Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[happy_tiger]

Tim Sheens returning got me thinking of something.

A month or so ago when people were calling for Madge's head, and others were saying we need additional coaching staff, there was a myth doing the rounds to the effect of 'Madge doesn't want good or high profile assistants because he is paranoid about getting replaced by them'.

This is obviously rubbish, because he'd previously tried to bring Laurie Daley to the club.

Laurie isn’t a good coach.

If I had to choose between John Morris and Laurie Daley as our coach I would choose the latter.

He failed as nsw coach and hasn’t landed an NRL gig. Tells you something.

How many clubs has he applied for a coaching position with?

I’m not sure. I remember he went for a role overseas a couple of years back.

It seems to me that @Telltails argument is a fair bit stronger than yours Avo, as to whether Laurie Daley is a good coach or not.
Or maybe closer to the point is... your statement is pretty weak.

He’s never been an NRL coach. Apart from a few games for country NSW his only coaching appointment has been for NSW where he was fired. Do you have reason to believe he’s a good coach?

I have no idea if he is a good coach or not, but Madge wanted him, so that to me suggests he would have done a good job in the field Madge wanted him for.
You seem to be very strong with your negative view of Daley, but imo you dont have strong evidence to support your view.

I’m talking head coach, and I think the evidence is pretty clear. As an assistant I have no idea, might be a good halves coach.

Who knows who’s good at coaching though avo . Sometimes the dumbest dude in the room is the only one who can manages to get the message through . And the smartest , most switched on guy , can’t ever relay his message clearly , so it might as well be in faasi .
The thing that makes me agree with you though , is I can’t ever remember someone saying how astute of a RL mind Daley is . And most of the legends of the game who’ve gone on to true success , all had that “I can’t believe how switched this guy is” conversations about him.
The johns boys ,Cronk and Cameron Smith even our own Robbie , I’ve seen plenty of people have those types of convos about them . And usually people in the know .
Maybe I’m just too young , but I always remember the convos out of the Raiders being related to Stuart not Daley . Daley was the naturally talented / Kenny type . Not exactly a student of the game .
But like I said earlier , who knows who’s good or not . One thing I do know though , is many coaches are blokes who spent a lot of time on the bench , either through injury or not being good enough. I think that goes way further , having to be a student just to get a run on the field .

I agree, the best coaches were rarely the best players. I remember listening to a podcast (maybe matty John’s) where they were saying the players that weren’t as talented (Bellamy, Robinson etc) had to give it everything they had mentally and physically. Essentially when you couldn’t rely on raw talent you had to put so much extra time understanding the game.

You can't teach to a junior what you are going to see or what is going to happen in 3 plays time if you do this ,this and that .....

We all think Cam Smith might be a great coach ...but blokes like Lewis ,Sterling etc never could

I think when you see it 1st hand maybe it is different ....but then again you haven't seen any bloke these guys have played with turn into super coaches ....

 

[happy_tiger]

Boy is this thread tiresome. Madge will definitely see out 2021, you can guarantee it. I imagine he'll get a good whack at 2022 as well before any drastic decisions are made. By end of 2022 he's got 1 year left.

You can bang on endlessly about how much you dislike him, or the game has passed him by etc. but it won't change the club's decision-making this year.

I very seriously doubt the club has any intention of reinstalling Sheens as head coach.

Now maybe if there were a number of decent coaches on the market Tigers might be thinking differently, but there are not. There's Peptide Pete and Bomber Morris, that's it. Adam O'Brien and Holbrook were supposed to be the next good coaching candidates and they are doing absolutely nothing with two fairly handy rosters. Yet to be seen if Fitzgibbon can do anything at the Sharks.

If Fitzgibbon has early success he will be fine ...if not ...your either a 1st grade coach or your a great assistant coach ...as a few of the Melbourne assistants have proven just hanging around Bellamy and shaking his hand doesn't bring the magic ......

 

[mikey]

I'm wondering what some of the more out there serial Madge bashers were like as kids. All I can imagine is whining, snot-nosed, little toads that wanted their red cordial now and had little tanties when mummy said no.

Imagine taking others opinions on a coach so seriously that you have to resort to this sort of stuff. Pretty tragic ?

Less tragic than the fixation some people have. Meds must be in short supply.

 

[mikey]

I'm wondering what some of the more out there serial Madge bashers were like as kids. All I can imagine is whining, snot-nosed, little toads that wanted their red cordial now and had little tanties when mummy said no.

Usually after my little tantie my mum and dad whould wipe my nose and give me what I wanted . I hope management take note

Noted Mr Moses.

 

[mikey]

I'm wondering what some of the more out there serial Madge bashers were like as kids. All I can imagine is whining, snot-nosed, little toads that wanted their red cordial now and had little tanties when mummy said no.

I grew up in a very strict household, I got my fathers belt, steel cap boots up the bum, wooden handle of the feather duster, ironing cord from mum.
So you couldn't be further from the truth, and you sure as hell shouldn't be casting aspersions on other people without a clue of what went on, your comments mean nothing to me, as do your opinions

Did I mention you? Why do you take it so personally?
I find it interesting you accuse me of casting aspersions on you but don't see the irony when the Madge death-squad makes extremist comments on his ability to coach a team and manage people.

 

[avocadoontoast]

I'm wondering what some of the more out there serial Madge bashers were like as kids. All I can imagine is whining, snot-nosed, little toads that wanted their red cordial now and had little tanties when mummy said no.

Imagine taking others opinions on a coach so seriously that you have to resort to this sort of stuff. Pretty tragic ?

Less tragic than the fixation some people have. Meds must be in short supply.

Meds? So now you’re saying it’s a mental health issue. You’re a moron mate.

 

[mikey]

I'm wondering what some of the more out there serial Madge bashers were like as kids. All I can imagine is whining, snot-nosed, little toads that wanted their red cordial now and had little tanties when mummy said no.

Imagine taking others opinions on a coach so seriously that you have to resort to this sort of stuff. Pretty tragic ?

Less tragic than the fixation some people have. Meds must be in short supply.

Meds? So now you’re saying it’s a mental health issue. You’re a moron mate.

Yep. You're right. But a moron with a more balanced view of what might be happening within the club.

 

[avocadoontoast]

I'm wondering what some of the more out there serial Madge bashers were like as kids. All I can imagine is whining, snot-nosed, little toads that wanted their red cordial now and had little tanties when mummy said no.

Imagine taking others opinions on a coach so seriously that you have to resort to this sort of stuff. Pretty tragic ?

Less tragic than the fixation some people have. Meds must be in short supply.

Meds? So now you’re saying it’s a mental health issue. You’re a moron mate.

Yep. You're right. But a moron with a more balanced view of what might be happening within the club.

Nope, just a moron.

 

[Demps]

Alright brothers.
The day is about to begin...

Let's not abuse our fellow Tiger fans and start the day off right.

Team list Tueadays!

I'm sure we'll have something else to talk about by the days end.

Let's Go!
Go Tigers!
🐯🐯🐯

Have good day my brothers.
🔥🐯🔥🐯

 

[cochise]

Tim Sheens returning got me thinking of something.

A month or so ago when people were calling for Madge's head, and others were saying we need additional coaching staff, there was a myth doing the rounds to the effect of 'Madge doesn't want good or high profile assistants because he is paranoid about getting replaced by them'.

This is obviously rubbish, because he'd previously tried to bring Laurie Daley to the club.

Laurie isn’t a good coach.

If I had to choose between John Morris and Laurie Daley as our coach I would choose the latter.

He failed as nsw coach and hasn’t landed an NRL gig. Tells you something.

How many clubs has he applied for a coaching position with?

I’m not sure. I remember he went for a role overseas a couple of years back.

It seems to me that @Telltails argument is a fair bit stronger than yours Avo, as to whether Laurie Daley is a good coach or not.
Or maybe closer to the point is... your statement is pretty weak.

He’s never been an NRL coach. Apart from a few games for country NSW his only coaching appointment has been for NSW where he was fired. Do you have reason to believe he’s a good coach?

I have no idea if he is a good coach or not, but Madge wanted him, so that to me suggests he would have done a good job in the field Madge wanted him for.
You seem to be very strong with your negative view of Daley, but imo you dont have strong evidence to support your view.

I’m talking head coach, and I think the evidence is pretty clear. As an assistant I have no idea, might be a good halves coach.

Who knows who’s good at coaching though avo . Sometimes the dumbest dude in the room is the only one who can manages to get the message through . And the smartest , most switched on guy , can’t ever relay his message clearly , so it might as well be in faasi .
The thing that makes me agree with you though , is I can’t ever remember someone saying how astute of a RL mind Daley is . And most of the legends of the game who’ve gone on to true success , all had that “I can’t believe how switched this guy is” conversations about him.
The johns boys ,Cronk and Cameron Smith even our own Robbie , I’ve seen plenty of people have those types of convos about them . And usually people in the know .
Maybe I’m just too young , but I always remember the convos out of the Raiders being related to Stuart not Daley . Daley was the naturally talented / Kenny type . Not exactly a student of the game .
But like I said earlier , who knows who’s good or not . One thing I do know though , is many coaches are blokes who spent a lot of time on the bench , either through injury or not being good enough. I think that goes way further , having to be a student just to get a run on the field .

I agree, the best coaches were rarely the best players. I remember listening to a podcast (maybe matty John’s) where they were saying the players that weren’t as talented (Bellamy, Robinson etc) had to give it everything they had mentally and physically. Essentially when you couldn’t rely on raw talent you had to put so much extra time understanding the game.

I spent a long time in leadership roles in schools, I saw some really intelligent people who were terrible teachers. I worked out that sometimes when they would do something, especially in maths that they would complete a step automatically in their head that most people explicitly had to think about. When it came time to teaching that skill they would skip that step and confuse kids.

I think this is probably the case for some of the really good footballers too and when they go to coaching they are unable to get their message across as it was so instinctive and automatic for them

 

[mikey]

Tim Sheens returning got me thinking of something.

A month or so ago when people were calling for Madge's head, and others were saying we need additional coaching staff, there was a myth doing the rounds to the effect of 'Madge doesn't want good or high profile assistants because he is paranoid about getting replaced by them'.

This is obviously rubbish, because he'd previously tried to bring Laurie Daley to the club.

Laurie isn’t a good coach.

If I had to choose between John Morris and Laurie Daley as our coach I would choose the latter.

He failed as nsw coach and hasn’t landed an NRL gig. Tells you something.

How many clubs has he applied for a coaching position with?

I’m not sure. I remember he went for a role overseas a couple of years back.

It seems to me that @Telltails argument is a fair bit stronger than yours Avo, as to whether Laurie Daley is a good coach or not.
Or maybe closer to the point is... your statement is pretty weak.

He’s never been an NRL coach. Apart from a few games for country NSW his only coaching appointment has been for NSW where he was fired. Do you have reason to believe he’s a good coach?

I have no idea if he is a good coach or not, but Madge wanted him, so that to me suggests he would have done a good job in the field Madge wanted him for.
You seem to be very strong with your negative view of Daley, but imo you dont have strong evidence to support your view.

I’m talking head coach, and I think the evidence is pretty clear. As an assistant I have no idea, might be a good halves coach.

Who knows who’s good at coaching though avo . Sometimes the dumbest dude in the room is the only one who can manages to get the message through . And the smartest , most switched on guy , can’t ever relay his message clearly , so it might as well be in faasi .
The thing that makes me agree with you though , is I can’t ever remember someone saying how astute of a RL mind Daley is . And most of the legends of the game who’ve gone on to true success , all had that “I can’t believe how switched this guy is” conversations about him.
The johns boys ,Cronk and Cameron Smith even our own Robbie , I’ve seen plenty of people have those types of convos about them . And usually people in the know .
Maybe I’m just too young , but I always remember the convos out of the Raiders being related to Stuart not Daley . Daley was the naturally talented / Kenny type . Not exactly a student of the game .
But like I said earlier , who knows who’s good or not . One thing I do know though , is many coaches are blokes who spent a lot of time on the bench , either through injury or not being good enough. I think that goes way further , having to be a student just to get a run on the field .

I agree, the best coaches were rarely the best players. I remember listening to a podcast (maybe matty John’s) where they were saying the players that weren’t as talented (Bellamy, Robinson etc) had to give it everything they had mentally and physically. Essentially when you couldn’t rely on raw talent you had to put so much extra time understanding the game.

I spent a long time in leadership roles in schools, I saw some really intelligent people who were terrible teachers. I worked out that sometimes when they would do something, especially in maths that they would complete a step automatically in their head that most people explicitly had to think about. When it came time to teaching that skill they would skip that step and confuse kids.

I think this is probably the case for some of the really good footballers too and when they go to coaching they are unable to get their message across as it was so instinctive and automatic for them

Yep. The best teachers are those who break down steps in a process. They then apply the process to see the results and identify what the learners havent picked up on so they can remedy that problem.
One other very important thing they need is empathy with their learners so the learner trusts them enough to admit when they don't understand and ask for help.

 

[happy_tiger]

Tim Sheens returning got me thinking of something.

A month or so ago when people were calling for Madge's head, and others were saying we need additional coaching staff, there was a myth doing the rounds to the effect of 'Madge doesn't want good or high profile assistants because he is paranoid about getting replaced by them'.

This is obviously rubbish, because he'd previously tried to bring Laurie Daley to the club.

Laurie isn’t a good coach.

If I had to choose between John Morris and Laurie Daley as our coach I would choose the latter.

He failed as nsw coach and hasn’t landed an NRL gig. Tells you something.

How many clubs has he applied for a coaching position with?

I’m not sure. I remember he went for a role overseas a couple of years back.

It seems to me that @Telltails argument is a fair bit stronger than yours Avo, as to whether Laurie Daley is a good coach or not.
Or maybe closer to the point is... your statement is pretty weak.

He’s never been an NRL coach. Apart from a few games for country NSW his only coaching appointment has been for NSW where he was fired. Do you have reason to believe he’s a good coach?

I have no idea if he is a good coach or not, but Madge wanted him, so that to me suggests he would have done a good job in the field Madge wanted him for.
You seem to be very strong with your negative view of Daley, but imo you dont have strong evidence to support your view.

I’m talking head coach, and I think the evidence is pretty clear. As an assistant I have no idea, might be a good halves coach.

Who knows who’s good at coaching though avo . Sometimes the dumbest dude in the room is the only one who can manages to get the message through . And the smartest , most switched on guy , can’t ever relay his message clearly , so it might as well be in faasi .
The thing that makes me agree with you though , is I can’t ever remember someone saying how astute of a RL mind Daley is . And most of the legends of the game who’ve gone on to true success , all had that “I can’t believe how switched this guy is” conversations about him.
The johns boys ,Cronk and Cameron Smith even our own Robbie , I’ve seen plenty of people have those types of convos about them . And usually people in the know .
Maybe I’m just too young , but I always remember the convos out of the Raiders being related to Stuart not Daley . Daley was the naturally talented / Kenny type . Not exactly a student of the game .
But like I said earlier , who knows who’s good or not . One thing I do know though , is many coaches are blokes who spent a lot of time on the bench , either through injury or not being good enough. I think that goes way further , having to be a student just to get a run on the field .

I agree, the best coaches were rarely the best players. I remember listening to a podcast (maybe matty John’s) where they were saying the players that weren’t as talented (Bellamy, Robinson etc) had to give it everything they had mentally and physically. Essentially when you couldn’t rely on raw talent you had to put so much extra time understanding the game.

I spent a long time in leadership roles in schools, I saw some really intelligent people who were terrible teachers. I worked out that sometimes when they would do something, especially in maths that they would complete a step automatically in their head that most people explicitly had to think about. When it came time to teaching that skill they would skip that step and confuse kids.

I think this is probably the case for some of the really good footballers too and when they go to coaching they are unable to get their message across as it was so instinctive and automatic for them

Yeah ..I tried to teach my young fella some stuff in attack ...like looking for a defender to do a certain thing ...plant .....turn in out ......over committing or favouring a particular side ...it takes a helluva lot of patience ...it was a lot easier to show by actions .......playing touch and explaining what I was trying to achieve when he was defending on me and then freeze when I had achieved what I wanted ..helped make him a better defender as well

 

[twentyforty]

Tim Sheens returning got me thinking of something.

A month or so ago when people were calling for Madge's head, and others were saying we need additional coaching staff, there was a myth doing the rounds to the effect of 'Madge doesn't want good or high profile assistants because he is paranoid about getting replaced by them'.

This is obviously rubbish, because he'd previously tried to bring Laurie Daley to the club.

Laurie isn’t a good coach.

If I had to choose between John Morris and Laurie Daley as our coach I would choose the latter.

He failed as nsw coach and hasn’t landed an NRL gig. Tells you something.

How many clubs has he applied for a coaching position with?

I’m not sure. I remember he went for a role overseas a couple of years back.

It seems to me that @Telltails argument is a fair bit stronger than yours Avo, as to whether Laurie Daley is a good coach or not.
Or maybe closer to the point is... your statement is pretty weak.

He’s never been an NRL coach. Apart from a few games for country NSW his only coaching appointment has been for NSW where he was fired. Do you have reason to believe he’s a good coach?

I have no idea if he is a good coach or not, but Madge wanted him, so that to me suggests he would have done a good job in the field Madge wanted him for.
You seem to be very strong with your negative view of Daley, but imo you dont have strong evidence to support your view.

I’m talking head coach, and I think the evidence is pretty clear. As an assistant I have no idea, might be a good halves coach.

Who knows who’s good at coaching though avo . Sometimes the dumbest dude in the room is the only one who can manages to get the message through . And the smartest , most switched on guy , can’t ever relay his message clearly , so it might as well be in faasi .
The thing that makes me agree with you though , is I can’t ever remember someone saying how astute of a RL mind Daley is . And most of the legends of the game who’ve gone on to true success , all had that “I can’t believe how switched this guy is” conversations about him.
The johns boys ,Cronk and Cameron Smith even our own Robbie , I’ve seen plenty of people have those types of convos about them . And usually people in the know .
Maybe I’m just too young , but I always remember the convos out of the Raiders being related to Stuart not Daley . Daley was the naturally talented / Kenny type . Not exactly a student of the game .
But like I said earlier , who knows who’s good or not . One thing I do know though , is many coaches are blokes who spent a lot of time on the bench , either through injury or not being good enough. I think that goes way further , having to be a student just to get a run on the field .

I agree, the best coaches were rarely the best players. I remember listening to a podcast (maybe matty John’s) where they were saying the players that weren’t as talented (Bellamy, Robinson etc) had to give it everything they had mentally and physically. Essentially when you couldn’t rely on raw talent you had to put so much extra time understanding the game.

You can't teach to a junior what you are going to see or what is going to happen in 3 plays time if you do this ,this and that .....

We all think Cam Smith might be a great coach ...but blokes like Lewis ,Sterling etc never could

I think when you see it 1st hand maybe it is different ....but then again you haven't seen any bloke these guys have played with turn into super coaches ....

All the great players have highly developed cognitive skills, particularly exceptional spatial awareness, they know where the other 25 players are most of the time.

 

[cochise]

Tim Sheens returning got me thinking of something.

A month or so ago when people were calling for Madge's head, and others were saying we need additional coaching staff, there was a myth doing the rounds to the effect of 'Madge doesn't want good or high profile assistants because he is paranoid about getting replaced by them'.

This is obviously rubbish, because he'd previously tried to bring Laurie Daley to the club.

Laurie isn’t a good coach.

If I had to choose between John Morris and Laurie Daley as our coach I would choose the latter.

He failed as nsw coach and hasn’t landed an NRL gig. Tells you something.

How many clubs has he applied for a coaching position with?

I’m not sure. I remember he went for a role overseas a couple of years back.

It seems to me that @Telltails argument is a fair bit stronger than yours Avo, as to whether Laurie Daley is a good coach or not.
Or maybe closer to the point is... your statement is pretty weak.

He’s never been an NRL coach. Apart from a few games for country NSW his only coaching appointment has been for NSW where he was fired. Do you have reason to believe he’s a good coach?

I have no idea if he is a good coach or not, but Madge wanted him, so that to me suggests he would have done a good job in the field Madge wanted him for.
You seem to be very strong with your negative view of Daley, but imo you dont have strong evidence to support your view.

I’m talking head coach, and I think the evidence is pretty clear. As an assistant I have no idea, might be a good halves coach.

Who knows who’s good at coaching though avo . Sometimes the dumbest dude in the room is the only one who can manages to get the message through . And the smartest , most switched on guy , can’t ever relay his message clearly , so it might as well be in faasi .
The thing that makes me agree with you though , is I can’t ever remember someone saying how astute of a RL mind Daley is . And most of the legends of the game who’ve gone on to true success , all had that “I can’t believe how switched this guy is” conversations about him.
The johns boys ,Cronk and Cameron Smith even our own Robbie , I’ve seen plenty of people have those types of convos about them . And usually people in the know .
Maybe I’m just too young , but I always remember the convos out of the Raiders being related to Stuart not Daley . Daley was the naturally talented / Kenny type . Not exactly a student of the game .
But like I said earlier , who knows who’s good or not . One thing I do know though , is many coaches are blokes who spent a lot of time on the bench , either through injury or not being good enough. I think that goes way further , having to be a student just to get a run on the field .

I agree, the best coaches were rarely the best players. I remember listening to a podcast (maybe matty John’s) where they were saying the players that weren’t as talented (Bellamy, Robinson etc) had to give it everything they had mentally and physically. Essentially when you couldn’t rely on raw talent you had to put so much extra time understanding the game.

I spent a long time in leadership roles in schools, I saw some really intelligent people who were terrible teachers. I worked out that sometimes when they would do something, especially in maths that they would complete a step automatically in their head that most people explicitly had to think about. When it came time to teaching that skill they would skip that step and confuse kids.

I think this is probably the case for some of the really good footballers too and when they go to coaching they are unable to get their message across as it was so instinctive and automatic for them

Yeah ..I tried to teach my young fella some stuff in attack ...like looking for a defender to do a certain thing ...plant .....turn in out ......over committing or favouring a particular side ...it takes a helluva lot of patience ...it was a lot easier to show by actions .......playing touch and explaining what I was trying to achieve when he was defending on me and then freeze when I had achieved what I wanted ..helped make him a better defender as well

Yeah mate that is really good coaching and really highlights my point, those steps that you went through for really good players aren't a decision, it just comes naturally and happens. So when it comes time to coach that skill they can't break it down.

At the NRL level I think it comes out in strategy more than anything because they can't break the game down into small enough steps, for example when A happens I want you to do B. When they played that just happened in their mind automatically and instinctively so they don't know to highlight it.

 

[cochise]

Tim Sheens returning got me thinking of something.

A month or so ago when people were calling for Madge's head, and others were saying we need additional coaching staff, there was a myth doing the rounds to the effect of 'Madge doesn't want good or high profile assistants because he is paranoid about getting replaced by them'.

This is obviously rubbish, because he'd previously tried to bring Laurie Daley to the club.

Laurie isn’t a good coach.

If I had to choose between John Morris and Laurie Daley as our coach I would choose the latter.

He failed as nsw coach and hasn’t landed an NRL gig. Tells you something.

How many clubs has he applied for a coaching position with?

I’m not sure. I remember he went for a role overseas a couple of years back.

It seems to me that @Telltails argument is a fair bit stronger than yours Avo, as to whether Laurie Daley is a good coach or not.
Or maybe closer to the point is... your statement is pretty weak.

He’s never been an NRL coach. Apart from a few games for country NSW his only coaching appointment has been for NSW where he was fired. Do you have reason to believe he’s a good coach?

I have no idea if he is a good coach or not, but Madge wanted him, so that to me suggests he would have done a good job in the field Madge wanted him for.
You seem to be very strong with your negative view of Daley, but imo you dont have strong evidence to support your view.

I’m talking head coach, and I think the evidence is pretty clear. As an assistant I have no idea, might be a good halves coach.

Who knows who’s good at coaching though avo . Sometimes the dumbest dude in the room is the only one who can manages to get the message through . And the smartest , most switched on guy , can’t ever relay his message clearly , so it might as well be in faasi .
The thing that makes me agree with you though , is I can’t ever remember someone saying how astute of a RL mind Daley is . And most of the legends of the game who’ve gone on to true success , all had that “I can’t believe how switched this guy is” conversations about him.
The johns boys ,Cronk and Cameron Smith even our own Robbie , I’ve seen plenty of people have those types of convos about them . And usually people in the know .
Maybe I’m just too young , but I always remember the convos out of the Raiders being related to Stuart not Daley . Daley was the naturally talented / Kenny type . Not exactly a student of the game .
But like I said earlier , who knows who’s good or not . One thing I do know though , is many coaches are blokes who spent a lot of time on the bench , either through injury or not being good enough. I think that goes way further , having to be a student just to get a run on the field .

I agree, the best coaches were rarely the best players. I remember listening to a podcast (maybe matty John’s) where they were saying the players that weren’t as talented (Bellamy, Robinson etc) had to give it everything they had mentally and physically. Essentially when you couldn’t rely on raw talent you had to put so much extra time understanding the game.

You can't teach to a junior what you are going to see or what is going to happen in 3 plays time if you do this ,this and that .....

We all think Cam Smith might be a great coach ...but blokes like Lewis ,Sterling etc never could

I think when you see it 1st hand maybe it is different ....but then again you haven't seen any bloke these guys have played with turn into super coaches ....


All the great players have highly developed cognitive skills, particularly exceptional spatial awareness, they know where the other 25 players are most of the time.

Exactly, where as a lesser player has to look for clues in the defensive line they have already seen and adapted without thinking about it.

 

[twentyforty]

Tim Sheens returning got me thinking of something.

A month or so ago when people were calling for Madge's head, and others were saying we need additional coaching staff, there was a myth doing the rounds to the effect of 'Madge doesn't want good or high profile assistants because he is paranoid about getting replaced by them'.

This is obviously rubbish, because he'd previously tried to bring Laurie Daley to the club.

Laurie isn’t a good coach.

If I had to choose between John Morris and Laurie Daley as our coach I would choose the latter.

He failed as nsw coach and hasn’t landed an NRL gig. Tells you something.

How many clubs has he applied for a coaching position with?

I’m not sure. I remember he went for a role overseas a couple of years back.

It seems to me that @Telltails argument is a fair bit stronger than yours Avo, as to whether Laurie Daley is a good coach or not.
Or maybe closer to the point is... your statement is pretty weak.

He’s never been an NRL coach. Apart from a few games for country NSW his only coaching appointment has been for NSW where he was fired. Do you have reason to believe he’s a good coach?

I have no idea if he is a good coach or not, but Madge wanted him, so that to me suggests he would have done a good job in the field Madge wanted him for.
You seem to be very strong with your negative view of Daley, but imo you dont have strong evidence to support your view.

I’m talking head coach, and I think the evidence is pretty clear. As an assistant I have no idea, might be a good halves coach.

Who knows who’s good at coaching though avo . Sometimes the dumbest dude in the room is the only one who can manages to get the message through . And the smartest , most switched on guy , can’t ever relay his message clearly , so it might as well be in faasi .
The thing that makes me agree with you though , is I can’t ever remember someone saying how astute of a RL mind Daley is . And most of the legends of the game who’ve gone on to true success , all had that “I can’t believe how switched this guy is” conversations about him.
The johns boys ,Cronk and Cameron Smith even our own Robbie , I’ve seen plenty of people have those types of convos about them . And usually people in the know .
Maybe I’m just too young , but I always remember the convos out of the Raiders being related to Stuart not Daley . Daley was the naturally talented / Kenny type . Not exactly a student of the game .
But like I said earlier , who knows who’s good or not . One thing I do know though , is many coaches are blokes who spent a lot of time on the bench , either through injury or not being good enough. I think that goes way further , having to be a student just to get a run on the field .

I agree, the best coaches were rarely the best players. I remember listening to a podcast (maybe matty John’s) where they were saying the players that weren’t as talented (Bellamy, Robinson etc) had to give it everything they had mentally and physically. Essentially when you couldn’t rely on raw talent you had to put so much extra time understanding the game.

You can't teach to a junior what you are going to see or what is going to happen in 3 plays time if you do this ,this and that .....

We all think Cam Smith might be a great coach ...but blokes like Lewis ,Sterling etc never could

I think when you see it 1st hand maybe it is different ....but then again you haven't seen any bloke these guys have played with turn into super coaches ....


All the great players have highly developed cognitive skills, particularly exceptional spatial awareness, they know where the other 25 players are most of the time.

Exactly, where as a lesser player has to look for clues in the defensive line they have already seen and adapted without thinking about it.

Yep, that’s the key! Doing the right thing at the right time automatically without conscious forethought or effort.

 

[tony soprano]

Blaming the coach for a decade of failure is really clutching at straws. Teams have to be built from the ground up you can’t recruit your way out of dramas. Big name players in Sydney will always sign with winning teams Roosters/Rabbits/Eels. You can get them if you pay overs and screw the cap again.

Titans, Knights are current examples. You also can’t train and select better teams to win if the talent is not at the level of the opposition in particular against the top 5 sides.

We will get flogged virtually every game against Panthers, Storm, Eels, Roosters, Rabbits. Mark it down remember it and don’t blame the coach as it is obvious. We will compete against most other sides.

The club is starting to invest properly in its football department finally and the answer is replace the coach. It’s fantasy stuff it won’t change anything but likely make things worse.

Doesn’t help team selections

 

[Cheshire]

It seem Maguire thinks he's still coaching Souths in 2014. He coaches a very unimaginative game style - forwards belting it up time and time again the kick and that was easily handled by Parra. Poor Alex Twal. Little wonder Madge found no room for Benji - he has too much spark for this Tigers style of play. I hope Tim Sheens can add a bit of creativity to our style of play.

 

[TrueTiger]

It seem Maguire thinks he's still coaching Souths in 2014. He coaches a very unimaginative game style - forwards belting it up time and time again the kick and that was easily handled by Parra. Poor Alex Twal. Little wonder Madge found no room for Benji - he has too much spark for this Tigers style of play. I hope Tim Sheens can add a bit of creativity to our style of play.

If the forwards cant make progress up field and set a platform, how can the play makers and backs create spark or flair in attack..Benji may have had spark and flair but his defense was woeful...Madge builds his game plan and structures on defense..when the defense and go forward comes,so will the flair in attack...

 

[pawsandclaws1]

It seem Maguire thinks he's still coaching Souths in 2014. He coaches a very unimaginative game style - forwards belting it up time and time again the kick and that was easily handled by Parra. Poor Alex Twal. Little wonder Madge found no room for Benji - he has too much spark for this Tigers style of play. I hope Tim Sheens can add a bit of creativity to our style of play.

If the forwards cant make progress up field and set a platform, how can the play makers and backs create spark or flair in attack..Benji may have had spark and flair but his defense was woeful...Madge builds his game plan and structures on defense..when the defense and go forward comes,so will the flair in attack...

Yet we're averaging what 30 points against us per game? If his whole game is built on defence, it's not a great measure of success!