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It's kind of a joke … There's so many threads about the magpie being to small , too much gold etc ... But the way I see it is the only word missing from the merge is balmain .... Not that I care
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GoldXR50Leroy
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While I was aware that Balmain/Ryde Eastwood would no longer compete in the NSWRL along with the Western Suburbs Magpies to be replaced by a Wests Tigers side I would have expected that Balmain would have survived in the Bundy Cup alongside with the Magpies, does this mean that Balmain no longer have a Senior RL side anywhere?.
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Balmain have bigger concerns at the moment.
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As a Balmain Football Club member I'm not sure the Bundy Cup interests me that much.
GNR4LIFE
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@tits magee said:
The thread died right here
Balmain giving up identity??? Lets see…
- tiger emblem retained along with long established tigers branding/legacy
- modernised tigers emblem that balmain would have done since 99
- tiger mascot still walking up and down sideline just like balmain tigers - magpie GONE
- black & gold only merchandise (shirts,jackets,scarves,beanies,wristbands, baby gear, kids gear, dreadlock wigs etc) just like balmain tigers
- Leichahardt oval branded as 'spiritual home of the tigers' - just like balmain tigers
- Ellery Hanley inducted into balmain hall of fame at a WT function despite also playing for western suburbs
- balmain nominated as sole feeder side to WT, leading to demise of wests magpies in nsw cup most notably in 2012
- media personalities like blocker roach who only acknowledge history of balmain (89 gf, tigers this , tigers that) on radio and tv
- wests name removed from WT membership logo on cards and letterheads
- magpie on sleeve reduced in size since year 2000 then dropped to cuff where players taper over arms.
- no reference in WT to 'western suburbs' or 'magpies' in any official manner
- tiger town - is it rozelle or campbelltown?
- No significant difference between balmain merchandising of the past to WT of now (i.e tigers scarf of balmain identical to tigers scarf of WT) yet a magpies scarf does not associate with WT despite being the other 50% of the JV
- inner west (balmain district) and inner city centric operations of WT. not embracing the south west except for 4 often poorly scheduled campbelltown games
- ex balmain player as CEO
- majority of media (tv,radio, print, online) refer to WT as just 'tigers' = taking away wests identity.
- majority of non WT fans perceive WT as an extension of Balmain with little recognition to wests
- WT fans displaying 'black & gold' army placards in the crowd/on tv - identical to the black & gold army of Balmain Tigers
- WT jersey designs bare little resemblance to any wests inspired designs (look at current series)
- a lot of ignorant WT fans in outrage when a wests magpies WT heritage jersey is revealed with no orange in it - yet balmain bumble jersey is worn by WT and no body including commentators make zero mention of it (pointing out that no one really distinguishes the two tigers brands - WT & Balmain)
I could go on for hours....
Despite the tongue in cheek intention of this particular thread..ask yourself how you would feel if the tables were turned around.
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- tiger emblem retained along with long established tigers branding/legacy
- modernised tigers emblem that balmain would have done since 99
- tiger mascot still walking up and down sideline just like balmain tigers - magpie GONE
- black & gold only merchandise (shirts,jackets,scarves,beanies,wristbands, baby gear, kids gear, dreadlock wigs etc) just like balmain tigers
- Leichahardt oval branded as 'spiritual home of the tigers' - just like balmain tigers
- Ellery Hanley inducted into balmain hall of fame at a WT function despite also playing for western suburbs
- balmain nominated as sole feeder side to WT, leading to demise of wests magpies in nsw cup most notably in 2012
- media personalities like blocker roach who only acknowledge history of balmain (89 gf, tigers this , tigers that) on radio and tv
- wests name removed from WT membership logo on cards and letterheads
- magpie on sleeve reduced in size since year 2000 then dropped to cuff where players taper over arms.
- no reference in WT to 'western suburbs' or 'magpies' in any official manner
- tiger town - is it rozelle or campbelltown?
- No significant difference between balmain merchandising of the past to WT of now (i.e tigers scarf of balmain identical to tigers scarf of WT) yet a magpies scarf does not associate with WT despite being the other 50% of the JV
- inner west (balmain district) and inner city centric operations of WT. not embracing the south west except for 4 often poorly scheduled campbelltown games
- ex balmain player as CEO
- majority of media (tv,radio, print, online) refer to WT as just 'tigers' = taking away wests identity.
- majority of non WT fans perceive WT as an extension of Balmain with little recognition to wests
- WT fans displaying 'black & gold' army placards in the crowd/on tv - identical to the black & gold army of Balmain Tigers
- WT jersey designs bare little resemblance to any wests inspired designs (look at current series)
- a lot of ignorant WT fans in outrage when a wests magpies WT heritage jersey is revealed with no orange in it - yet balmain bumble jersey is worn by WT and no body including commentators make zero mention of it (pointing out that no one really distinguishes the two tigers brands - WT & Balmain)
I could go on for hours....
Despite the tongue in cheek intention of this particular thread..ask yourself how you would feel if the tables were turned around.
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The tongue In cheek coment is. Reference to the fact we are no longer balmain tigers , we are no lo ger wests magpies . Gnr was right , I said it was messing around . But on the other side we are wests tigers . Simple as that
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Basil_Tiger
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IIRC one of the main options shortly before the merger was calling the NRL side the "Sydney Tigers",although it was a disaster in 95 the name change for the top grade was considered by many to be the way forward,anyway the point is Balmain was going to be lost in our name as we moved to secure a permanent top grade presence and this fact(among other things including financial) was was used to sell the "Wests Tigers " name on the Balmain side of the JV.
happy_tiger
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WTFL There is nothing stopping Wests (Us) to nominate Ellery to the Magpies Hall of Fame either
Wests Tigers sounds much better than Balmain Magpies
You will never get an even split in any merger one will have dominance due to numbers ,influence ,business strategy etc
If we stayed as Wests we die , or live on life support until eventually we become nothing
If Balmain stayed as a single entity the same would of happened
We couldn't have a better mix in my opinion
Saints and Sheilas fans and Manly and Norths fans would be envious of our situation in regards to how the entities came together Appreciate what has happened , as I have said countless times losing your club entirely is one of the worst feelings (bar family members passing away ) I have dealt with in my lifetime
Wests Tigers sounds much better than Balmain Magpies
You will never get an even split in any merger one will have dominance due to numbers ,influence ,business strategy etc
If we stayed as Wests we die , or live on life support until eventually we become nothing
If Balmain stayed as a single entity the same would of happened
We couldn't have a better mix in my opinion
Saints and Sheilas fans and Manly and Norths fans would be envious of our situation in regards to how the entities came together Appreciate what has happened , as I have said countless times losing your club entirely is one of the worst feelings (bar family members passing away ) I have dealt with in my lifetime
WTFL im sure you feel that, but there is plenty missing from the balmain side you dont notice cause it means little to you, unfortunately when we merged we both had to give up stuff to survive.
For starters we are not Balmain and dont play at leichhardt every week and never will. i know you think the merchandise has not changed for the old tigers fans, it has, and we play in white often, we are now the fibros, especially when play manly. We celebrated the 50 year anniversary of the West and saints gf.
They are regularly called Wests and even occaisionally Western Suburbs, im not saying these things shouldn't happen, in fact they should, both sides have given up alot to survive
For starters we are not Balmain and dont play at leichhardt every week and never will. i know you think the merchandise has not changed for the old tigers fans, it has, and we play in white often, we are now the fibros, especially when play manly. We celebrated the 50 year anniversary of the West and saints gf.
They are regularly called Wests and even occaisionally Western Suburbs, im not saying these things shouldn't happen, in fact they should, both sides have given up alot to survive
Benjirific
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@wtfl1981 said:
- I'm going to pick you up on a couple of things here. The Tigers emblem wasn't 'retained', there was a new Tigers logo created for the joint venture.
- The Tigers wouldn't have modernised their logo, A: because that logo isn't anything like their old one, and B: because they wouldn't be around now if not for the merger.
- The Wests Tigers mascot walks up and down the sideline because he is the Wests Tigers mascot. The Magpie does not because the Magpie is not our mascot. WE'RE NOT THE MAGPIES!
- The magpie on the sleeve thing is just ridiculous. It is a complete non-issue, and the fact that some people still whine about it shows they have no respect or support for the joint-venture as a single entity, and are simply living in the past.
- There is no official reference to Western Suburbs of the Magpies because we are neither of that. Is there any official reference to Balmain? No, because that would be stupid.
- You said the same thing about the merchandise twice, and the decision about those colours is simply a marketing decision. The gold (orange) colour is our point of difference from the rest of the competition, and quite simply it sells, the black and white stuff doesn't. (I have actually had discussions with WT merchandise people about this).
- There is an ex-Balmain player as CEO because he was the best candidate when the position was open, but we'll ignore the fact that for the first 8 years of the organisation there were ex-Wests Magpies officials in the CEO role.
- The media thing is simply because the media refer to the majority if not all clubs by their mascot, and repeating Wests Tigers consistently in copy reads and sounds terrible.
- The inner city location thing is simply a business decision. Being close to the city is what the club needs commercially, and is much better for recruiting players. In addition, our training base is actually in Wests territory.
- On the Campbelltown issue, you'd think if the locals were desperate for rugby league then they'd turn up if they only have four games a year. The club can't play the big games there because they are contractually obliged to play the bigger drawing games at SFS, and they can't control the scheduling by the NRL and the TV networks. If you want more games at Campbelltown, turn up and show your support and they will give you more. How can you honestly expect WT to take more games there if they can't sell out the ones that are there now? The Campbelltown area has never seemed to embrace the WT, much like they didn't really ever embrace the Magpies.
You could go on for hours, but you'd still not get anywhere. It needs to be accepted by everyone that we are WESTS TIGERS. If someone refers to us as the Tigers, I don't see any reason why there should be uproar, same as if we're referred to as Wests. They are what we are, but in saying that, we're NOT THE MAGPIES.
In reference to the former players, I personally regard all former Balmain and Wests players as legends of our joint-venture club. We have 200+ years of history, and it should be embraced.
But what would I know?
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The hole point of this thread was to acknowledge the fact that we are wests tigers now , regardless of who u supported previously . I was I massive balmain fan but I know longer cheer them on . I cheer on the wests tigers and I appreciate that we're a totally new team . Sorry if it went to far . Imagine In 10 - 20 years from now majority, our fans would probably never heard of balmain or magpies … Hmmmm
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One could make an argument also against the so called Balmain bias.
The first two CEO's were Bullock & Noyce ex Magpies.
Up until 2011 yes that is 11 years after inception the main jersey was always predominately black bar 2003-2004 where the white jersey was predominate. The orange jersey was only the main jersey in the last couple of years. The only reason we wore an orange jersey in the 05 GF was because of the clash with the Cowboys.
In regards to the Elias's & Blocker's opinion always being sort after with all due respect there were not too many high profile Wests players that actually were one club men over the last 25 years journos could call on.They normally go back to Noel Kelly to get a few comments. Tommy is one they go to a lot but he did also play for Newtown. The rest of the high profile Maggies unfortunately ended up leaving for other clubs. Concord the training base is also in very close to the old MAgpie border so I can't see that as an issue.
This is not an anti Wests rant the perceived bias to Balmain may also come down to profile before the merger. It can be argued that Balmain had a higher profile than Wests mainly due to their run in the 80's and so a lot of outsiders media & other fans may identify the team more to Balmain than Wests. Similar but by no means close to how people would relate St George Illawarra as St George.
I understand ex Wests supporters are upset with certain aspects but I was also annoyed the Balmain Tiger was replaced with a cartoon tiger as the offical emblem. You will never please everyone with a merger.
The first two CEO's were Bullock & Noyce ex Magpies.
Up until 2011 yes that is 11 years after inception the main jersey was always predominately black bar 2003-2004 where the white jersey was predominate. The orange jersey was only the main jersey in the last couple of years. The only reason we wore an orange jersey in the 05 GF was because of the clash with the Cowboys.
In regards to the Elias's & Blocker's opinion always being sort after with all due respect there were not too many high profile Wests players that actually were one club men over the last 25 years journos could call on.They normally go back to Noel Kelly to get a few comments. Tommy is one they go to a lot but he did also play for Newtown. The rest of the high profile Maggies unfortunately ended up leaving for other clubs. Concord the training base is also in very close to the old MAgpie border so I can't see that as an issue.
This is not an anti Wests rant the perceived bias to Balmain may also come down to profile before the merger. It can be argued that Balmain had a higher profile than Wests mainly due to their run in the 80's and so a lot of outsiders media & other fans may identify the team more to Balmain than Wests. Similar but by no means close to how people would relate St George Illawarra as St George.
I understand ex Wests supporters are upset with certain aspects but I was also annoyed the Balmain Tiger was replaced with a cartoon tiger as the offical emblem. You will never please everyone with a merger.
Interesting posts but let me make things clear..
I accept that Wests Tigers is who we are and the best name and fit for the JV - not arguing that. I appreciate what WT does for heritage rounds etc
My point is that Balmain Tigers have faired much better in terms of legacy, branding, tradition etc…
The Balmain Tigers emblem would have been modernised just like all other NRL clubs who moved on from their old skool logos, same goes for jersey designs...
Benjirific - you have actually backed up my points by your response.
Most non WT fans see WT as an (visual and geographical) extension of Balmain with little recognition of the original Western Suburbs Magpies
No matter which way you cut it, Tigers of old are not that separate from the Tigers of old. No one cares to distinguish the brands much at all.... Media included. Anyone notice that channel 9 used the WT logo when For the BRET team playing line up on GF day? So much for brand separation!
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I accept that Wests Tigers is who we are and the best name and fit for the JV - not arguing that. I appreciate what WT does for heritage rounds etc
My point is that Balmain Tigers have faired much better in terms of legacy, branding, tradition etc…
The Balmain Tigers emblem would have been modernised just like all other NRL clubs who moved on from their old skool logos, same goes for jersey designs...
Benjirific - you have actually backed up my points by your response.
Most non WT fans see WT as an (visual and geographical) extension of Balmain with little recognition of the original Western Suburbs Magpies
No matter which way you cut it, Tigers of old are not that separate from the Tigers of old. No one cares to distinguish the brands much at all.... Media included. Anyone notice that channel 9 used the WT logo when For the BRET team playing line up on GF day? So much for brand separation!
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Seriously - what is the point of this thread. Self destruction amongst supporters??
Anyone who has pot shots about the team, past, future or present starting with the creator of this thread should be barred from the forum as they are not supporters of the team Wests Tigers. Tongue in cheek or not. Instigating in fighting amongst supporters should not be tolerated.
Mods stand up and be counted and set a positive example.
Anyone who has pot shots about the team, past, future or present starting with the creator of this thread should be barred from the forum as they are not supporters of the team Wests Tigers. Tongue in cheek or not. Instigating in fighting amongst supporters should not be tolerated.
Mods stand up and be counted and set a positive example.
@wtfl1981 said:
Some people just don't get it….. the original post was tongue in cheek poking fun at all the missing Magpie posts when there is rarely a missing Balmain thread.
No matter how many thousand times you talk about the tiger and its relationship to Balmain it does not change the fact that the word 'Balmain' is nowhere to be seen in the joint ventures apparel - on the sleeve , on the shorts - even on the heel of the sock.
At least the Maggie gets a nod- so you should be thankful.
That is what the op was getting at , and just because some old Wests supporters will never differentiate a WestsTiger from a Balmain Tiger does not mean they are not different beasts.
As for the old chestnut of having a Magpie on the sidelines when we are called the Tigers.....duh?
I think the heritage rounds are the perfect (and only) time to trot out the old Maggies and Balmain stuff to remind our younger supporters of our past- isn't that what the heritage rounds are all about?
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@tits magee said:
It'll take a tad more than 10 or 20 years.
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