Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

@gallagher said in [Sack Madge](/post/1347876) said:
So that's our answer, bring back Farah? Wow

Farah may not have been our most talented player of our recent legacy but he was the most determined, the most committed, the most focused and the most emotionally invested.
If any of these players had half the determination that Farah had we’d be challenging top 8.
He can’t play anymore but he was still playing great football when he retired.
In fact under Madge he probably had his best seasons in years.
To be giving Madge this trust and support is a huge statement.
It’s interesting.
Possibly a step in the direction we need but shows the club is thinking about how to improve the coaching arrangements, possibly need to bring in Flanagan as another assistant till the end of the year.
 
Good balanced article regarding Hastings, tigers recruitment and Madge. A bit too long to post. Not expecting everyone to agree but good to hear every side of an argument

https://t.co/JMqZUCPDZ0
 
@jc99 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348116) said:
Good balanced article regarding Hastings, tigers recruitment and Madge. A bit too long to post. Not expecting everyone to agree but good to hear every side of an argument

https://t.co/JMqZUCPDZ0

Yep good article with no agenda or finger pointing.
 
Did any body read Michael Chammas' article on Madge?

Now I think Benji is a legend of the club and one of the greatest ever but anyone get the feeling he's the one pushing the Sack Madge barrel?
 
This would have to be one of the most honest and insightful reads by anyone in the NRL media regarding the WestsTigers...Thank you and hats off to you Paul Gallen👏👏👏

**EXCLUSIVE: Paul Gallen calls for Wests Tigers to toughen up and stick with coach**

I don't know what the answer is for Wests Tigers - but I don't think it's sacking their coach, Michael Maguire.

Instead, I reckon they need to stick with 'Madge' and let him see through the job that he was hired for: toughening up the club and building a winning culture after so many disappointing seasons.

The Tigers never really recovered from that premiership and that was 16 years ago. They've had two finals appearances since and the last was a decade ago.

They don't have a culture of success. And my personal opinion is that currently, they just don't have the playing roster to do anything.

I had hopes for them at the start of the season, particularly with the speed in their outside backs. I never thought that they'd make the eight but I thought they could be competitive.

They just haven't played well. There's been times where they've competed but they were pretty ordinary on the weekend; hammered by a Manly side that's found it feet and has Tom Trbojevic back.

Even if they had Wayne Bennett or Craig Bellamy coaching that Wests Tigers roster, I don't know that they'd be going too much better.

The only reason you'd replace Michael Maguire is if you thought you'd attract big-name players with a different coach. But then again, that may be the club's fault as a whole rather than the coach.

I don't see that Wests Tigers have got any one player there that other guys would want to go and play with. That's a big part of their recruitment issue.

They haven't got any gun player, an Origin or Test star, who can attract another good player. Once you attract one, you get three, five, and all of a sudden you've got a strong roster; but that's not happening at the Tigers.

Maguire went to that club with a hard-nosed reputation but from what I've heard, he's totally changed. Once his normal approach didn't work, he was willing to adapt.

At South Sydney, he had a really tough, gritty team. The word was that the amount of wrestling and contact training they did was through the roof, and it reflected on the field. They dominated teams, competed year-in, year-out won a premiership.

What he has at the Tigers is a totally different roster. Despite his tough reputation, he's been adaptable and tried to work with the players he has. He started out as the Michael Maguire that we all know but changed to fit with his team.

Unfortunately for him, whatever's going on there at the moment isn't working. Even having adapted, the results just aren't there.

While I bring their problems back to the standard of the roster, it's always easier to sack one bloke than 17. It's always simpler to axe the coach than clear out the roster.

But if Wests Tigers get rid of Maguire, I reckon the next coach is on a hiding to nothing. Especially if he's a young coach. Maguire would be the fifth coach the Tigers have sacked in nine years.

The fact that Madge tried to come in and introduce a harder edge to that club and it just hasn't worked so far ... that's the culture of Wests Tigers.

Even when they won the premiership, they were happy to win games 32-30. That's been their attitude for the last 16 years. That's what Wests Tigers are known for; scoring points and that's it.

You just don't see them in the grind too often, winning games with under 20 points. They win or lose by a lot, or win in high-scoring shootouts. That's been the culture of the entire club.

I think that bringing Michael Maguire in, with the reputation that he had, showed a willingness and a desire to change. That's a positive but so far it hasn't worked.

I think they just need to keep sticking it out with him. They only extended his contract last December, through to 2023.

I personally think that they should give him more of a chance to try to change the culture of that place. If you just sack him, nothing changes; the next bloke comes in and the cycle repeats.

They need to tell the players to toughen up. This is the way you need to play footy, you can't win 32-30 anymore, that's not the right attitude to have.

You've got to grind out the game and it's really evident that the Tigers can't do it.

Instead of adapting, perhaps Maguire should actually be sticking with his hardline stance. That's what they hired him for in the first place: to change the culture and bring a winning attitude. To introduce some grit to their club.

Every decent team has one thing in common: they back their defence. They're tough and resilient without the ball.

The Sharks team we won the comp with in 2016 didn't have a super-high completion rate but we always backed ourselves to defend our line if we made a mistake. That was our attitude.

An 85-90 per cent completion rate was ideal but we were willing to play footy and account for any mistakes with our defence. Wests Tigers seem to want to play footy without the defensive accountability.

The Storm, Roosters and Panthers, teams that are consistently at the top of the ladder, aren't sticking it under their arm for five tackles and putting a bomb up. They're willing to play footy and looking to score points from anywhere on the park, and they back their defence if it doesn't come off.

For a good side, a mistake in attack shouldn't mean a try up the other end. But that's what seems to happen too often with Wests Tigers. They want to play footy but an error then means the other team scores.

You can't win with that attitude. You've got to have confidence in your ability on both sides of the ball.

People have pointed to the Tigers releasing Benji Marshall as another reason for criticism. To be honest, I've got no problem with that.

Benji did leave the club for money early on, on top of a bust-up with their then-coach Mick Potter, so I don't think Wests Tigers really owed him anything. And Benji always had that Tigers attitude, where you scored points and defence wasn't a high priority.

He moved to a highly successful club and team, where he's playing really well. It was a good move for him; when you're in a strong team, you've only got to worry about doing your job and things happen for you.

Particularly on the weekend, Benji shone in that Rabbitohs team; but they're one of the NRL's strongest sides, as opposed to Wests Tigers.
 
Usually don't make posts like these, but the "sack Madge" storyline NEEDS to stop. The leaks about crisis meetings, players not wanting to play under Madge - they're coming from the same sources. People need to wise up and stop and think about why there are these leaks and what the possible agenda is behind them.

It is simple, the leaks come from the board in order to pass the blame on to the coach and take the focus away from them and their bad decisions. It has happened with all the previous coaches. If the team isn't performing, the board will leak stories to the media so the media and the fans run with the story and blame the coach. It makes it easier to sack the coach with the media and the fans backing while avoiding all blame.

The main shining lights to come out of the first 6 rounds are Stefano, Laurie, Simpkin, Luciano and Doueihi - all young guys bought the to club by Maguire. What more can Maguire do? Beyond that, what is any other coach currently available going to do.

Meanwhile, all these leaks and stories do is give underperforming players an excuse - instead at looking at their own performances they will just blame the coach. Once again, because the board are looking to shift blame and save face the fans, players and coach are the ones that suffer.
 
I'm for keeping Madge but the narrative that tigers will have sacked 5 coaches in 9 years is hyperbole. Jason Taylor, Mick Potter and Tim Sheens were sacked. Madge would be the fourth coach sacked. Cleary left us, he wasn't sacked. Four coaches sacked in ten years would be a fair few, but it's not really more than Penrith, gold coast, Manly, Warriors, Sharks, Newcastle, Brisbane, Souths etc. Really not much different. So it's a bit of a false narrative.
 
@telltails said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348117) said:
@jc99 said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348116) said:
Good balanced article regarding Hastings, tigers recruitment and Madge. A bit too long to post. Not expecting everyone to agree but good to hear every side of an argument

https://t.co/JMqZUCPDZ0

Yep good article with no agenda or finger pointing.

Found it a good read too. Thanks @JC99.

Only thing I will add is think our (fans) patience is wearing a little thin because we only wish to see the club/team keep their end of the bargain.
Despite all disappointment we(or most of us) wouldn't be able to stop supporting the team even if we tried to.
 
@tigerlily said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348122) said:
At South Sydney, he had a really tough, gritty team. The word was that the amount of wrestling and contact training they did was through the roof, and it reflected on the field. They dominated teams, competed year-in, year-out won a premiership.

They finished 12th the last 2 years he was coach. After 2014 it was a sharp decline.
 
@tigerlily said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348122) said:
This would have to be one of the most honest and insightful reads by anyone in the NRL media regarding the WestsTigers...Thank you and hats off to you Paul Gallen👏👏👏

**EXCLUSIVE: Paul Gallen calls for Wests Tigers to toughen up and stick with coach**

I don't know what the answer is for Wests Tigers - but I don't think it's sacking their coach, Michael Maguire.

Instead, I reckon they need to stick with 'Madge' and let him see through the job that he was hired for: toughening up the club and building a winning culture after so many disappointing seasons.

The Tigers never really recovered from that premiership and that was 16 years ago. They've had two finals appearances since and the last was a decade ago.

They don't have a culture of success. And my personal opinion is that currently, they just don't have the playing roster to do anything.

I had hopes for them at the start of the season, particularly with the speed in their outside backs. I never thought that they'd make the eight but I thought they could be competitive.

They just haven't played well. There's been times where they've competed but they were pretty ordinary on the weekend; hammered by a Manly side that's found it feet and has Tom Trbojevic back.

Even if they had Wayne Bennett or Craig Bellamy coaching that Wests Tigers roster, I don't know that they'd be going too much better.

The only reason you'd replace Michael Maguire is if you thought you'd attract big-name players with a different coach. But then again, that may be the club's fault as a whole rather than the coach.

I don't see that Wests Tigers have got any one player there that other guys would want to go and play with. That's a big part of their recruitment issue.

They haven't got any gun player, an Origin or Test star, who can attract another good player. Once you attract one, you get three, five, and all of a sudden you've got a strong roster; but that's not happening at the Tigers.

Maguire went to that club with a hard-nosed reputation but from what I've heard, he's totally changed. Once his normal approach didn't work, he was willing to adapt.

At South Sydney, he had a really tough, gritty team. The word was that the amount of wrestling and contact training they did was through the roof, and it reflected on the field. They dominated teams, competed year-in, year-out won a premiership.

What he has at the Tigers is a totally different roster. Despite his tough reputation, he's been adaptable and tried to work with the players he has. He started out as the Michael Maguire that we all know but changed to fit with his team.

Unfortunately for him, whatever's going on there at the moment isn't working. Even having adapted, the results just aren't there.

While I bring their problems back to the standard of the roster, it's always easier to sack one bloke than 17. It's always simpler to axe the coach than clear out the roster.

But if Wests Tigers get rid of Maguire, I reckon the next coach is on a hiding to nothing. Especially if he's a young coach. Maguire would be the fifth coach the Tigers have sacked in nine years.

Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire speaks to club officials during a training session. (Getty)
The fact that Madge tried to come in and introduce a harder edge to that club and it just hasn't worked so far ... that's the culture of Wests Tigers.

Even when they won the premiership, they were happy to win games 32-30. That's been their attitude for the last 16 years. That's what Wests Tigers are known for; scoring points and that's it.

You just don't see them in the grind too often, winning games with under 20 points. They win or lose by a lot, or win in high-scoring shootouts. That's been the culture of the entire club.

I think that bringing Michael Maguire in, with the reputation that he had, showed a willingness and a desire to change. That's a positive but so far it hasn't worked.

I think they just need to keep sticking it out with him. They only extended his contract last December, through to 2023.

I personally think that they should give him more of a chance to try to change the culture of that place. If you just sack him, nothing changes; the next bloke comes in and the cycle repeats.

They need to tell the players to toughen up. This is the way you need to play footy, you can't win 32-30 anymore, that's not the right attitude to have.

You've got to grind out the game and it's really evident that the Tigers can't do it.

Instead of adapting, perhaps Maguire should actually be sticking with his hardline stance. That's what they hired him for in the first place: to change the culture and bring a winning attitude. To introduce some grit to their club.

Every decent team has one thing in common: they back their defence. They're tough and resilient without the ball.

The Sharks team we won the comp with in 2016 didn't have a super-high completion rate but we always backed ourselves to defend our line if we made a mistake. That was our attitude.

An 85-90 per cent completion rate was ideal but we were willing to play footy and account for any mistakes with our defence. Wests Tigers seem to want to play footy without the defensive accountability.

The Storm, Roosters and Panthers, teams that are consistently at the top of the ladder, aren't sticking it under their arm for five tackles and putting a bomb up. They're willing to play footy and looking to score points from anywhere on the park, and they back their defence if it doesn't come off.

For a good side, a mistake in attack shouldn't mean a try up the other end. But that's what seems to happen too often with Wests Tigers. They want to play footy but an error then means the other team scores.

You can't win with that attitude. You've got to have confidence in your ability on both sides of the ball.

People have pointed to the Tigers releasing Benji Marshall as another reason for criticism. To be honest, I've got no problem with that.

Benji did leave the club for money early on, on top of a bust-up with their then-coach Mick Potter, so I don't think Wests Tigers really owed him anything. And Benji always had that Tigers attitude, where you scored points and defence wasn't a high priority.

He moved to a highly successful club and team, where he's playing really well. It was a good move for him; when you're in a strong team, you've only got to worry about doing your job and things happen for you.

Particularly on the weekend, Benji shone in that Rabbitohs team; but they're one of the NRL's strongest sides, as opposed to Wests Tigers.

Hate to say it but I think Gallen has a bunch of good points in there. Hard to argue with much of that.
 
@watersider said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348126) said:
I'm for keeping Madge but the narrative that tigers will have sacked 5 coaches in 9 years is hyperbole. Jason Taylor, Mick Potter and Tim Sheens were sacked. Madge would be the fourth coach sacked. Cleary left us, he wasn't sacked. Four coaches sacked in ten years would be a fair few, but it's not really more than Penrith, gold coast, Manly, Warriors, Sharks, Newcastle, Brisbane, Souths etc. Really not much different. So it's a bit of a false narrative.

Potter wasn’t sacked, just wasn’t extended
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348130) said:
@watersider said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348126) said:
I'm for keeping Madge but the narrative that tigers will have sacked 5 coaches in 9 years is hyperbole. Jason Taylor, Mick Potter and Tim Sheens were sacked. Madge would be the fourth coach sacked. Cleary left us, he wasn't sacked. Four coaches sacked in ten years would be a fair few, but it's not really more than Penrith, gold coast, Manly, Warriors, Sharks, Newcastle, Brisbane, Souths etc. Really not much different. So it's a bit of a false narrative.

Potter wasn’t sacked, just wasn’t extended

Stating something factual now gets downvoted on here. Pathetic
 
@avocadoontoast said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348130) said:
@watersider said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348126) said:
I'm for keeping Madge but the narrative that tigers will have sacked 5 coaches in 9 years is hyperbole. Jason Taylor, Mick Potter and Tim Sheens were sacked. Madge would be the fourth coach sacked. Cleary left us, he wasn't sacked. Four coaches sacked in ten years would be a fair few, but it's not really more than Penrith, gold coast, Manly, Warriors, Sharks, Newcastle, Brisbane, Souths etc. Really not much different. So it's a bit of a false narrative.

Potter wasn’t sacked, just wasn’t extended

He effectively was. He still lost his job

That wasn’t me who negged you btw ?
 
Sacked, not extended or left, whatever way it happened it's bad for the club. Cycling through coaches constantly isn't how you fix a club
 
@cctw said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348123) said:
Usually don't make posts like these, but the "sack Madge" storyline NEEDS to stop. The leaks about crisis meetings, players not wanting to play under Madge - they're coming from the same sources. People need to wise up and stop and think about why there are these leaks and what the possible agenda is behind them.

It is simple, the leaks come from the board in order to pass the blame on to the coach and take the focus away from them and their bad decisions. It has happened with all the previous coaches. If the team isn't performing, the board will leak stories to the media so the media and the fans run with the story and blame the coach. It makes it easier to sack the coach with the media and the fans backing while avoiding all blame.

The main shining lights to come out of the first 6 rounds are Stefano, Laurie, Simpkin, Luciano and Doueihi - all young guys bought the to club by Maguire. What more can Maguire do? Beyond that, what is any other coach currently available going to do.

Meanwhile, all these leaks and stories do is give underperforming players an excuse - instead at looking at their own performances they will just blame the coach. Once again, because the board are looking to shift blame and save face the fans, players and coach are the ones that suffer.

If the board is leaking the stuff does that not mean the writing is on the wall.... how much longer can he stick around if they're not backing him

Pretty messed up that the board never comes under as much scrutiny
 
@cctw said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348123) said:
Usually don't make posts like these, but the "sack Madge" storyline NEEDS to stop. The leaks about crisis meetings, players not wanting to play under Madge - they're coming from the same sources. People need to wise up and stop and think about why there are these leaks and what the possible agenda is behind them.

It is simple, the leaks come from the board in order to pass the blame on to the coach and take the focus away from them and their bad decisions. It has happened with all the previous coaches. If the team isn't performing, the board will leak stories to the media so the media and the fans run with the story and blame the coach. It makes it easier to sack the coach with the media and the fans backing while avoiding all blame.

The main shining lights to come out of the first 6 rounds are Stefano, Laurie, Simpkin, Luciano and Doueihi - all young guys bought the to club by Maguire. What more can Maguire do? Beyond that, what is any other coach currently available going to do.

Meanwhile, all these leaks and stories do is give underperforming players an excuse - instead at looking at their own performances they will just blame the coach. Once again, because the board are looking to shift blame and save face the fans, players and coach are the ones that suffer.

Shame we can't sack the bunch of flogs on the board.
 
@wt2k said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348135) said:
@cctw said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348123) said:
Usually don't make posts like these, but the "sack Madge" storyline NEEDS to stop. The leaks about crisis meetings, players not wanting to play under Madge - they're coming from the same sources. People need to wise up and stop and think about why there are these leaks and what the possible agenda is behind them.

It is simple, the leaks come from the board in order to pass the blame on to the coach and take the focus away from them and their bad decisions. It has happened with all the previous coaches. If the team isn't performing, the board will leak stories to the media so the media and the fans run with the story and blame the coach. It makes it easier to sack the coach with the media and the fans backing while avoiding all blame.

The main shining lights to come out of the first 6 rounds are Stefano, Laurie, Simpkin, Luciano and Doueihi - all young guys bought the to club by Maguire. What more can Maguire do? Beyond that, what is any other coach currently available going to do.

Meanwhile, all these leaks and stories do is give underperforming players an excuse - instead at looking at their own performances they will just blame the coach. Once again, because the board are looking to shift blame and save face the fans, players and coach are the ones that suffer.

Shame we can't sack the bunch of flogs on the board.

They've protected themselves well. But at least more and more fans are waking up to them.
 
@wt2k said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348135) said:
@cctw said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348123) said:
Usually don't make posts like these, but the "sack Madge" storyline NEEDS to stop. The leaks about crisis meetings, players not wanting to play under Madge - they're coming from the same sources. People need to wise up and stop and think about why there are these leaks and what the possible agenda is behind them.

It is simple, the leaks come from the board in order to pass the blame on to the coach and take the focus away from them and their bad decisions. It has happened with all the previous coaches. If the team isn't performing, the board will leak stories to the media so the media and the fans run with the story and blame the coach. It makes it easier to sack the coach with the media and the fans backing while avoiding all blame.

The main shining lights to come out of the first 6 rounds are Stefano, Laurie, Simpkin, Luciano and Doueihi - all young guys bought the to club by Maguire. What more can Maguire do? Beyond that, what is any other coach currently available going to do.

Meanwhile, all these leaks and stories do is give underperforming players an excuse - instead at looking at their own performances they will just blame the coach. Once again, because the board are looking to shift blame and save face the fans, players and coach are the ones that suffer.

Shame we can't sack the bunch of flogs on the board.

Lee what’s his name knows who they are, call them out!!
 
@tigerap said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348137) said:
@wt2k said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348135) said:
@cctw said in [Sack Madge](/post/1348123) said:
Usually don't make posts like these, but the "sack Madge" storyline NEEDS to stop. The leaks about crisis meetings, players not wanting to play under Madge - they're coming from the same sources. People need to wise up and stop and think about why there are these leaks and what the possible agenda is behind them.

It is simple, the leaks come from the board in order to pass the blame on to the coach and take the focus away from them and their bad decisions. It has happened with all the previous coaches. If the team isn't performing, the board will leak stories to the media so the media and the fans run with the story and blame the coach. It makes it easier to sack the coach with the media and the fans backing while avoiding all blame.

The main shining lights to come out of the first 6 rounds are Stefano, Laurie, Simpkin, Luciano and Doueihi - all young guys bought the to club by Maguire. What more can Maguire do? Beyond that, what is any other coach currently available going to do.

Meanwhile, all these leaks and stories do is give underperforming players an excuse - instead at looking at their own performances they will just blame the coach. Once again, because the board are looking to shift blame and save face the fans, players and coach are the ones that suffer.

Shame we can't sack the bunch of flogs on the board.

Lee what’s his name knows who they are, call them out!!

He is one of them?
 
Lee is a posh snob that wouldn’t be seen in the local pub across the road eating a parmi and having a beer..

He probably has 0 clue about our past.

Only love the huge amount of fans that follow Wests Tigers to fill his pockets in the long run.

The thing is, I believe it’s not the coach.

It’s the players.

Should make a thread of the 3 laziest/disinterested players you think are on the team

3. James Roberts - looks like a sook on the field and never smiling half the time
2. Thomas Mikeale - he’ll leave us next year
3. Nofa - sad to say it, but he prefers looking at the oppositions players before grabbing a ball, or better yet looks like a sook because he can’t see himself on the big screen, because the ball isn’t coming to him.
 
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