Lolohea or Gordon ?

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Was shocked to see the size of Tui's saddlebags in his debut for WT. He is going to have to drop near on 10kgs to even vaguely be capable of handling the fullback role IMO.
 
It is what it is

We have Lolo now
Im sure he will improve in 2018 with a better roster

Too early to be making those switch comparisons between him and Flash

The whole team is playing rubbish

If Roosters were coming last you wouldnt dare make this thread - IMO
 
I'll give you guys an insight from a Warriors tragic.

General thought was Lolo was the next Shaun Johnson. However after a few stints it became evident that he didn't have the same skill set, vision, or ability as SJ.
But the most damming thing that became evident as time went on is he lacked the heart.

SJ has steadily improved on defense, Lolo has got worse. He refused to put his body in line and while you can go missing in the line, you can't do that at the back.

Add to that he can't control a game in the halves, his passing game is below average, all he had was a good running game, but only in broken play.

After bulking up, the only play Lolo seems to have is the chip and chase, which I don't think he's ever pulled off!

Unless he completely does a 180, look forward to him drifting in and out of games, not taking control of games, and going missing in defense.
 
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I'll give you guys an insight from a Warriors tragic.

General thought was Lolo was the next Shaun Johnson. However after a few stints it became evident that he didn't have the same skill set, vision, or ability as SJ.
But the most damming thing that became evident as time went on is he lacked the heart.

SJ has steadily improved on defense, Lolo has got worse. He refused to put his body in line and while you can go missing in the line, you can't do that at the back.

Add to that he can't control a game in the halves, his passing game is below average, all he had was a good running game, but only in broken play.

After bulking up, the only play Lolo seems to have is the chip and chase, which I don't think he's ever pulled off!

Unless he completely does a 180, look forward to him drifting in and out of games, not taking control of games, and going missing in defense.
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Per your ultimate paragraph, he will fit right in at WT. I have a little more faith than you, as for mine, once he gets his conditioning back in order he will most likely shine again. Worth a shot at worst.
 
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I'll give you guys an insight from a Warriors tragic.

General thought was Lolo was the next Shaun Johnson. However after a few stints it became evident that he didn't have the same skill set, vision, or ability as SJ.
But the most damming thing that became evident as time went on is he lacked the heart.

SJ has steadily improved on defense, Lolo has got worse. He refused to put his body in line and while you can go missing in the line, you can't do that at the back.

Add to that he can't control a game in the halves, his passing game is below average, all he had was a good running game, but only in broken play.

After bulking up, the only play Lolo seems to have is the chip and chase, which I don't think he's ever pulled off!

Unless he completely does a 180, look forward to him drifting in and out of games, not taking control of games, and going missing in defense.
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Doesn't that apply to most youngsters in the warriors system? They have made the NYC grand final about a dozen times, but consistently failed to produce in the NRL.
RTS , Luke, Bodene and a number of others have killed their careers by going there, while blokes like Hurrell have prospered after leaving.
There is no better example of a player fading in and out of games than Shaun Johnson himself, and the warriors build a club around him
 
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I'll give you guys an insight from a Warriors tragic.

General thought was Lolo was the next Shaun Johnson. However after a few stints it became evident that he didn't have the same skill set, vision, or ability as SJ.
But the most damming thing that became evident as time went on is he lacked the heart.

SJ has steadily improved on defense, Lolo has got worse. He refused to put his body in line and while you can go missing in the line, you can't do that at the back.

Add to that he can't control a game in the halves, his passing game is below average, all he had was a good running game, but only in broken play.

After bulking up, the only play Lolo seems to have is the chip and chase, which I don't think he's ever pulled off!

Unless he completely does a 180, look forward to him drifting in and out of games, not taking control of games, and going missing in defense.

Doesn't that apply to most youngsters in the warriors system? They have made the NYC grand final about a dozen times, but consistently failed to produce in the NRL.
RTS , Luke, Bodene and a number of others have killed their careers by going there, while blokes like Hurrell have prospered after leaving.
There is no better example of a player fading in and out of games than Shaun Johnson himself, and the warriors build a club around him
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Very true in many points.

A couple I disagree with though, while SJ does suffer from disappearing in games, he is light years ahead of Lolo in terms of skill, and has improved his defence in leaps and bounds.

2nd Hurrell hasn't exactly lit the Titans on fire, and while he's an extremely damaging runner, his defence is woeful as is his commitment. He'll do a barging run, blow his wad, and continually be impeded by "injuries" for the rest of the game.

3rd While RTS isnt killing like he was at the roosters, he is coming back from a season ending knee injury, we don't have the forward pack they did, and he is still nearly making 200m a game.

if you read the Titans forum, a lot of their fans are questioning if Hurrell is worth the defensive liabilities he brings.

We have a carbon copy centre in Kata, and a better enforcer in Gavet, and the club is moving away from putting up with constant trouble makers like Hurrell, Matulino etc.
 
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I'll give you guys an insight from a Warriors tragic.

General thought was Lolo was the next Shaun Johnson. However after a few stints it became evident that he didn't have the same skill set, vision, or ability as SJ.
But the most damming thing that became evident as time went on is he lacked the heart.

SJ has steadily improved on defense, Lolo has got worse. He refused to put his body in line and while you can go missing in the line, you can't do that at the back.

Add to that he can't control a game in the halves, his passing game is below average, all he had was a good running game, but only in broken play.

After bulking up, the only play Lolo seems to have is the chip and chase, which I don't think he's ever pulled off!

Unless he completely does a 180, look forward to him drifting in and out of games, not taking control of games, and going missing in defense.

Doesn't that apply to most youngsters in the warriors system? They have made the NYC grand final about a dozen times, but consistently failed to produce in the NRL.
RTS , Luke, Bodene and a number of others have killed their careers by going there, while blokes like Hurrell have prospered after leaving.
There is no better example of a player fading in and out of games than Shaun Johnson himself, and the warriors build a club around him

Very true in many points.

A couple I disagree with though, while SJ does suffer from disappearing in games, he is light years ahead of Lolo in terms of skill, and has improved his defence in leaps and bounds.

2nd Hurrell hasn't exactly lit the Titans on fire, and while he's an extremely damaging runner, his defence is woeful as is his commitment. He'll do a barging run, blow his wad, and continually be impeded by "injuries" for the rest of the game.

3rd While RTS isnt killing like he was at the roosters, he is coming back from a season ending knee injury, we don't have the forward pack they did, and he is still nearly making 200m a game.

if you read the Titans forum, a lot of their fans are questioning if Hurrell is worth the defensive liabilities he brings.

We have a carbon copy centre in Kata, and a better enforcer in Gavet, and the club is moving away from putting up with constant trouble makers like Hurrell, Matulino etc.
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Is Matulino a trouble maker? First I've heard of that?
 
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I'll give you guys an insight from a Warriors tragic.

General thought was Lolo was the next Shaun Johnson. However after a few stints it became evident that he didn't have the same skill set, vision, or ability as SJ.
But the most damming thing that became evident as time went on is he lacked the heart.

SJ has steadily improved on defense, Lolo has got worse. He refused to put his body in line and while you can go missing in the line, you can't do that at the back.

Add to that he can't control a game in the halves, his passing game is below average, all he had was a good running game, but only in broken play.

After bulking up, the only play Lolo seems to have is the chip and chase, which I don't think he's ever pulled off!

Unless he completely does a 180, look forward to him drifting in and out of games, not taking control of games, and going missing in defense.

Doesn't that apply to most youngsters in the warriors system? They have made the NYC grand final about a dozen times, but consistently failed to produce in the NRL.
RTS , Luke, Bodene and a number of others have killed their careers by going there, while blokes like Hurrell have prospered after leaving.
There is no better example of a player fading in and out of games than Shaun Johnson himself, and the warriors build a club around him

Very true in many points.

A couple I disagree with though, while SJ does suffer from disappearing in games, he is light years ahead of Lolo in terms of skill, and has improved his defence in leaps and bounds.

2nd Hurrell hasn't exactly lit the Titans on fire, and while he's an extremely damaging runner, his defence is woeful as is his commitment. He'll do a barging run, blow his wad, and continually be impeded by "injuries" for the rest of the game.

3rd While RTS isnt killing like he was at the roosters, he is coming back from a season ending knee injury, we don't have the forward pack they did, and he is still nearly making 200m a game.

if you read the Titans forum, a lot of their fans are questioning if Hurrell is worth the defensive liabilities he brings.

We have a carbon copy centre in Kata, and a better enforcer in Gavet, and the club is moving away from putting up with constant trouble makers like Hurrell, Matulino etc.
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Geez a supporter of the most disappointing club in RL history telling us we got a lemon? But you know what, we have that clubs only coach ever to get them into a GF.

I think Cleary understands the mauri/islander psyche, we have a few.
 
If you are going to hate, lets hate on those who have underperformed from January rather then June.

We can't develop Gordon into a long term prospect. If we were talking about recruiting him then we should have kept Pat Richards (hey he is a better option then most now).

I think we payed too much for Lolohea, but I am sure as hell not punting him till he gets a better workout and Cleary has put him through a pre-season.
 
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Scary thought, wasn't Tui playing Winger in Reserves at Warriors? Why is he unfit, or having extra weight. I think you're right, he looks like he is carrying it, but why is he?
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My guess is he eats more than he can burn off in training, thus increasing in size. I might be wrong though…just a theory.
 
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Scary thought, wasn't Tui playing Winger in Reserves at Warriors? Why is he unfit, or having extra weight. I think you're right, he looks like he is carrying it, but why is he?

My guess is he eats more than he can burn off in training, thus increasing in size. I might be wrong though…just a theory.
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Wow, you just might be onto something there!
 
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I'll give you guys an insight from a Warriors tragic.

General thought was Lolo was the next Shaun Johnson. However after a few stints it became evident that he didn't have the same skill set, vision, or ability as SJ.
But the most damming thing that became evident as time went on is he lacked the heart.

SJ has steadily improved on defense, Lolo has got worse. He refused to put his body in line and while you can go missing in the line, you can't do that at the back.

Add to that he can't control a game in the halves, his passing game is below average, all he had was a good running game, but only in broken play.

After bulking up, the only play Lolo seems to have is the chip and chase, which I don't think he's ever pulled off!

Unless he completely does a 180, look forward to him drifting in and out of games, not taking control of games, and going missing in defense.
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I think you are wrong - he may well not be a 5/8 (from what we have seen he isn't, but the best we can find at the moment) but everybody seems to be judging him on his ability to control a game. He is not that type of player - he is more a Teddy, Benji type that plays off the cuff and what is in front of him.
As for SJ - not too many people have his skills, but a lot of them he wastes, one day he may reach the expectations that people had of him but I doubt it.

I really don't think the Warriors knew what to do with Lolo or were patient enough to give him time to develop his game in one position and ended up being shoved from pillar to post. When they bought Foran and RTS - that spelled the end of Lolo so they stuck him on the wing and in reserve grade - don't think he was one of Kearney's favs somehow. (The following sentence is all conjecture) I feel that he ended up disillusioned, felt rejected, possibly felt separated from some good mates and so ended up depressed, not putting as much into training, gained a little weight and became his own worst enemy.

I do think he will turn into a very good fullback especially under Cleary who was a very good FB himself, has a great football brain, a very good goal kicker, has patience and seems to be able to get the very best out of Polynesian players. It is unfair to judge him this year as he fills a vacant spot for us (he certainly is doing better than the little big head he replaced).

Wait till he gets the pathway he deserves to FB and see what he does after the remainder of this season, a full off season and gets a reasonable team around him.

People will be saying Connor who?
 
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I think you are wrong - he may well not be a 5/8 (from what we have seen he isn't, but the best we can find at the moment) but everybody seems to be judging him on his ability to control a game. He is not that type of player - he is more a Teddy, Benji type that plays off the cuff and what is in front of him.
As for SJ - not too many people have his skills, but a lot of them he wastes, one day he may reach the expectations that people had of him but I doubt it.

I really don't think the Warriors knew what to do with Lolo or were patient enough to give him time to develop his game in one position and ended up being shoved from pillar to post. When they bought Foran and RTS - that spelled the end of Lolo so they stuck him on the wing and in reserve grade - don't think he was one of Kearney's favs somehow. (The following sentence is all conjecture) I feel that he ended up disillusioned, felt rejected, possibly felt separated from some good mates and so ended up depressed, not putting as much into training, gained a little weight and became his own worst enemy.

I do think he will turn into a very good fullback especially under Cleary who was a very good FB himself, has a great football brain, a very good goal kicker, has patience and seems to be able to get the very best out of Polynesian players. It is unfair to judge him this year as he fills a vacant spot for us (he certainly is doing better than the little big head he replaced).

Wait till he gets the pathway he deserves to FB and see what he does after the remainder of this season, a full off season and gets a reasonable team around him.

People will be saying Connor who?
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Hopefully do, for his and the Tigers sake.

He did have some electric plays for the warriors, but as a poster here pointed out, there have been more rocks than diamonds so far.

If he is a Teddy / Benji type, he certainly is slow to show it, I think his first outing with you guys, he ran for 28m…

Regardless of all our conjecture, depth can hardly be a bad thing for our teams, and either way hopefully the tigers start to come right.

There is a good opportunity for him this week against knights, and you would expect him to shine in that game.
 
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i cant wait until gordon resigns with the roosters so i never have to see someone saying we should sign him again
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Gordon re-signed with Roosters today until the end of 2018.
Fair dinkum, if the NRL are that retarded that they can't see recruiting Tedesco on $1 million a season yet not getting rid of ANY of their existing players seems above-board then what an effing disgrace.
If the Roosters aren't cheating the system then I will set fire to my genitals at ANZ on GF day for pre match entertainment. Jeezus Christ the NRL are either corrupt or inconceivably incompetent or both.
 
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