Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[tigertye]

Madge has been fighting an uphill battle that every other coach has failed to fix year on year. I honestly believe that if someone with the mentality of Madge can’t fix us, no one can. He gives every ounce of energy he has to trying to make us better.

I honestly believe he needs some better assistants around him.

I wish the club would invest as much ammo into this area as it possibly can. Sheens will help tremendously, but we need the best defensive coaches, attacking coaches, kicking coaches to get involved and help Madge. That’s the big key in my opinion. I think he takes too much on on his own and needs to share the load more.

We need players who want to win at all costs. Look at Melbourne, look at Penrith. They’re teams that hate losing one game a season. I think by finding the best of the best assistants (whether they’re precious NRL coaches or not) with the same work ethic and vision as Madge is what’s needed to turn our fortunes around.

Maybe the mentality is too much.

It might be for loser players. Is Bellamy too tough for the Storm?

You know Bellamy isn't like that 24/7 right? He develops better relationships with his players.

How do you know he develops better relationships? Bellamy is an intense dude when it comes to switching on, as is Madge. It’s part of the job. Madge is a decent human and cares about his players as well. The difference is Bellamy has players around him who want to be the best and compete every week. We have a bunch of kids who point the finger at each other. Madge is trying to turn these boys into men but half of them seem too stupid to see it and buy in.

Tigers players for far too long have taken the mickey. They’re well-paid players and should be accountable. People need to stop blaming the coach, the coach doesn’t let in 38 points against the wooden spooners. It was abysmal, no effort and pathetic.

Madge isn’t without fault, but he means well and I believe is doing the best he can with a mess that was left to him. He just needs to surround himself with some better coaching support and recruit players who want to win, can follow a game plan and genuinely want to be successful.

 

[cochise]

Madge has been fighting an uphill battle that every other coach has failed to fix year on year. I honestly believe that if someone with the mentality of Madge can’t fix us, no one can. He gives every ounce of energy he has to trying to make us better.

I honestly believe he needs some better assistants around him.

I wish the club would invest as much ammo into this area as it possibly can. Sheens will help tremendously, but we need the best defensive coaches, attacking coaches, kicking coaches to get involved and help Madge. That’s the big key in my opinion. I think he takes too much on on his own and needs to share the load more.

We need players who want to win at all costs. Look at Melbourne, look at Penrith. They’re teams that hate losing one game a season. I think by finding the best of the best assistants (whether they’re precious NRL coaches or not) with the same work ethic and vision as Madge is what’s needed to turn our fortunes around.

Maybe the mentality is too much.

It might be for loser players. Is Bellamy too tough for the Storm?

You know Bellamy isn't like that 24/7 right? He develops better relationships with his players.

How do you know he develops better relationships? Bellamy is an intense dude when it comes to switching on, as is Madge. It’s part of the job. Madge is a decent human and cares about his players as well. The difference is Bellamy has players around him who want to be the best and compete every week. We have a bunch of kids who point the finger at each other. Madge is trying to turn these boys into men but half of them seem too stupid to see it and buy in.

Tigers players for far too long have taken the mickey. They’re well-paid players and should be accountable. People need to stop blaming the coach, the coach doesn’t let in 38 points against the wooden spooners. It was abysmal, no effort and pathetic.

Madge isn’t without fault, but he means well and I believe is doing the best he can with a mess that was left to him. He just needs to surround himself with some better coaching support and recruit players who want to win, can follow a game plan and genuinely want to be successful.

I would say the fact that Bellamy has been at the same club for going on 20 years and has never been sacked would be a pretty strong indication that he builds strong relationships, never heard rumours of players saying a bad thing about him, in fact most of them love him and relentlessly take the mickey out of him, doesn't seem like they are walking on egg shells to me.

Madge is about to be sacked at his second club with rumours abounding once again that it is due to a loss of relationship between him and the players. Madge seems to be a bit of a contradiction, all fire and brimstone but rumours abound that he is unable to have difficult conversations one on one.

No one is saying he isn't passionate, that he doesn't care about his players, though he has thrown them under the bus the last few weeks, or that he is a horrible human being. I am willing to say that he is having issues connecting with players and getting the best out of them.

 

[Telltails]

Madge has been fighting an uphill battle that every other coach has failed to fix year on year. I honestly believe that if someone with the mentality of Madge can’t fix us, no one can. He gives every ounce of energy he has to trying to make us better.

I honestly believe he needs some better assistants around him.

I wish the club would invest as much ammo into this area as it possibly can. Sheens will help tremendously, but we need the best defensive coaches, attacking coaches, kicking coaches to get involved and help Madge. That’s the big key in my opinion. I think he takes too much on on his own and needs to share the load more.

We need players who want to win at all costs. Look at Melbourne, look at Penrith. They’re teams that hate losing one game a season. I think by finding the best of the best assistants (whether they’re precious NRL coaches or not) with the same work ethic and vision as Madge is what’s needed to turn our fortunes around.

Maybe the mentality is too much.

It might be for loser players. Is Bellamy too tough for the Storm?

You know Bellamy isn't like that 24/7 right? He develops better relationships with his players.

How do you know he develops better relationships? Bellamy is an intense dude when it comes to switching on, as is Madge. It’s part of the job. Madge is a decent human and cares about his players as well. The difference is Bellamy has players around him who want to be the best and compete every week. We have a bunch of kids who point the finger at each other. Madge is trying to turn these boys into men but half of them seem too stupid to see it and buy in.

Tigers players for far too long have taken the mickey. They’re well-paid players and should be accountable. People need to stop blaming the coach, the coach doesn’t let in 38 points against the wooden spooners. It was abysmal, no effort and pathetic.

Madge isn’t without fault, but he means well and I believe is doing the best he can with a mess that was left to him. He just needs to surround himself with some better coaching support and recruit players who want to win, can follow a game plan and genuinely want to be successful.

I would say the fact that Bellamy has been at the same club for going on 20 years and has never been sacked would be a pretty strong indication that he builds strong relationships, never heard rumours of players saying a bad thing about him, in fact most of them love him and relentlessly take the mickey out of him, doesn't seem like they are walking on egg shells to me.

Madge is about to be sacked at his second club with rumours abounding once again that it is due to a loss of relationship between him and the players. Madge seems to be a bit of a contradiction, all fire and brimstone but rumours abound that he is unable to have difficult conversations one on one.

No one is saying he isn't passionate, that he doesn't care about his players, though he has thrown them under the bus the last few weeks, or that he is a horrible human being. I am willing to say that he is having issues connecting with players and getting the best out of them.

The way I see it Bellamy for the best part of his career has had leaders on and off the field - the best players in the game - who showed any players that came to the club what is expected of them to become winners. If they couldn't handle it or the coach their is no room for them nor are they needed.
Our club has a history of its most experienced players being the ones who lead the charge on the coach when they don't perform on the field - full of excuses yet for last ten seasons have achieved zilch.
Bellamy is renowned for telling players what they need to hear when they don't perform - heard it from Munster when he was not putting in - the big difference is the system attracts players who want to win and when have we ever been a club that attracts those type of players?
Maguire is gone but quite frankly I find it embarrassing that it will be at the expense of the performances of the current playing group. I use to laugh at the whole culture thing as being an over used buzz word but it seems we continuously bow down to players who don't cut it and our results won't change while ever that is the case.

 

[BAGNF05]

Madge has been fighting an uphill battle that every other coach has failed to fix year on year. I honestly believe that if someone with the mentality of Madge can’t fix us, no one can. He gives every ounce of energy he has to trying to make us better.

I honestly believe he needs some better assistants around him.

I wish the club would invest as much ammo into this area as it possibly can. Sheens will help tremendously, but we need the best defensive coaches, attacking coaches, kicking coaches to get involved and help Madge. That’s the big key in my opinion. I think he takes too much on on his own and needs to share the load more.

We need players who want to win at all costs. Look at Melbourne, look at Penrith. They’re teams that hate losing one game a season. I think by finding the best of the best assistants (whether they’re precious NRL coaches or not) with the same work ethic and vision as Madge is what’s needed to turn our fortunes around.

Maybe the mentality is too much.

It might be for loser players. Is Bellamy too tough for the Storm?

You know Bellamy isn't like that 24/7 right? He develops better relationships with his players.

How do you know he develops better relationships? Bellamy is an intense dude when it comes to switching on, as is Madge. It’s part of the job. Madge is a decent human and cares about his players as well. The difference is Bellamy has players around him who want to be the best and compete every week. We have a bunch of kids who point the finger at each other. Madge is trying to turn these boys into men but half of them seem too stupid to see it and buy in.

Tigers players for far too long have taken the mickey. They’re well-paid players and should be accountable. People need to stop blaming the coach, the coach doesn’t let in 38 points against the wooden spooners. It was abysmal, no effort and pathetic.

Madge isn’t without fault, but he means well and I believe is doing the best he can with a mess that was left to him. He just needs to surround himself with some better coaching support and recruit players who want to win, can follow a game plan and genuinely want to be successful.

I would say the fact that Bellamy has been at the same club for going on 20 years and has never been sacked would be a pretty strong indication that he builds strong relationships, never heard rumours of players saying a bad thing about him, in fact most of them love him and relentlessly take the mickey out of him, doesn't seem like they are walking on egg shells to me.

Madge is about to be sacked at his second club with rumours abounding once again that it is due to a loss of relationship between him and the players. Madge seems to be a bit of a contradiction, all fire and brimstone but rumours abound that he is unable to have difficult conversations one on one.

No one is saying he isn't passionate, that he doesn't care about his players, though he has thrown them under the bus the last few weeks, or that he is a horrible human being. I am willing to say that he is having issues connecting with players and getting the best out of them.

The way I see it Bellamy for the best part of his career has had leaders on and off the field - the best players in the game - who showed any players that came to the club what is expected of them to become winners. If they couldn't handle it or the coach their is no room for them nor are they needed.
Our club has a history of its most experienced players being the ones who lead the charge on the coach when they don't perform on the field - full of excuses yet for last ten seasons have achieved zilch.
Bellamy is renowned for telling players what they need to hear when they don't perform - heard it from Munster when he was not putting in - the big difference is the system attracts players who want to win and when have we ever been a club that attracts those type of players?
Maguire is gone but quite frankly I find it embarrassing that it will be at the expense of the performances of the current playing group. I use to laugh at the whole culture thing as being an over used buzz word but it seems we continuously bow down to players who don't cut it and our results won't change while ever that is the case.

Couldn’t agree more.

 

[GCfan]

Lee rates our squad and says the football Dept is well resourced training in demountables and we're blaming the coach? There was the usual offseason optimism on here, as there will be next year, but this squad is not good. It's much better built to succeed in the future but Lee is mad if he thinks this team compares to any squad in the top 10.

The demountables are not an excuse lol, they are pretty good, temporary and an upgrade to what we had before.

I bet Souths, Broncos, Penrith, Melbourne, roosters, gold coast, Canberra and every single other club were absolutely drooling at our setup. Maybe manly have it worse? Maybe. Not an excuse, but I think saying it's well resourced is an absolute joke.

You have seen what it will be next year?

And the demountable are 10 times better than what they had before, look rough on the outside but are good on the inside.

Next year looks good. Coach didn't have the benefit of next year this year.

Dean Pay Mk II

 

[GCfan]

Madge has been fighting an uphill battle that every other coach has failed to fix year on year. I honestly believe that if someone with the mentality of Madge can’t fix us, no one can. He gives every ounce of energy he has to trying to make us better.

I honestly believe he needs some better assistants around him.

I wish the club would invest as much ammo into this area as it possibly can. Sheens will help tremendously, but we need the best defensive coaches, attacking coaches, kicking coaches to get involved and help Madge. That’s the big key in my opinion. I think he takes too much on on his own and needs to share the load more.

We need players who want to win at all costs. Look at Melbourne, look at Penrith. They’re teams that hate losing one game a season. I think by finding the best of the best assistants (whether they’re precious NRL coaches or not) with the same work ethic and vision as Madge is what’s needed to turn our fortunes around.

Maybe the mentality is too much.

It might be for loser players. Is Bellamy too tough for the Storm?

You know Bellamy isn't like that 24/7 right? He develops better relationships with his players.

How do you know he develops better relationships? Bellamy is an intense dude when it comes to switching on, as is Madge. It’s part of the job. Madge is a decent human and cares about his players as well. The difference is Bellamy has players around him who want to be the best and compete every week. We have a bunch of kids who point the finger at each other. Madge is trying to turn these boys into men but half of them seem too stupid to see it and buy in.

Tigers players for far too long have taken the mickey. They’re well-paid players and should be accountable. People need to stop blaming the coach, the coach doesn’t let in 38 points against the wooden spooners. It was abysmal, no effort and pathetic.

Madge isn’t without fault, but he means well and I believe is doing the best he can with a mess that was left to him. He just needs to surround himself with some better coaching support and recruit players who want to win, can follow a game plan and genuinely want to be successful.

I would say the fact that Bellamy has been at the same club for going on 20 years and has never been sacked would be a pretty strong indication that he builds strong relationships, never heard rumours of players saying a bad thing about him, in fact most of them love him and relentlessly take the mickey out of him, doesn't seem like they are walking on egg shells to me.

Madge is about to be sacked at his second club with rumours abounding once again that it is due to a loss of relationship between him and the players. Madge seems to be a bit of a contradiction, all fire and brimstone but rumours abound that he is unable to have difficult conversations one on one.

No one is saying he isn't passionate, that he doesn't care about his players, though he has thrown them under the bus the last few weeks, or that he is a horrible human being. I am willing to say that he is having issues connecting with players and getting the best out of them.

The way I see it Bellamy for the best part of his career has had leaders on and off the field - the best players in the game - who showed any players that came to the club what is expected of them to become winners. If they couldn't handle it or the coach their is no room for them nor are they needed.
Our club has a history of its most experienced players being the ones who lead the charge on the coach when they don't perform on the field - full of excuses yet for last ten seasons have achieved zilch.
Bellamy is renowned for telling players what they need to hear when they don't perform - heard it from Munster when he was not putting in - the big difference is the system attracts players who want to win and when have we ever been a club that attracts those type of players?
Maguire is gone but quite frankly I find it embarrassing that it will be at the expense of the performances of the current playing group. I use to laugh at the whole culture thing as being an over used buzz word but it seems we continuously bow down to players who don't cut it and our results won't change while ever that is the case.

I agree with the player issue but we can’t promote from within as we don’t have the depth and we can’t seem to attract better due to perceptions about the coach / club / CEO / board or whatever combination it is.

I’ve been indifferent regarding Madge but what I now think is he has to go to attempt to release the pressure and hopefully open talks with some better players.

I firmly believe we need major changes to the roster to compliment and improve our youth and if getting rid of Madge allows this to commence then it needs to happen and in the next fortnight. The spare cap money we’ve now got needs to be spent by whoever is here for the next 2 or 3 years not by someone who is on the way out.

 

[tony soprano]

Madge has been fighting an uphill battle that every other coach has failed to fix year on year. I honestly believe that if someone with the mentality of Madge can’t fix us, no one can. He gives every ounce of energy he has to trying to make us better.

I honestly believe he needs some better assistants around him.

I wish the club would invest as much ammo into this area as it possibly can. Sheens will help tremendously, but we need the best defensive coaches, attacking coaches, kicking coaches to get involved and help Madge. That’s the big key in my opinion. I think he takes too much on on his own and needs to share the load more.

We need players who want to win at all costs. Look at Melbourne, look at Penrith. They’re teams that hate losing one game a season. I think by finding the best of the best assistants (whether they’re precious NRL coaches or not) with the same work ethic and vision as Madge is what’s needed to turn our fortunes around.

Maybe the mentality is too much.

It might be for loser players. Is Bellamy too tough for the Storm?

You know Bellamy isn't like that 24/7 right? He develops better relationships with his players.

How do you know he develops better relationships? Bellamy is an intense dude when it comes to switching on, as is Madge. It’s part of the job. Madge is a decent human and cares about his players as well. The difference is Bellamy has players around him who want to be the best and compete every week. We have a bunch of kids who point the finger at each other. Madge is trying to turn these boys into men but half of them seem too stupid to see it and buy in.

Tigers players for far too long have taken the mickey. They’re well-paid players and should be accountable. People need to stop blaming the coach, the coach doesn’t let in 38 points against the wooden spooners. It was abysmal, no effort and pathetic.

Madge isn’t without fault, but he means well and I believe is doing the best he can with a mess that was left to him. He just needs to surround himself with some better coaching support and recruit players who want to win, can follow a game plan and genuinely want to be successful.

I would say the fact that Bellamy has been at the same club for going on 20 years and has never been sacked would be a pretty strong indication that he builds strong relationships, never heard rumours of players saying a bad thing about him, in fact most of them love him and relentlessly take the mickey out of him, doesn't seem like they are walking on egg shells to me.

Madge is about to be sacked at his second club with rumours abounding once again that it is due to a loss of relationship between him and the players. Madge seems to be a bit of a contradiction, all fire and brimstone but rumours abound that he is unable to have difficult conversations one on one.

No one is saying he isn't passionate, that he doesn't care about his players, though he has thrown them under the bus the last few weeks, or that he is a horrible human being. I am willing to say that he is having issues connecting with players and getting the best out of them.

The way I see it Bellamy for the best part of his career has had leaders on and off the field - the best players in the game - who showed any players that came to the club what is expected of them to become winners. If they couldn't handle it or the coach their is no room for them nor are they needed.
Our club has a history of its most experienced players being the ones who lead the charge on the coach when they don't perform on the field - full of excuses yet for last ten seasons have achieved zilch.
Bellamy is renowned for telling players what they need to hear when they don't perform - heard it from Munster when he was not putting in - the big difference is the system attracts players who want to win and when have we ever been a club that attracts those type of players?
Maguire is gone but quite frankly I find it embarrassing that it will be at the expense of the performances of the current playing group. I use to laugh at the whole culture thing as being an over used buzz word but it seems we continuously bow down to players who don't cut it and our results won't change while ever that is the case.

I agree with the player issue but we can’t promote from within as we don’t have the depth and we can’t seem to attract better due to perceptions about the coach / club / CEO / board or whatever combination it is.

I’ve been indifferent regarding Madge but what I now think is he has to go to attempt to release the pressure and hopefully open talks with some better players.

I firmly believe we need major changes to the roster to compliment and improve our youth and if getting rid of Madge allows this to commence then it needs to happen and in the next fortnight. The spare cap money we’ve now got needs to be spent by whoever is here for the next 2 or 3 years not by someone who is on the way out.

The football operations were a joke

Blokes not fit enough
Madges mates as assistant
Hartigan sticking out Like a sore thumb
Madge too concerned about his job

Honestly the whole lot should go.

I

 

[Demps]

Madge has been fighting an uphill battle that every other coach has failed to fix year on year. I honestly believe that if someone with the mentality of Madge can’t fix us, no one can. He gives every ounce of energy he has to trying to make us better.

I honestly believe he needs some better assistants around him.

I wish the club would invest as much ammo into this area as it possibly can. Sheens will help tremendously, but we need the best defensive coaches, attacking coaches, kicking coaches to get involved and help Madge. That’s the big key in my opinion. I think he takes too much on on his own and needs to share the load more.

We need players who want to win at all costs. Look at Melbourne, look at Penrith. They’re teams that hate losing one game a season. I think by finding the best of the best assistants (whether they’re precious NRL coaches or not) with the same work ethic and vision as Madge is what’s needed to turn our fortunes around.

Maybe the mentality is too much.

It might be for loser players. Is Bellamy too tough for the Storm?

You know Bellamy isn't like that 24/7 right? He develops better relationships with his players.

How do you know he develops better relationships? Bellamy is an intense dude when it comes to switching on, as is Madge. It’s part of the job. Madge is a decent human and cares about his players as well. The difference is Bellamy has players around him who want to be the best and compete every week. We have a bunch of kids who point the finger at each other. Madge is trying to turn these boys into men but half of them seem too stupid to see it and buy in.

Tigers players for far too long have taken the mickey. They’re well-paid players and should be accountable. People need to stop blaming the coach, the coach doesn’t let in 38 points against the wooden spooners. It was abysmal, no effort and pathetic.

Madge isn’t without fault, but he means well and I believe is doing the best he can with a mess that was left to him. He just needs to surround himself with some better coaching support and recruit players who want to win, can follow a game plan and genuinely want to be successful.

I would say the fact that Bellamy has been at the same club for going on 20 years and has never been sacked would be a pretty strong indication that he builds strong relationships, never heard rumours of players saying a bad thing about him, in fact most of them love him and relentlessly take the mickey out of him, doesn't seem like they are walking on egg shells to me.

Madge is about to be sacked at his second club with rumours abounding once again that it is due to a loss of relationship between him and the players. Madge seems to be a bit of a contradiction, all fire and brimstone but rumours abound that he is unable to have difficult conversations one on one.

No one is saying he isn't passionate, that he doesn't care about his players, though he has thrown them under the bus the last few weeks, or that he is a horrible human being. I am willing to say that he is having issues connecting with players and getting the best out of them.

The way I see it Bellamy for the best part of his career has had leaders on and off the field - the best players in the game - who showed any players that came to the club what is expected of them to become winners. If they couldn't handle it or the coach their is no room for them nor are they needed.
Our club has a history of its most experienced players being the ones who lead the charge on the coach when they don't perform on the field - full of excuses yet for last ten seasons have achieved zilch.
Bellamy is renowned for telling players what they need to hear when they don't perform - heard it from Munster when he was not putting in - the big difference is the system attracts players who want to win and when have we ever been a club that attracts those type of players?
Maguire is gone but quite frankly I find it embarrassing that it will be at the expense of the performances of the current playing group. I use to laugh at the whole culture thing as being an over used buzz word but it seems we continuously bow down to players who don't cut it and our results won't change while ever that is the case.

I agree with the player issue but we can’t promote from within as we don’t have the depth and we can’t seem to attract better due to perceptions about the coach / club / CEO / board or whatever combination it is.

I’ve been indifferent regarding Madge but what I now think is he has to go to attempt to release the pressure and hopefully open talks with some better players.

I firmly believe we need major changes to the roster to compliment and improve our youth and if getting rid of Madge allows this to commence then it needs to happen and in the next fortnight. The spare cap money we’ve now got needs to be spent by whoever is here for the next 2 or 3 years not by someone who is on the way out.

The football operations were a joke

Blokes not fit enough
Madges mates as assistant
Hartigan sticking out Like a sore thumb
Madge too concerned about his job

Honestly the whole lot should go.

I

Pascoe *

 

[GCfan]

So, there seems to be a consensus that both Maguire AND some of the players seem to be the reason for the continued inconsistencies of the club.

Given the "review" is being conducted by Pascoe and Hartigan (according to SMH), I doubt they will find themsleves as being part of the problem.

I don't get the expectation though, that if Maguire is punted but the players remain, suddenly WT become an attractive place for players seeking a new club. What if the "players" are more of the problem than the coach? And, what if the limitations of support staff such as Hartigan and club leadership of Pascoe is a reason for our reputation in wider-NRL circles?

The outcome is that we sack yet another coach without actually fixing the probelm. That's why a truly independent "review" was needed; not some in-house confection that will give a predictable outcome and leave the real culprits untouched.

For those in the business world who have participated in a 360 degree performance review, this is what’s really needed. An independent review of yourself from your colleagues, direct reports and customers perspective.

For me, the customer (in our clubs case), should be substituted with External players and or player managers, both of players who have signed but also of those who didn’t. Maybe then you may get a real world picture of what’s going on, coupled with what’s holding us back. And I agree with the OP, having Pascoe and Hartigan run it is a joke. Vested interests….

 

[Telltails]

Madge has been fighting an uphill battle that every other coach has failed to fix year on year. I honestly believe that if someone with the mentality of Madge can’t fix us, no one can. He gives every ounce of energy he has to trying to make us better.

I honestly believe he needs some better assistants around him.

I wish the club would invest as much ammo into this area as it possibly can. Sheens will help tremendously, but we need the best defensive coaches, attacking coaches, kicking coaches to get involved and help Madge. That’s the big key in my opinion. I think he takes too much on on his own and needs to share the load more.

We need players who want to win at all costs. Look at Melbourne, look at Penrith. They’re teams that hate losing one game a season. I think by finding the best of the best assistants (whether they’re precious NRL coaches or not) with the same work ethic and vision as Madge is what’s needed to turn our fortunes around.

Maybe the mentality is too much.

It might be for loser players. Is Bellamy too tough for the Storm?

You know Bellamy isn't like that 24/7 right? He develops better relationships with his players.

How do you know he develops better relationships? Bellamy is an intense dude when it comes to switching on, as is Madge. It’s part of the job. Madge is a decent human and cares about his players as well. The difference is Bellamy has players around him who want to be the best and compete every week. We have a bunch of kids who point the finger at each other. Madge is trying to turn these boys into men but half of them seem too stupid to see it and buy in.

Tigers players for far too long have taken the mickey. They’re well-paid players and should be accountable. People need to stop blaming the coach, the coach doesn’t let in 38 points against the wooden spooners. It was abysmal, no effort and pathetic.

Madge isn’t without fault, but he means well and I believe is doing the best he can with a mess that was left to him. He just needs to surround himself with some better coaching support and recruit players who want to win, can follow a game plan and genuinely want to be successful.

I would say the fact that Bellamy has been at the same club for going on 20 years and has never been sacked would be a pretty strong indication that he builds strong relationships, never heard rumours of players saying a bad thing about him, in fact most of them love him and relentlessly take the mickey out of him, doesn't seem like they are walking on egg shells to me.

Madge is about to be sacked at his second club with rumours abounding once again that it is due to a loss of relationship between him and the players. Madge seems to be a bit of a contradiction, all fire and brimstone but rumours abound that he is unable to have difficult conversations one on one.

No one is saying he isn't passionate, that he doesn't care about his players, though he has thrown them under the bus the last few weeks, or that he is a horrible human being. I am willing to say that he is having issues connecting with players and getting the best out of them.

The way I see it Bellamy for the best part of his career has had leaders on and off the field - the best players in the game - who showed any players that came to the club what is expected of them to become winners. If they couldn't handle it or the coach their is no room for them nor are they needed.
Our club has a history of its most experienced players being the ones who lead the charge on the coach when they don't perform on the field - full of excuses yet for last ten seasons have achieved zilch.
Bellamy is renowned for telling players what they need to hear when they don't perform - heard it from Munster when he was not putting in - the big difference is the system attracts players who want to win and when have we ever been a club that attracts those type of players?
Maguire is gone but quite frankly I find it embarrassing that it will be at the expense of the performances of the current playing group. I use to laugh at the whole culture thing as being an over used buzz word but it seems we continuously bow down to players who don't cut it and our results won't change while ever that is the case.

I agree with the player issue but we can’t promote from within as we don’t have the depth and we can’t seem to attract better due to perceptions about the coach / club / CEO / board or whatever combination it is.

I’ve been indifferent regarding Madge but what I now think is he has to go to attempt to release the pressure and hopefully open talks with some better players.

I firmly believe we need major changes to the roster to compliment and improve our youth and if getting rid of Madge allows this to commence then it needs to happen and in the next fortnight. The spare cap money we’ve now got needs to be spent by whoever is here for the next 2 or 3 years not by someone who is on the way out.

What we need is a whole separate issue to dealing with the reality of what we have got. Until that is dealt with effectively getting what we need is wishful thinking imo.

 

[tony soprano]

Madge has been fighting an uphill battle that every other coach has failed to fix year on year. I honestly believe that if someone with the mentality of Madge can’t fix us, no one can. He gives every ounce of energy he has to trying to make us better.

I honestly believe he needs some better assistants around him.

I wish the club would invest as much ammo into this area as it possibly can. Sheens will help tremendously, but we need the best defensive coaches, attacking coaches, kicking coaches to get involved and help Madge. That’s the big key in my opinion. I think he takes too much on on his own and needs to share the load more.

We need players who want to win at all costs. Look at Melbourne, look at Penrith. They’re teams that hate losing one game a season. I think by finding the best of the best assistants (whether they’re precious NRL coaches or not) with the same work ethic and vision as Madge is what’s needed to turn our fortunes around.

Maybe the mentality is too much.

It might be for loser players. Is Bellamy too tough for the Storm?

You know Bellamy isn't like that 24/7 right? He develops better relationships with his players.

How do you know he develops better relationships? Bellamy is an intense dude when it comes to switching on, as is Madge. It’s part of the job. Madge is a decent human and cares about his players as well. The difference is Bellamy has players around him who want to be the best and compete every week. We have a bunch of kids who point the finger at each other. Madge is trying to turn these boys into men but half of them seem too stupid to see it and buy in.

Tigers players for far too long have taken the mickey. They’re well-paid players and should be accountable. People need to stop blaming the coach, the coach doesn’t let in 38 points against the wooden spooners. It was abysmal, no effort and pathetic.

Madge isn’t without fault, but he means well and I believe is doing the best he can with a mess that was left to him. He just needs to surround himself with some better coaching support and recruit players who want to win, can follow a game plan and genuinely want to be successful.

I would say the fact that Bellamy has been at the same club for going on 20 years and has never been sacked would be a pretty strong indication that he builds strong relationships, never heard rumours of players saying a bad thing about him, in fact most of them love him and relentlessly take the mickey out of him, doesn't seem like they are walking on egg shells to me.

Madge is about to be sacked at his second club with rumours abounding once again that it is due to a loss of relationship between him and the players. Madge seems to be a bit of a contradiction, all fire and brimstone but rumours abound that he is unable to have difficult conversations one on one.

No one is saying he isn't passionate, that he doesn't care about his players, though he has thrown them under the bus the last few weeks, or that he is a horrible human being. I am willing to say that he is having issues connecting with players and getting the best out of them.

The way I see it Bellamy for the best part of his career has had leaders on and off the field - the best players in the game - who showed any players that came to the club what is expected of them to become winners. If they couldn't handle it or the coach their is no room for them nor are they needed.
Our club has a history of its most experienced players being the ones who lead the charge on the coach when they don't perform on the field - full of excuses yet for last ten seasons have achieved zilch.
Bellamy is renowned for telling players what they need to hear when they don't perform - heard it from Munster when he was not putting in - the big difference is the system attracts players who want to win and when have we ever been a club that attracts those type of players?
Maguire is gone but quite frankly I find it embarrassing that it will be at the expense of the performances of the current playing group. I use to laugh at the whole culture thing as being an over used buzz word but it seems we continuously bow down to players who don't cut it and our results won't change while ever that is the case.

I agree with the player issue but we can’t promote from within as we don’t have the depth and we can’t seem to attract better due to perceptions about the coach / club / CEO / board or whatever combination it is.

I’ve been indifferent regarding Madge but what I now think is he has to go to attempt to release the pressure and hopefully open talks with some better players.

I firmly believe we need major changes to the roster to compliment and improve our youth and if getting rid of Madge allows this to commence then it needs to happen and in the next fortnight. The spare cap money we’ve now got needs to be spent by whoever is here for the next 2 or 3 years not by someone who is on the way out.

The football operations were a joke

Blokes not fit enough
Madges mates as assistant
Hartigan sticking out Like a sore thumb
Madge too concerned about his job

Honestly the whole lot should go.

I

Pascoe *

Mate it's a sad sad joke. Big risk of boiling over next year if he stays

 

[Snake]

The only way the club will get any credibility out of this situation if they sack Maguire is that certain contracted players are also shown the door regardless of the cost .. Pascoes day will come sooner than later certain priorities first !

 

[Krammy]

So, there seems to be a consensus that both Maguire AND some of the players seem to be the reason for the continued inconsistencies of the club.

Given the "review" is being conducted by Pascoe and Hartigan (according to SMH), I doubt they will find themsleves as being part of the problem.

I don't get the expectation though, that if Maguire is punted but the players remain, suddenly WT become an attractive place for players seeking a new club. What if the "players" are more of the problem than the coach? And, what if the limitations of support staff such as Hartigan and club leadership of Pascoe is a reason for our reputation in wider-NRL circles?

The outcome is that we sack yet another coach without actually fixing the probelm. That's why a truly independent "review" was needed; not some in-house confection that will give a predictable outcome and leave the real culprits untouched.

For those in the business world who have participated in a 360 degree performance review, this is what’s really needed. An independent review of yourself from your colleagues, direct reports and customers perspective.

For me, the customer (in our clubs case), should be substituted with External players and or player managers, both of players who have signed but also of those who didn’t. Maybe then you may get a real world picture of what’s going on, coupled with what’s holding us back. And I agree with the OP, having Pascoe and Hartigan run it is a joke. Vested interests….

Agree. The review should be professionally done, in ways that you speak of. The whole organisation needs a thorough review, completed by independent analysts.

 

[TieDye]

Madge has been fighting an uphill battle that every other coach has failed to fix year on year. I honestly believe that if someone with the mentality of Madge can’t fix us, no one can. He gives every ounce of energy he has to trying to make us better.

I honestly believe he needs some better assistants around him.

I wish the club would invest as much ammo into this area as it possibly can. Sheens will help tremendously, but we need the best defensive coaches, attacking coaches, kicking coaches to get involved and help Madge. That’s the big key in my opinion. I think he takes too much on on his own and needs to share the load more.

We need players who want to win at all costs. Look at Melbourne, look at Penrith. They’re teams that hate losing one game a season. I think by finding the best of the best assistants (whether they’re precious NRL coaches or not) with the same work ethic and vision as Madge is what’s needed to turn our fortunes around.

Maybe the mentality is too much.

It might be for loser players. Is Bellamy too tough for the Storm?

You know Bellamy isn't like that 24/7 right? He develops better relationships with his players.

How do you know he develops better relationships? Bellamy is an intense dude when it comes to switching on, as is Madge. It’s part of the job. Madge is a decent human and cares about his players as well. The difference is Bellamy has players around him who want to be the best and compete every week. We have a bunch of kids who point the finger at each other. Madge is trying to turn these boys into men but half of them seem too stupid to see it and buy in.

Tigers players for far too long have taken the mickey. They’re well-paid players and should be accountable. People need to stop blaming the coach, the coach doesn’t let in 38 points against the wooden spooners. It was abysmal, no effort and pathetic.

Madge isn’t without fault, but he means well and I believe is doing the best he can with a mess that was left to him. He just needs to surround himself with some better coaching support and recruit players who want to win, can follow a game plan and genuinely want to be successful.

I would say the fact that Bellamy has been at the same club for going on 20 years and has never been sacked would be a pretty strong indication that he builds strong relationships, never heard rumours of players saying a bad thing about him, in fact most of them love him and relentlessly take the mickey out of him, doesn't seem like they are walking on egg shells to me.

Madge is about to be sacked at his second club with rumours abounding once again that it is due to a loss of relationship between him and the players. Madge seems to be a bit of a contradiction, all fire and brimstone but rumours abound that he is unable to have difficult conversations one on one.

No one is saying he isn't passionate, that he doesn't care about his players, though he has thrown them under the bus the last few weeks, or that he is a horrible human being. I am willing to say that he is having issues connecting with players and getting the best out of them.

The way I see it Bellamy for the best part of his career has had leaders on and off the field - the best players in the game - who showed any players that came to the club what is expected of them to become winners. If they couldn't handle it or the coach their is no room for them nor are they needed.
Our club has a history of its most experienced players being the ones who lead the charge on the coach when they don't perform on the field - full of excuses yet for last ten seasons have achieved zilch.
Bellamy is renowned for telling players what they need to hear when they don't perform - heard it from Munster when he was not putting in - the big difference is the system attracts players who want to win and when have we ever been a club that attracts those type of players?
Maguire is gone but quite frankly I find it embarrassing that it will be at the expense of the performances of the current playing group. I use to laugh at the whole culture thing as being an over used buzz word but it seems we continuously bow down to players who don't cut it and our results won't change while ever that is the case.

I agree with the player issue but we can’t promote from within as we don’t have the depth and we can’t seem to attract better due to perceptions about the coach / club / CEO / board or whatever combination it is.

I’ve been indifferent regarding Madge but what I now think is he has to go to attempt to release the pressure and hopefully open talks with some better players.

I firmly believe we need major changes to the roster to compliment and improve our youth and if getting rid of Madge allows this to commence then it needs to happen and in the next fortnight. The spare cap money we’ve now got needs to be spent by whoever is here for the next 2 or 3 years not by someone who is on the way out.

This is an understated point and most probably an undervalued post. Mods should pin this!

Most important facet of the change that HAS to be managed correctly or surely this clubs foundations would be on their last legs.

 

[cochise]

Madge has been fighting an uphill battle that every other coach has failed to fix year on year. I honestly believe that if someone with the mentality of Madge can’t fix us, no one can. He gives every ounce of energy he has to trying to make us better.

I honestly believe he needs some better assistants around him.

I wish the club would invest as much ammo into this area as it possibly can. Sheens will help tremendously, but we need the best defensive coaches, attacking coaches, kicking coaches to get involved and help Madge. That’s the big key in my opinion. I think he takes too much on on his own and needs to share the load more.

We need players who want to win at all costs. Look at Melbourne, look at Penrith. They’re teams that hate losing one game a season. I think by finding the best of the best assistants (whether they’re precious NRL coaches or not) with the same work ethic and vision as Madge is what’s needed to turn our fortunes around.

Maybe the mentality is too much.

It might be for loser players. Is Bellamy too tough for the Storm?

You know Bellamy isn't like that 24/7 right? He develops better relationships with his players.

How do you know he develops better relationships? Bellamy is an intense dude when it comes to switching on, as is Madge. It’s part of the job. Madge is a decent human and cares about his players as well. The difference is Bellamy has players around him who want to be the best and compete every week. We have a bunch of kids who point the finger at each other. Madge is trying to turn these boys into men but half of them seem too stupid to see it and buy in.

Tigers players for far too long have taken the mickey. They’re well-paid players and should be accountable. People need to stop blaming the coach, the coach doesn’t let in 38 points against the wooden spooners. It was abysmal, no effort and pathetic.

Madge isn’t without fault, but he means well and I believe is doing the best he can with a mess that was left to him. He just needs to surround himself with some better coaching support and recruit players who want to win, can follow a game plan and genuinely want to be successful.

I would say the fact that Bellamy has been at the same club for going on 20 years and has never been sacked would be a pretty strong indication that he builds strong relationships, never heard rumours of players saying a bad thing about him, in fact most of them love him and relentlessly take the mickey out of him, doesn't seem like they are walking on egg shells to me.

Madge is about to be sacked at his second club with rumours abounding once again that it is due to a loss of relationship between him and the players. Madge seems to be a bit of a contradiction, all fire and brimstone but rumours abound that he is unable to have difficult conversations one on one.

No one is saying he isn't passionate, that he doesn't care about his players, though he has thrown them under the bus the last few weeks, or that he is a horrible human being. I am willing to say that he is having issues connecting with players and getting the best out of them.

The way I see it Bellamy for the best part of his career has had leaders on and off the field - the best players in the game - who showed any players that came to the club what is expected of them to become winners. If they couldn't handle it or the coach their is no room for them nor are they needed.
Our club has a history of its most experienced players being the ones who lead the charge on the coach when they don't perform on the field - full of excuses yet for last ten seasons have achieved zilch.
Bellamy is renowned for telling players what they need to hear when they don't perform - heard it from Munster when he was not putting in - the big difference is the system attracts players who want to win and when have we ever been a club that attracts those type of players?
Maguire is gone but quite frankly I find it embarrassing that it will be at the expense of the performances of the current playing group. I use to laugh at the whole culture thing as being an over used buzz word but it seems we continuously bow down to players who don't cut it and our results won't change while ever that is the case.

I agree with the player issue but we can’t promote from within as we don’t have the depth and we can’t seem to attract better due to perceptions about the coach / club / CEO / board or whatever combination it is.

I’ve been indifferent regarding Madge but what I now think is he has to go to attempt to release the pressure and hopefully open talks with some better players.

I firmly believe we need major changes to the roster to compliment and improve our youth and if getting rid of Madge allows this to commence then it needs to happen and in the next fortnight. The spare cap money we’ve now got needs to be spent by whoever is here for the next 2 or 3 years not by someone who is on the way out.

Yeah, I am pretty much the same. I have never been a madge death rider, I have had issues with for about a year but was willing to let him continue until recently. The issue now is the negative stories about him and the media pressure are going to make it even harder for us to attract players. We need to reverse that media pressure and create some positivity around the club, sadly the best way to do that is to remove madge and instill a coach that will create a massive positive story moving forward.

 

[Telltails]

The current playing group is as much a handbrake in recruiting decent players as any coach.
The shifting of coaches without apportioning accountability on the weaknesses of playing group will never attract winners or bring out the best in any player.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

The current playing group is as much a handbrake in recruiting decent players as any coach.
The shifting of coaches without apportioning accountability on the playing group will never attract winners or bring out the best in any player.

Isn't the decision about players rightly to be left with the new coach?

 

[TillLindemann]

Madge has been fighting an uphill battle that every other coach has failed to fix year on year. I honestly believe that if someone with the mentality of Madge can’t fix us, no one can. He gives every ounce of energy he has to trying to make us better.

I honestly believe he needs some better assistants around him.

I wish the club would invest as much ammo into this area as it possibly can. Sheens will help tremendously, but we need the best defensive coaches, attacking coaches, kicking coaches to get involved and help Madge. That’s the big key in my opinion. I think he takes too much on on his own and needs to share the load more.

We need players who want to win at all costs. Look at Melbourne, look at Penrith. They’re teams that hate losing one game a season. I think by finding the best of the best assistants (whether they’re precious NRL coaches or not) with the same work ethic and vision as Madge is what’s needed to turn our fortunes around.

Maybe the mentality is too much.

It might be for loser players. Is Bellamy too tough for the Storm?

You know Bellamy isn't like that 24/7 right? He develops better relationships with his players.

How do you know he develops better relationships? Bellamy is an intense dude when it comes to switching on, as is Madge. It’s part of the job. Madge is a decent human and cares about his players as well. The difference is Bellamy has players around him who want to be the best and compete every week. We have a bunch of kids who point the finger at each other. Madge is trying to turn these boys into men but half of them seem too stupid to see it and buy in.

Tigers players for far too long have taken the mickey. They’re well-paid players and should be accountable. People need to stop blaming the coach, the coach doesn’t let in 38 points against the wooden spooners. It was abysmal, no effort and pathetic.

Madge isn’t without fault, but he means well and I believe is doing the best he can with a mess that was left to him. He just needs to surround himself with some better coaching support and recruit players who want to win, can follow a game plan and genuinely want to be successful.

I would say the fact that Bellamy has been at the same club for going on 20 years and has never been sacked would be a pretty strong indication that he builds strong relationships, never heard rumours of players saying a bad thing about him, in fact most of them love him and relentlessly take the mickey out of him, doesn't seem like they are walking on egg shells to me.

Madge is about to be sacked at his second club with rumours abounding once again that it is due to a loss of relationship between him and the players. Madge seems to be a bit of a contradiction, all fire and brimstone but rumours abound that he is unable to have difficult conversations one on one.

No one is saying he isn't passionate, that he doesn't care about his players, though he has thrown them under the bus the last few weeks, or that he is a horrible human being. I am willing to say that he is having issues connecting with players and getting the best out of them.

The way I see it Bellamy for the best part of his career has had leaders on and off the field - the best players in the game - who showed any players that came to the club what is expected of them to become winners. If they couldn't handle it or the coach their is no room for them nor are they needed.
Our club has a history of its most experienced players being the ones who lead the charge on the coach when they don't perform on the field - full of excuses yet for last ten seasons have achieved zilch.
Bellamy is renowned for telling players what they need to hear when they don't perform - heard it from Munster when he was not putting in - the big difference is the system attracts players who want to win and when have we ever been a club that attracts those type of players?
Maguire is gone but quite frankly I find it embarrassing that it will be at the expense of the performances of the current playing group. I use to laugh at the whole culture thing as being an over used buzz word but it seems we continuously bow down to players who don't cut it and our results won't change while ever that is the case.

I agree with the player issue but we can’t promote from within as we don’t have the depth and we can’t seem to attract better due to perceptions about the coach / club / CEO / board or whatever combination it is.

I’ve been indifferent regarding Madge but what I now think is he has to go to attempt to release the pressure and hopefully open talks with some better players.

I firmly believe we need major changes to the roster to compliment and improve our youth and if getting rid of Madge allows this to commence then it needs to happen and in the next fortnight. The spare cap money we’ve now got needs to be spent by whoever is here for the next 2 or 3 years not by someone who is on the way out.

Yeah, I am pretty much the same. I have never been a madge death rider, I have had issues with for about a year but was willing to let him continue until recently. The issue now is the negative stories about him and the media pressure are going to make it even harder for us to attract players. We need to reverse that media pressure and create some positivity around the club, sadly the best way to do that is to remove madge and instill a coach that will create a massive positive story moving forward.

I don't think it will create a positive story at all, it will be a 'basket case Tigers sack another coach' story. And heaven forbid the next coach doesn't get instant on-field success, because we will have loaded the gun for an absolute media frenzy.

 

[cochise]

Madge has been fighting an uphill battle that every other coach has failed to fix year on year. I honestly believe that if someone with the mentality of Madge can’t fix us, no one can. He gives every ounce of energy he has to trying to make us better.

I honestly believe he needs some better assistants around him.

I wish the club would invest as much ammo into this area as it possibly can. Sheens will help tremendously, but we need the best defensive coaches, attacking coaches, kicking coaches to get involved and help Madge. That’s the big key in my opinion. I think he takes too much on on his own and needs to share the load more.

We need players who want to win at all costs. Look at Melbourne, look at Penrith. They’re teams that hate losing one game a season. I think by finding the best of the best assistants (whether they’re precious NRL coaches or not) with the same work ethic and vision as Madge is what’s needed to turn our fortunes around.

Maybe the mentality is too much.

It might be for loser players. Is Bellamy too tough for the Storm?

You know Bellamy isn't like that 24/7 right? He develops better relationships with his players.

How do you know he develops better relationships? Bellamy is an intense dude when it comes to switching on, as is Madge. It’s part of the job. Madge is a decent human and cares about his players as well. The difference is Bellamy has players around him who want to be the best and compete every week. We have a bunch of kids who point the finger at each other. Madge is trying to turn these boys into men but half of them seem too stupid to see it and buy in.

Tigers players for far too long have taken the mickey. They’re well-paid players and should be accountable. People need to stop blaming the coach, the coach doesn’t let in 38 points against the wooden spooners. It was abysmal, no effort and pathetic.

Madge isn’t without fault, but he means well and I believe is doing the best he can with a mess that was left to him. He just needs to surround himself with some better coaching support and recruit players who want to win, can follow a game plan and genuinely want to be successful.

I would say the fact that Bellamy has been at the same club for going on 20 years and has never been sacked would be a pretty strong indication that he builds strong relationships, never heard rumours of players saying a bad thing about him, in fact most of them love him and relentlessly take the mickey out of him, doesn't seem like they are walking on egg shells to me.

Madge is about to be sacked at his second club with rumours abounding once again that it is due to a loss of relationship between him and the players. Madge seems to be a bit of a contradiction, all fire and brimstone but rumours abound that he is unable to have difficult conversations one on one.

No one is saying he isn't passionate, that he doesn't care about his players, though he has thrown them under the bus the last few weeks, or that he is a horrible human being. I am willing to say that he is having issues connecting with players and getting the best out of them.

The way I see it Bellamy for the best part of his career has had leaders on and off the field - the best players in the game - who showed any players that came to the club what is expected of them to become winners. If they couldn't handle it or the coach their is no room for them nor are they needed.
Our club has a history of its most experienced players being the ones who lead the charge on the coach when they don't perform on the field - full of excuses yet for last ten seasons have achieved zilch.
Bellamy is renowned for telling players what they need to hear when they don't perform - heard it from Munster when he was not putting in - the big difference is the system attracts players who want to win and when have we ever been a club that attracts those type of players?
Maguire is gone but quite frankly I find it embarrassing that it will be at the expense of the performances of the current playing group. I use to laugh at the whole culture thing as being an over used buzz word but it seems we continuously bow down to players who don't cut it and our results won't change while ever that is the case.

I agree with the player issue but we can’t promote from within as we don’t have the depth and we can’t seem to attract better due to perceptions about the coach / club / CEO / board or whatever combination it is.

I’ve been indifferent regarding Madge but what I now think is he has to go to attempt to release the pressure and hopefully open talks with some better players.

I firmly believe we need major changes to the roster to compliment and improve our youth and if getting rid of Madge allows this to commence then it needs to happen and in the next fortnight. The spare cap money we’ve now got needs to be spent by whoever is here for the next 2 or 3 years not by someone who is on the way out.

Yeah, I am pretty much the same. I have never been a madge death rider, I have had issues with for about a year but was willing to let him continue until recently. The issue now is the negative stories about him and the media pressure are going to make it even harder for us to attract players. We need to reverse that media pressure and create some positivity around the club, sadly the best way to do that is to remove madge and instill a coach that will create a massive positive story moving forward.

I don't think it will create a positive story at all, it will be a 'basket case Tigers sack another coach' story. And heaven forbid the next coach doesn't get instant on-field success, because we will have loaded the gun for an absolute media frenzy.

Then you get the media onside, we have sacked one coach since Sheens, the story is a fabrication. The media has turned on Madge anyway.