Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[cochise]

We have gone backwards since Madge arrived. He is a coach that preaches defence, yet our defence is embarrassing. Of course a lot comes down to the cattle at your disposal, but there has been zero signs of improvement in 95% of the roster. One could argue they have gone backwards.

It would appear we can not attract the upper range of players to our club. Iam sure it’s for a number of reasons and I think Madge might be a small part of the problem. His win loss ratio since winning the GF with Souths is terrible, somewhere around 30%.

Although people like Gould and others in the media have gone into bat for Madge and said you need a old head for a coach to do a rebuild, Iam not so sure. Personally I would be going after someone like Cameron Cirado….excuse the spelling. A youngish coach from a very good system. Someone a little more in tune with the 18 to 30 age group and someone who probably has some different ideas on the NRL circa 2021.

If we can’t beat the Dogs twice it’s game set and match for Madge and I really think that will not happen.

I honestly think a rookie coach would be a terrible idea.

 

[TrueTiger]

The FG squad is not top eight - Maguire or no Maguire. They try but they lack quality players to compete. Their is not much difference between the bottom 8 sides on any given week. The game yesterday Warriors/Sharks was like a repeat of our game the week before. The real problem is 'recruitment - an ongoing problem- and not sure who is accountable for that - policy, system, or individuals.

I have to agree,we also couldnt recruit because we were hamstrung by Ivans purchases ....a lot of our cap was spent poorly to try and by a top team...now we have to develop a top team and wait until the right players come along to strengthen the squad...

 

[cochise]

The FG squad is not top eight - Maguire or no Maguire. They try but they lack quality players to compete. Their is not much difference between the bottom 8 sides on any given week. The game yesterday Warriors/Sharks was like a repeat of our game the week before. The real problem is 'recruitment - an ongoing problem- and not sure who is accountable for that - policy, system, or individuals.

I wouldn't care if they had the worst squad in the comp. and lost every game if they played like they are coached.
They play like they just met and the defence looks like they make it up every week.
I'd be patient with Madge if there were any signs of COACHED improvement.
There just aren't.

For me, last weeks game was completely unacceptable.

 

[TrueTiger]

The FG squad is not top eight - Maguire or no Maguire. They try but they lack quality players to compete. Their is not much difference between the bottom 8 sides on any given week. The game yesterday Warriors/Sharks was like a repeat of our game the week before. The real problem is 'recruitment - an ongoing problem- and not sure who is accountable for that - policy, system, or individuals.

I wouldn't care if they had the worst squad in the comp. and lost every game if they played like they are coached.
They play like they just met and the defence looks like they make it up every week.
I'd be patient with Madge if there were any signs of COACHED improvement.
There just aren't.

For me, last weeks game was completely unacceptable.

It wasnt good,but the big question to ask is will the team and coach LEARN from their mistakes and work together to better themselves in each role?

 

[2005magic]

The FG squad is not top eight - Maguire or no Maguire. They try but they lack quality players to compete. Their is not much difference between the bottom 8 sides on any given week. The game yesterday Warriors/Sharks was like a repeat of our game the week before. The real problem is 'recruitment - an ongoing problem- and not sure who is accountable for that - policy, system, or individuals.

Agree in general, however, there have been more than a few obvious times players (some of them key players) were not trying. My feeling is we have drifted with key areas not decided on and allowed to fester. The spine, the half-back, the five-eigth, hooker, back row, wings, centres and interchange has all had poor stability and performance output. Our props and fullback get pass marks but even in that there are baffling selections. We do have some good performers but at times their placement in the team selections is unfathomable, and that's the problem with the coach.

 

[cochise]

The FG squad is not top eight - Maguire or no Maguire. They try but they lack quality players to compete. Their is not much difference between the bottom 8 sides on any given week. The game yesterday Warriors/Sharks was like a repeat of our game the week before. The real problem is 'recruitment - an ongoing problem- and not sure who is accountable for that - policy, system, or individuals.

I wouldn't care if they had the worst squad in the comp. and lost every game if they played like they are coached.
They play like they just met and the defence looks like they make it up every week.
I'd be patient with Madge if there were any signs of COACHED improvement.
There just aren't.

For me, last weeks game was completely unacceptable.

It wasnt good,but the big question to ask is will the team and coach LEARN from their mistakes and work together to better themselves in each role?

I think the real test is how AD plays over the next few weeks, in his 1st game back in the 6 he was playing an excellent 5/8th role, straightening the attack and creating space for his outside men. Last week he was going sideways and running the outside men out of space. There is a conversation that should have happened between coach and AD this week. I think it should be pretty clear to see if that conversation took place.

 

[Telltails]

The FG squad is not top eight - Maguire or no Maguire. They try but they lack quality players to compete. Their is not much difference between the bottom 8 sides on any given week. The game yesterday Warriors/Sharks was like a repeat of our game the week before. The real problem is 'recruitment - an ongoing problem- and not sure who is accountable for that - policy, system, or individuals.

I wouldn't care if they had the worst squad in the comp. and lost every game if they played like they are coached.
They play like they just met and the defence looks like they make it up every week.
I'd be patient with Madge if there were any signs of COACHED improvement.
There just aren't.

I could say the same about the performance of much better squads week to week. The bottom eight is full of inconsistent performances because their squads have weaknesses and when challenged will fold.
Watched Eisenhuth and Momo in a good Penrith side last night - no better than when they were with us but surrounded by better quality players and hold their own - and now members of a winning team.
The expectations on this squad is so off when matched individually against most other teams. We are evenly matched today both very ordinary squads but man for man arguably is there that much difference.

 

[TrueTiger]

The FG squad is not top eight - Maguire or no Maguire. They try but they lack quality players to compete. Their is not much difference between the bottom 8 sides on any given week. The game yesterday Warriors/Sharks was like a repeat of our game the week before. The real problem is 'recruitment - an ongoing problem- and not sure who is accountable for that - policy, system, or individuals.

I wouldn't care if they had the worst squad in the comp. and lost every game if they played like they are coached.
They play like they just met and the defence looks like they make it up every week.
I'd be patient with Madge if there were any signs of COACHED improvement.
There just aren't.

For me, last weeks game was completely unacceptable.

It wasnt good,but the big question to ask is will the team and coach LEARN from their mistakes and work together to better themselves in each role?

I think the real test is how AD plays over the next few weeks, in his 1st game back in the 6 he was playing an excellent 5/8th role, straightening the attack and creating space for his outside men. Last week he was going sideways and running the outside men out of space. There is a conversation that should have happened between coach and AD this week. I think it should be pretty clear to see if that conversation took place.

And that goes back to my first statement that this side is still very NRL immature and will take a lot of coaching to teach them the game as it is now and the NRL system...I hope for all their sakes they apply themselves to better themselves in playing and coaching roles...

 

[isaaktigers]

The moment of truth is today everyone!

 

[Eyeofthetiger 0]

I have a feeling it’s bye bye Madge

 

[2005magic]

The FG squad is not top eight - Maguire or no Maguire. They try but they lack quality players to compete. Their is not much difference between the bottom 8 sides on any given week. The game yesterday Warriors/Sharks was like a repeat of our game the week before. The real problem is 'recruitment - an ongoing problem- and not sure who is accountable for that - policy, system, or individuals.

I wouldn't care if they had the worst squad in the comp. and lost every game if they played like they are coached.
They play like they just met and the defence looks like they make it up every week.
I'd be patient with Madge if there were any signs of COACHED improvement.
There just aren't.

For me, last weeks game was completely unacceptable.

Maybe thats a better way to judge things- how many games were the performance of the team unacceptable- yes, the game vs Warriors, the 2 x Tommy tribute / farewell games. What others? Plus we did have some good performances too.,

 

[jadtiger]

I have a feeling it’s bye bye Madge

I doubt it.We need to stick to Madge and the current policy of development of young players or we will not improve during the next 3-4 years.It is hard to be patient but we have to be.
If the board sacks Madge to cover their own mistakes then what tiny amount of respect i have for them will completely evaporate.

 

[Harvey]

Apparently Madge will be on the channel 9 footy show in about 15 mins discussing the ebbs and flows of coaching.

 

[rihannafan1]

At least when we had Sheens we had an identity. We were the team that would attack attack attack. It didn't always work, but we were fun to watch. That would work wonders in this current comp. Under Madge we have just looked... sad. No other way to put it. Cleary had us tough and hardened. What has Madge done?

As much as I hate the way Crawley bashes us, the other week he made a good point on NRL 360. He said that under Ivan Cleary, he saw the Tigers improving. He has not seen that with Madge. When you look at the personnel available to Cleary, I can't see much difference in quality to what Madge has had. To me it is obvious, the coach has the greatest effect on how a team performs.

The coach trains them, plans their development and their game strategy so he is completely responsible for the player's performance.

Not necessarily,if the group are young and not yet adapted to the NRL system that they are learning to play and cant quite ADAPT to it,then thats on themselves to better themselves to become NRL standard players....the coach can,structure,gameplan or scheme all he likes,if the players arent able to perform at that level then mistakes will be made and games will be lost...

but its easier to blame the coach because its all on him if some of the squad arent up to standard and the depth is just as bad apparently.....

Do you find it easier to blame the coach?

No I dont ...I admire the coach for trying to fix the culture and develope young juniors so our future will be brighter than the last 10 years...but some want him gone because the results dont suit them....

""to taste the sweet we must face the pain ""

Sure. If these results suit anybody I'd be shocked.

 

[Viking Warrior]

Apparently Madge will be on the channel 9 footy show in about 15 mins discussing the ebbs and flows of coaching.

He loves that term, also likes to point out how his got a group of young men here and how well we have trained all week.

 

[tony soprano]

Has madge gone on yet?

 

[Harvey]

Tele article below. Any thoughts? Prospects I prefer would be Woolf, Ciraldo, Hornby

NRL 2021: The coaches waiting in the wings to secure top job

Michael Maguire is fighting to save his future at Wests Tigers while a host of other coaches are coming off contract, but who’s waiting in the wings to jump into an NRL hot seat?
David Riccio and Michael Carayannis

It’s often said that such is the uncertainty of their job, rugby league coaches should never buy a home, they should rent.

With just four weeks remaining of the regular season, no other coach in the competition needs to finish with a flurry more than Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire.

The Wests Tigers players’ fight for their coach continues against wooden-spoon favourites Canterbury on Sunday.

Beyond this season, Parramatta’s Brad Arthur, Brisbane’s Kevin Walters, the Roosters’ Trent Robinson and St George Illawarra’s Anthony Griffin are off-contract at the end of 2022.

Of that quartet, Robinson would be the only coach guaranteed a contract extension.

These are the 15 past, present and possibly future mentors in the coaching queue for success-hungry clubs.

WAYNE BENNETT
(Rabbitohs head coach)
As it stands, Bennett is searching the classifieds for a job next year with his exit from Redfern just months away. It makes sense for Wests Tigers to dial Bennett back in, given how hard the Tigers chased the supercoach before eventually signing Maguire. Bennett, 71, is hanging out as long as he can to head home to Brisbane and link with a new Queensland franchise. But the NRL’s delay on expansion only enhances the Tigers’ prospects. He would bring immediate clout and commercial appeal.

DEAN YOUNG
(Cowboys assistant coach)
A future NRL coach in the eyes of many having progressed through the coaching ladder since his retirement as a player in 2012. Young got a taste of NRL coaching when he took over the Dragons for the final six matches of 2020 – winning two – after Paul McGregor was moved on. Pipped by Anthony Griffin for the head coaching role for this year, leading to him linking with Todd Payten at the Cowboys. Brings toughness and relationships with the best young talent in the game, as well as attention to detail and preparation – as he did as a player.

PAUL MCGREGOR
(NSW under-19s coach)
Axed with six games remaining in 2020, he’s the longest-serving coach of the St George Illawarra Dragons – 151 games for 70 wins and two finals campaigns. Hardworking and respected, he still has aspirations to coach in the NRL. He is staying connected to some of the best young talent as coach of the NSW under-19s.

STEVE PRICE
(Head coach Warrington)
Announced he’s headed home after four years coaching Warrington. Price has matured and developed immensely since being appointed head coach of the Dragons in 2012 at the age of 34. The defensive coach for Cronulla in their 2016 premiership season, Price led Warrington to victory in the 2019 Challenge Cup Final. The Titans, Raiders and Sharks have discussed using Price on their coaching staff in 2022.

JASON RYLES
(Roosters assistant coach in 2022)
Played for St George Illawarra, the Roosters and the Storm as well as Super League side Catalans. Left Melbourne in November to work for England rugby union coach Eddie Jones, only to have his plans curtailed by the Covid-19 pandemic. Forced to relinquish the role with Jones, Ryles has been snapped up by the Roosters as an assistant coach to Trent Robinson next season.

SHANE FLANAGAN
(Former Sharks premiership-winning coach, Fox League expert)
Outside of Wayne Bennett, Flanagan has the most successful record of any coach on the open market, taking Cronulla to six finals series in seven years, including the 2016 title. Understands what a successful roster looks like and is hungry to make up for the time he has spent out of the game.

CAMERON CIRALDO
(Penrith assistant coach)
One of the best young coaches in the game with an ambition to become an NRL coach. Ciraldo replaced Anthony Griffin at Penrith in the final six weeks of the 2018 season, winning three from six matches, and in 2019 he was pipped by Cronulla coach John Morris for the Sharks job. New Sharks coach Craig Fitzgibbon is eager to secure Ciraldo on his support staff in 2023.

ANTHONY SEIBOLD
(Knights assistant coach)
The whispers are he will finish up at the Knights this season at the end of his 12-month contract. The 2018 Dally M coach of the year with Souths switched to the Broncos in 2019 – lasting 38 games. His Broncos exit was personally taxing, but Seibold is eager to coach in the NRL again.

KRISTIAN WOOLF
(Head coach St Helens)
Has had huge success with St Helens, leading them to the premiership in his first season last year. Also won this year’s Challenge Cup. Is ready for an NRL coaching shot having had a taste as interim coach of the Knights in 2019 after stints as an assistant at North Queensland and Brisbane. Led Tonga to a position as global giant.

JOHN MORRIS
(Former Sharks coach)
Dumped as Sharks coach earlier this year despite leading the team to back-to-back finals appearances in his first years as a coach. Has agreed to be part of South Sydney’s coaching staff next year but has openly admitted he wants another crack at a head coaching job. Ex-Tigers player who featured in 72 games for the club.

SHAUN WANE
(England head coach)
Arguably the most decorated UK Super League coach. Led Wigan to five grand finals in seven years, winning three titles as well as a Challenge Cup crown. Wane left Wigan at the end of 2018 but holds out hope of landing an NRL head coaching job. Replaced Wayne Bennett as England Test coach.

BEN HORNBY
(South Sydney assistant coach)
Quietly building an impressive coaching resume. Will work alongside new South Sydney coach Jason Demetriou next season, having joined the Rabbitohs to again work with Wayne Bennett. Expressed an interest in the Dragons role last season but was not interviewed. Long earmarked as one of the next in line.

JOSH HANNAY
(Interim Cronulla coach)
Dubbed himself the NRL’s version of a nightwatchman as he became a caretaker coach for the second time in as many years – firstly at North Queensland and now Cronulla. Has agreed to remain at the Sharks next season under new coach Craig Fitzgibbon, but if he can lead Cronulla to an unlikely finals tilt this year, that will put him in good stead to take on a permanent head coaching position.

STEVE MCNAMARA
(Catalans Dragons head coach)
Leading the Catalans, who sit on top of the SuperLeague ladder, and has also tasted Challenge Cup success since joining the French club. Wants to coach in Australia. The ex-England coach had success as an assistant coach at the Roosters and the Warriors before taking over the Catalans outfit.

DAVID FURNER
(Bulldogs assistant coach)
Experienced head coach who went close to landing the job at St George Illawarra this year. Has not had a head coaching role in Australia since leaving the Raiders at the end of 2013 but has been an assistant at North Queensland, South Sydney and Newcastle before joining the Canterbury Bulldogs this year.

TODD PAYTEN
(North Queensland coach)
What a story it would be for the Tigers faithful if they could jag a 2005 premiership winner back to the club. Payten has always wanted to coach the Tigers and he has only added to his reputation since leaving. Had success as NZ Warriors coach in difficult circumstances last season before inking a three-year deal to join the Cowboys. One to watch

 

[TrueTiger]

For our mob,Bennett would be the only one to make a big difference.....but Madge aint gone yet so why worry....

 

[cochise]

Tele article below. Any thoughts? Prospects I prefer would be Woolf, Ciraldo, Hornby

NRL 2021: The coaches waiting in the wings to secure top job

Michael Maguire is fighting to save his future at Wests Tigers while a host of other coaches are coming off contract, but who’s waiting in the wings to jump into an NRL hot seat?
David Riccio and Michael Carayannis

It’s often said that such is the uncertainty of their job, rugby league coaches should never buy a home, they should rent.

With just four weeks remaining of the regular season, no other coach in the competition needs to finish with a flurry more than Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire.

The Wests Tigers players’ fight for their coach continues against wooden-spoon favourites Canterbury on Sunday.

Beyond this season, Parramatta’s Brad Arthur, Brisbane’s Kevin Walters, the Roosters’ Trent Robinson and St George Illawarra’s Anthony Griffin are off-contract at the end of 2022.

Of that quartet, Robinson would be the only coach guaranteed a contract extension.

These are the 15 past, present and possibly future mentors in the coaching queue for success-hungry clubs.

WAYNE BENNETT
(Rabbitohs head coach)
As it stands, Bennett is searching the classifieds for a job next year with his exit from Redfern just months away. It makes sense for Wests Tigers to dial Bennett back in, given how hard the Tigers chased the supercoach before eventually signing Maguire. Bennett, 71, is hanging out as long as he can to head home to Brisbane and link with a new Queensland franchise. But the NRL’s delay on expansion only enhances the Tigers’ prospects. He would bring immediate clout and commercial appeal.

DEAN YOUNG
(Cowboys assistant coach)
A future NRL coach in the eyes of many having progressed through the coaching ladder since his retirement as a player in 2012. Young got a taste of NRL coaching when he took over the Dragons for the final six matches of 2020 – winning two – after Paul McGregor was moved on. Pipped by Anthony Griffin for the head coaching role for this year, leading to him linking with Todd Payten at the Cowboys. Brings toughness and relationships with the best young talent in the game, as well as attention to detail and preparation – as he did as a player.

PAUL MCGREGOR
(NSW under-19s coach)
Axed with six games remaining in 2020, he’s the longest-serving coach of the St George Illawarra Dragons – 151 games for 70 wins and two finals campaigns. Hardworking and respected, he still has aspirations to coach in the NRL. He is staying connected to some of the best young talent as coach of the NSW under-19s.

STEVE PRICE
(Head coach Warrington)
Announced he’s headed home after four years coaching Warrington. Price has matured and developed immensely since being appointed head coach of the Dragons in 2012 at the age of 34. The defensive coach for Cronulla in their 2016 premiership season, Price led Warrington to victory in the 2019 Challenge Cup Final. The Titans, Raiders and Sharks have discussed using Price on their coaching staff in 2022.

JASON RYLES
(Roosters assistant coach in 2022)
Played for St George Illawarra, the Roosters and the Storm as well as Super League side Catalans. Left Melbourne in November to work for England rugby union coach Eddie Jones, only to have his plans curtailed by the Covid-19 pandemic. Forced to relinquish the role with Jones, Ryles has been snapped up by the Roosters as an assistant coach to Trent Robinson next season.

SHANE FLANAGAN
(Former Sharks premiership-winning coach, Fox League expert)
Outside of Wayne Bennett, Flanagan has the most successful record of any coach on the open market, taking Cronulla to six finals series in seven years, including the 2016 title. Understands what a successful roster looks like and is hungry to make up for the time he has spent out of the game.

CAMERON CIRALDO
(Penrith assistant coach)
One of the best young coaches in the game with an ambition to become an NRL coach. Ciraldo replaced Anthony Griffin at Penrith in the final six weeks of the 2018 season, winning three from six matches, and in 2019 he was pipped by Cronulla coach John Morris for the Sharks job. New Sharks coach Craig Fitzgibbon is eager to secure Ciraldo on his support staff in 2023.

ANTHONY SEIBOLD
(Knights assistant coach)
The whispers are he will finish up at the Knights this season at the end of his 12-month contract. The 2018 Dally M coach of the year with Souths switched to the Broncos in 2019 – lasting 38 games. His Broncos exit was personally taxing, but Seibold is eager to coach in the NRL again.

KRISTIAN WOOLF
(Head coach St Helens)
Has had huge success with St Helens, leading them to the premiership in his first season last year. Also won this year’s Challenge Cup. Is ready for an NRL coaching shot having had a taste as interim coach of the Knights in 2019 after stints as an assistant at North Queensland and Brisbane. Led Tonga to a position as global giant.

JOHN MORRIS
(Former Sharks coach)
Dumped as Sharks coach earlier this year despite leading the team to back-to-back finals appearances in his first years as a coach. Has agreed to be part of South Sydney’s coaching staff next year but has openly admitted he wants another crack at a head coaching job. Ex-Tigers player who featured in 72 games for the club.

SHAUN WANE
(England head coach)
Arguably the most decorated UK Super League coach. Led Wigan to five grand finals in seven years, winning three titles as well as a Challenge Cup crown. Wane left Wigan at the end of 2018 but holds out hope of landing an NRL head coaching job. Replaced Wayne Bennett as England Test coach.

BEN HORNBY
(South Sydney assistant coach)
Quietly building an impressive coaching resume. Will work alongside new South Sydney coach Jason Demetriou next season, having joined the Rabbitohs to again work with Wayne Bennett. Expressed an interest in the Dragons role last season but was not interviewed. Long earmarked as one of the next in line.

JOSH HANNAY
(Interim Cronulla coach)
Dubbed himself the NRL’s version of a nightwatchman as he became a caretaker coach for the second time in as many years – firstly at North Queensland and now Cronulla. Has agreed to remain at the Sharks next season under new coach Craig Fitzgibbon, but if he can lead Cronulla to an unlikely finals tilt this year, that will put him in good stead to take on a permanent head coaching position.

STEVE MCNAMARA
(Catalans Dragons head coach)
Leading the Catalans, who sit on top of the SuperLeague ladder, and has also tasted Challenge Cup success since joining the French club. Wants to coach in Australia. The ex-England coach had success as an assistant coach at the Roosters and the Warriors before taking over the Catalans outfit.

DAVID FURNER
(Bulldogs assistant coach)
Experienced head coach who went close to landing the job at St George Illawarra this year. Has not had a head coaching role in Australia since leaving the Raiders at the end of 2013 but has been an assistant at North Queensland, South Sydney and Newcastle before joining the Canterbury Bulldogs this year.

TODD PAYTEN
(North Queensland coach)
What a story it would be for the Tigers faithful if they could jag a 2005 premiership winner back to the club. Payten has always wanted to coach the Tigers and he has only added to his reputation since leaving. Had success as NZ Warriors coach in difficult circumstances last season before inking a three-year deal to join the Cowboys. One to watch

I have problems with each and everyone of those as a coach.

 

[Telltails]

The common thing that the best teams have is a nucleus of quality players. Sack Maguire - we will still have a bottom 8 roster for the incoming coach and struggle to recruit, with a renewed level of expectation on the squad and new guy - business as usual.