Luke Brooks

[KevB]

I'm a person that has often noted the poor performance culture at the club as justification for Luke's poor development. While I haven't specifically blamed Benji or Robbie as the main cause for disruption, I do however believe that the club's previous organisational incompetence, quality of the team and frequent instability are major factors.
I can recognise that he's got some deficiencies  and poor leadership qualities including a lack of valour. Yet I believe he can turn things around given he can work on the mental, physical, tactical and technical elements of his game.

We all obviously don't see eye to eye on that and it's understandable but no offence my(or anyone else) applying this reasoning isn't to make excuses. In fact, they both mean completely different things.
When the Brooks supporters on here, myself included, stand by these reasons to why he's unable to produce certain traits/plays (being vocal, his kicks and try assists the most common) it isn't to be combative at all but we're simply applying some logic to why he's undeveloped in these areas.
In all team sports, an individual's growth is dependent on the coaching and team around him too. So at present not only would he be working on building on his own skills and other new ones, but he'd also be learning how to modify his game to serve or suit the needs of another newly formed team.

I'd say the only concern is his confidence and if he can take accountability of it he'd be in more control of everything.

Seriously Luke Brookes has played over 150 NRL games and you assert he "LACKS VALOUR" my understanding of word valour means courage. With respect Lauren if you believe anyone who has played 150 games of NRL lacks courage you havE no idea what it takes to play at this level.

I would never ever associate that word with the physical aspect of rugby league.
If you can understand that the outline of my post is relating the culture of the club and it's impact on Luke's development (especially the ongoing psychological challenges he's faced), and read that particular passage, you'd see this word has only been used only in regards to his leadership skills and ability.
( FYI I don't even think he's been bad at all and think he's made some changes in the way he responds in games)
I specifically meant, the courage to do whatever it takes to be the best and expect the same from those around him. To be relentless in pursuit of this and always strive to deliver the best results.
The only reason I even said it in the first place, is because it's obvious he has some confidence issues and his self-belief has sometimes appeared (that's obviously only my opinion though) to be shot and I'd like to see him overcome it.

I am honestly one of the last persons you'd hear say something to that degree about Luke. I actually literally tried to report a comment(just the other day) on the forum which suggested one of our other players smash or hurt him.

With respect Lauren lack of valour or courage has nothing to do with confidence. Courage is UNCONDITIONAL whereas confidence depends on the situation on hand.

 

[Lauren]

I'm a person that has often noted the poor performance culture at the club as justification for Luke's poor development. While I haven't specifically blamed Benji or Robbie as the main cause for disruption, I do however believe that the club's previous organisational incompetence, quality of the team and frequent instability are major factors.
I can recognise that he's got some deficiencies  and poor leadership qualities including a lack of valour. Yet I believe he can turn things around given he can work on the mental, physical, tactical and technical elements of his game.

We all obviously don't see eye to eye on that and it's understandable but no offence my(or anyone else) applying this reasoning isn't to make excuses. In fact, they both mean completely different things.
When the Brooks supporters on here, myself included, stand by these reasons to why he's unable to produce certain traits/plays (being vocal, his kicks and try assists the most common) it isn't to be combative at all but we're simply applying some logic to why he's undeveloped in these areas.
In all team sports, an individual's growth is dependent on the coaching and team around him too. So at present not only would he be working on building on his own skills and other new ones, but he'd also be learning how to modify his game to serve or suit the needs of another newly formed team.

I'd say the only concern is his confidence and if he can take accountability of it he'd be in more control of everything.

Seriously Luke Brookes has played over 150 NRL games and you assert he "LACKS VALOUR" my understanding of word valour means courage. With respect Lauren if you believe anyone who has played 150 games of NRL lacks courage you havE no idea what it takes to play at this level.

I would never ever associate that word with the physical aspect of rugby league.
If you can understand that the outline of my post is relating the culture of the club and it's impact on Luke's development (especially the ongoing psychological challenges he's faced), and read that particular passage, you'd see this word has only been used only in regards to his leadership skills and ability.
( FYI I don't even think he's been bad at all and think he's made some changes in the way he responds in games)
I specifically meant, the courage to do whatever it takes to be the best and expect the same from those around him. To be relentless in pursuit of this and always strive to deliver the best results.
The only reason I even said it in the first place, is because it's obvious he has some confidence issues and his self-belief has sometimes appeared (that's obviously only my opinion though) to be shot and I'd like to see him overcome it.

I am honestly one of the last persons you'd hear say something to that degree about Luke. I actually literally tried to report a comment(just the other day) on the forum which suggested one of our other players smash or hurt him.

With respect Lauren lack of valour or courage has nothing to do with confidence. Courage is UNCONDITIONAL whereas confidence depends on the situation on hand.

What is the actual issue?
It feels like you wish to get into a war of words and I do not. Especially over something is silly as the use of my wording.
This is only my viewpoint, so please don't take it personal, as I seriously do not wish to get into a debate with someone when they don't agree with it.

 

[Magpieger]

Faith restored, hope re-inflated. Brooksy's gonna carve up tomorrow! A hard fought **win** coming up.

 

[BZN]

I'm a person that has often noted the poor performance culture at the club as justification for Luke's poor development. While I haven't specifically blamed Benji or Robbie as the main cause for disruption, I do however believe that the club's previous organisational incompetence, quality of the team and frequent instability are major factors.
I can recognise that he's got some deficiencies  and poor leadership qualities including a lack of valour. Yet I believe he can turn things around given he can work on the mental, physical, tactical and technical elements of his game.

We all obviously don't see eye to eye on that and it's understandable but no offence my(or anyone else) applying this reasoning isn't to make excuses. In fact, they both mean completely different things.
When the Brooks supporters on here, myself included, stand by these reasons to why he's unable to produce certain traits/plays (being vocal, his kicks and try assists the most common) it isn't to be combative at all but we're simply applying some logic to why he's undeveloped in these areas.
In all team sports, an individual's growth is dependent on the coaching and team around him too. So at present not only would he be working on building on his own skills and other new ones, but he'd also be learning how to modify his game to serve or suit the needs of another newly formed team.

I'd say the only concern is his confidence and if he can take accountability of it he'd be in more control of everything.

Seriously Luke Brookes has played over 150 NRL games and you assert he "LACKS VALOUR" my understanding of word valour means courage. With respect Lauren if you believe anyone who has played 150 games of NRL lacks courage you havE no idea what it takes to play at this level.

I would never ever associate that word with the physical aspect of rugby league.
If you can understand that the outline of my post is relating the culture of the club and it's impact on Luke's development (especially the ongoing psychological challenges he's faced), and read that particular passage, you'd see this word has only been used only in regards to his leadership skills and ability.
( FYI I don't even think he's been bad at all and think he's made some changes in the way he responds in games)
I specifically meant, the courage to do whatever it takes to be the best and expect the same from those around him. To be relentless in pursuit of this and always strive to deliver the best results.
The only reason I even said it in the first place, is because it's obvious he has some confidence issues and his self-belief has sometimes appeared (that's obviously only my opinion though) to be shot and I'd like to see him overcome it.

I am honestly one of the last persons you'd hear say something to that degree about Luke. I actually literally tried to report a comment(just the other day) on the forum which suggested one of our other players smash or hurt him.

With respect Lauren lack of valour or courage has nothing to do with confidence. Courage is UNCONDITIONAL whereas confidence depends on the situation on hand.

What is the actual issue?
It feels like you wish to get into a war of words and I do not. Especially over something is silly as the use of my wording.
This is only my viewpoint, so please don't take it personal, as I seriously do not wish to get into a debate with someone when they don't agree with it.

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[Merlot]

we;ll probably still give our opinions when they fly his commemeritive guirnsy up the flag post


Or when he breaks Farah’s record for most games for the club.

This topic is beyond boring at this point. Everyone says the same thing, and they find 500 ways to say it.

and life rolls on,smiley face

 

[mike]

we;ll probably still give our opinions when they fly his commemeritive guirnsy up the flag post


Or when he breaks Farah’s record for most games for the club.

This topic is beyond boring at this point. Everyone says the same thing, and they find 500 ways to say it.

You can always set it to ignore if it’s boring for you. Then you’ll never see a post in the thread again.

 

[twentyforty]

I'm a person that has often noted the poor performance culture at the club as justification for Luke's poor development. While I haven't specifically blamed Benji or Robbie as the main cause for disruption, I do however believe that the club's previous organisational incompetence, quality of the team and frequent instability are major factors.
I can recognise that he's got some deficiencies  and poor leadership qualities including a lack of valour. Yet I believe he can turn things around given he can work on the mental, physical, tactical and technical elements of his game.

We all obviously don't see eye to eye on that and it's understandable but no offence my(or anyone else) applying this reasoning isn't to make excuses. In fact, they both mean completely different things.
When the Brooks supporters on here, myself included, stand by these reasons to why he's unable to produce certain traits/plays (being vocal, his kicks and try assists the most common) it isn't to be combative at all but we're simply applying some logic to why he's undeveloped in these areas.
In all team sports, an individual's growth is dependent on the coaching and team around him too. So at present not only would he be working on building on his own skills and other new ones, but he'd also be learning how to modify his game to serve or suit the needs of another newly formed team.

I'd say the only concern is his confidence and if he can take accountability of it he'd be in more control of everything.

Seriously Luke Brookes has played over 150 NRL games and you assert he "LACKS VALOUR" my understanding of word valour means courage. With respect Lauren if you believe anyone who has played 150 games of NRL lacks courage you havE no idea what it takes to play at this level.

I would never ever associate that word with the physical aspect of rugby league.
If you can understand that the outline of my post is relating the culture of the club and it's impact on Luke's development (especially the ongoing psychological challenges he's faced), and read that particular passage, you'd see this word has only been used only in regards to his leadership skills and ability.
I specifically meant, the courage to do whatever it takes to be the best and expect the same from those around him. To be relentless in pursuit of this and always strive to deliver the best results.
The only reason I even said it in the first place, is because it's obvious he has some confidence issues and his self-belief has sometimes appeared (that's obviously only my opinion though) to be shot and I'd like to see him overcome it.

I am honestly one of the last persons you'd hear say something to that degree about Luke. I actually literally tried to report a comment(just the other day) on the forum which suggested one of our other players smash or hurt him.

Yep , it’s clearly in his head . I don’t think anyone will disagree there . He runs when he should pass he passes when he should run , he thinks way too much . I don’t think it’s because he can’t control the team , or is overwhelmed by the responsibility, but that he lacks confidence in his own abilities . So he’s kind of like the coach in the water boy , who had his book stolen . He’s still a great coach , he just thinks way too much and can’t get out of his own way . The person who can get him to free his mind , will unlock the star he can be . Most have given up on the kid. I still have hope , even though I understand I’m probably on a sinking ship.

Sorry only noticed your reply so never had a chance to respond until now.
I feel there's a reason why it seems he's at a standstill, regressed or in career high form and that's because his form has always closely resembled that of the team's.
I believe once we're playing with more team harmony and he's continued working on the technical elements of his game, he'll get back to his confident best.

He's always done this throughout his whole career, given dedication to something and applied it where needed. He was once a great creative spark, despite inexperience, when we'd had players such as Teddy, Simona and Nofo working with him. His defence was always problematic until it was a requirement for the team. We saw his short kicking game become a major focus of his - and close to the best in the NRL, at that time - when we severely lacked strike players. Even last year he managed to overturn his whole attitude and effort, in what was his worst year yet.
Therefore I share your hope, as like I said before, his whole personal growth has pretty much been in alignment with the team's and despite the results we're already showing some improvement. He's always recovered from turbulent and disruptive times and has overcome every challenge thrown at him.
So IMO history shows that he'll push though it when he can do the work and own his newly evolved role in the team.

Lauren, I’d like to pick up on your use of the word “harmony” ? or more precisely “team harmony.”
Seriously though, I agree and think it’s the essential ingredient we have been missing. Although I saw some harmonic motion in the game against Dragons.
I was thinking of contacting Madge with this idea I have on how to reintroduce the harmonic motion? I think the honesty, accountability lunches, whatever they’re called? are a step in the right direction and the Dragons game validated that, however, there is more that can be done. I think there’s merit in the idea of getting a time and motion engineer/scientist to study the team’s movements at training and choose a compatible piece of music to be played with each set piece. This probably could be a job for Burgess? IDK? Anyway, It wouldn’t take long until the players are humming the tune on game day and dancing into shape on the field.

 

[happy_tiger]

Most under stated issue with Luke is the move away from block plays in the modern game. Set plays and block plays make up 80% of his highlight reel. The other 20% is where he takes on the line and uses his speed and strength to get through.

No coincidence in my book that his drop in form has came at the same time the game went away from block plays and more a reliance on heads up, play what you see halves play.

I agree. I actually thought he’d be the sort of player to flourish under the new rules and play up tempo footy. He seems to have lost all of his confidence and is still stuck playing high competition footy

It's weird hey, I always thought he'd be better at less structured footy but every time he gets in one of those situations he seems to panic. When we can run the set play like we did for Joeys try last week he did well though

You can see his brain ticking over ...it's reached a painful stage ...I actually feel sorry for him

 

[twentyforty]

Most under stated issue with Luke is the move away from block plays in the modern game. Set plays and block plays make up 80% of his highlight reel. The other 20% is where he takes on the line and uses his speed and strength to get through.

No coincidence in my book that his drop in form has came at the same time the game went away from block plays and more a reliance on heads up, play what you see halves play.

I agree. I actually thought he’d be the sort of player to flourish under the new rules and play up tempo footy. He seems to have lost all of his confidence and is still stuck playing high competition footy

It's weird hey, I always thought he'd be better at less structured footy but every time he gets in one of those situations he seems to panic. When we can run the set play like we did for Joeys try last week he did well though

You can see his brain ticking over ...it's reached a painful stage ...I actually feel sorry for him

Information overload?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I'm a person that has often noted the poor performance culture at the club as justification for Luke's poor development. While I haven't specifically blamed Benji or Robbie as the main cause for disruption, I do however believe that the club's previous organisational incompetence, quality of the team and frequent instability are major factors.
I can recognise that he's got some deficiencies  and poor leadership qualities including a lack of valour. Yet I believe he can turn things around given he can work on the mental, physical, tactical and technical elements of his game.

We all obviously don't see eye to eye on that and it's understandable but no offence my(or anyone else) applying this reasoning isn't to make excuses. In fact, they both mean completely different things.
When the Brooks supporters on here, myself included, stand by these reasons to why he's unable to produce certain traits/plays (being vocal, his kicks and try assists the most common) it isn't to be combative at all but we're simply applying some logic to why he's undeveloped in these areas.
In all team sports, an individual's growth is dependent on the coaching and team around him too. So at present not only would he be working on building on his own skills and other new ones, but he'd also be learning how to modify his game to serve or suit the needs of another newly formed team.

I'd say the only concern is his confidence and if he can take accountability of it he'd be in more control of everything.

Seriously Luke Brookes has played over 150 NRL games and you assert he "LACKS VALOUR" my understanding of word valour means courage. With respect Lauren if you believe anyone who has played 150 games of NRL lacks courage you havE no idea what it takes to play at this level.

I would never ever associate that word with the physical aspect of rugby league.
If you can understand that the outline of my post is relating the culture of the club and it's impact on Luke's development (especially the ongoing psychological challenges he's faced), and read that particular passage, you'd see this word has only been used only in regards to his leadership skills and ability.
I specifically meant, the courage to do whatever it takes to be the best and expect the same from those around him. To be relentless in pursuit of this and always strive to deliver the best results.
The only reason I even said it in the first place, is because it's obvious he has some confidence issues and his self-belief has sometimes appeared (that's obviously only my opinion though) to be shot and I'd like to see him overcome it.

I am honestly one of the last persons you'd hear say something to that degree about Luke. I actually literally tried to report a comment(just the other day) on the forum which suggested one of our other players smash or hurt him.

Yep , it’s clearly in his head . I don’t think anyone will disagree there . He runs when he should pass he passes when he should run , he thinks way too much . I don’t think it’s because he can’t control the team , or is overwhelmed by the responsibility, but that he lacks confidence in his own abilities . So he’s kind of like the coach in the water boy , who had his book stolen . He’s still a great coach , he just thinks way too much and can’t get out of his own way . The person who can get him to free his mind , will unlock the star he can be . Most have given up on the kid. I still have hope , even though I understand I’m probably on a sinking ship.

Sorry only noticed your reply so never had a chance to respond until now.
I feel there's a reason why it seems he's at a standstill, regressed or in career high form and that's because his form has always closely resembled that of the team's.
I believe once we're playing with more team harmony and he's continued working on the technical elements of his game, he'll get back to his confident best.

He's always done this throughout his whole career, given dedication to something and applied it where needed. He was once a great creative spark, despite inexperience, when we'd had players such as Teddy, Simona and Nofo working with him. His defence was always problematic until it was a requirement for the team. We saw his short kicking game become a major focus of his - and close to the best in the NRL, at that time - when we severely lacked strike players. Even last year he managed to overturn his whole attitude and effort, in what was his worst year yet.
Therefore I share your hope, as like I said before, his whole personal growth has pretty much been in alignment with the team's and despite the results we're already showing some improvement. He's always recovered from turbulent and disruptive times and has overcome every challenge thrown at him.
So IMO history shows that he'll push though it when he can do the work and own his newly evolved role in the team.

Lauren, I’d like to pick up on your use of the word “harmony” ? or more precisely “team harmony.”
Seriously though, I agree and think it’s the essential ingredient we have been missing. Although I saw some harmonic motion in the game against Dragons.
I was thinking of contacting Madge with this idea I have on how to reintroduce the harmonic motion? I think the honesty, accountability lunches, whatever they’re called? are a step in the right direction and the Dragons game validated that, however, there is more that can be done. I think there’s merit in the idea of getting a time and motion engineer/scientist to study the team’s movements at training and choose a compatible piece of music to be played with each set piece. This probably could be a job for Burgess? IDK? Anyway, It wouldn’t take long until the players are humming the tune on game day and dancing into shape on the field.

How about we arrange a week long get away to the Maharishi's transcendental meditation centre where Maguire and the team can reach a higher plane of consciousness.

Maharishi to Madge - move you to a state of peaceful body, peaceful world, peaceful mind. Let your footballers play football, throw the ball wide, unload, backup, contest bombs and no more Madge ball

 

[haberfield_tiger]

Time for a change. Give madden a go....

 

[Honkylips]

Time for a change. Give madden a go....

I think you're being too impatient. Brooks needs time.. :joy: :joy:

 

[tiger8]

Time for a change. Give madden a go....

You think. He is now officially awful.

 

[Sabre]

Time for a change. Give madden a go....

Can't be any worse.
Even if he is worse, it's time to move on from Brooks. Somebody else at least deserves a chance to show they might be better.

 

[tiger8]

Time for a change. Give madden a go....

You think. He is now officially awful.

Brooks that is. Madden’s worst game on KOE is twice brooks tonight

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Can somebody please turn the lights out!

 

[Mighty_Tiger]

Brooks can’t win us games if we keep letting 30pts in

But yeah sure make him the scapegoat for why we suck and we leak 30pts....

 

[TYGA]

Feel for Brooksy. His time is up at the Tigers the club and player would be better off severing ties. Too many years of battling has drained his confidence. He can be a good NRL player at another club he has the talent just doesn’t look like he’s thinking at all about his footy.

 

[69-05-41]

We need a fan boys only thread where they can discuss all the important topics like Luke, rainbows, unicorns and butterflies, leave this one for the realists.

 

[Tiger_Pete]

Brooks can’t win us games if we keep letting 30pts in

But yeah sure make him the scapegoat for why we suck and we leak 30pts....

The team can have more than one problem at once. The defence is terrible and Brooks is playing terrible.