Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[tony soprano]

I have heard on numerous occassions in pre match comments by Maguire that the team has trained well and practiced what they have to do and then they come out on to the field and play like headless chooks with no pattern / system to defence and little to no planning.

So, doesnt the truth then have to be that on the field of battle they are falling apart under pressure? Could it be that the leadership group isnt leading by example, the captain is not inspiring them (or not on the field), and the halfback is not organising, or most worryingly, the team is dogging it. While it is true there are many young-uns in the 17, there are also enough experienced old-uns to be able to take the pressure and help the others. Yet, they are not.

If they are doing totally opposite to what has been practised on training the culprit players are in the wrong and should be sacked. Surely contracts have in them undertaking coaches instructions. If the players think they n=know better tit cant go on.

Im all for replacing Maguire if we can find someone better, but the players behind all this should not, cannot, escape the axe. If they do get a new coach, they would have to accept the direction the club is going in and not go through another massive rebuild.

Questions are being asked of the coach about why he is reporting to the club that training is going well but that is not transferring to gameday.

That’s an interesting one. It feels like we have a pretty disconnected group which I’d imagine would also be fairly obvious through the week. Do people from the senior admin not go to training and watch? What are they doing? Certainly not winning in their meetings with player managers.

Going and watching training and understanding what is happening, whether the goals of the session are being achieved, if players are hitting data etc are different things. I don't expect Pascoe to be able to go to training and determine of the training session was successful. I would also be disappointed if he is spending all day at training.

With the right experience it’s easy to tell the difference between a really connected team and one that’s got issues. I think everything would just be humming if you watched Melbourne train. I imagine some of our fellas would stroll in and probably not even acknowledge each other. That’s how they’re playing anyway.

Yes but that is not the senior management role to see that, it is Madges role. That is why he is being asked those questions.

This is where we disagree mate, from top down I’d want football nous. They’re on big money and what exactly are they doing to win us games?

At this point in time our senior management isn't even allowed at training.

Fair point, but if they were I’d expect them to show an interest, obviously not down there every day with flags, but get down there and experience the playing culture.

I'm sure they do, I had an invitation to head to training with Hartigan, unfortunately I didn't get the chance to get down there.

Bro, they should put you on the payroll.
Official club employee: Cochise.

When Pascoe showed us the COE plans, I asked which office is was mine.

And he laughed at you, not with you.

Maybe Cochise can get on the member committee like the pom was on.

Be good to have some one from the forum representative us at that level.

We have a number of people on here involved in the ambush and involved with the club with that.

@Tiger_Steve @jirskyr @Geo @Celtic_Tiger are all involved in a group working with the club.

But that's not the same as the member committee, is it ?

I couldn't find any information from the club about the member committee after 2018, like an official one...

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2018/03/05/wests-tigers-confirm-2018-member-committee/

@cochise are you aware if this is still a thing?
And are you on the committee like J said?

We are involved in a Members Working Group, this is an advisory group that has presented to the club on members engagement. We had a thread on here last year that was used to allow people to provide feedback that we presented to the club at the end of last year.

Cheers mate.

Sounds like something different to their official member committee that they may not even be doing any more.

Sounds great though.
I was banned for the majority of last year so may have missed that thread but thanks for answering my questions.

What’s the Pom story does anyone know who it js

Yeah but that's his business.

Any background info?

 

[twentyforty]

I have heard on numerous occassions in pre match comments by Maguire that the team has trained well and practiced what they have to do and then they come out on to the field and play like headless chooks with no pattern / system to defence and little to no planning.

So, doesnt the truth then have to be that on the field of battle they are falling apart under pressure? Could it be that the leadership group isnt leading by example, the captain is not inspiring them (or not on the field), and the halfback is not organising, or most worryingly, the team is dogging it. While it is true there are many young-uns in the 17, there are also enough experienced old-uns to be able to take the pressure and help the others. Yet, they are not.

If they are doing totally opposite to what has been practised on training the culprit players are in the wrong and should be sacked. Surely contracts have in them undertaking coaches instructions. If the players think they n=know better tit cant go on.

Im all for replacing Maguire if we can find someone better, but the players behind all this should not, cannot, escape the axe. If they do get a new coach, they would have to accept the direction the club is going in and not go through another massive rebuild.

Questions are being asked of the coach about why he is reporting to the club that training is going well but that is not transferring to gameday.

That’s an interesting one. It feels like we have a pretty disconnected group which I’d imagine would also be fairly obvious through the week. Do people from the senior admin not go to training and watch? What are they doing? Certainly not winning in their meetings with player managers.

Going and watching training and understanding what is happening, whether the goals of the session are being achieved, if players are hitting data etc are different things. I don't expect Pascoe to be able to go to training and determine of the training session was successful. I would also be disappointed if he is spending all day at training.

With the right experience it’s easy to tell the difference between a really connected team and one that’s got issues. I think everything would just be humming if you watched Melbourne train. I imagine some of our fellas would stroll in and probably not even acknowledge each other. That’s how they’re playing anyway.

Yes but that is not the senior management role to see that, it is Madges role. That is why he is being asked those questions.

This is where we disagree mate, from top down I’d want football nous. They’re on big money and what exactly are they doing to win us games?

At this point in time our senior management isn't even allowed at training.

Fair point, but if they were I’d expect them to show an interest, obviously not down there every day with flags, but get down there and experience the playing culture.

I'm sure they do, I had an invitation to head to training with Hartigan, unfortunately I didn't get the chance to get down there.

Bro, they should put you on the payroll.
Official club employee: Cochise.

When Pascoe showed us the COE plans, I asked which office is was mine.

And he laughed at you, not with you.

Maybe Cochise can get on the member committee like the pom was on.

Be good to have some one from the forum representative us at that level.

We have a number of people on here involved in the ambush and involved with the club with that.

@Tiger_Steve @jirskyr @Geo @Celtic_Tiger are all involved in a group working with the club.

But that's not the same as the member committee, is it ?

I couldn't find any information from the club about the member committee after 2018, like an official one...

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2018/03/05/wests-tigers-confirm-2018-member-committee/

@cochise are you aware if this is still a thing?
And are you on the committee like J said?

We are involved in a Members Working Group, this is an advisory group that has presented to the club on members engagement. We had a thread on here last year that was used to allow people to provide feedback that we presented to the club at the end of last year.

Cheers mate.

Sounds like something different to their official member committee that they may not even be doing any more.

Sounds great though.
I was banned for the majority of last year so may have missed that thread but thanks for answering my questions.

What’s the Pom story does anyone know who it js

Yeah but that's his business.

That’s right cobbler.
S/b cobber ?

 

[Demps]

I have heard on numerous occassions in pre match comments by Maguire that the team has trained well and practiced what they have to do and then they come out on to the field and play like headless chooks with no pattern / system to defence and little to no planning.

So, doesnt the truth then have to be that on the field of battle they are falling apart under pressure? Could it be that the leadership group isnt leading by example, the captain is not inspiring them (or not on the field), and the halfback is not organising, or most worryingly, the team is dogging it. While it is true there are many young-uns in the 17, there are also enough experienced old-uns to be able to take the pressure and help the others. Yet, they are not.

If they are doing totally opposite to what has been practised on training the culprit players are in the wrong and should be sacked. Surely contracts have in them undertaking coaches instructions. If the players think they n=know better tit cant go on.

Im all for replacing Maguire if we can find someone better, but the players behind all this should not, cannot, escape the axe. If they do get a new coach, they would have to accept the direction the club is going in and not go through another massive rebuild.

Questions are being asked of the coach about why he is reporting to the club that training is going well but that is not transferring to gameday.

That’s an interesting one. It feels like we have a pretty disconnected group which I’d imagine would also be fairly obvious through the week. Do people from the senior admin not go to training and watch? What are they doing? Certainly not winning in their meetings with player managers.

Going and watching training and understanding what is happening, whether the goals of the session are being achieved, if players are hitting data etc are different things. I don't expect Pascoe to be able to go to training and determine of the training session was successful. I would also be disappointed if he is spending all day at training.

With the right experience it’s easy to tell the difference between a really connected team and one that’s got issues. I think everything would just be humming if you watched Melbourne train. I imagine some of our fellas would stroll in and probably not even acknowledge each other. That’s how they’re playing anyway.

Yes but that is not the senior management role to see that, it is Madges role. That is why he is being asked those questions.

This is where we disagree mate, from top down I’d want football nous. They’re on big money and what exactly are they doing to win us games?

At this point in time our senior management isn't even allowed at training.

Fair point, but if they were I’d expect them to show an interest, obviously not down there every day with flags, but get down there and experience the playing culture.

I'm sure they do, I had an invitation to head to training with Hartigan, unfortunately I didn't get the chance to get down there.

Bro, they should put you on the payroll.
Official club employee: Cochise.

When Pascoe showed us the COE plans, I asked which office is was mine.

And he laughed at you, not with you.

Maybe Cochise can get on the member committee like the pom was on.

Be good to have some one from the forum representative us at that level.

We have a number of people on here involved in the ambush and involved with the club with that.

@Tiger_Steve @jirskyr @Geo @Celtic_Tiger are all involved in a group working with the club.

But that's not the same as the member committee, is it ?

I couldn't find any information from the club about the member committee after 2018, like an official one...

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2018/03/05/wests-tigers-confirm-2018-member-committee/

@cochise are you aware if this is still a thing?
And are you on the committee like J said?

We are involved in a Members Working Group, this is an advisory group that has presented to the club on members engagement. We had a thread on here last year that was used to allow people to provide feedback that we presented to the club at the end of last year.

Cheers mate.

Sounds like something different to their official member committee that they may not even be doing any more.

Sounds great though.
I was banned for the majority of last year so may have missed that thread but thanks for answering my questions.

What’s the Pom story does anyone know who it js

Yeah but that's his business.

That’s right cobbler.
S/b cobber ?

? what in the world...

 

[twentyforty]

I have heard on numerous occassions in pre match comments by Maguire that the team has trained well and practiced what they have to do and then they come out on to the field and play like headless chooks with no pattern / system to defence and little to no planning.

So, doesnt the truth then have to be that on the field of battle they are falling apart under pressure? Could it be that the leadership group isnt leading by example, the captain is not inspiring them (or not on the field), and the halfback is not organising, or most worryingly, the team is dogging it. While it is true there are many young-uns in the 17, there are also enough experienced old-uns to be able to take the pressure and help the others. Yet, they are not.

If they are doing totally opposite to what has been practised on training the culprit players are in the wrong and should be sacked. Surely contracts have in them undertaking coaches instructions. If the players think they n=know better tit cant go on.

Im all for replacing Maguire if we can find someone better, but the players behind all this should not, cannot, escape the axe. If they do get a new coach, they would have to accept the direction the club is going in and not go through another massive rebuild.

Questions are being asked of the coach about why he is reporting to the club that training is going well but that is not transferring to gameday.

That’s an interesting one. It feels like we have a pretty disconnected group which I’d imagine would also be fairly obvious through the week. Do people from the senior admin not go to training and watch? What are they doing? Certainly not winning in their meetings with player managers.

Going and watching training and understanding what is happening, whether the goals of the session are being achieved, if players are hitting data etc are different things. I don't expect Pascoe to be able to go to training and determine of the training session was successful. I would also be disappointed if he is spending all day at training.

With the right experience it’s easy to tell the difference between a really connected team and one that’s got issues. I think everything would just be humming if you watched Melbourne train. I imagine some of our fellas would stroll in and probably not even acknowledge each other. That’s how they’re playing anyway.

Yes but that is not the senior management role to see that, it is Madges role. That is why he is being asked those questions.

This is where we disagree mate, from top down I’d want football nous. They’re on big money and what exactly are they doing to win us games?

At this point in time our senior management isn't even allowed at training.

Fair point, but if they were I’d expect them to show an interest, obviously not down there every day with flags, but get down there and experience the playing culture.

I'm sure they do, I had an invitation to head to training with Hartigan, unfortunately I didn't get the chance to get down there.

Bro, they should put you on the payroll.
Official club employee: Cochise.

When Pascoe showed us the COE plans, I asked which office is was mine.

And he laughed at you, not with you.

Maybe Cochise can get on the member committee like the pom was on.

Be good to have some one from the forum representative us at that level.

We have a number of people on here involved in the ambush and involved with the club with that.

@Tiger_Steve @jirskyr @Geo @Celtic_Tiger are all involved in a group working with the club.

But that's not the same as the member committee, is it ?

I couldn't find any information from the club about the member committee after 2018, like an official one...

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2018/03/05/wests-tigers-confirm-2018-member-committee/

@cochise are you aware if this is still a thing?
And are you on the committee like J said?

We are involved in a Members Working Group, this is an advisory group that has presented to the club on members engagement. We had a thread on here last year that was used to allow people to provide feedback that we presented to the club at the end of last year.

Cheers mate.

Sounds like something different to their official member committee that they may not even be doing any more.

Sounds great though.
I was banned for the majority of last year so may have missed that thread but thanks for answering my questions.

What’s the Pom story does anyone know who it js

Yeah but that's his business.

That’s right cobbler.
S/b cobber ?

? what in the world...

Is there an alarm I can set to alert me each time the club moves in a different direction? Not overly concerned which direction, cause I realise sometimes it only looks like a move backwards when it could be forwards.

 

[barra]

This isn't to defend Madge, just contrasting the rosters and where the rosters came from.

Excellent work, thanks for taking the time to put the roster/talent/historycomparison into perspective.

This is the type of analysis that no one considers before relentlessly unloading on Madge - and others.

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

The Daily Telerag ran a hit piece on us today.

**West Tigers players to determine fate of coach Michael Maguire**

The Wests Tigers players have six games to determine the fate of their coach Michael Maguire. A loss to the 15th-placed Broncos in Brisbane next Sunday could dramatically reduce that timeline. The 14th-placed Wests Tigers have managed five wins so far in 2021. It is currently their worst season on record. With eight games remaining in the regular season, the Tigers players need to decide if they want to save their coach.

The Wests Tigers need to find two wins in order to level with the club’s worst performing years, which is seven victories in 2002, 2003, 2013, 2017 and last year.

It’s hardly worth cheering about.

The Tigers’ five wins so far have been accrued against the Knights (ninth) and Dragons (seventh), both twice, and against a State of Origin-depleted Panthers (second). Maguire was signed — and re-signed again last December — in the belief that the no-nonsense coach would instil steel into a club that is devoid of an identity. There are few people in the game, who can agree on what the Wests Tigers stand for as a club. The other question being asked is: are the players playing for their coach?

The Tigers are averaging their most points-conceded per-game since forming as a joint-venture in 2000. In fairness, the hyperactive rule changes which have been implemented over the past two seasons have skewed the game towards attack over defence. Over the next six weeks, the Tigers face the Broncos (away), Sea Eagles (away), Warriors (home), Bulldogs (away), Cowboys (away), Sharks (away). Beating the Broncos is huge for Maguire. But even that still may not be enough for the steadfast mentor to see out his current contract that isn‘t due to expire until the end of 2023.

Aside from on-field performance, the club is being held back by an inability to recruit the game‘s best talent on the open market.

It’s unfair to pin every player signing on Maguire — but very few players sign because they want to train, learn and play under a particular CEO or board.

The stark reality is, the Tigers in many cases, aren’t even getting to the negotiation table.

For example, two of the longest-serving player agents in the NRL haven‘t heard from the Wests Tigers in months. The veteran deal-makers don’t have a single player on the Tigers current roster. Working separately, the two agents boast a combined 45 years worth of experience in cutting deals for some of the biggest players in the game.

They have sent their players to broken clubs before. In the last six months alone, they have inked multimillion-dollar deals at other clubs — which are just as low as the Tigers on the ladder — for their client list that includes past and present Test and State of Origin halves, forwards and outside backs. That’s hugely concerning if you’re a Tigers supporter.

Latrell Mitchell, who was offered $4.4 million from the Tigers, took $600,000 less to sign with South Sydney. Josh Addo-Carr signed a heads of agreement to join the Tigers — then pulled out to join wooden-spoon favourites the Bulldogs. The Tigers have been told by one-and-all to sign Storm forward and NSW vice-captain Dale Finucane. On the surface, it’s a fair and obvious call. But what the fans don’t understand is that the Tigers may as well be linked to Michael Jordan. They are being used up.

The Tigers would need to offer a four-year deal and pay more than $700,000 per-season to even get a meeting with 30-year-old Finucane.

Meanwhile, other clubs are being told they can get Finucane for $550,000 per-season and they wouldn’t have to offer him four years.

Maguire aptly described the effort by the Tigers to lose 38-22 against South Sydney last weekend as “garbage”. The last week has sparked nervous conversations and questions at Concord.

These are the same conversations former premiership-winner Tim Sheens will be asked to answer when he arrives at the end of this month. Is it the playing roster, is it the coach, or is it both? Sheens will return to the Tigers, for the first time since departing as head coach in September, 2012.

He is back, appointed to a role — and this is important — that has never existed before. His title is head of football performance, but from a success-starved Tigers fan point of view, Sheens could be asked to sell hot dogs on Mary Street, for all they care. The appointment of ‘Tiger Tim’ is defining for Maguire, who understandably has asked his tight-knit crew of staff why, given his own resume of success, the club needs Sheens looking under the bonnet.

More immediately though, the Tigers play the Broncos next Sunday.

Winning is everything.

 

[Geo]

https://www.triplem.com.au/story/players-starting-to-turn-on-michael-maguire-after-post-match-comments-178079

Chammas whiney voice..

Players Starting To Turn On Michael Maguire After Post-Match
FOX LEAGUE

Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire is facing an uphill battle to keep his job at the club.

Brent Read and Michael Chammas revealed on the Triple M Saturday Scrum, players at the club are unhappy with comments Maguire made post-match following the side's loss to the Rabbitohs.

 

[Alex Seyfarth's #1 Fan]

https://www.triplem.com.au/story/players-starting-to-turn-on-michael-maguire-after-post-match-comments-178079

Chammas whiney voice..

Players Starting To Turn On Michael Maguire After Post-Match
FOX LEAGUE

Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire is facing an uphill battle to keep his job at the club.

Brent Read and Michael Chammas revealed on the Triple M Saturday Scrum, players at the club are unhappy with comments Maguire made post-match following the side's loss to the Rabbitohs.

Why is our playing group always full of sooks?

 

[Geo]

https://www.triplem.com.au/story/players-starting-to-turn-on-michael-maguire-after-post-match-comments-178079

Chammas whiney voice..

Players Starting To Turn On Michael Maguire After Post-Match
FOX LEAGUE

Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire is facing an uphill battle to keep his job at the club.

Brent Read and Michael Chammas revealed on the Triple M Saturday Scrum, players at the club are unhappy with comments Maguire made post-match following the side's loss to the Rabbitohs.

Why is our playing group always full of sooks?

There in lies the problem... Sacking Maguire changes nothing...

 

[Tcat]

https://www.triplem.com.au/story/players-starting-to-turn-on-michael-maguire-after-post-match-comments-178079

Chammas whiney voice..

Players Starting To Turn On Michael Maguire After Post-Match
FOX LEAGUE

Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire is facing an uphill battle to keep his job at the club.

Brent Read and Michael Chammas revealed on the Triple M Saturday Scrum, players at the club are unhappy with comments Maguire made post-match following the side's loss to the Rabbitohs.

Maybe if they played with some heart, Madge wouldn't have to say these sorts of things. The players are lucky that's all Madge said. Suck it up loosers and start performing.

 

[Spud_Murphy]

https://www.triplem.com.au/story/players-starting-to-turn-on-michael-maguire-after-post-match-comments-178079

Chammas whiney voice..

Players Starting To Turn On Michael Maguire After Post-Match
FOX LEAGUE

Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire is facing an uphill battle to keep his job at the club.

Brent Read and Michael Chammas revealed on the Triple M Saturday Scrum, players at the club are unhappy with comments Maguire made post-match following the side's loss to the Rabbitohs.

Parasitic media gunning for Maguire the same way they did Seibold. I don’t know what Madge has done to them to deserve this crap, but they won’t give up until he is gone. Cretins love destroying people’s lives and careers, perhaps someone should de-register the Daily Tripe Newspaper once and for all so they can all lose their jobs as well.

 

[avocadoontoast]

https://www.triplem.com.au/story/players-starting-to-turn-on-michael-maguire-after-post-match-comments-178079

Chammas whiney voice..

Players Starting To Turn On Michael Maguire After Post-Match
FOX LEAGUE

Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire is facing an uphill battle to keep his job at the club.

Brent Read and Michael Chammas revealed on the Triple M Saturday Scrum, players at the club are unhappy with comments Maguire made post-match following the side's loss to the Rabbitohs.

No comment.

 

[tony soprano]

Players have a right to react to those comments

 

[Tore85]

There is also expectation on the players to play consistently well every week. They cant keep blaming someone else for their actions.

 

[yeahcaz]

Madge is as responsible as the players are. Same lazy mob they’ve always been but there’s a lot of players in that squad now that he’s brought in.

For someone who’s a “defensive coach”, id go out on a limb and say I’ve never seen us more frail defensively.
Whatever him and his coaching staff teach, is not working.

 

[izotope]

https://www.triplem.com.au/story/players-starting-to-turn-on-michael-maguire-after-post-match-comments-178079

Chammas whiney voice..

Players Starting To Turn On Michael Maguire After Post-Match
FOX LEAGUE

Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire is facing an uphill battle to keep his job at the club.

Brent Read and Michael Chammas revealed on the Triple M Saturday Scrum, players at the club are unhappy with comments Maguire made post-match following the side's loss to the Rabbitohs.

This is the tigers circle of life. Well sack the coach. Then next season end up 9th, then 11th then 14th then sack the coach again and start it all over.

 

[WT2K]

https://www.triplem.com.au/story/players-starting-to-turn-on-michael-maguire-after-post-match-comments-178079

Chammas whiney voice..

Players Starting To Turn On Michael Maguire After Post-Match
FOX LEAGUE

Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire is facing an uphill battle to keep his job at the club.

Brent Read and Michael Chammas revealed on the Triple M Saturday Scrum, players at the club are unhappy with comments Maguire made post-match following the side's loss to the Rabbitohs.

Sounding like it's a united and happy club

 

[avocadoontoast]

‘Whispers are getting louder’: Madge given timeline to save job as dressing room turns

From Fox


Pressure is mounting on Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire amid claims members of the playing group were taken aback by his press conference comments last week.

Maguire described his team’s performance against the Rabbitohs as “garbage” after the 38-22 loss, adding that he “needs to find men who are going to be accountable”.

Those comments did not go down well with some players though.

“I think we are all starting to hear the rumblings around the Tigers and a little bit of unrest at the club in regards to the way they go forward,” the Sydney Morning Herald’s Michael Chammas toldTriple M on Saturday.

“Quite a few of the players had their noses out of joint a little offended by Michael Maguire’s comments last week.”

The Tigers currently sit in 14th position with just five wins from 16 games and are yet to qualify for the finals under Maguire, who took the Rabbitohs to a premiership in 2014.

Maguire’s role in the club’s poor form has been excused at times with suggestions his hard edge is needed to address the soft underbelly at the Tigers.

But now he and the club face a stark reality.

“I’m not defending the players because I think there’s an element that the players are partly to blame,” Chammas said.

“It’s the reality of the situation that if he’s starting to lose them and comments like that, sending text messages amongst each other about ‘what’s the coach saying here about us’ and they’re taking offence to it.

“Whether they are right or wrong that is the reality of the situation Madge now finds himself in. How you overturn that, given their start to the year, given they are struggling to recruit players. I’m starting to feel he is losing a lot of support with the people that matter.”

It comes as the Daily Telegraph believes Maguire has six games to save his job and a defeat to the Broncos in their next match could prove fatal.

“They play Brisbane on the back of a bye, have lost to Melbourne and South Sydney which most people expected, but if they lose to Brisbane things could start to unravel pretty quickly,” Chammas added.

“The club is waiting for Tim Sheens to arrive, he probably won’t be out of quarantine until August but the whispers are getting louder.”

Sheens will be returning to the Tigers as head of football performance but The Australian’s Brent Read worries it may be too late to save Maguire’s job.

“The sense I get is they’ll wait until Tim gets here and gets his feet under the desk and a feel for the environment,” he said.

“I’ve been one of Madge’s biggest fans and I cop flak for it but even I acknowledge now the sense is unless things change dramatically in the next month or two, he can’t survive. They’re just making no headway, they’re actually going backwards.


“The players have to take a lot of responsibility for it but as we always see in these situations, it is easier to get rid of a coach than to clean out the dressing room. So ultimately if Tim Sheens gets there and they lose a couple more. If they lose that game [Broncos], that is another mark against him.

“If Tim gets there in August and things haven’t changed, I don’t see how Madge can be there next year.”

However, one of the other questions the club needs to ask itself is that if Maguire is not the coach to lead the Tigers forward, then who is?

Shane Flanagan, Paul Green and Paul McGregor are three high-profile former coaches looking for a full-time gig but Chammas is hearing another name.

“When I speak to people in the NRL about who the best coach the one name I keep hearing is Cameron Ciraldo,” he said.

Ciraldo was pursued by Cronulla to work as assistant coach alongside Craig Fitzgibbon but declined the offer, instead opting to stay put at Penrith.

Panthers great Mark Geyer though believes a head coaching gig would be enough to see Ciraldo leave the foot of the mountains.

“The hype is real,” he said.

“I think he’d leave for a first-grade job. I know that Fitzy wanted to headhunt him at the Sharks as an assistant but ultimately he stayed at Penrith and that got approved with a roar of cheers. The players love him.

“He’s the Fitzgibbon of Origin. Fitzy does all the talking to the players, Freddie will go on the record and say that. Freddie has that aura where he doesn’t need to say much and when he says it they jump. He’s got the whole squad juggling – one bloke who has gone to the next level juggling is Nathan Cleary – hand-eye coordination.”

When you combine Ciraldo’s open mindset with his strong communication skills, Geyer said the 36-year-old would thrive in head coaching role.

“He thinks outside the box, has a great demeanour,” he added.

“He’s a softly spoken bloke but when he talks you listen. He says it in a way that you want to run through walls for him and that’s what I’m trying to get back to.

“Respecting whose authority is above you. If you’ve got respect for them you’ll do anything, you won’t turn up to training drunk.”

Geyer is referring to reports David Nofoaluma was stood down from the Tigers leadership group after attending training hungover.

It was the morning after the wedding of chairman Lee Hagipantelis’ daughter.

He believes that incident speaks to the broader problems at not just the Tigers but other clubs struggling for form at the moment.

“Look at the Dragons with what happened to them last Saturday, the Bulldogs with what happened the week before, David Nofoaluma coming to training hungover - it doesn’t happen to Penrith, the Roosters and the Storm – the good clubs,” he said.

“It starts right at the top and filters its way down to the players. If you have respect for those who are above you, who are in command, you don’t stuff up. If you give a damn about who has the whistle in the hand you’re going to act accordingly.

“Is Madge the right man for the job? I think he is. Has he got a roster he doesn’t want at the moment? Half of it – yeah – they’re rugby league players who do this for a living.

“Some of the performances they’ve put up this year, they should be unemployed some of them, that’s just not up to first-grade standards. Something is wrong.

“Hopefully Tim Sheens who has an aura about him, if he can come straighten the Tigers out which I think he can, if you start winning it becomes infectious. That’s all the Tigers need a couple of back-to-back and they need to get one soon.”

If that does not come next week against Brisbane it will spell trouble for Maguire.

 

[Needaname]

head of football ***performance***

That is an interesting title and certainly lends to a greater role in and around the Top 30 squad as oppose to the ‘pathways development role’ that is often mentioned.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

madge signed or resigned most of these blokes if he can't cut through to them then he has to go