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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/benji-sheens-exit-would-be-devastating-20110428-1dywz.html
Loss of Sheens would be Devastating
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tiger4ever
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Lol see even our best player says it.Now whos going to argue with that…...calling all fantasy league coaches.
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http://www.nrl.com/tigers-want-sheens-decision/tabid/10874/newsid/62487/default.aspx
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http://www.sportal.com.au/league-news-display/sheens-mum-on-future-120350
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The best player in the side defending the only club coach he has known in his NRL career? Well thats a shock :laughing:
Love or hate him
Coach Sheens is the Nucleus of our young club
Coach Sheens is the Nucleus of our young club
tiger4ever
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Yeah it is ah.He doesnt have to say anything at all.
But anyway you would know of course. :unamused:
But anyway you would know of course. :unamused:
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I prefer the part of the article where he says that above all else he is a professional sportsman and regardless of where Sheens is he will always be able to ring him for advice and he will be with the Wests Tigers regardless.
Maybe Sheensy can get on the blower to Danny Galea and see if he knows any other centres who want to convert to prop
Maybe Sheensy can get on the blower to Danny Galea and see if he knows any other centres who want to convert to prop
tiger4ever
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@smeghead said:
haha and whats danny galea doing now.
Using your logic why would he say hes going to leave with him.
Maybe you can go prop haha
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@tiger4ever said:
Civonaceva came out and supporters Matt Elliot
Josh Dugan last year came out and supported david furner
Sam burgess and Dave Taylor have said they support John lang
Hell even after henjak was sacked Lockyer said he had always supported him
Does that make them all awesome coaches?
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Fringe backrower for Canberra, you know that. He was one of the best defensive centres in the game when he arrived with us.
When Marshall was insecure about his career arc and finding his niche he attatched his wagon to Sheens exclusively. Now that he has matured as a player and person he knows he can play under any coach and knows where his career is going. Maturity as a footballer and a person it would seem affected that change.
Sheens has actually been good for this club but the systems and methods are stale after 9 years and it shows on the field. A contract which would effectively lock us in to 4 more years of it is an error in my opinion
When Marshall was insecure about his career arc and finding his niche he attatched his wagon to Sheens exclusively. Now that he has matured as a player and person he knows he can play under any coach and knows where his career is going. Maturity as a footballer and a person it would seem affected that change.
Sheens has actually been good for this club but the systems and methods are stale after 9 years and it shows on the field. A contract which would effectively lock us in to 4 more years of it is an error in my opinion
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Did i say they were no…..i dont say his awesome or crap but i dont come on here thinking i know more then him fergie.
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Smeg i do know that.... but you used him as a example so how many games has he played in the second row for canberra in first grade.Ok so if he was playing in the centres who would you have left out to play him in a position that suited him.
So its that stale why did we run 3rd last year and still in the 8 playing crap.Tell me please because isnt he always judged in here on making the 8
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Smeg i do know that.... but you used him as a example so how many games has he played in the second row for canberra in first grade.Ok so if he was playing in the centres who would you have left out to play him in a position that suited him.
So its that stale why did we run 3rd last year and still in the 8 playing crap.Tell me please because isnt he always judged in here on making the 8
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I used him as an example of a player who the year before he came to us was the best defensive centre in the game. By the end of his stint he was playing prop. That is poor coaching no matter which way you look at it. I thought he was a better centre than Collis was personally.
Stale in the respect the same mistakes are being made and that there is zero pressure to underperforming players because they will never get dropped to State Cup. He makes the same calls that in the past have led us down the losing road and there is no accountability for anyone in the structure
Stale in the respect the same mistakes are being made and that there is zero pressure to underperforming players because they will never get dropped to State Cup. He makes the same calls that in the past have led us down the losing road and there is no accountability for anyone in the structure
Well at least we get anther thread about it… :bash
I give it to him though the intriuge surrounding Tim's decision has taken on Hollywood epic blockbuster proportions....
Sheens certainly is the Master.... :crazy :master:
I give it to him though the intriuge surrounding Tim's decision has taken on Hollywood epic blockbuster proportions....
Sheens certainly is the Master.... :crazy :master:
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Benji: Sheens exit would be devastating
Glenn Jackson, Greg Prichard
April 29, 2011
WESTS TIGERS five-eighth Benji Marshall says he would be ''shattered'' if Tim Sheens left to coach Penrith, and expressed concerns whether the club could find a fitting replacement.
Sheens is set to decide today between a lucrative four-year deal with Penrith and a two-year offer from the Tigers. Should he leave the Tigers, Marshall, who has been coached only by Sheens at club level, would be left ''devastated''. And he gave an inkling of the extent of the significance of the decision when he told the Herald: ''If you're getting someone else in, changing coaches, you try to go for someone else who's better. In my eyes, Tim's up there with the best in the game. Who's there to replace him?''
Sheens kept the league world guessing yesterday on his future, even refusing to front a planned press conference, leaving that job to his assistant, Peter Gentle. Marshall said he was in the dark, although he could not hide the effect that Sheens's departure would have on him personally.
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''I've been coached by Tim for my whole career,'' Marshall said. ''I don't want to lose him. I'm not going to lie - I'd be devastated. But at the same time, I'm a professional sportsman. Whatever he decides to do, I'll still be his friend and I'll still ask him for advice.
''Whenever it's come down to my contract negotiations, he's always said, 'Do what you think is best for you.' And I've done that. I signed a long-term deal at the club, and a lot of that was because of his influence but I can't complain. It would be great to see him stay but I certainly wouldn't be dirty if he doesn't. I would be shattered though.''
The Tigers will likely look to the likes of Huddersfield coach Nathan Brown as well as Ricky Stuart should Sheens depart, not to mention Gentle, Steve Folkes and Grant Jones, who are on staff. It would appear logical, though, that they would not replace the game's most experienced coach with someone who has not been in charge of one NRL fixture.
But the Tigers can at least rest easy that the national coach will not take the club's best player with him. Marshall had a clause in his previous
contract that he could leave the Tigers if Sheens did so but had it deleted for the five-year, lifetime deal that will take the playmaker through to the end of the 2015 season. Despite his connection with Sheens, someone he regards as a father figure, Marshall said he had no intention of walking away
''I'm on contract until 2015,'' Marshall said. ''I love it at the club.
''I could have got a lot of money elsewhere but I'm happy here, and I feel like my form benefited from signing a long-term deal with the club. I'm not going anywhere.''
Tigers skipper Robbie Farah maintained Sheens had much to offer the Tigers still, in his ninth season at the club, but said he would respect whatever decision he made.
''From the first year he coached me to now, he's a different coach. He's changed, he's always changing, and that's why he's survived in the game for so long,'' Farah said. ''But if he doesn't want to be here, or if he wants to go … we've got to move on.''
Gentle said he had no inkling of what Sheens would do, saying of the late change to the schedule: ''Quite often he'll throw me in if he's busy or whatever but I think he's avoiding the questions you're going to ask, so that's why I'm here.''
Admitting for the first time the interest in Sheens, Penrith chairman Don Feltis last night told the Herald he was expecting to hear from the coach soon.
''I anticipate we'll get an answer in the near future,'' Feltis said. ''I respect that Tim doesn't want to play it out in the media, and it's not in our best interests to do that either.
''We don't want to upset him, so we'll wait for him to get back to us. We want to let him make his own mind up, so we're certainly not going to put any pressure on him in the meantime.''
The Herald has learnt the overwhelming reason Sheens was Penrith's first choice to replace Matthew Elliott was because the club believed it simply could not afford to wait any longer to become a genuine premiership contender again.
There obviously isn't a guarantee of success, even under Sheens, but the club believed it had to appoint the best coach available rather than go for another coach who might be promising but either hasn't coached in the NRL recently or achieved as highly as Sheens.
Sheens is 60, and the club believes he has survived at the top for so long because his coaching has evolved with the game and he has proved he can relate to players of all ages. The fact he played for Penrith and began his coaching career there is seen as a romantic aside to making the side a force again as soon as possible.
Glenn Jackson, Greg Prichard
April 29, 2011
WESTS TIGERS five-eighth Benji Marshall says he would be ''shattered'' if Tim Sheens left to coach Penrith, and expressed concerns whether the club could find a fitting replacement.
Sheens is set to decide today between a lucrative four-year deal with Penrith and a two-year offer from the Tigers. Should he leave the Tigers, Marshall, who has been coached only by Sheens at club level, would be left ''devastated''. And he gave an inkling of the extent of the significance of the decision when he told the Herald: ''If you're getting someone else in, changing coaches, you try to go for someone else who's better. In my eyes, Tim's up there with the best in the game. Who's there to replace him?''
Sheens kept the league world guessing yesterday on his future, even refusing to front a planned press conference, leaving that job to his assistant, Peter Gentle. Marshall said he was in the dark, although he could not hide the effect that Sheens's departure would have on him personally.
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''I've been coached by Tim for my whole career,'' Marshall said. ''I don't want to lose him. I'm not going to lie - I'd be devastated. But at the same time, I'm a professional sportsman. Whatever he decides to do, I'll still be his friend and I'll still ask him for advice.
''Whenever it's come down to my contract negotiations, he's always said, 'Do what you think is best for you.' And I've done that. I signed a long-term deal at the club, and a lot of that was because of his influence but I can't complain. It would be great to see him stay but I certainly wouldn't be dirty if he doesn't. I would be shattered though.''
The Tigers will likely look to the likes of Huddersfield coach Nathan Brown as well as Ricky Stuart should Sheens depart, not to mention Gentle, Steve Folkes and Grant Jones, who are on staff. It would appear logical, though, that they would not replace the game's most experienced coach with someone who has not been in charge of one NRL fixture.
But the Tigers can at least rest easy that the national coach will not take the club's best player with him. Marshall had a clause in his previous
contract that he could leave the Tigers if Sheens did so but had it deleted for the five-year, lifetime deal that will take the playmaker through to the end of the 2015 season. Despite his connection with Sheens, someone he regards as a father figure, Marshall said he had no intention of walking away
''I'm on contract until 2015,'' Marshall said. ''I love it at the club.
''I could have got a lot of money elsewhere but I'm happy here, and I feel like my form benefited from signing a long-term deal with the club. I'm not going anywhere.''
Tigers skipper Robbie Farah maintained Sheens had much to offer the Tigers still, in his ninth season at the club, but said he would respect whatever decision he made.
''From the first year he coached me to now, he's a different coach. He's changed, he's always changing, and that's why he's survived in the game for so long,'' Farah said. ''But if he doesn't want to be here, or if he wants to go … we've got to move on.''
Gentle said he had no inkling of what Sheens would do, saying of the late change to the schedule: ''Quite often he'll throw me in if he's busy or whatever but I think he's avoiding the questions you're going to ask, so that's why I'm here.''
Admitting for the first time the interest in Sheens, Penrith chairman Don Feltis last night told the Herald he was expecting to hear from the coach soon.
''I anticipate we'll get an answer in the near future,'' Feltis said. ''I respect that Tim doesn't want to play it out in the media, and it's not in our best interests to do that either.
''We don't want to upset him, so we'll wait for him to get back to us. We want to let him make his own mind up, so we're certainly not going to put any pressure on him in the meantime.''
The Herald has learnt the overwhelming reason Sheens was Penrith's first choice to replace Matthew Elliott was because the club believed it simply could not afford to wait any longer to become a genuine premiership contender again.
There obviously isn't a guarantee of success, even under Sheens, but the club believed it had to appoint the best coach available rather than go for another coach who might be promising but either hasn't coached in the NRL recently or achieved as highly as Sheens.
Sheens is 60, and the club believes he has survived at the top for so long because his coaching has evolved with the game and he has proved he can relate to players of all ages. The fact he played for Penrith and began his coaching career there is seen as a romantic aside to making the side a force again as soon as possible.
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Best defensive centre in the game….yeah and im invited to the royal wedding
What losing road..... once again we run 3rd last year and 8 so far this year with loads of injuries....yeah where in crisis.
Galea got nothing hes playing where he belongs 2nds.
What losing road..... once again we run 3rd last year and 8 so far this year with loads of injuries....yeah where in crisis.
Galea got nothing hes playing where he belongs 2nds.
Dragons still going ok after Bennett ditched them and we'll go ok if Sheens goes because (when they're all on deck) we have a good roster.
Like everyone else I 'd like us to get the best coach available if he does go- but then look at the Broncos!
They're sitting at the top with a head coach with zero first grade experience.
Like everyone else I 'd like us to get the best coach available if he does go- but then look at the Broncos!
They're sitting at the top with a head coach with zero first grade experience.
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Look at the 2007 stats and Galea was the centre with the most effective one on one tackles, least trys scored against, least line breaks conceded, least missed tackles and least errors. Have fun at the Royal Wedding.
Come on now you are not a new supporter. Blocked out all memory of seasons 2007,2008, 2009? (2006 was a big injury year so I will leave that out).
The recruitment of Moodie, the retention of Halatau, the converting of Bronson Harrisson to prop?
Nowhere have I stated we are in crisis. This year still has alot of twists and turns for every club before it can be properly assessed. We could win the grand final and it would not change my opinion that Sheens has served us well but we need to look towards the future. We have some of the best attacking weapons in the world at the disposal of the team but our defence remains weak willed so much of the time with more holes than muslin cloth.
As far back as 2008 I have called for Sheens to move to a coaching direcor who can oversee operations but has no say over team selections. FTR I believe Sheens will stay as he is on far too good a wicket at WT in terms of job security
Anyway I have said my piece on this issue and will leave it at that and instead look forward to the Canberra game
Come on now you are not a new supporter. Blocked out all memory of seasons 2007,2008, 2009? (2006 was a big injury year so I will leave that out).
The recruitment of Moodie, the retention of Halatau, the converting of Bronson Harrisson to prop?
Nowhere have I stated we are in crisis. This year still has alot of twists and turns for every club before it can be properly assessed. We could win the grand final and it would not change my opinion that Sheens has served us well but we need to look towards the future. We have some of the best attacking weapons in the world at the disposal of the team but our defence remains weak willed so much of the time with more holes than muslin cloth.
As far back as 2008 I have called for Sheens to move to a coaching direcor who can oversee operations but has no say over team selections. FTR I believe Sheens will stay as he is on far too good a wicket at WT in terms of job security
Anyway I have said my piece on this issue and will leave it at that and instead look forward to the Canberra game
We havent been in the same position over tha last few years as we are looking at in the next few.
We should have made the semis back the but never before have we been staring down a stretch of years where we can be Genuine contenders…
Sheens and his team have built this. He isn't perfect and something on his watch have been hard to understand.
He gives us Credibility - If we loose him we may see the club go back to the days when we weren't a serious option for top quality players seeking to improve (not just get paid) to come to.
We need a ordered transition.
We should have made the semis back the but never before have we been staring down a stretch of years where we can be Genuine contenders…
Sheens and his team have built this. He isn't perfect and something on his watch have been hard to understand.
He gives us Credibility - If we loose him we may see the club go back to the days when we weren't a serious option for top quality players seeking to improve (not just get paid) to come to.
We need a ordered transition.
