Lost opportunity in Macarthur

[cochise]

There were no knights fans in Newcastle in 87 or Broncos fans in brisbane either. Wests have been in Campbo longer than those two teams have existed but due to massive mismagment havn't engaged the community. In 34 years!!!!
And it continues......

That's because the community didn't want to be engaged.

It is a dud area for the Wests Tigers as it was for the Magpies.

The good thing is that Souffs will find that out the hard way.

Well it's about time we cuts ties with the area. Wht are we wasting time and resources there?

There are fans here lol.... not that we get anything anyway. Tigers could cut ties and there'd be no difference besides 3 Campbelltown games.

That is complete rubbish.

Well I'm not the only one who sees it. Couple other posters on here from the area agree with me, the club does very little out here. Kids clinics mostly


The truth is always a gradient. IMO its important to occasionally view things from "a mile above" to get an overall POV. In this respect, all apparent indicators have been positive, increased pathway definition, increased resources on junior talent selection/retention etc are all positive and are all unarguable.

On the other hand, this thread and all this angst has been regarding another NRL team sponsoring a ***soccer*** team. It is an external indirect opportunity. I agree a lost opportunity but at what cost? If it cost Souffs $50 then of course it is bad missed opportunity, if it was $5M then it is a missed opportunity but not at a cost that is bearable. Obviously it would not have been $5M, but there is a number on that scale where it becomes not worth it and I would rather the club spenbd whatever money it has for the Macarthur in more direct methods than a soccer team.

Very well said.

 

[happy_tiger]

Souths have signed a ground breaking partnership with Macarthur FC.

Wests Tigers are losing the region to Souths and even Penrith..... What is our strategy for our footprint??

https://www.rabbitohs.com.au/news/2021/01/29/ground-breaking-partnership-with-macarthur-fc/

Honestly, I don't know, but think we may be giving up out there. Wests Magpies Canterbury Cup team has moved from Campbelltown.

I definitely think club bosses see our future as being in the Inner-West. Our membership, crowd attendance and general support is much bigger in this locality. And with the centre of excellence coming at Concord I think this is the area our focus should be on.

It is definitely the inner-west, no doubt about it. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to step back and look where Wests Tigers have developed and it’s not Campbelltown.

exactly it is not like they built COE at campbletown
hope we can keep the Junior nursery going though and not let souths in dogs may be next


So you want your cake and you want to eat it too. The point is Souths are proactively engaging the community out there while we sit by and do nothing. It won't change much over the next year or two but they will just keep chipping away until they have a foothold in the area. They already play trials there and hold regular junior and school clinics in the area. Its not about moving lock stock and barrel to the area - its about maintaining strong ties with community and looking at ways to strenghten our hold on that nursery you talk about. People keep whingeing on here about doing what the "big" clubs do and then when one of those big clubs proactively moves in on our turf the same people say who cares it means nothing. It obviously means something to Souths.

We do all those things in the area plus play NRL games there, not just trials? We support the junior leagues out there and are developing and strengthening pathways, including putting highly experienced coaching staff in roles to mentor coaches, players and trainers. There are plans for an academy to be built in the area.

The area is not really engaging with the club, what is it that people want the club to do?

The people want the club to relocate to Campbelltown, that’s not going to happen.

Its not so much about relocating its about looking after what you have look how much things have changed in the last 20 years whats it going to be in the next 20 years ????? some of us will be long gone others will be still be around you don't want the scenario of SHOULDA WOULDA COULDA

I don't know if the area has the ability to support an NRL team.

Don't think the area has the inclination to support an NRL team.

Most people that move to new development areas, already have grown up supporting teams from the areas they move from.
E.g. If people on here moved to say Gymea or Caringbah - would you become Sharks supporters or continue to follow the Tigers?

Agree fully mate, I am a prime example of that. I grew up in the Hunter but by the time the Knights came in I was 10 and already had my team. I have lived in both Parramatta and now Penrith for the past 20 years. There is no way I would change to follow any of these teams as I am a Wests Tiger through and through even though I have never lived in one of our catchment areas.

So your a gypsy then ??

Yes I am and I just placed a curse on you.

Let me guess ...that my footy side doesn't make Top 8 again .....DOH

Yep, didn't realise that I also cursed myself.

Every season I tell you to curse me to lose weight ,get a boat and a beautiful filleter / bait gatherer /brewery owner

And every year you curse our team

 

[JC99]

There were no knights fans in Newcastle in 87 or Broncos fans in brisbane either. Wests have been in Campbo longer than those two teams have existed but due to massive mismagment havn't engaged the community. In 34 years!!!!
And it continues......

That's because the community didn't want to be engaged.

It is a dud area for the Wests Tigers as it was for the Magpies.

The good thing is that Souffs will find that out the hard way.

Well it's about time we cuts ties with the area. Wht are we wasting time and resources there?

There are fans here lol.... not that we get anything anyway. Tigers could cut ties and there'd be no difference besides 3 Campbelltown games.

That is complete rubbish.

Well I'm not the only one who sees it. Couple other posters on here from the area agree with me, the club does very little out here. Kids clinics mostly

Mate, they stepped in to help support the junior league for one thing. They are in the process of strengthening the pathways. The elite programs are linked directly to the club. What you said is just completely wrong. Could they do more? Yes most definitely but to say if they abandon the area all that would be lost is 3 NRL games is a fabrication.

How longs it taken them to start fixing the pathways? It's been shambles for a decade or more. I'm yet to see any difference with them either.

Regardless, I wasn't talking about a pathways point of view for juniors, I was talking about fan interaction with the club in the region. Should've worded it better, that's my bad.

The junior league was ran into the ground and our pathways were destroyed post the "big 3" leaving when we decided to buy our players instead of paying for potential because they left anyway.

It wasn't until Madge arrived that we started to pay attention to our pathways again. That is why we have both Palmer and Farah working in roles that involve mentoring and training of players, coaches and trainers in our pathways system. Just because you can't see it doesn’t mean there isn't stuff occurring.

There's stuff occurring but until it gets down to the junior level nothing has changed from my point of view. Once they start keeping the best local talent and winning some games at magpies I'll be happy. I'm glad they're trying to fix it and I'm keen to see how their junior teams go this season. Haven't been more interested in our SG ball and jersey Flegg for a long time.

 

[cochise]

There were no knights fans in Newcastle in 87 or Broncos fans in brisbane either. Wests have been in Campbo longer than those two teams have existed but due to massive mismagment havn't engaged the community. In 34 years!!!!
And it continues......

That's because the community didn't want to be engaged.

It is a dud area for the Wests Tigers as it was for the Magpies.

The good thing is that Souffs will find that out the hard way.

Well it's about time we cuts ties with the area. Wht are we wasting time and resources there?

There are fans here lol.... not that we get anything anyway. Tigers could cut ties and there'd be no difference besides 3 Campbelltown games.

That is complete rubbish.

Well I'm not the only one who sees it. Couple other posters on here from the area agree with me, the club does very little out here. Kids clinics mostly

Mate, they stepped in to help support the junior league for one thing. They are in the process of strengthening the pathways. The elite programs are linked directly to the club. What you said is just completely wrong. Could they do more? Yes most definitely but to say if they abandon the area all that would be lost is 3 NRL games is a fabrication.

How longs it taken them to start fixing the pathways? It's been shambles for a decade or more. I'm yet to see any difference with them either.

Regardless, I wasn't talking about a pathways point of view for juniors, I was talking about fan interaction with the club in the region. Should've worded it better, that's my bad.

The junior league was ran into the ground and our pathways were destroyed post the "big 3" leaving when we decided to buy our players instead of paying for potential because they left anyway.

It wasn't until Madge arrived that we started to pay attention to our pathways again. That is why we have both Palmer and Farah working in roles that involve mentoring and training of players, coaches and trainers in our pathways system. Just because you can't see it doesn’t mean there isn't stuff occurring.

There's stuff occurring but until it gets down to the junior level nothing has changed from my point of view. Once they start keeping the best local talent and winning some games at magpies I'll be happy. I'm glad they're trying to fix it and I'm keen to see how their junior teams go this season. Haven't been more interested in our SG ball and jersey Flegg for a long time.

Hopefully they get a full season in after the disruption of last year.

 

[twentyforty]

There were no knights fans in Newcastle in 87 or Broncos fans in brisbane either. Wests have been in Campbo longer than those two teams have existed but due to massive mismagment havn't engaged the community. In 34 years!!!!
And it continues......

That's because the community didn't want to be engaged.

It is a dud area for the Wests Tigers as it was for the Magpies.

The good thing is that Souffs will find that out the hard way.

Well it's about time we cuts ties with the area. Wht are we wasting time and resources there?

There are fans here lol.... not that we get anything anyway. Tigers could cut ties and there'd be no difference besides 3 Campbelltown games.

That is complete rubbish.

Well I'm not the only one who sees it. Couple other posters on here from the area agree with me, the club does very little out here. Kids clinics mostly

Mate, they stepped in to help support the junior league for one thing. They are in the process of strengthening the pathways. The elite programs are linked directly to the club. What you said is just completely wrong. Could they do more? Yes most definitely but to say if they abandon the area all that would be lost is 3 NRL games is a fabrication.

How longs it taken them to start fixing the pathways? It's been shambles for a decade or more. I'm yet to see any difference with them either.

Regardless, I wasn't talking about a pathways point of view for juniors, I was talking about fan interaction with the club in the region. Should've worded it better, that's my bad.

The junior league was ran into the ground and our pathways were destroyed post the "big 3" leaving when we decided to buy our players instead of paying for potential because they left anyway.

It wasn't until Madge arrived that we started to pay attention to our pathways again. That is why we have both Palmer and Farah working in roles that involve mentoring and training of players, coaches and trainers in our pathways system. Just because you can't see it doesn’t mean there isn't stuff occurring.

There's stuff occurring but until it gets down to the junior level nothing has changed from my point of view. Once they start keeping the best local talent and winning some games at magpies I'll be happy. I'm glad they're trying to fix it and I'm keen to see how their junior teams go this season. Haven't been more interested in our SG ball and jersey Flegg for a long time.

I wouldn’t be too hard on them? The desired outcome could be brand recognition and increased fan base?

 

[JC99]

There were no knights fans in Newcastle in 87 or Broncos fans in brisbane either. Wests have been in Campbo longer than those two teams have existed but due to massive mismagment havn't engaged the community. In 34 years!!!!
And it continues......

That's because the community didn't want to be engaged.

It is a dud area for the Wests Tigers as it was for the Magpies.

The good thing is that Souffs will find that out the hard way.

Well it's about time we cuts ties with the area. Wht are we wasting time and resources there?

There are fans here lol.... not that we get anything anyway. Tigers could cut ties and there'd be no difference besides 3 Campbelltown games.

That is complete rubbish.

Well I'm not the only one who sees it. Couple other posters on here from the area agree with me, the club does very little out here. Kids clinics mostly

Mate, they stepped in to help support the junior league for one thing. They are in the process of strengthening the pathways. The elite programs are linked directly to the club. What you said is just completely wrong. Could they do more? Yes most definitely but to say if they abandon the area all that would be lost is 3 NRL games is a fabrication.

How longs it taken them to start fixing the pathways? It's been shambles for a decade or more. I'm yet to see any difference with them either.

Regardless, I wasn't talking about a pathways point of view for juniors, I was talking about fan interaction with the club in the region. Should've worded it better, that's my bad.

The junior league was ran into the ground and our pathways were destroyed post the "big 3" leaving when we decided to buy our players instead of paying for potential because they left anyway.

It wasn't until Madge arrived that we started to pay attention to our pathways again. That is why we have both Palmer and Farah working in roles that involve mentoring and training of players, coaches and trainers in our pathways system. Just because you can't see it doesn’t mean there isn't stuff occurring.

There's stuff occurring but until it gets down to the junior level nothing has changed from my point of view. Once they start keeping the best local talent and winning some games at magpies I'll be happy. I'm glad they're trying to fix it and I'm keen to see how their junior teams go this season. Haven't been more interested in our SG ball and jersey Flegg for a long time.

Hopefully they get a full season in after the disruption of last year.

Is there a draw out for jersey Flegg and reserve grade yet? I guess not considering PVL wants all three games on the same day

 

[Rugba]

There were no knights fans in Newcastle in 87 or Broncos fans in brisbane either. Wests have been in Campbo longer than those two teams have existed but due to massive mismagment havn't engaged the community. In 34 years!!!!
And it continues......

That's because the community didn't want to be engaged.

It is a dud area for the Wests Tigers as it was for the Magpies.

The good thing is that Souffs will find that out the hard way.

Well it's about time we cuts ties with the area. Wht are we wasting time and resources there?

There are fans here lol.... not that we get anything anyway. Tigers could cut ties and there'd be no difference besides 3 Campbelltown games.

That is complete rubbish.

Well I'm not the only one who sees it. Couple other posters on here from the area agree with me, the club does very little out here. Kids clinics mostly

I would probably add that it’s obvious to fans and non fans that the west tigers haven’t really cared for the MacArthur region which the media has not helped either .

Every time game at Leichhardt the promotion by club and media is huge , the manner that the players talk about playing at Leichhardt , I think over the course of atleast the last decade Leichhardt has had the marque type of home games and Campbelltown the dud home matches .

Anyway it is what it is , but made sense first decade of mergers the split home grounds but now has become ridiculous, stick to ground and make it clear who your fan base is

 

[diedpretty]

Souths have signed a ground breaking partnership with Macarthur FC.

Wests Tigers are losing the region to Souths and even Penrith..... What is our strategy for our footprint??

https://www.rabbitohs.com.au/news/2021/01/29/ground-breaking-partnership-with-macarthur-fc/

Honestly, I don't know, but think we may be giving up out there. Wests Magpies Canterbury Cup team has moved from Campbelltown.

I definitely think club bosses see our future as being in the Inner-West. Our membership, crowd attendance and general support is much bigger in this locality. And with the centre of excellence coming at Concord I think this is the area our focus should be on.

It is definitely the inner-west, no doubt about it. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to step back and look where Wests Tigers have developed and it’s not Campbelltown.

exactly it is not like they built COE at campbletown
hope we can keep the Junior nursery going though and not let souths in dogs may be next


So you want your cake and you want to eat it too. The point is Souths are proactively engaging the community out there while we sit by and do nothing. It won't change much over the next year or two but they will just keep chipping away until they have a foothold in the area. They already play trials there and hold regular junior and school clinics in the area. Its not about moving lock stock and barrel to the area - its about maintaining strong ties with community and looking at ways to strenghten our hold on that nursery you talk about. People keep whingeing on here about doing what the "big" clubs do and then when one of those big clubs proactively moves in on our turf the same people say who cares it means nothing. It obviously means something to Souths.

We do all those things in the area plus play NRL games there, not just trials? We support the junior leagues out there and are developing and strengthening pathways, including putting highly experienced coaching staff in roles to mentor coaches, players and trainers. There are plans for an academy to be built in the area.

The area is not really engaging with the club, what is it that people want the club to do?

The people want the club to relocate to Campbelltown, that’s not going to happen.

I don't suggest relocation in the short term, but plant your roots early. Doesn't take much to hold an open training session once a week in the area, have players turn up every so often at junior games/training sessions. Be seen as attached to the area and be the club that juniors can relate to and want to join.

All the juniors play in a jersey with a Wests Tiger on it? The roots were planted in the area 30 years ago, It would be nice to see it start flowering at some point.


You don't get much fruit if you don't look after the orchard.

Or if plant it in poor soil to begin with.

Or if you run out of money and have to mooch off someone else.

 

[frullens]

Lee defends wests' commitment to Macarthur, but didn't give any specific examples

https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=786155

 

[Leck]

Lee defends wests' commitment to Macarthur, but didn't give any specific examples

https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=786155

No he didn’t but he mentioned South’s involvement is via their Souths Cares initiative.

Which is just a thinly veiled and sneaky community service project to drive more members.

What I can’t wait to see is WTs reclaiming the inner west, Ryde and the hills district with the new COE, and then fostering young talent across the entire south to north west corridor.

 

[Tiger5150]

Lee defends wests' commitment to Macarthur, but didn't give any specific examples

https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=786155

No he didn’t but he mentioned South’s involvement is via their Souths Cares initiative.

Which is just a thinly veiled and sneaky community service project to drive more members.

What I can’t wait to see is WTs reclaiming the inner west, Ryde and the hills district with the new COE, and then fostering young talent across the entire south to north west corridor.

Hills District has always been Parra.

 

[Leck]

Lee defends wests' commitment to Macarthur, but didn't give any specific examples

https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=786155

No he didn’t but he mentioned South’s involvement is via their Souths Cares initiative.

Which is just a thinly veiled and sneaky community service project to drive more members.

What I can’t wait to see is WTs reclaiming the inner west, Ryde and the hills district with the new COE, and then fostering young talent across the entire south to north west corridor.


Hills District has always been Parra.

There’s no reason we can’t stick our nose in the Hills like Souths are trying to in Macarthur

 

[Deleted member 3518]

There were no knights fans in Newcastle in 87 or Broncos fans in brisbane either. Wests have been in Campbo longer than those two teams have existed but due to massive mismagment havn't engaged the community. In 34 years!!!!
And it continues......

That's because the community didn't want to be engaged.

It is a dud area for the Wests Tigers as it was for the Magpies.

The good thing is that Souffs will find that out the hard way.

Well it's about time we cuts ties with the area. Wht are we wasting time and resources there?

Juniors . Talent pool is different to the business of the wests tigers . They’re 2 completely different things . Just as an aside does anyone wonder why other sports and counties don’t cater to one region. Even the new Brisbane bombers ceo if that gets off the ground , stated that it’s corporate suicide to target one specific region .
That region will never be an economic hub . It has and always will be a mish mash of people , cultures , ethnicities , social status etc. Rugby League has and always will be a sport that alienates the zeitgeist. Some will be knee deep in it , most probably will have some kind of feet dipped in it , but it doesn’t mean they will attend matches or let little Johnny play it. Most contact sports around the world have gone this way , as mothers learn about CTE and things like that .
MacArthur FC has a chance to engage the community , namely because outside of say Fairfield to parramatta for the wanderers and stgeorge , Sutherland for Sydney FC, there’s generally an untapped market who have no allegiance to any real Australian soccer teams . Especially considering that corridor everyone is talking about , are very much of the ethnic variety .
But they will watch NRL . They will have a tram they support around the water cooler , and NRL will dominate the zeitgeist. Just not the bums on seats . And Cambo just doesn’t and never will have the magic that Leichhardt does . And that’s what is needed that magic . In any sport . Anfield, old Trafford , Yankeee stadium , the stadium invokes just as much emotion as anything.
I get it’s hard for the old magpies supporters who spent many afternoon at the sports ground . My uncle took me to watch my first footy game there tigers vs the magpies , he was a Maggie’s supporter . But outside of the junior nursery , offering pathways to the nrl , and funding , seems to be the only way forward

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

how far does Parramatta region go to are they Kelly illegal and Hills bulls ?

 

[Tiger5150]

how far does Parramatta region go to are they Kelly illegal and Hills bulls ?

Kellyville and Hills Bulls are both Parramatta. Parra's COE (joke) is at Kellyville.