Has there ever been a player given so many excuses for under performing as Brooks?
He's got talent but obviously not much nous.
Keep taking the wrong options this year and he'll be saying goodbye.
Looks like we might finally have a younger halfback to put some pressure on him.
The excuses just keep rolling in it seems.
It Grants service
It's Benji
It's our forwards
It's the game plan
It's the coach
It's the bus driver
It's his mum not putting enough Vegemite on his toast
It's the weather
It's the culture
It's Mabo
It's the serenity
It's Brooks life matters
It's covid
It's the price of Bananas after a cyclone
It's the colour of his boots
It's the ball
It's the refs
It's the vibe
It's the media putting big wraps on him too early
It's his carspot at training
It's single mums
It's the phase of the moon
It's Demons
It's the Devil
3 try assists,
C'mon Lukey boy you can do better mate.
Is there a halfback under more pressure in 2021?
You are not the only fan disappointed with how his career has gone. But please be more reasonable in your assessment.
Can you name one halfback who would've been competent in taking this team to the finals over the last 7 years? Or capable of making us a Top 4 quality team in the same period? A halfback good enough to elevate this whole team?
Because I'm not sure if I'm following you correctly and it sounds like you think Brooks is a big failure for not successfully doing this by now.
That would've been a complete miracle, considering the sole responsibility doesn't fall on one player but rather how the team is made up and plays as a unit. The most ever-changing one in the NRL, at that. With the coaching instability to go with it.
Fair enough you feel a certain way and think he's unable to lead the team to glory but some of your points relate to factors which are not of Luke's account and exclude the biggest reason or highest contributing factors on why teams are excelling. (They have had dominant forward packs, well established combinations with their spine players, great strike players etc., etc.).
I believe the last time we had a team that closely resembled this was in 2010 and 2011.
So, it's any wonder the trajectory of his development and career has gone so wayward given the inconsistency has always been at foundation level.
Honestly don't see how any player in his position could've thrived in this environment. I otherwise couldn't agree more you though, that last year should be the biggest wake up call for him.
Did you see the stats of the halfbacks of the teams that finished below us last year?
Not to be rude but could you please stop talking in riddles?!?
There's absolutely no benefit to it, as it only means topics will continue to go around in circles.
Luke absolutely sucked in 2020. We've covered this - time and time again.
Same goes with discussions on his development.
To answer your question though, the answer is no. Why relive something that adds nothing new to the conversation?
Fans are probably 50/50 on Brooks. So it's not like your thoughts or feelings are that ground breaking either.
The Harry and Liddle comparisons are also getting a little annoying.
Harry's a gun but stop acting like the system he's at and its culture isn't vital to shaping his talent development or trajectory of his career.
Being part of an elite breeding ground will always Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon a club treading above water and criticising players for their injury history is just plain stupid IMO.
Even more so, start having some faith in the club. Though our expectations are mostly hypothetical at this point, things are run a lot differently now and it's only a matter of time when this will reflect on the field.
The lack of objectivity drives me crazy more than anything . I don’t care which side of the fence you sit , but to downright make comments like “he hasn’t played well the last couple of years “ is absolute dog crap . He won our player of the year in 2019 . And Happy saying he hasn’t played well for 8 years . Makes me think those people are either dumb as , or subscribing to the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon way of debating . Just pretend anything that undermines your point never happens and it’s all fake news .
heard it all now ......im saying if Brook doesnt fire this season he needs to go ....and now im a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporter ......you really cant stand people taking a contrary opinion to yours
@happy_tiger said in Luke Brooks said:
I don’t know about anyone else …but if I failed in my job for 7/8 years running and had one good year …I am looking for a new
So that wasn’t you ? . Once again your doing exactly what my point was . Just make stuff up , to deflect from the fact , and deny ever actually saying stuff , that undermines your position.
? Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon playbook. I didn’t say supporter just the tactic .
We don't make the 8 ...he is the top line playmaker ...hey has to own it ...and funnily does own it in pressers he does ...but you don't ??
What are you talking about ? I’m talking about you , not brooks .
If brooks plays like a busted , especially with madden waiting in the wings , of course he should be replaced . But I literally rewatched 4 games today . Rounds 17-20 last year , because I wanted to see what was real or not . And brooks in all 4 games was one of our best . But he didn’t get the try asisots so . He sux . If I was using advanced metrics , I would devise a stat for points scored down a side , or points initiated . Because the way our systems work , brooks set up a lot of half chances or cutout balls to Mbye or AD or a centre to put the wing away. Maybe not the games before those rounds . I didn’t go back and watch to be honest , but those 4 games , whilst he only had I think 2 try assists , the expansion of play , and his desire to put his backs in a position to do thier thing was obvious . Benji got all the try assists , yet drifted into his centres space so much , and almost literally took the try assists away form Mbye and AD , talau and Joey . Go watch . I’m not making this up .
Brooks needs to get his try assists up in one way alone . Kicks . His kicking game near the line was anus , and a big contributor to his drop in try assists .
why are you talking about me .....am I playing in the 6 jersey
Your stretching mate .....none of the games you mentioned stood out to anyone here ...2020 is history
and will say for the 100th time if Brooks fails in 2021 he has to go
I’m stretching ? You know who the dumbest people on earth are ?
It’s not the people who are simple and know that. It’s The ones who think they’re the smartest , and have no doubt . I have serious doubts as to what I’m right and wrong about , and as such go back to see with a more open eye whenever I can, as when I watched it the first time or read it , or listened to it, I was watching with my heart as much as my head . I’m literally telling you I watched 5 hrs and 20 mins of footy today , and you say I’m stretching , when I offer an informed opinion based on facts . Once again I say , you’re more interested in winning some make believe straw man arguement than having an educated conversation. And honestly , I’ve lost respect in you happy . I thought you were smarter than that . But you’ve totally misread my last 5 posts , or disregarded them , or not understood them . Either way , I don’t respect your opinion , and I’m not interested in reading it anymore .
Not because I disagree , but because you are unwilling to look at things objectively , which means your opinion is an uneducated one .
Funniest thing I have read.
Post after post telling everyone that Brooks is so wonderful and has continually been let down by his dud teammates and you are accusing someone else of not being objective when they don’t agree.
I’m not ! Lol I’m saying admit simple facts . That’s it . Hard all, apparently that’s the forum equivalent of asking to admit the world is round . For some reason an impossible task . Whether you agree or not is irrelevant . Just admit truths.
Truth number 1 - he was dally m halfback of the year in 2018
Truth number 2 - he was our player of the year in 2019.
Truth number 3 - whilst being extremely poor most of last year , he was very good rounds 17-20.
Truth number 4 - he has not been a passenger prior to 2018 . He was woefully and frustratingly inconsistent, but not “bad at his job for 8 years” .
Thats what I’m railing against . That none of you haters will admit those 4 truths . And it’s unbelievably frustrating to read . And makes me think if we can’t agree to truths over something so pointless as to facts about a random footy player , this world doomed with big issues .
Whether you think he’s crap is Fine ! For the 100th time . Just don’t make crap up that is true. Stop conveniently leaving out facts you know are true to prove a point .
The fact you can’t understand that , does my head in . I literally laid it out and your dumb ass comes straight back with “you don’t like when people disagree with you” lol . Proving my whole point . And you don’t even realise it ! Lol
Only 2 of those are facts.
A true fact of this conversation is that it doesnt matter how much talent or ability you have individually, an NRL team must have players within it with the same percieved ability and talent so it works as a unit when coach puts gameplans and structures in place...to often have we seen our team with individual brilliance in half the team,only to be let down by the remaining players not being on the same page or not being gifted enough to either follow the plans or not good enough to be in the team,thats been the WTs for the last 8/9 years with chopping and changing the roster and coaches to frequently ....now hopefully we have the professional people in coaching,recruitment etc to finally give us stability and a shot at the finals and title in not to distant future...
I have said many times its to easy to blame players coaches etc if we havent walked a mile in their shoes,we however should really be really excited for this year as it appears we will be able to see nearly all the team supporting and playing for each other while the young guns develop and forge a career with us...
Couldn't disagree more.
No worries cochise,we cant all have the same opinion..this just happens to be mine...
Mate, no side has ever won anything in the salary cap era with a side all the same ability. You need the superstar players to make a difference. Munster for example would transform our team.
And this is what we exactly need to be aiming to do ...getting the best player in their position ...particularly the crucial positions ...and build a side around them
People keep getting excited about the 2 million plus extra we will have in the kitty next season .....if we don't get a Top 2 player in their position ..it has been wasted ..and it will probably only get one Top 2 player in his position .....One top 5 player in his position and maybe one Top 8 player in his position ...especially when we will have to top up a few contracts of any juniors who might step up
But who are those players happy ? For me , I’d go after Staggs . I think he’s that good . We can work on his defence . But outside of him , who else ? I honestly think there’s only like 5 players worth that kind of money who can move the needle , just by turning up.
Lattrell . In hindsight we messed this one up . We should have realised he’s a follower , and not sold him on making a legacy and being a leader . We made a bad pitch IMO.
Munster - goes without saying .
Hodgson - has turned a bog average raiders side into a winning team.
Luke Keary ? I guess ? Ponga ? Tedesco ? Wighton ?
And that’s about it. The panthers are the sum of all parts IMO. Above average at every position , which makes you elite.
And half of those guys , had huge question marks when they made grade . I like our current plan of buying elite juniors . It’s what the storm do , it’s what the roosters really do. It’s a better plan . Because I can’t see us getting any of those players mentioned .
