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What's becoming more obvious to me is that by not being good he's actually a big liability. Sending our forwards straight into the opposition without a dummy or without taking on the line a bit tires them out. I was going to come on and say he is bad until I saw Mbye play....Mbye is stunningly woeful.
 
Jesus it’s amazing how someone can have so many people bashing him after a solid game. Try assists, forced drop outs, very strong defence and still be bashed in a team that won. The bloke is even 2nd in try assists for the whole comp. I agree he can be better, but the fact he is 2nd for try assists in a team that’s coming 13 shows he isn’t the problem. You lot wanna bag him out like he was the only player that didn’t have a perfect game.

We win more games and I’m sure he’ll get better.
 
@pawsandclaws1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352770) said:
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@pawsandclaws1 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352745) said:
Without Brooks we don't win today. What was it four or five try scoring opportunities he set up.

Dunno ?‍♂️
Your telling the story ..
I’d say 1

The story tells itself. Without him we don't win.

Big call saying without him today we don't win. He impeded so many plays as he does often. His defence was good but no half back in the game suffocates the attack like LB does.
 
@tigerblood93 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353194) said:
Jesus it’s amazing how someone can have so many people bashing him after a solid game. Try assists, forced drop outs, very strong defence and still be bashed in a team that won. The bloke is even 2nd in try assists for the whole comp. I agree he can be better, but the fact he is 2nd for try assists in a team that’s coming 13 shows he isn’t the problem. You lot wanna bag him out like he was the only player that didn’t have a perfect game.

We win more games and I’m sure he’ll get better.

It's been 8 years we shouldn't have to wait for him to get better anymore 😂 Doueihi has been better this yesr and he's played like 10 games as a 5/8
 
@jc99 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353217) said:
@tigerblood93 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353194) said:
Jesus it’s amazing how someone can have so many people bashing him after a solid game. Try assists, forced drop outs, very strong defence and still be bashed in a team that won. The bloke is even 2nd in try assists for the whole comp. I agree he can be better, but the fact he is 2nd for try assists in a team that’s coming 13 shows he isn’t the problem. You lot wanna bag him out like he was the only player that didn’t have a perfect game.

We win more games and I’m sure he’ll get better.

It's been 8 years we shouldn't have to wait for him to get better anymore ? Doueihi has been better this yesr and he's played like 10 games as a 5/8

Exactly. The bloke earns damn good money and we accept 'he was solid today' or a '6.5 out if 10' for his performance. The bloke did about 4 or 5 good kicks yesterday and they were probably his best in a long time. Its still not good enough and we were lucky we played an underperfoming dragons team. I give Simpkin the benefit of the doubt yesterday because its his 2nd game. Brooks has had long enough to prove himself. Just do it Luke, grow a set and have a go, I want you to succeed mate.
 
@tcat said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353219) said:
@jc99 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353217) said:
@tigerblood93 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353194) said:
Jesus it’s amazing how someone can have so many people bashing him after a solid game. Try assists, forced drop outs, very strong defence and still be bashed in a team that won. The bloke is even 2nd in try assists for the whole comp. I agree he can be better, but the fact he is 2nd for try assists in a team that’s coming 13 shows he isn’t the problem. You lot wanna bag him out like he was the only player that didn’t have a perfect game.

We win more games and I’m sure he’ll get better.

It's been 8 years we shouldn't have to wait for him to get better anymore ? Doueihi has been better this yesr and he's played like 10 games as a 5/8

Exactly. The bloke earns damn good money and we accept 'he was solid today' or a '6.5 out if 10' for his performance. The bloke did about 4 or 5 good kicks yesterday and they were probably his best in a long time. Its still not good enough and we were lucky we played an underperfoming dragons team. I give Simpkin the benefit of the doubt yesterday because its his 2nd game. Brooks has had long enough to prove himself. Just do it Luke, grow a set and have a go, I want you to succeed mate.

People are too used to Brooks. In the actual good teams their halfbacks are always playing 8/10 but people are happy for Brooks to just be okay most times he plays. I hope he starts putting it all together
 
@tcat said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353219) said:
@jc99 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353217) said:
@tigerblood93 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353194) said:
Jesus it’s amazing how someone can have so many people bashing him after a solid game. Try assists, forced drop outs, very strong defence and still be bashed in a team that won. The bloke is even 2nd in try assists for the whole comp. I agree he can be better, but the fact he is 2nd for try assists in a team that’s coming 13 shows he isn’t the problem. You lot wanna bag him out like he was the only player that didn’t have a perfect game.

We win more games and I’m sure he’ll get better.

It's been 8 years we shouldn't have to wait for him to get better anymore ? Doueihi has been better this yesr and he's played like 10 games as a 5/8

Exactly. The bloke earns damn good money and we accept 'he was solid today' or a '6.5 out if 10' for his performance. The bloke did about 4 or 5 good kicks yesterday and they were probably his best in a long time. Its still not good enough and we were lucky we played an underperfoming dragons team. I give Simpkin the benefit of the doubt yesterday because its his 2nd game. Brooks has had long enough to prove himself. Just do it Luke, grow a set and have a go, I want you to suc**ceed** mate.

Brooks is listening but he must have a hearing problem because he can't hear the second part of that word




Yes it has been 8 long years
And I saw many long kicks go straight down the throat of defending players
He must do better in the kicking department
His tackling was fantastic yesterday especially late in the game to cause a mistake from a big man
But his pass selection is very ordinary
It looks like he is going through the motions sometimes
I would like to see him create something with his passing game
A long cut out pass or a great short ball, but just mix it up and keep the opposition guessing
Because we are to easy to read
 
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@mike said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352699) said:
Seriously what do we do with him. Defence is one of the best in the team. A couple of kicks today were spot on, some weren’t. His attacking options and performance is just very ordinary most of the time. He looks like he has lost speed, but that may just be the way he is playing. I would really like him to come good but what do you do.

I guess he has until the end of the year to turn it around and put in some good performances.

I just want him to stretch the opp D inside their 20...he just has never done it. Ennis and even Voss, who rarely criticises, repeatedly pointed it out today.

Laurie linked and created overlaps...AD took the line on and looked dangerous...

Brooksy just never does and all the stats back up his lack of creativity in the opp 20. He actually looks way better from broken field stuff 40-60 meters out.

Because he’s first receiver . Unless you’re hitting the under ball , it’s about engaging the line to create shape for your outside men .

The strong team's first receivers create way, way more...that is not a legitimate reason IMO.


The strong teams also have middle forwards that roll through and create space and time for their backs. Our forwards in the first half had trouble even getting to the advantage line.
 
@cairnstigers said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353226) said:
@tcat said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353219) said:
@jc99 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353217) said:
@tigerblood93 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353194) said:
Jesus it’s amazing how someone can have so many people bashing him after a solid game. Try assists, forced drop outs, very strong defence and still be bashed in a team that won. The bloke is even 2nd in try assists for the whole comp. I agree he can be better, but the fact he is 2nd for try assists in a team that’s coming 13 shows he isn’t the problem. You lot wanna bag him out like he was the only player that didn’t have a perfect game.

We win more games and I’m sure he’ll get better.

It's been 8 years we shouldn't have to wait for him to get better anymore ? Doueihi has been better this yesr and he's played like 10 games as a 5/8

Exactly. The bloke earns damn good money and we accept 'he was solid today' or a '6.5 out if 10' for his performance. The bloke did about 4 or 5 good kicks yesterday and they were probably his best in a long time. Its still not good enough and we were lucky we played an underperfoming dragons team. I give Simpkin the benefit of the doubt yesterday because its his 2nd game. Brooks has had long enough to prove himself. Just do it Luke, grow a set and have a go, I want you to suc**ceed** mate.

Brooks is listening but he must have a hearing problem because he can't hear the second part of that word




Yes it has been 8 long years
And I saw many long kicks go straight down the throat of defending players
He must do better in the kicking department
His tackling was fantastic yesterday especially late in the game to cause a mistake from a big man
But his pass selection is very ordinary
It looks like he is going through the motions sometimes
I would like to see him create something with his passing game
A long cut out pass or a great short ball, but just mix it up and keep the opposition guessing
Because we are to easy to read

Defensively Brooks is great. I cant fault him there.
 
@diedpretty said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353227) said:
@elleryhanley said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352793) said:
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352754) said:
@elleryhanley said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352741) said:
@mike said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352699) said:
Seriously what do we do with him. Defence is one of the best in the team. A couple of kicks today were spot on, some weren’t. His attacking options and performance is just very ordinary most of the time. He looks like he has lost speed, but that may just be the way he is playing. I would really like him to come good but what do you do.

I guess he has until the end of the year to turn it around and put in some good performances.

I just want him to stretch the opp D inside their 20...he just has never done it. Ennis and even Voss, who rarely criticises, repeatedly pointed it out today.

Laurie linked and created overlaps...AD took the line on and looked dangerous...

Brooksy just never does and all the stats back up his lack of creativity in the opp 20. He actually looks way better from broken field stuff 40-60 meters out.

Because he’s first receiver . Unless you’re hitting the under ball , it’s about engaging the line to create shape for your outside men .

The strong team's first receivers create way, way more...that is not a legitimate reason IMO.


The strong teams also have middle forwards that roll through and create space and time for their backs. Our forwards in the first half had trouble even getting to the advantage line.

Even watching the extended highlights there's so many times we have momentum close to the line and Brooks stuffed it. The only times we looked effective on that left edge is when Laurie became the play maker, he set up the cini try and Leilua try. Brooks should be giving more ball to Joey, so many times he just refused to do it.
 
@jc99 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353232) said:
@diedpretty said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353227) said:
@elleryhanley said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352793) said:
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352754) said:
@elleryhanley said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352741) said:
@mike said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352699) said:
Seriously what do we do with him. Defence is one of the best in the team. A couple of kicks today were spot on, some weren’t. His attacking options and performance is just very ordinary most of the time. He looks like he has lost speed, but that may just be the way he is playing. I would really like him to come good but what do you do.

I guess he has until the end of the year to turn it around and put in some good performances.

I just want him to stretch the opp D inside their 20...he just has never done it. Ennis and even Voss, who rarely criticises, repeatedly pointed it out today.

Laurie linked and created overlaps...AD took the line on and looked dangerous...

Brooksy just never does and all the stats back up his lack of creativity in the opp 20. He actually looks way better from broken field stuff 40-60 meters out.

Because he’s first receiver . Unless you’re hitting the under ball , it’s about engaging the line to create shape for your outside men .

The strong team's first receivers create way, way more...that is not a legitimate reason IMO.


The strong teams also have middle forwards that roll through and create space and time for their backs. Our forwards in the first half had trouble even getting to the advantage line.

Even watching the extended highlights there's so many times we have momentum close to the line and Brooks stuffed it. The only times we looked effective on that left edge is when Laurie became the play maker, he set up the cini try and Leilua try. Brooks should be giving more ball to Joey, so many times he just refused to do it.

I agree - he is playing with no confidence. He used to throw cutout passes and mixed it up with hitting the close runner ( although most times he hit them too hard with the pass). That play in the 2nd half 10 mtrs out on the left was terrible. He took the pass saw the players outside where marked so just turned around to go right and ran straight in to the defence. In the past he would have pinned his ears back and gone for the line or even put a grubber in for his outside men. But he did neither,
Its pretty simplistic to say Laurie setup those 2 tries. Both those tries were well worked plays using the first runner as decoy and Laurie wrapping around to create the overlap. The first was just a scrum play that Saints never really numbered up on and the second Brooks engaged the line dummied to the lead runner then went out the back to Laurie who straightened and made Bird stop for a fraction which gave BJ the space.In both those plays the backline was deep. We look so much better when we stand deep in attack.
 
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@elleryhanley said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352793) said:
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352754) said:
@elleryhanley said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352741) said:
@mike said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352699) said:
Seriously what do we do with him. Defence is one of the best in the team. A couple of kicks today were spot on, some weren’t. His attacking options and performance is just very ordinary most of the time. He looks like he has lost speed, but that may just be the way he is playing. I would really like him to come good but what do you do.

I guess he has until the end of the year to turn it around and put in some good performances.

I just want him to stretch the opp D inside their 20...he just has never done it. Ennis and even Voss, who rarely criticises, repeatedly pointed it out today.

Laurie linked and created overlaps...AD took the line on and looked dangerous...

Brooksy just never does and all the stats back up his lack of creativity in the opp 20. He actually looks way better from broken field stuff 40-60 meters out.

Because he’s first receiver . Unless you’re hitting the under ball , it’s about engaging the line to create shape for your outside men .

The strong team's first receivers create way, way more...that is not a legitimate reason IMO.


The strong teams also have middle forwards that roll through and create space and time for their backs. Our forwards in the first half had trouble even getting to the advantage line.

Even watching the extended highlights there's so many times we have momentum close to the line and Brooks stuffed it. The only times we looked effective on that left edge is when Laurie became the play maker, he set up the cini try and Leilua try. Brooks should be giving more ball to Joey, so many times he just refused to do it.

Great, so both our halves are giving no ball to the centres, and we wonder why they are underperforming?
 
@cultured_bogan said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353259) said:
@jc99 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353232) said:
@diedpretty said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353227) said:
@elleryhanley said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352793) said:
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352754) said:
@elleryhanley said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352741) said:
@mike said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352699) said:
Seriously what do we do with him. Defence is one of the best in the team. A couple of kicks today were spot on, some weren’t. His attacking options and performance is just very ordinary most of the time. He looks like he has lost speed, but that may just be the way he is playing. I would really like him to come good but what do you do.

I guess he has until the end of the year to turn it around and put in some good performances.

I just want him to stretch the opp D inside their 20...he just has never done it. Ennis and even Voss, who rarely criticises, repeatedly pointed it out today.

Laurie linked and created overlaps...AD took the line on and looked dangerous...

Brooksy just never does and all the stats back up his lack of creativity in the opp 20. He actually looks way better from broken field stuff 40-60 meters out.

Because he’s first receiver . Unless you’re hitting the under ball , it’s about engaging the line to create shape for your outside men .

The strong team's first receivers create way, way more...that is not a legitimate reason IMO.


The strong teams also have middle forwards that roll through and create space and time for their backs. Our forwards in the first half had trouble even getting to the advantage line.

Even watching the extended highlights there's so many times we have momentum close to the line and Brooks stuffed it. The only times we looked effective on that left edge is when Laurie became the play maker, he set up the cini try and Leilua try. Brooks should be giving more ball to Joey, so many times he just refused to do it.

Great, so both our halves are giving no ball to the centres, and we wonder why they are underperforming?

I thought Tommy got a decent amount of good ball yesterday. Quite often he was given room to have a crack at his opposing centre and nearly beat him quite a few times. He for sure got more good ball than Joey did
 
@jc99 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353262) said:
@cultured_bogan said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353259) said:
@jc99 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353232) said:
@diedpretty said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353227) said:
@elleryhanley said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352793) said:
@strongee said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352754) said:
@elleryhanley said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352741) said:
@mike said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1352699) said:
Seriously what do we do with him. Defence is one of the best in the team. A couple of kicks today were spot on, some weren’t. His attacking options and performance is just very ordinary most of the time. He looks like he has lost speed, but that may just be the way he is playing. I would really like him to come good but what do you do.

I guess he has until the end of the year to turn it around and put in some good performances.

I just want him to stretch the opp D inside their 20...he just has never done it. Ennis and even Voss, who rarely criticises, repeatedly pointed it out today.

Laurie linked and created overlaps...AD took the line on and looked dangerous...

Brooksy just never does and all the stats back up his lack of creativity in the opp 20. He actually looks way better from broken field stuff 40-60 meters out.

Because he’s first receiver . Unless you’re hitting the under ball , it’s about engaging the line to create shape for your outside men .

The strong team's first receivers create way, way more...that is not a legitimate reason IMO.


The strong teams also have middle forwards that roll through and create space and time for their backs. Our forwards in the first half had trouble even getting to the advantage line.

Even watching the extended highlights there's so many times we have momentum close to the line and Brooks stuffed it. The only times we looked effective on that left edge is when Laurie became the play maker, he set up the cini try and Leilua try. Brooks should be giving more ball to Joey, so many times he just refused to do it.

Great, so both our halves are giving no ball to the centres, and we wonder why they are underperforming?

I thought Tommy got a decent amount of good ball yesterday. Quite often he was given room to have a crack at his opposing centre and nearly beat him quite a few times. He for sure got more good ball than Joey did


it was better yesterday, but still not great. A step in the right direction though.

Laurie did look better than them both as a playmaker, but combinations will improve in time
 
@rah53 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353287) said:
Our whole backline aren't playing with enough depth. Not giving themselves the opportunity to wide.

Yeah we stand so flat in attack. Also hopefully the BJ try was a blue print to how he should be used, when he has that much time and space you’re not gonna stop him that close to the line
 
Come on guys..... he’s generally first receiver - so if he moves the ball quickly he is bagged for it and if he has a dig himself he is bagged for not getting the ball to his outside men quickly enough!
He is rubbished for not getting any restarts so when he does get a few it’s not enough. IMO he is defending strongly and supporting always.
Take a look at the times when he dies with the ball, most of these times he has absolutely no runners wanting the ball or doing anything at all- its a big problem with our attack, no bodies in motion at all. Brooks needs more support and when he gets it he will look much better.
 
@tigersj said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353325) said:
Come on guys..... he’s generally first receiver - so if he moves the ball quickly he is bagged for it and if he has a dig himself he is bagged for not getting the ball to his outside men quickly enough!
He is rubbished for not getting any restarts so when he does get a few it’s not enough. IMO he is defending strongly and supporting always.
Take a look at the times when he dies with the ball, most of these times he has absolutely no runners wanting the ball or doing anything at all- its a big problem with our attack, no bodies in motion at all. Brooks needs more support and when he gets it he will look much better.


That’s a fairly accurate assessment of the situation. I thought Brooks had a solid game. Tackled strongly, one on one with big forwards. Kicked well too, not every kick can be a game changer. He is one of the leading halfbacks in try assists this season, in a side which has won only 25% of games. This is a team with limited nrl experience and even less playing with each other.
 
@jc99 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353217) said:
@tigerblood93 said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353194) said:
Jesus it’s amazing how someone can have so many people bashing him after a solid game. Try assists, forced drop outs, very strong defence and still be bashed in a team that won. The bloke is even 2nd in try assists for the whole comp. I agree he can be better, but the fact he is 2nd for try assists in a team that’s coming 13 shows he isn’t the problem. You lot wanna bag him out like he was the only player that didn’t have a perfect game.

We win more games and I’m sure he’ll get better.

It's been 8 years we shouldn't have to wait for him to get better anymore ? Doueihi has been better this yesr and he's played like 10 games as a 5/8


8 years with 5 different coaches and different spines, that would stifle anyone. Not to mention playing in a team that’s been pumped most weeks, when I say he will get better, I mean confidence wise and the relo between our spine. Brooks does a lot of work that goes I Unnoticed. I’m happy for the doueihi to stand out. But remember it’s brooks with the higher try assists and tackle percentage.
 
@tigersj said in [Luke Brooks](/post/1353325) said:
Come on guys..... he’s generally first receiver - so if he moves the ball quickly he is bagged for it and if he has a dig himself he is bagged for not getting the ball to his outside men quickly enough!
He is rubbished for not getting any restarts so when he does get a few it’s not enough. IMO he is defending strongly and supporting always.
Take a look at the times when he dies with the ball, most of these times he has absolutely no runners wanting the ball or doing anything at all- its a big problem with our attack, no bodies in motion at all. Brooks needs more support and when he gets it he will look much better.

100% accurate!! I cannot believe the comments coming out about Laurie doing all the hard work setting up those two tries.. he was second receiver, brooks did his job and gave his fullback early ball to make something happen on the edge. Brooks at first receiver would have to run across field to give it to his edges which would give them no room to attack, hence a fullback or five eight being second receicer. Brooks didn’t overplay his job. That’s what a good halfback does. Also agree with players not running lines and giving him options.
 
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