests Tigers merger into a new beast.

After 13 years of colourful board room history, the joint venture has arrived at a crossroads with its Magpies NSW Cup team facing the ultimate humiliation of a winless season.

Only given the all-clear to participate in January and without any NRL players, the foundation outfit has lost all 12 games by an average margin of 51 points.

The indignity has heightened moves to overhaul the corporate structure of Wests Tigers, starting with a secondary merger between Balmain and Western Suburbs at NSW Cup level in 2013.

And the changes could go much deeper - pending the open-mindedness of both partners to diminish their enshrined rights in the joint venture agreement.

Until this year's establishment of the independent commission, NRL executives were hamstrung by a compromised entity that required fastidiously equal agreement and input from both sides. Wests Tigers are clubland's answer to the code's previous marriage of necessity between News Limited and the ARL, with CEO Stephen Humphreys believing the "hour is ripe" for a streamlined entity to be created.
"By almost every measure, Wests Tigers has been a tremendously successful joint venture over the past 13 years," Humphreys told The Daily Telegraph. "But the joint venture structure can be a constraint to further growth.

"Generally, joint ventures are created for the two partners to work on a specific project that has a finite life-cycle. Or it's a transitional vehicle to a completely different and single entity.

"The board is now considering whether it's time to evolve from that transitional phase."

At best, the proposal will be a tricky and political sell. At worst, it will revolt diehards who value the independence of Balmain and Wests above the NRL franchise.

For instance, six seasons of false detente and ferocious debate have now passed since the State Cup merger was first mooted.

In 2008 and again last year, it appeared certain a single team would be formed the following season. But staunch elements within the Magpies opted to go it alone on both occasions, despite Wests Tigers coach Tim Sheens warehousing excess NRL players at Balmain for geographical reasons.

On the understanding that 2011 would be the finale, Wests Tigers financially helped the Magpies recruit players to ensure a dignified exit.

The team finished a respectable ninth; only denied a finals spot by a cruel schedule that gave Balmain an extra bye.

Prop Aaron Sweeney, one of the only Magpies to back up this season, confirmed the players thought their swan song was last year.

"We definitely got told there was going to be no team in 2012," Sweeney said.

"That's why all the players and the coach (Leo Epifania) left. If Leo and the other players stayed, we might've had a decent season."

The latest change of heart - accompanied by a public rally in Campbelltown - came far too late for replacement coach Trevor Schodel to assemble a competitive roster. Regrettable results have followed.

This collection of park footballers, NYC rejects, and Bundaberg Cup toilers have been flogged in a season of torture that bears eerie resemblance to the Magpies' final NRL flight in 1999.

SG Ball coach Jason Williams replaced Schodel two weeks ago and at least half a dozen players have walked out, including Sweeney.

"I had a big run-in with the trainer, but he's now gone as well so I came back," Sweeney said. "It was like the training you do with SG Ball. It was like training boys, not men.

"It was a bit all over the shop, a bit rough on the coach (Schodel) to recruit players and all that. The players are doing their best, but they just don't have enough experience."

None of this makes for pleasant reading and it remains to be seen how the Magpies board will respond to finishing on such a bitter note.

Four of the seven Magpies directors - including new chairman Mick Liubinskas - also sit on the board of its primary financier, Wests Leagues Club in Ashfield.

It cost Ashfield more than $1 million in grants to keep the NSW Cup team alive in 2010 and 2011.

Their contribution to Wests Tigers over the same period - as required by the joint venture agreement - was about $350,000.

On top of those commitments, the licensed club also funds the Magpies junior representative teams that are based in Campbelltown.

At Concord, where Wests Tigers administration resides, there is a strong push for the pie to be re-cut to ensure the precious pool of junior talent in Sydney's southwest is correctly nurtured.

"Wests Tigers believe that appropriate money for development and junior pathways should be the priority," Humphreys said.

"One of our greatest resources is the pool of juniors.

"If we invest in that properly there will always be local players representing Wests Tigers."

Something has to give: Balmain and Western Suburbs' stand-alone status would be reduced to the SG Ball level.

Speaking without the jingoism of some of his more militant predecessors, Liubinskas knows the coming months will be intense should a vote be put to his 310 members.

"I've got an open mind about things," he said. "We have to look at all our options to keep the Magpies flying.

"Everything will be on the table very soon."

As soon as this Thursday night.

For the first time in the joint venture's history, the entire Balmain and Magpies boards will gather at Concord to hear the recommendations of a sub-committee and share information.

It could spark a revolution, with Wests Tigers already in negotiations to build a new training facility at Campbelltown and permanently base their NYC team there.

"Similarly, we would see the NRL team and State Cup team having a significant presence in Campbelltown," Humphreys said.

"Everyone has strong opinions and they're normally borne out of historic allegiance. That's understandable.

"From a management point of view, we need to construct our plans to best support our future.

"We also need to respect where we've come from, but it shouldn't constrain everyone from reaching their full potential."
 
Roy also had a piece in today's herald. The pleasing quote is that the Wests Group are all finally on the same page. It also notes the financial distress on the Balmain side. Regardless, you get the feeling there will be some resistance from both sides.

My question is why would Balmain make such a momentous decision before the outcome of the Rozelle site is finalised?

**Balmain, Wests eye NSW Cup merger**

WESTS TIGERS' owners, Wests and Balmain, will hold a critical meeting on Thursday to discuss the future of their joint venture as the disastrous results of the Magpies' NSW Cup team fuel division between the foundation clubs.

Record losses by the Magpies in the NSW Cup have angered Wests traditionalists, who claim the Balmain half of the joint venture is favoured because the rejects from Tim Sheens's team are fed to Balmain's NSW Cup side, despite some of them originating from Wests territory at Campbelltown.

Last month, Balmain Ryde Eastwood beat Wests 88-16, using players who are proud Magpie juniors. However, Wests Tigers directors will discuss a white paper on Thursday that proposes a single NSW Cup team, named Wests Tigers, which will play six games at Leichhardt and six games at Campbelltown.

Essentially, the recommendation is that the stand-alone Magpies and Tigers sides will disappear from senior competitions. Furthermore, the management of junior representative teams of both clubs will be outsourced to Wests Tigers.

Should Wests and Balmain not agree to a single NSW Cup team, Wests Ashfield, the licensed club which backs the Magpies, would supply the $400,000 needed to support the team.

Balmain, with little cash reserves but unity among their directors, rely on Ryde Eastwood to fund their NSW Cup team.

_**The various factions at Wests, with a new football club chairman, Mick Liubinskas, are finally united and anxious to make a strong presence at the meeting.**_

Wests Tigers chief executive Stephen Humphreys said: ''I am confident the paper will be discussed in the right spirit with a positive outcome.''
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Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/balmain-wests-eye-nsw-cup-merger-20120608-201ex.html#ixzz1xFWUqagd
 
I actually like the sounds of all of this.

Greater cohesiveness of the Wests Tigers brand, One WT State Cup side and a greater presence in the Macarthur region with a focus on nurturing juniors.

It all sounds like a very well conceived strategy
 
@smeghead said:
I actually like the sounds of all of this.

Greater cohesiveness of the Wests Tigers brand, One WT State Cup side and a greater presence in the Macarthur region with a focus on nurturing juniors.

It all sounds like a very well conceived strategy

As long as the State Cup side called Wests Tigers I am good with that.
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Last days of the mighty Magpies? Not the last days ofmighty Balmain also? More gutter journalism by Massoud.

The proposals soound good in principle… doubt the members of either football club will vote in favour of this though.
 
@Staks said:
Last days of the mighty Magpies? Not the last days ofmighty Balmain also? More gutter journalism by Massoud.

The proposals soound good in principle… doubt the members of either football club will vote in favour of this though.

Would have thought you'd be used to it Staks. Even on the background this forum there is a Magpie but no reference to Balmain. I personally do support a single team but I know a lot of BDRLFC members are concerned that some people's idea of a "fair" split is 60/40 in Campbelltown's favour and trending more that way.
 
@Staks said:
Last days of the mighty Magpies? Not the last days ofmighty Balmain also? More gutter journalism by Massoud.

The proposals soound good in principle… doubt the members of either football club will vote in favour of this though.

It might well be the last days of the Magpies. It was only a matter of time.You have to remember Balmain lost their stand alone statues in sacrificing their name in becoming the BalmainRydeEastwoodTigers. It's only fair that they are united in the NSW Cup under the one banner. Win Win.
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It never sits well with me when one makes a decision that affects another, whether the latter likes it or not.

Has to happen though in some cases.

A bit over it all really, combine the lot of em….I wonder if it were all WTs, would that be the end of the Wests/Balmain blues? While the grounds remain...I think the blues will.
 
Slightly concerned with Liubanskas comment "we have to look at all aspects to the keep the Magpies flying"

The best way to keep the Magpies flying is to merge

If Mick thinks what the Magpies are doing at the moment is flying , he is kidding himself

I don't want it to happen , but if we can't get an even share of players , funds and officials its not worth it
 
Well Happy I think they need to evenly split the players or run one team under the WT banner. The situation we have this year doesn't do anybody any favours. I'd say even Balmain supporters are a bit saddened to see what's happing with the Magpies.
 
One thing that wasnt mentioned in article is a possible magpies bundy cup side to take overflow of any excess nsw cup or nyc players
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I think it is clear that Wests Magpies have the funds for a 2013 team. So what is the issue ??
 
@biggest tigers fan said:
well just finding out that balmain bt them 88-16 shows that a merged team is the way to go

Why ? If Balmain RYDE EASTWOOD cant field a side next year and Wests can, why merge ? Wests will get all of the WT players and that will be the end of the problem. One NSW Cup side.
 
Can't see Ashfield stumping up $400k for the state cup next year. I am sure the four Ashfield directors will vote for a merged Wests Tigers team …. What alternative is there ?
 
What a battle.Maybe its the way to go,if so hope on the WT jerseys a bigger magpie appears.I could hardly see it on friday night.However one good positive is the name Wests is still there anyway for all the Maggie supporters..
 
@Knuckles said:
Can't see Ashfield stumping up $400k for the state cup next year. I am sure the four Ashfield directors will vote for a merged Wests Tigers team …. What alternative is there ?

Wests Ashfield have already agreed to funding the money. So you can guarentee Wests Magpies will be there next year. Can anyone advise if Ryde Eastwood will continue with Balmain or not ?

If they do, then we would assume they will get all the WT players and staff like this year. If they dont, then I guess Wests Magpies will become the feeder team.
 
@Jackie Chiles said:
@Knuckles said:
Can't see Ashfield stumping up $400k for the state cup next year. I am sure the four Ashfield directors will vote for a merged Wests Tigers team …. What alternative is there ?

Wests Ashfield have already agreed to funding the money. So you can guarentee Wests Magpies will be there next year.

Oh well … Let's see if your right.
 
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