Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[cochise]

Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire retains strong support from elements of the club’s board as his future is expected to be decided by the end of this week.

While Maguire has dominated headlines in recent weeks, counterpart Brad Arthur’s time at Parramatta will also come under the spotlight should the Eels be bundled out of the competition as early as Sunday when they play the Knights.

Maguire’s future at the Wests Tigers is clearly at the crossroads. It comes as Maguire made one last pitch to the Tigers board last week, where he urged them to have faith in the direction he was taking the club.

Even still his position is delicately poised but it is understood some members of the board want to see Maguire remain at the helm. Whether that will be enough to save his job will be determined at a board meeting this week.

The Tigers board were awaiting a final report and recommendation from the club’s post-season review. Different parts of the review were undertaken by Tigers chairman Lee Hagipantelis, chief executive Justin Pascoe, head of football Adam Hartigan, new head of performance Tim Sheens and board member Danny Stapleton.

Sheens’ view will hold great sway given he has been the only Tigers coach to lead the joint-venture to success. There is a belief among high-profile figures at that club that getting Sheens closer to the team next year could assist with the on-field performance.

While the departures of highly-paid players Moses Mbye and Russell Packer will help end some of the expectations placed on underperforming shoulders.

Several high-profile players have made it known they want Maguire to see out the remaining two years of his deal.

The club still has about $1 million left to spend on its roster for next season.

Tune in for episode 5 of Wild Wests: Tales From Tiger Town for the final verdict.

Off course players want Maguire to stay these are the same players that have No respect for the jersey only there pay packet .
The Board want to be very careful with there decision as I know there is much anger in the membership and supporter base the day of reckoning has come for this club !
High profile players are these the ones that tanked last round !

Think you’ll find a few ‘high profile’ players getting punted if Maguire stays.
Every story now is pro Maguire or saying Brooks should look for a new club.
Blokes like John’s, Fittler and just about everyone else is pro Maguire and pointing the finger at entitled players.

The binary is ridiculous. Two things can be true at once. Some of our players could be entitled and a big part of the problem AND our coach could be not up to it.

The idea that we Just get rid of the coach/entitled players and everything is ok is a path to failure.

The first and most immediate question is, is Madge a good enough coach and capable of quickly building a success team/culture/skill set and attract players to replace the entitled ones? If yes then happy days and lets get on with it.

If no the replace Madge and see if these "entitled" players problem survives the new coach.

Correct

 

[Telltails]

A good read about Munster and his development at the Storm,Bellamy, Christian Welch as a mentor, and the weekly sprays..


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NRL 2021: Melbourne Storm coach Craig Bellamy gives star Cameron Munster ‘a good spray’
Melbourne Storm playmaker Cameron Munster said that coach Craig Bellamy gave him ‘a good spray’ ahead of Friday’s qualifying final.

Joel Gould
3 min read
September 11, 2021 - 4:56PM
NCA NewsWire

NRL: The Melbourne Storm is into the preliminary finals after flogging the Manly Sea Eagles in the first round of the finals at Sunshine Coast Stadium.
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Storm five-eighth Cameron Munster has revealed how multiple Craig Bellamy sprays, including one last week, and the mentorship of prop Christian Welch had been crucial in getting him to the milestone of his 150th club game, after he returned from a night in hospital to inspire a 40-12 qualifying final win over Manly.

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Munster suffered a deep wound in his knee against the Eels in round 24 but forgot to take his antibiotics and it became infected, requiring a hospital visit, much to the annoyance of Bellamy.


“The physios told him I didn’t take my antibiotics and Craig gave me a good spray during the week so I definitely will be taking them next time don’t worry about that,” Munster said.

“If I don’t get at least one spray a week then I am not doing the right job. It pulls me into line when he gives me a good crack.

“I don’t mind a rev. Sometimes I just sit back and let everything happen but I am very lucky the coaching staff and players find ways to get me up.”

Munster celebrated his milestone match in style with two try-assists, and a one-on-one steal and a 40/20, which both led to tries. His knee held up a treat.

“It is very motivating and I am happy with the way it worked out. It could have gone the other way. I took the risk and it paid off,” Munster said.

“There were no issues with ligaments. I could run nicely. It was a little bit tight with the stitches.


“If I’d had impact and hit the ground it could have split open but I didn’t run the ball much. I played in a dinner suit and pretty much handed it off to Paps (fullback Ryan Papenhuyzen) and he did the rest.

“It was about time I pulled my weight. The team needs me to get my hands on the ball more and give space to those outside me.”

Bellamy and the Storm claimed this year’s minor premiership. (Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)
Bellamy and the Storm claimed this year’s minor premiership. (Photo by Chris Hyde/Getty Images)
There was a time when Munster thought he’d only play one game for the club. That’s what made Welch’s presentation of his 150th jersey so special.

“I’ve done everything with Christian,” Munster said.

“I lived him with him for seven years. When I first came here he was the first bloke to show me around Melbourne and we lived together.

“We have shared a lot of memories together and are very close friends. It was very touching for him to give me my jersey.

“I was lucky. I came to Melbourne in 2013, played my first game in 2014 and didn’t play another game until round six in 2015.

“I had to wait but when you have Billy Slater at fullback you’ve got to bite the bullet and find other ways of playing in the team. I found a home at six and I am really enjoying it.

“It took me almost a year to get back in the team. It was crazy. I got hooked after my first game and Kurt Mann ended up playing fullback the rest of that year so it was a learning curve.”

Welch scored his second try of the season on Friday night. (Photo by Bradley Kanaris/Getty Images)
Welch scored his second try of the season on Friday night. (Photo by Bradley Kanaris/Getty Images)
Munster said the Storm still had another gear in them and must be better in the preliminary final in a fortnight.

“We still gave Manly chances to get back into the game and could have controlled the ball a bit more,” Munster said.

“Against Penrith, Souths and the other teams still in the comp we need to put more pressure on.

“We have got Josh Addo-Carr coming back into the team which is another boost for us. We were the best team for 25 rounds but anything can happen in this competition with the new rule changes.”

Bellamy will go down as the greatest caoch of all time and deservedly so. If Munster was at any other club he would be another Ash Taylor/Cory Norman.

Quite possibly - certainly not a coach for played a unable to face home truths.

 

[WT2K]

**Hooper Warning**

Saying from what he's hearing, Madge is gone.
https://www.triplem.com.au/story/james-hooper-s-massive-update-on-michael-maguire-s-future-as-tigers-head-coach-186201

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Hopefully Pascoe is gone, and we keep both Hartigan and Madge.

Find a CEO that’s run successful football clubs before.

They keep Maguire the club is done ! This is a pivotal moment for this club .. there HAS to be on field success and after 3 seasons of failure what fools actually think next season is any different the players want no part of him ! All I say good luck with all of that ! The CEO should go as with the coach and a few contracted players then your on the right track!

Well you have to ask. Why was Madge successful everywhere else but suddenly can’t coach?

I’m not sold on him either but I think our CEO is a much bigger problem.

The end of his time at Souths wasn't successful.

Either was Bennett's at broncos
Or sheens at wests
2 years ago Ivan's panthers were getting flogged by wests
Robinson has had time with roosters outside the 8

I don't think its helpful compare to other coaching situations.
Best to see how madge going at WT

My reading on madges time at WT is:

Year 1 - he went for final with the squad he had, said he believed in them. Had to win last game to make it into 8. Liddle gets injured, farah plays with broken leg, we lose to conulla in WT fashion

Year 2 - madge tries to take team to next level. Starts to hold players accountable, drops players for defensive issues. We get the eggshell brigade pushing back.

Madge moves on Benji, Reynolds and others, assumed part of eggshell crew.

Year 3 - madge changes focus to a younger crop of players who have the right character. With ten aim of bringing in better leaders from outside. Tamou came in but not enough.

Some of the eggshell crew stll remain and need to be moved on and replaced with strong leaders

Year 4 - stick with madge and the required culture change

Year 4 we finish with the spoon more like

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

**Hooper Warning**

Saying from what he's hearing, Madge is gone.
https://www.triplem.com.au/story/james-hooper-s-massive-update-on-michael-maguire-s-future-as-tigers-head-coach-186201

hope it is true

 

[loklok]

Hooper doing hooper things .reporting s.f.a
Hoping it comes true .

 

[Holden]

I’m sure this has clicked to some people already but the keeping Madge decision effects 2023 more than next year. We’re able to start talking 2023 FAs in 2 months time.

Now what are the chances Maguire actually sees out his contract ? I’d say incredibly low. So we are already at a major disadvantage for negotiating. No player in their right mind will join a struggling team that can’t guarantee its coaches safety.

Say we start the year 0-5, 1-6 whatever, Madge will get the punt, no doubt about it. By the time a new coach is appointed, it’s highly likely all those big name players off contract are already re signed or signed away.

Which I believe narrows the board down to two choices.
1) the whole club accepts another season of mediocrity with the hopes of some encouraging performances but ultimately finishing bottom 4 again, giving Maguire the chance to recruit some players for the final year of his contract, meaning 2023 will be his last shot or he will be let go.
2) you sack him now, appoint a new coach who can sell his long term vision for the team in 2023 and potentially beyond. Both results obviously equate to another down year.

"appoint a new coach who can sell his long term vision"

*Madge actively debuts countless younguns*

I wAnT a nEw CoACH that Can SElL me A LoNg TeRM viSION

 

[yeahcaz]

I’m sure this has clicked to some people already but the keeping Madge decision effects 2023 more than next year. We’re able to start talking 2023 FAs in 2 months time.

Now what are the chances Maguire actually sees out his contract ? I’d say incredibly low. So we are already at a major disadvantage for negotiating. No player in their right mind will join a struggling team that can’t guarantee its coaches safety.

Say we start the year 0-5, 1-6 whatever, Madge will get the punt, no doubt about it. By the time a new coach is appointed, it’s highly likely all those big name players off contract are already re signed or signed away.

Which I believe narrows the board down to two choices.
1) the whole club accepts another season of mediocrity with the hopes of some encouraging performances but ultimately finishing bottom 4 again, giving Maguire the chance to recruit some players for the final year of his contract, meaning 2023 will be his last shot or he will be let go.
2) you sack him now, appoint a new coach who can sell his long term vision for the team in 2023 and potentially beyond. Both results obviously equate to another down year.

"appoint a new coach who can sell his long term vision"

*Madge actively debuts countless younguns*

I wAnT a nEw CoACH that Can SElL me A LoNg TeRM viSION

Debuts countless young guns only to drop them a few weeks later. Fact is he’s improved young players individually but we are absolutely woeful as a team. All he is doing right now is making it more and more likely the youngsters leave because they’re too good for our crap team

 

[yeahcaz]

I’m sure this has clicked to some people already but the keeping Madge decision effects 2023 more than next year. We’re able to start talking 2023 FAs in 2 months time.

Now what are the chances Maguire actually sees out his contract ? I’d say incredibly low. So we are already at a major disadvantage for negotiating. No player in their right mind will join a struggling team that can’t guarantee its coaches safety.

Say we start the year 0-5, 1-6 whatever, Madge will get the punt, no doubt about it. By the time a new coach is appointed, it’s highly likely all those big name players off contract are already re signed or signed away.

Which I believe narrows the board down to two choices.
1) the whole club accepts another season of mediocrity with the hopes of some encouraging performances but ultimately finishing bottom 4 again, giving Maguire the chance to recruit some players for the final year of his contract, meaning 2023 will be his last shot or he will be let go.
2) you sack him now, appoint a new coach who can sell his long term vision for the team in 2023 and potentially beyond. Both results obviously equate to another down year.

Has to be option 2. If Madge isn't sacked now I doubt he makes it to 2023 anyway so what's the point of keeping him.

Exactly. Only point of keeping him now would be to save face with the media. No way he survives next season

 

[Holden]

I’m sure this has clicked to some people already but the keeping Madge decision effects 2023 more than next year. We’re able to start talking 2023 FAs in 2 months time.

Now what are the chances Maguire actually sees out his contract ? I’d say incredibly low. So we are already at a major disadvantage for negotiating. No player in their right mind will join a struggling team that can’t guarantee its coaches safety.

Say we start the year 0-5, 1-6 whatever, Madge will get the punt, no doubt about it. By the time a new coach is appointed, it’s highly likely all those big name players off contract are already re signed or signed away.

Which I believe narrows the board down to two choices.
1) the whole club accepts another season of mediocrity with the hopes of some encouraging performances but ultimately finishing bottom 4 again, giving Maguire the chance to recruit some players for the final year of his contract, meaning 2023 will be his last shot or he will be let go.
2) you sack him now, appoint a new coach who can sell his long term vision for the team in 2023 and potentially beyond. Both results obviously equate to another down year.

"appoint a new coach who can sell his long term vision"

*Madge actively debuts countless younguns*

I wAnT a nEw CoACH that Can SElL me A LoNg TeRM viSION

Debuts countless young guns only to drop them a few weeks later. Fact is he’s improved young players individually but we are absolutely woeful as a team. All he is doing right now is making it more and more likely the youngsters leave because they’re too good for our crap team

yea cos roster management. You play em all the time they get more dollars and they'e base worth goes up. Jesus christ....

 

[yeahcaz]

I’m sure this has clicked to some people already but the keeping Madge decision effects 2023 more than next year. We’re able to start talking 2023 FAs in 2 months time.

Now what are the chances Maguire actually sees out his contract ? I’d say incredibly low. So we are already at a major disadvantage for negotiating. No player in their right mind will join a struggling team that can’t guarantee its coaches safety.

Say we start the year 0-5, 1-6 whatever, Madge will get the punt, no doubt about it. By the time a new coach is appointed, it’s highly likely all those big name players off contract are already re signed or signed away.

Which I believe narrows the board down to two choices.
1) the whole club accepts another season of mediocrity with the hopes of some encouraging performances but ultimately finishing bottom 4 again, giving Maguire the chance to recruit some players for the final year of his contract, meaning 2023 will be his last shot or he will be let go.
2) you sack him now, appoint a new coach who can sell his long term vision for the team in 2023 and potentially beyond. Both results obviously equate to another down year.

"appoint a new coach who can sell his long term vision"

*Madge actively debuts countless younguns*

I wAnT a nEw CoACH that Can SElL me A LoNg TeRM viSION

Debuts countless young guns only to drop them a few weeks later. Fact is he’s improved young players individually but we are absolutely woeful as a team. All he is doing right now is making it more and more likely the youngsters leave because they’re too good for our crap team

yea cos roster management. You play em all the time they get more dollars and they'e base worth goes up. Jesus christ....

They move to other clubs and then it starts again ? he won’t help you

 

[Holden]

I’m sure this has clicked to some people already but the keeping Madge decision effects 2023 more than next year. We’re able to start talking 2023 FAs in 2 months time.

Now what are the chances Maguire actually sees out his contract ? I’d say incredibly low. So we are already at a major disadvantage for negotiating. No player in their right mind will join a struggling team that can’t guarantee its coaches safety.

Say we start the year 0-5, 1-6 whatever, Madge will get the punt, no doubt about it. By the time a new coach is appointed, it’s highly likely all those big name players off contract are already re signed or signed away.

Which I believe narrows the board down to two choices.
1) the whole club accepts another season of mediocrity with the hopes of some encouraging performances but ultimately finishing bottom 4 again, giving Maguire the chance to recruit some players for the final year of his contract, meaning 2023 will be his last shot or he will be let go.
2) you sack him now, appoint a new coach who can sell his long term vision for the team in 2023 and potentially beyond. Both results obviously equate to another down year.

"appoint a new coach who can sell his long term vision"

*Madge actively debuts countless younguns*

I wAnT a nEw CoACH that Can SElL me A LoNg TeRM viSION

Debuts countless young guns only to drop them a few weeks later. Fact is he’s improved young players individually but we are absolutely woeful as a team. All he is doing right now is making it more and more likely the youngsters leave because they’re too good for our crap team

yea cos roster management. You play em all the time they get more dollars and they'e base worth goes up. Jesus christ....

They move to other clubs and then it starts again ? he won’t help you

bro what are you smoking, send me some

 

[weststigerman]

If they sack Madge and Pascoe keeps his job that will do me. Surely we’ve figured out rotating coaches every 2-3 years doesn’t work.

I’m sure prospective coaches will be lining up to take the job that kills careers.

 

[Holden]

If they sack Madge and Pascoe keeps his job that will do me. Surely we’ve figured out rotating coaches every 2-3 years doesn’t work.

I’m sure prospective coaches will be lining up to take the job that kills careers.

keen to see pascoe get the boot tbh

 

[yeahcaz]

I’m sure this has clicked to some people already but the keeping Madge decision effects 2023 more than next year. We’re able to start talking 2023 FAs in 2 months time.

Now what are the chances Maguire actually sees out his contract ? I’d say incredibly low. So we are already at a major disadvantage for negotiating. No player in their right mind will join a struggling team that can’t guarantee its coaches safety.

Say we start the year 0-5, 1-6 whatever, Madge will get the punt, no doubt about it. By the time a new coach is appointed, it’s highly likely all those big name players off contract are already re signed or signed away.

Which I believe narrows the board down to two choices.
1) the whole club accepts another season of mediocrity with the hopes of some encouraging performances but ultimately finishing bottom 4 again, giving Maguire the chance to recruit some players for the final year of his contract, meaning 2023 will be his last shot or he will be let go.
2) you sack him now, appoint a new coach who can sell his long term vision for the team in 2023 and potentially beyond. Both results obviously equate to another down year.

"appoint a new coach who can sell his long term vision"

*Madge actively debuts countless younguns*

I wAnT a nEw CoACH that Can SElL me A LoNg TeRM viSION

Debuts countless young guns only to drop them a few weeks later. Fact is he’s improved young players individually but we are absolutely woeful as a team. All he is doing right now is making it more and more likely the youngsters leave because they’re too good for our crap team

yea cos roster management. You play em all the time they get more dollars and they'e base worth goes up. Jesus christ....

They move to other clubs and then it starts again ? he won’t help you

bro what are you smoking, send me some

I just want to know what you’re implying. Madge plays young guns yes. Most of them only last 1-2 games and then they are dropped. The young guns now who maintain their spots in the team eg Doueihi, blore, Lahore, Stefano will be the first out the door when the time comes because the team has not improved.

You can not seriously tell me Maguire has shown any signs of improving this team in his 3 years, regardless of how bad some of them are.

 

[yeahcaz]

If they sack Madge and Pascoe keeps his job that will do me. Surely we’ve figured out rotating coaches every 2-3 years doesn’t work.

I’m sure prospective coaches will be lining up to take the job that kills careers.

They should both go.

Madge being sacked is a matter of when not if, let’s face it.

 

[weststigerman]

If they sack Madge and Pascoe keeps his job that will do me. Surely we’ve figured out rotating coaches every 2-3 years doesn’t work.

I’m sure prospective coaches will be lining up to take the job that kills careers.

They should both go.

Madge being sacked is a matter of when not if, let’s face it.

I’m okay with it if Pascoe goes as well, but let’s be realistic. Madge has not been setup for success with the salary cap issues and inability to sign players. I still don’t believe the latter can be put all on Maguire.

Madge deserves criticism for the awful defence and disjointed attack this year, but he’s tried to set the club up for the long term unlike his predecessors who all screwed the cap for short term success and failed.

If they punt Madge I will understand the decision but only if Pascoe’s gone too.

 

[stevo133]

6 coaches in 10 years how many will it be this decade

 

[Tiger5150]

6 coaches in 10 years how many will it be this decade

We have sacked 1 coach in 8 years

 

[stevo133]

6 coaches in 10 years how many will it be this decade

We have sacked 1 coach in 8 years

What do you mean?

6 coaches in 10 years how many will it be this decade

We have sacked 1 coach in 8 years