Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[Needaname]

Hi needaname.
Thanks for reply. I agree there are different things to consider, there are different viewpoints and Maguire must have some positive attributes. But I think he has simply run his race here. I think he does not have the ability to be flexible or to adapt. Time to move on for the sake of both parties I think.
Cheers

I’m willing to give him a year of working with Sheens. He looks to Sheens as a mentor / figure of influence and said as much even before the club looked to bring him back to the club. Will do wonders I think as I believe Madge is the sort of guy that would even review his own performance at seasons end. I don’t hear Madge shifting blame to anyone else. A heap of sides around us were expected to do far better than us this year so there will be a fair bit of player movement end of season I believe. And with our cap space we should benefit the most.

No blame shifting? What was that comment about finding more males?

Asking the men to find it within themselves.

Blameshifting

I’m sure if Madge could put on a jersey and do it himself he would. I don’t understand how that’s blame shifting?

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I think it’s pretty easy next year, it will be madges 4th full year at the club with a roster entirely constructed by him. We are a win or two out of the eight this season (with probably 4 wins we should have made comfortably but lost). So next year it’s make the eight or don’t get a new contract. Very fair and very simple. Do now down to the press pressure after 8 rounds etc. that’s going to lead no where. One last year to make the eight or no new contract but we will back you all year. And there will be no dumb recruitment with sheens hartigan etc involved so the risk for another full year is very low.

agreed next year make 8 or bust for Maguire

 

[KingRobbie]

Maguire has lost the sheds which means it’s even more critical he leaves in this day and age.

In the social media age, all the players from the different clubs talk to each other. Our players don’t like Madge, meaning when other players ask about him in the rare possibility we convince someone to join us, the players will tell them and potential deals could be scuppered.

He must go.

Gee..I hope the next guy fairs better with the dressing sheds...Sheens lost the sheds.. Potter lost the Sheds..Taylor never had the sheds... Voldamort burnt down the sheds.. starting to see a pattern here...new sheds..

I agree there is for sure cultural and complacency issues here thanks to being poor for so many years, but doesn't take away from the fact the playing group doesn't play for him, and he must leave imo.

I've heard some terrible things about Maguire's approaches to coaching in recent times which sways my opinion but it should be obvious to all that he has not and will never adapt to the modern game.

He's cooked. Done for. Finished.

So let me get this straight. The players that we currently have respect the other players that much that they will suggest not to join the club with them and help them compete because they know themselves they are on a hiding to nothing with Madge. I suppose they are just holding on waiting for Madge to be sacked then they will break their new deals with the other clubs and come on board.
Please!

Yes, players do ask what the coach is like from players from other clubs they know. It’s the social media age, all the players know each other and are friends. Can be ignorant to it all you want but this is the truth.

Never said that there’s gonna be an influx of signings as soon as he leaves, but Madge staying will make the situation much much worse.

 

[jag]

I think it’s pretty easy next year, it will be madges 4th full year at the club with a roster entirely constructed by him. We are a win or two out of the eight this season (with probably 4 wins we should have made comfortably but lost). So next year it’s make the eight or don’t get a new contract. Very fair and very simple. Do now down to the press pressure after 8 rounds etc. that’s going to lead no where. One last year to make the eight or no new contract but we will back you all year. And there will be no dumb recruitment with sheens hartigan etc involved so the risk for another full year is very low.

agreed next year make 8 or bust for Maguire

We won’t be making the 8 next year either with virtually the same roster.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I think it’s pretty easy next year, it will be madges 4th full year at the club with a roster entirely constructed by him. We are a win or two out of the eight this season (with probably 4 wins we should have made comfortably but lost). So next year it’s make the eight or don’t get a new contract. Very fair and very simple. Do now down to the press pressure after 8 rounds etc. that’s going to lead no where. One last year to make the eight or no new contract but we will back you all year. And there will be no dumb recruitment with sheens hartigan etc involved so the risk for another full year is very low.

agreed next year make 8 or bust for Maguire

We won’t be making the 8 next year either with virtually the same roster.

depressing
then madge gets punted mid next year then

 

[yeahcaz]

I think it’s pretty easy next year, it will be madges 4th full year at the club with a roster entirely constructed by him. We are a win or two out of the eight this season (with probably 4 wins we should have made comfortably but lost). So next year it’s make the eight or don’t get a new contract. Very fair and very simple. Do now down to the press pressure after 8 rounds etc. that’s going to lead no where. One last year to make the eight or no new contract but we will back you all year. And there will be no dumb recruitment with sheens hartigan etc involved so the risk for another full year is very low.

The roster is no different next year. It’s 2 players from England. Every other club challenging for the 8 bar probably the cowboys have actually made significant signings to boost their chances, we haven’t.

Why go through another year of crap with the same coach and the same team. One thing has to change and it obviously won’t be the players because we need 4-5 changes and we can’t recruit anyone. Asking this fan group for patience is absolutely ridiculous. Especially when we’ve seen no improvement as a team only in individuals. We will get the spoon next year with Maguire, that I’m fairly confident in.

 

[yeahcaz]

I think it’s pretty easy next year, it will be madges 4th full year at the club with a roster entirely constructed by him. We are a win or two out of the eight this season (with probably 4 wins we should have made comfortably but lost). So next year it’s make the eight or don’t get a new contract. Very fair and very simple. Do now down to the press pressure after 8 rounds etc. that’s going to lead no where. One last year to make the eight or no new contract but we will back you all year. And there will be no dumb recruitment with sheens hartigan etc involved so the risk for another full year is very low.

agreed next year make 8 or bust for Maguire

We won’t be making the 8 next year either with virtually the same roster.

depressing
then madge gets punted mid next year then

So just do it now ?

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I think it’s pretty easy next year, it will be madges 4th full year at the club with a roster entirely constructed by him. We are a win or two out of the eight this season (with probably 4 wins we should have made comfortably but lost). So next year it’s make the eight or don’t get a new contract. Very fair and very simple. Do now down to the press pressure after 8 rounds etc. that’s going to lead no where. One last year to make the eight or no new contract but we will back you all year. And there will be no dumb recruitment with sheens hartigan etc involved so the risk for another full year is very low.

agreed next year make 8 or bust for Maguire

We won’t be making the 8 next year either with virtually the same roster.

depressing
then madge gets punted mid next year then

So just do it now ?

happy to but they won't

 

[clontarfkid]

I think it’s pretty easy next year, it will be madges 4th full year at the club with a roster entirely constructed by him. We are a win or two out of the eight this season (with probably 4 wins we should have made comfortably but lost). So next year it’s make the eight or don’t get a new contract. Very fair and very simple. Do now down to the press pressure after 8 rounds etc. that’s going to lead no where. One last year to make the eight or no new contract but we will back you all year. And there will be no dumb recruitment with sheens hartigan etc involved so the risk for another full year is very low.

agreed next year make 8 or bust for Maguire

We won’t be making the 8 next year either with virtually the same roster.

depressing
then madge gets punted mid next year then

So just do it now ?

happy to but they won't

I think they will punt Madge actually..good guy and all,but ..
Very clear that he's lost this dressing room...and we cant find anyone else to get on board with him at the helm.Were consigned to another yr of mediocrity,with realistically very few green shoots
Its an untenable situation,particularly in the eyes of heavy hitters Lee and Harry...Im guessing we see this season out,and sometime in Sept/Oct we announce his replacement
No senior coach wld risk their reputation on WTs,so count out Bennett & co ..and Flanagan /Green dont fit the image were attempting to portray
So it will be one of Morris or Ciraldo Im guessing..overseen by Sheens
Its the only sensible course I can see
Its over

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

I think it’s pretty easy next year, it will be madges 4th full year at the club with a roster entirely constructed by him. We are a win or two out of the eight this season (with probably 4 wins we should have made comfortably but lost). So next year it’s make the eight or don’t get a new contract. Very fair and very simple. Do now down to the press pressure after 8 rounds etc. that’s going to lead no where. One last year to make the eight or no new contract but we will back you all year. And there will be no dumb recruitment with sheens hartigan etc involved so the risk for another full year is very low.

agreed next year make 8 or bust for Maguire

We won’t be making the 8 next year either with virtually the same roster.

depressing
then madge gets punted mid next year then

So just do it now ?

happy to but they won't

I think they will punt Madge actually..good guy and all,but ..
Very clear that he's lost this dressing room...and we cant find anyone else to get on board with him at the helm.Were consigned to another yr of mediocrity,with realistically very few green shoots
Its an untenable situation,particularly in the eyes of heavy hitters Lee and Harry...Im guessing we see this season out,and sometime in Sept/Oct we announce his replacement
No senior coach wld risk their reputation on WTs,so count out Bennett & co ..and Flanagan /Green dont fit the image were attempting to portray
So it will be one of Morris or Ciraldo Im guessing..overseen by Sheens
Its the only sensible course I can see
Its over

if madge does get punted then
Morris working with sheens

 

[hobbo1]

Yesterday was a debacle. But it was to be expected. I thought we’d get flogged. Why? Because we are not in touch with the modern game.
Andrew Johns wrote a column this week where he said that the average teams – ie teams like us – are playing the game in a style that is reminiscent of the Storm of two to three years ago. And he is right.
Like many on this forum I have been watching the game for a long time (the 70s in my case). I have absolutely no idea what our defensive structure is. And it seems nor do the players. What appears to happen though is that it is easy for teams to get overlaps on us.
Nor do we have a ”shape” in attack that is suitable to the modern game. Our attack is the standard attack trotted out by standard teams. The game has moved on – it is a far cry from 2014.
I do not blame the players. Shapes and strategies in attack and defence are the responsibility of coaching staff, not players.
It is blindingly obvious that Maguire must be tapped. Let him finish this season then we should say goodbye. His recent record as a coach demands nothing less. In the last four years his record is pretty bad: in 2016 and 2017, Souths came 12th; at the Tigers he kept us at 9th in 2019, then 11th in 2021. This year we are sliding down to 13th. In the last two years he has about a 30% win rate.
His time is up. His ranting and raving is boring and shows he is limited. Sheens first job must be to get another coach for next year.
I reckon we are headed for the spoon under Maguire next year. I do not see the club improving under him.

Would the current playing group drop less
balls under a new coach ?
Would Brooks’s kicking game improve under a new coach ( it’s been 8 years)
Would Nofo stop chasing butterflies under a new coach ?

 

[mike]

Maguire has lost the sheds which means it’s even more critical he leaves in this day and age.

In the social media age, all the players from the different clubs talk to each other. Our players don’t like Madge, meaning when other players ask about him in the rare possibility we convince someone to join us, the players will tell them and potential deals could be scuppered.

He must go.

Gee..I hope the next guy fairs better with the dressing sheds...Sheens lost the sheds.. Potter lost the Sheds..Taylor never had the sheds... Voldamort burnt down the sheds.. starting to see a pattern here...new sheds..

I agree there is for sure cultural and complacency issues here thanks to being poor for so many years, but doesn't take away from the fact the playing group doesn't play for him, and he must leave imo.

I've heard some terrible things about Maguire's approaches to coaching in recent times which sways my opinion but it should be obvious to all that he has not and will never adapt to the modern game.

He's cooked. Done for. Finished.

The playing group aren’t playing as a team. It’s somebody’s else’s job to stop the try scorer improving the position as an example. It’s attitude and that’s all on the players

 

[Needaname]

Maguire has lost the sheds which means it’s even more critical he leaves in this day and age.

In the social media age, all the players from the different clubs talk to each other. Our players don’t like Madge, meaning when other players ask about him in the rare possibility we convince someone to join us, the players will tell them and potential deals could be scuppered.

He must go.

Gee..I hope the next guy fairs better with the dressing sheds...Sheens lost the sheds.. Potter lost the Sheds..Taylor never had the sheds... Voldamort burnt down the sheds.. starting to see a pattern here...new sheds..

I agree there is for sure cultural and complacency issues here thanks to being poor for so many years, but doesn't take away from the fact the playing group doesn't play for him, and he must leave imo.

I've heard some terrible things about Maguire's approaches to coaching in recent times which sways my opinion but it should be obvious to all that he has not and will never adapt to the modern game.

He's cooked. Done for. Finished.

So let me get this straight. The players that we currently have respect the other players that much that they will suggest not to join the club with them and help them compete because they know themselves they are on a hiding to nothing with Madge. I suppose they are just holding on waiting for Madge to be sacked then they will break their new deals with the other clubs and come on board.
Please!

Yes, players do ask what the coach is like from players from other clubs they know. It’s the social media age, all the players know each other and are friends. Can be ignorant to it all you want but this is the truth.

Never said that there’s gonna be an influx of signings as soon as he leaves, but Madge staying will make the situation much much worse.

But my point is wouldn’t the players sign given that there is a big chance that the coach is on the rocks anyway.

 

[tigerfan59]

I would like to see Madge with us next year with Sheens because I think he really cares about the Tigers and hopefully things will change for the better and as for the players who don’t really want to be at the Tigers,then just go so we can get players who want to play for the jersey not just the money

 

[tigerap]

You can speculate till the sun comes down, Madge ain’t going nowhere peeps..youth is our future sprinkled with experienced players who WANT to be here…the club has accepted this direction and is backing Madge… There will be a full review after the season ends, expect new assistant coaches next year….

 

[KingRobbie]

Maguire has lost the sheds which means it’s even more critical he leaves in this day and age.

In the social media age, all the players from the different clubs talk to each other. Our players don’t like Madge, meaning when other players ask about him in the rare possibility we convince someone to join us, the players will tell them and potential deals could be scuppered.

He must go.

Gee..I hope the next guy fairs better with the dressing sheds...Sheens lost the sheds.. Potter lost the Sheds..Taylor never had the sheds... Voldamort burnt down the sheds.. starting to see a pattern here...new sheds..

I agree there is for sure cultural and complacency issues here thanks to being poor for so many years, but doesn't take away from the fact the playing group doesn't play for him, and he must leave imo.

I've heard some terrible things about Maguire's approaches to coaching in recent times which sways my opinion but it should be obvious to all that he has not and will never adapt to the modern game.

He's cooked. Done for. Finished.

So let me get this straight. The players that we currently have respect the other players that much that they will suggest not to join the club with them and help them compete because they know themselves they are on a hiding to nothing with Madge. I suppose they are just holding on waiting for Madge to be sacked then they will break their new deals with the other clubs and come on board.
Please!

Yes, players do ask what the coach is like from players from other clubs they know. It’s the social media age, all the players know each other and are friends. Can be ignorant to it all you want but this is the truth.

Never said that there’s gonna be an influx of signings as soon as he leaves, but Madge staying will make the situation much much worse.

But my point is wouldn’t the players sign given that there is a big chance that the coach is on the rocks anyway.

Well the club has made no implication that Madge’s job is on the ropes at all, publicly and from my knowledge behind the scenes.

I disagree with it, but I think his job is safe.

 

[tony soprano]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/nrl/wests-tigers-face-another-offseason-of-soulsearching-and-sacrifice/news-story/eb1409c74e8abab49ffa67411bc5636f

 

[tony soprano]

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Lee Hagipantelis put on a brave face on Sunday but even the Wests Tigers’ eternally-optimistic chair conceded the club was destined to finish another year without finals football.

Truth be told, they were gone weeks ago. Once again, the Tigers will end their season with little to suggest they will be a lot better next year.

They have more than $1 million of salary cap space burning a hole in their pocket but are yet to make a notable signing other than Super League stars Jackson Hastings and Oliver Gildart, two players who will need to convince plenty that they can cut it in the NRL.

Their off-season is set to be dominated by speculation over the two most crucial figures at their club – coach Michael Maguire and halfback Luke Brooks.


It seems hard to believe at least one won’t be gone at some point in coming months. Brooks already has rival clubs eyeing him off, although Hagipantelis on Sunday insisted he was going nowhere amid talk that he was being shopped around.

“It is not the club,” Hagipantelis said in response to reports clubs were being contacted about Brooks.

“He has two years left on his contract and there has been no suggestion at any level that Luke Brooks is leaving the club.”

Maguire too retains the support of the club, although Hagipantelis could not offer guarantees on what would happen over the off-season after his side’s disappointing loss to Cronulla on Saturday afternoon.

“I don’t like using the word guarantee,” he said.

“I can’t guarantee Gladys will be the premier next Monday but he (Brooks) has a two-year contract with the club and we expect it to be fulfilled.

“No point in shying away with it – incredibly disappointed for the fans and members and the club. Their season was on the line (against the Sharks) and they just didn’t turn up and get the job done.

“It was not the quality or level that we were anticipating. Immediately the focus shifts on the coach. I understand why people ask the questions.

“From a club perspective we have to commit and show faith. It is all about strategic planning, not splashing lots of money around to pay overs and get marquee players here for a short-term solutions.”

The Tigers recruitment – or inability to add quality to their squad – remains an issue. Hagipantelis insists some of the commentary has been askew.

The club has recently been linked to Canterbury forward Luke Thompson, who has since decided to stay at the Bulldogs. There was talk of a three-year offer.

Hagipantelis says no deal was ever tabled. They were in the mix for Dale Finucane but he elected to join Cronulla after the Sharks blew the Tigers out of the water with a four-year-deal.

“There has been no offer to Luke Thompson,” Hagipantelis said.

“It is a narrative that is feeding on itself and that is the problem. The perception becomes the reality. We missed out on Finucane but Dale got four years at Cronulla.

“We were never offering four years. If he had signed for two years with someone else you are comparing apples and apples. So that is unfair.

“Any the end of the year there is a review. You have to identify the areas that need to be addressed. Was the effort there yesterday or not?

“If not, why not. If there has to be some fine tuning then there has to be. If something is not working, identify it and fix it.

“We have money available for next year. We have to be very strategic in what we do. There are a lot of good signs there – there are a lot of young players coming through.”

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[Rowdy12]

Madge isnt helping himself with his assistant coaches who both seem like carbon copies of him. My mate whos a Souths fan said Souths made Madge sack Wayne Collins after the 2016 season as they felt the game had gone past him. So then we allow Madge to rehire him 5 years later LOL

 

[Madge]

I see a lot of similarities between my mathematics tutor and myself to Madge and the playing group. I get there are differences between studying maths and playing a season of rugby league but both require discipline and hard work in their own ways if you want to achieve results. My tutor was Madge in everyway possible - extremely high standards, demanding and passionate for success. As a student, if I didn't meet those standards, I felt at times that I couldn't open up about how I felt I was progressing or even if there was simple things that I needed to work on I just felt like I would be shamed if I said anything so I wouldn't. No matter how many times I wouldn't get results desired, he'd tell the class that I do this because I want you to be successful and I care for you, I know you have it in you but you need to put the effort in. Which was true although I found that his style at times was just words and not t implemented through actions I perceived as care as well as being demotivating when things were not going well. On the other hand, those students that had the drive themselves to get things themselves only needed fine tuning and the equipment to succeed that bit more.

To put short - I trialled another tutor simultaneously and his method allowed me to address my shortcomings and help better hone my skills and regain confidence in what I did. To put it into rugby league terms for you, he reminded me a lot of Ivan Cleary's style. Relaxed, easy to talk to and has a generally good understanding of how to be successful.

This may be the case with the WT player or it may just be that the contexts are on different sides of the spectrum but I can understand if it were the case. He isn't going to be the coach for everyone, but he would be a great coach for some. Nurturing young juniors in this system may enable success in understanding his methods, if that is the case it is probably going to take a bit longer than expected. Just my two cents.