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Hasto on playing with Luke
Such a legend

![Screen Shot 2021-10-28 at 9.55.58 pm.png](/assets/uploads/files/1635418563345-screen-shot-2021-10-28-at-9.55.58-pm.png)

Don't worry ...I'm sure Luke can't wait for you take all the criticism that is coming

He's probably copped 50% of Brooks' criticism already.

- Not allowed to say he's a good person
- Posts on social media too much
- ESL is inferior and he's not up to NRL
- Too slow

All before he's got to pre-season.

Well if you want ..$1000 bet ...we can have the best 4 NRL sides play the best 4 ESL sides and see the scorelines ...seeing your backing the ESL you take them ...and I'll take the NRL sides ....

You left out his defence ......which is below ESL standards .....and he doesn't have that zip over the first 5 metres that an NRL half needs to pull defences apart ...teams will sit on his ball playing because he won't be quick enough to get on the outside of an NRL edge

Couldn't care less what he says on social media or if he is a good bloke Scotty Minto is a lovely bloke as well ...doesn't affect what he does on field ...and I haven't commented on that .....

Or you could let him put the jersey on first and see how he goes and if he fails miserably, criticise him then?

Same applies for those calling him to be captain. Think why some are skeptical is because we have seen these types of signings before and they never live up to the hype. He comes off as a poor man’s Josh Reynolds.

He shouldn't be captain unless and until he proves himself. Tamou/Mbye are two examples of why you don't give a guy the captaincy who is new to the club. In stating that we don't have many options do we.

It'd be funny if we made Brooksy captain.
 
@earl said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499316) said:
@gnr4life said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499225) said:
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@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499220) said:
@weststigerman said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499217) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499208) said:
@tiger_fanatic3 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499155) said:
Hasto on playing with Luke
Such a legend

![Screen Shot 2021-10-28 at 9.55.58 pm.png](/assets/uploads/files/1635418563345-screen-shot-2021-10-28-at-9.55.58-pm.png)

Don't worry ...I'm sure Luke can't wait for you take all the criticism that is coming

He's probably copped 50% of Brooks' criticism already.

- Not allowed to say he's a good person
- Posts on social media too much
- ESL is inferior and he's not up to NRL
- Too slow

All before he's got to pre-season.

Well if you want ..$1000 bet ...we can have the best 4 NRL sides play the best 4 ESL sides and see the scorelines ...seeing your backing the ESL you take them ...and I'll take the NRL sides ....

You left out his defence ......which is below ESL standards .....and he doesn't have that zip over the first 5 metres that an NRL half needs to pull defences apart ...teams will sit on his ball playing because he won't be quick enough to get on the outside of an NRL edge

Couldn't care less what he says on social media or if he is a good bloke Scotty Minto is a lovely bloke as well ...doesn't affect what he does on field ...and I haven't commented on that .....

Or you could let him put the jersey on first and see how he goes and if he fails miserably, criticise him then?

Same applies for those calling him to be captain. Think why some are skeptical is because we have seen these types of signings before and they never live up to the hype. He comes off as a poor man’s Josh Reynolds.

He shouldn't be captain unless and until he proves himself. Tamou/Mbye are two examples of why you don't give a guy the captaincy who is new to the club. In stating that we don't have many options do we.

It'd be funny if we made Brooksy captain.


It will be Tamou. Not sure why it’s even a disussion.
 
@weststigerman said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499258) said:
@batboy said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499247) said:
@weststigerman said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499222) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499220) said:
@weststigerman said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499217) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499208) said:
@tiger_fanatic3 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499155) said:
Hasto on playing with Luke
Such a legend

![Screen Shot 2021-10-28 at 9.55.58 pm.png](/assets/uploads/files/1635418563345-screen-shot-2021-10-28-at-9.55.58-pm.png)

Don't worry ...I'm sure Luke can't wait for you take all the criticism that is coming

He's probably copped 50% of Brooks' criticism already.

- Not allowed to say he's a good person
- Posts on social media too much
- ESL is inferior and he's not up to NRL
- Too slow

All before he's got to pre-season.

Well if you want ..$1000 bet ...we can have the best 4 NRL sides play the best 4 ESL sides and see the scorelines ...seeing your backing the ESL you take them ...and I'll take the NRL sides ....

You left out his defence ......which is below ESL standards .....and he doesn't have that zip over the first 5 metres that an NRL half needs to pull defences apart ...teams will sit on his ball playing because he won't be quick enough to get on the outside of an NRL edge

Couldn't care less what he says on social media or if he is a good bloke Scotty Minto is a lovely bloke as well ...doesn't affect what he does on field ...and I haven't commented on that .....

Or you could let him put the jersey on first and see how he goes and if he fails miserably, criticise him then?

Why? If we were signing Ash Taylor or Anthony Milford would we not be entitled to an opinion?
He's been around well long enough for anyone to express an opinion on him.
Seriously though... He's been touted on here as some kind of saviour - The second coming if you will?

Why - How?
He's done nothing, And most of the opinions I see offered are in direct response to someone clapping him along like he's going to turn a team full of no ones around because it's all Luke Brooks fault they're rubbish.....
Blows my mind...

Who has touted him as a saviour? Some are hopeful he can cement a spot in the halves particularly while AD is injured.

I want him to be our saviour. Who else is it going to be ? We need Hastings to be a weapon. In all seriousness I'm expecting him to be one of out top 3 players last next season.
 
@gnr4life said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499317) said:
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@gnr4life said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499225) said:
@weststigerman said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499222) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499220) said:
@weststigerman said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499217) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499208) said:
@tiger_fanatic3 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499155) said:
Hasto on playing with Luke
Such a legend

![Screen Shot 2021-10-28 at 9.55.58 pm.png](/assets/uploads/files/1635418563345-screen-shot-2021-10-28-at-9.55.58-pm.png)

Don't worry ...I'm sure Luke can't wait for you take all the criticism that is coming

He's probably copped 50% of Brooks' criticism already.

- Not allowed to say he's a good person
- Posts on social media too much
- ESL is inferior and he's not up to NRL
- Too slow

All before he's got to pre-season.

Well if you want ..$1000 bet ...we can have the best 4 NRL sides play the best 4 ESL sides and see the scorelines ...seeing your backing the ESL you take them ...and I'll take the NRL sides ....

You left out his defence ......which is below ESL standards .....and he doesn't have that zip over the first 5 metres that an NRL half needs to pull defences apart ...teams will sit on his ball playing because he won't be quick enough to get on the outside of an NRL edge

Couldn't care less what he says on social media or if he is a good bloke Scotty Minto is a lovely bloke as well ...doesn't affect what he does on field ...and I haven't commented on that .....

Or you could let him put the jersey on first and see how he goes and if he fails miserably, criticise him then?

Same applies for those calling him to be captain. Think why some are skeptical is because we have seen these types of signings before and they never live up to the hype. He comes off as a poor man’s Josh Reynolds.

He shouldn't be captain unless and until he proves himself. Tamou/Mbye are two examples of why you don't give a guy the captaincy who is new to the club. In stating that we don't have many options do we.

It'd be funny if we made Brooksy captain.


It will be Tamou. Not sure why it’s even a disussion.

Tamou barely makes our team. He isn't a good option for captain because you may have to drop him.
 
Brooks, "via his agent approaching other clubs" says it all IMO. Certainly the Player Agent has nothing to gain if Brooks leaves Tigers lolol (kickbacks surely don't exist hahaha). As it stands Tigers have enough problems making significant signings and as I understand cap compliant with room to move, so no need to cut him loose even though his form was down. Has shown loyalty to Tigers when others have not. Also no need to help opposition clubs unless it benefits us too.
 
I would hardly classify it as loyalty when no-one else wants him at an absurd price. We're paying him 3-4x what he's worth.

I also wouldn't call dumping his contract off to another club giving them a benefit. If they're stupid enough to sign him, by all means we should do all we can to help facilitate it.
 
@tigertime-0 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499335) said:
Brooks, "via his agent approaching other clubs" says it all IMO. Certainly the Player Agent has nothing to gain if Brooks leaves Tigers lolol (kickbacks surely don't exist hahaha). As it stands Tigers have enough problems making significant signings and as I understand cap compliant with room to move, so no need to cut him loose even though his form was down. Has shown loyalty to Tigers when others have not. Also no need to help opposition clubs unless it benefits us too.

How is having his management sniff around for a deal behind the club's back showing loyalty? It's the exact opposite of loyalty
 
@camel2281 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499343) said:
@tigertime-0 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499335) said:
Brooks, "via his agent approaching other clubs" says it all IMO. Certainly the Player Agent has nothing to gain if Brooks leaves Tigers lolol (kickbacks surely don't exist hahaha). As it stands Tigers have enough problems making significant signings and as I understand cap compliant with room to move, so no need to cut him loose even though his form was down. Has shown loyalty to Tigers when others have not. Also no need to help opposition clubs unless it benefits us too.

How is having his management sniff around for a deal behind the club's back showing loyalty? It's the exact opposite of loyalty

Shock, but generally speaking some agents don't work in their clients best interests.
 
@tony-soprano said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499349) said:
@camel2281 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499343) said:
@tigertime-0 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499335) said:
Brooks, "via his agent approaching other clubs" says it all IMO. Certainly the Player Agent has nothing to gain if Brooks leaves Tigers lolol (kickbacks surely don't exist hahaha). As it stands Tigers have enough problems making significant signings and as I understand cap compliant with room to move, so no need to cut him loose even though his form was down. Has shown loyalty to Tigers when others have not. Also no need to help opposition clubs unless it benefits us too.

How is having his management sniff around for a deal behind the club's back showing loyalty? It's the exact opposite of loyalty

Shock, but generally speaking some agents don't work in their clients best interests.


Agents work for their own best interests always and occasionaly it coincides with the players best interest by accident
 
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@tigertime-0 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499335) said:
Brooks, "via his agent approaching other clubs" says it all IMO. Certainly the Player Agent has nothing to gain if Brooks leaves Tigers lolol (kickbacks surely don't exist hahaha). As it stands Tigers have enough problems making significant signings and as I understand cap compliant with room to move, so no need to cut him loose even though his form was down. Has shown loyalty to Tigers when others have not. Also no need to help opposition clubs unless it benefits us too.

How is having his management sniff around for a deal behind the club's back showing loyalty? It's the exact opposite of loyalty

Shock, but generally speaking some agents don't work in their clients best interests.

You don't mean a club wanting a player would be prepared to pay an agent to get that agent's player to their club?
 
@viking-warrior said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499439) said:
Don't think I can go another season watching balls kicked into legs crap bombs and back rowers copping hospital passes. This bloke needs to go

Lol I hear you.
It’s actually quite the trick to be so poor at kicking when he practices every day.
 
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More matches without a finals appearance than any player in history. Says it all really


That is far more likely on the club not the player.Brooks is not an ideal 7 but our failures are a combined CLUB/PLAYER failure not just him.

I never said they were solely on him. But he is an endemic part of the problem and the club persisting with him no matter how poorly he's performing sets a standard in the organisation that poor performance has no consequences. Instead he gets extension on contracts and is made the club's top earner. Moving Brooks on is a statement from the club saying that they want things to change. They want a different culture and they are going in a different direction.


Here is something to think about!

**Would you prefer Brooks or Adam Reynolds in your team**

Brooks and Adam Reynolds 2021 stats

Brooks Age 26 Reynolds Age 31
Brooks 2021 24 games Reynolds 25 games
Brooks Avg run 97m Reynolds 67m
Brooks Tackle efficiency 85.7 Reynolds 89.3
Brooks Line drop outs forced 13 Reynolds 9
Brooks Try assists 16 Reynolds 7
Brooks Line Breaks 10 Reynolds 10
Brooks Off Loads 25 Reynolds 9
Brooks Tackles made 456 Reynolds 359

Brooks Total all games 163 Reynolds 231
Brooks Total all tries 40 Reynolds 38

These are all NRL stats

In summary

Brooks gets more than double try assists
Forces more line drop outs
Runs more meters
Makes more tackles
And has more than 3 times more offloads

Ok he is not a leader but looking at the stats he is far better than Adam Reynolds
Not as good as Cleary, Hughes of DCE - but our team is no where as strong as theirs
BTW I am not Brooks "Fan Boy" but I do look at the stats in a non objective way

Context is king, without it stats are meaningless. I’d have Reynolds over Brooks every time. Reynolds knows how to win a game.

I’ll take Brooks over Reynolds.
The difference in the two halves is in the team’s they have. Not necessarily because of their quality, although it does have an effect, but because of stability and the bond of commonality. Before the whistle you need to look your teammates in the eye, the same as you do after full time.
Our boys change every week. Every week there’s a new kid to come and learn on your time.
Let’s see hoe Reynolds goes in 22 shall we?

Brooks problem isn’t skill, he just has no killer instinct, and thats got nothing to do with his teammates. Do you think Brooks makes that 2 point field goal Reynolds kicked against us? Not in a million years.

All good halfbacks can step up when it’s needed. Brooks doesn’t have that attribute.

Like I said in my last post though, he is not alone. There are at least 6 other halfbacks who couldn’t do what Reynolds does either. That isn’t a failing on Brooks. It just shows how good Reynolds is. FYI, I don’t think he will change the Broncos that dramatically. They still look pretty weak across the park. Outside or him, their spine sucks. So he’s going to be put to the test.

Against South's last year , do you think Reynolds could of done what brooks did, pick up the loose ball and run 100 metres to score a try, to win a game, and is still its debatable whether Burgess did get that ball down. Its not the first time Brooks has done something like this.

He would have been better off taking the tackle. It was ruled no try on field, was only called back for review because he scored.

That was the game against Warriors , but like i said he done this many times, its something that Reynolds would be incapable of.

Why would Reynolds be incapable of running the length when no one is chasing?


And kicking for repeat sets, kicking 40 20’s, 2 point field goals, setting up attacking raids, putting players through gaps, captaining a side to victory in finals series…these are things Brooks is incapable of.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxjF66OYbX0

I see what you're saying, 7 try assists in 8 years.
I don't hate Brooks but he's not a halfback. If Hastings is everything he's cracked up to be, Brooks could turn out to be the best 5/8 ever. The bloke can run, defend, compete in the backline. He just needs someone to set him up. I don't want him gone, I hope he absolutely kills it next year and I think he's very capable of doing that, just in the correct position.
 
Adam Reynolds in 2021 - 9 Forced Drop Outs, Kicked Dead - 8, Kick Errors - 14, Try Assists- 14, Line Breaks -2 , Effective Offloads - 8, Run meters - 616, Line Engaged-265, General Play Passes -467

Luke Brooks 2021- 12 forced drop outs, Kicked Dead - 3 , Kick Errors - 7, Try Assists - 23, Line Breaks - 5, Effective Offloads - 23, Run meters - 1378 (2nd for HBs in comp), Line Engaged -354 (1st for HBs), General Play Passes-846 (1st for HBs)
 
Those numbers good or bad? If good can’t be possible. All I read here is LB not a half back? Adam Reynolds a mediocre halfback, not? Confused? Either the numbers are bad or they are far from accurate? Am being convinced by the football experts here that Brooks is crap. And obviously I don’t agree. We have massive issues in the back row and centres. But tbh I have no idea. Would like to compare the stats with what we perceive is a high quality HB in the NRL 2021. But please no BS numbers.
 
@boonboon said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499475) said:
Adam Reynolds in 2021 - 9 Forced Drop Outs, Kicked Dead - 8, Kick Errors - 14, Try Assists- 14, Line Breaks -2 , Effective Offloads - 8, Run meters - 616, Line Engaged-265, General Play Passes -467

Luke Brooks 2021- 12 forced drop outs, Kicked Dead - 3 , Kick Errors - 7, Try Assists - 23, Line Breaks - 5, Effective Offloads - 23, Run meters - 1378 (2nd for HBs in comp), Line Engaged -354 (1st for HBs), General Play Passes-846 (1st for HBs)

Reynolds knows how to win a game, Brooks doesn’t.
 
Brooks racks up the stats like Woodsy used to.
Eventually the majority came around to the fact that Aaron’s padded stats did not win us games of football.
Taking a lot longer for some to do likewise with Luke but I have faith in their abilities to understand what is presented to them very clearly on a weekly basis.
 
He should be working on his 'Spiral Pass" all off-season.

Would make it much easier for Bwooksie to hit all the tall players on da team...
 
One thing that surprised me late in the season with Brooks was that he actually has a very good spiral bomb which I think he used twice, resulting in two dropped catches from memory. Wish he used that more often as his kicking game is so predictable.
 
@willow said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1499507) said:
One thing that surprised me late in the season with Brooks was that he actually has a very good spiral bomb which I think he used twice, resulting in two dropped catches from memory. Wish he used that more often as his kicking game is so predictable.

That nothing bomb he kicks over and over again with no real height on it annoys me. Hopefully Madge sees some sense and moves him on as if he doesn't get results he is gone.
 
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