Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[happy_tiger]

Tim Sheens returning got me thinking of something.

A month or so ago when people were calling for Madge's head, and others were saying we need additional coaching staff, there was a myth doing the rounds to the effect of 'Madge doesn't want good or high profile assistants because he is paranoid about getting replaced by them'.

This is obviously rubbish, because he'd previously tried to bring Laurie Daley to the club.

Laurie isn’t a good coach.

If I had to choose between John Morris and Laurie Daley as our coach I would choose the latter.

He failed as nsw coach and hasn’t landed an NRL gig. Tells you something.

How many clubs has he applied for a coaching position with?

I’m not sure. I remember he went for a role overseas a couple of years back.

It seems to me that @Telltails argument is a fair bit stronger than yours Avo, as to whether Laurie Daley is a good coach or not.
Or maybe closer to the point is... your statement is pretty weak.

He’s never been an NRL coach. Apart from a few games for country NSW his only coaching appointment has been for NSW where he was fired. Do you have reason to believe he’s a good coach?

I have no idea if he is a good coach or not, but Madge wanted him, so that to me suggests he would have done a good job in the field Madge wanted him for.
You seem to be very strong with your negative view of Daley, but imo you dont have strong evidence to support your view.

I’m talking head coach, and I think the evidence is pretty clear. As an assistant I have no idea, might be a good halves coach.

Who knows who’s good at coaching though avo . Sometimes the dumbest dude in the room is the only one who can manages to get the message through . And the smartest , most switched on guy , can’t ever relay his message clearly , so it might as well be in faasi .
The thing that makes me agree with you though , is I can’t ever remember someone saying how astute of a RL mind Daley is . And most of the legends of the game who’ve gone on to true success , all had that “I can’t believe how switched this guy is” conversations about him.
The johns boys ,Cronk and Cameron Smith even our own Robbie , I’ve seen plenty of people have those types of convos about them . And usually people in the know .
Maybe I’m just too young , but I always remember the convos out of the Raiders being related to Stuart not Daley . Daley was the naturally talented / Kenny type . Not exactly a student of the game .
But like I said earlier , who knows who’s good or not . One thing I do know though , is many coaches are blokes who spent a lot of time on the bench , either through injury or not being good enough. I think that goes way further , having to be a student just to get a run on the field .

I agree, the best coaches were rarely the best players. I remember listening to a podcast (maybe matty John’s) where they were saying the players that weren’t as talented (Bellamy, Robinson etc) had to give it everything they had mentally and physically. Essentially when you couldn’t rely on raw talent you had to put so much extra time understanding the game.

You can't teach to a junior what you are going to see or what is going to happen in 3 plays time if you do this ,this and that .....

We all think Cam Smith might be a great coach ...but blokes like Lewis ,Sterling etc never could

I think when you see it 1st hand maybe it is different ....but then again you haven't seen any bloke these guys have played with turn into super coaches ....


All the great players have highly developed cognitive skills, particularly exceptional spatial awareness, they know where the other 25 players are most of the time.

Exactly, where as a lesser player has to look for clues in the defensive line they have already seen and adapted without thinking about it.

All your doing is counting numbers ...fortunately for me I could count to 13

 

[cochise]

Tim Sheens returning got me thinking of something.

A month or so ago when people were calling for Madge's head, and others were saying we need additional coaching staff, there was a myth doing the rounds to the effect of 'Madge doesn't want good or high profile assistants because he is paranoid about getting replaced by them'.

This is obviously rubbish, because he'd previously tried to bring Laurie Daley to the club.

Laurie isn’t a good coach.

If I had to choose between John Morris and Laurie Daley as our coach I would choose the latter.

He failed as nsw coach and hasn’t landed an NRL gig. Tells you something.

How many clubs has he applied for a coaching position with?

I’m not sure. I remember he went for a role overseas a couple of years back.

It seems to me that @Telltails argument is a fair bit stronger than yours Avo, as to whether Laurie Daley is a good coach or not.
Or maybe closer to the point is... your statement is pretty weak.

He’s never been an NRL coach. Apart from a few games for country NSW his only coaching appointment has been for NSW where he was fired. Do you have reason to believe he’s a good coach?

I have no idea if he is a good coach or not, but Madge wanted him, so that to me suggests he would have done a good job in the field Madge wanted him for.
You seem to be very strong with your negative view of Daley, but imo you dont have strong evidence to support your view.

I’m talking head coach, and I think the evidence is pretty clear. As an assistant I have no idea, might be a good halves coach.

Who knows who’s good at coaching though avo . Sometimes the dumbest dude in the room is the only one who can manages to get the message through . And the smartest , most switched on guy , can’t ever relay his message clearly , so it might as well be in faasi .
The thing that makes me agree with you though , is I can’t ever remember someone saying how astute of a RL mind Daley is . And most of the legends of the game who’ve gone on to true success , all had that “I can’t believe how switched this guy is” conversations about him.
The johns boys ,Cronk and Cameron Smith even our own Robbie , I’ve seen plenty of people have those types of convos about them . And usually people in the know .
Maybe I’m just too young , but I always remember the convos out of the Raiders being related to Stuart not Daley . Daley was the naturally talented / Kenny type . Not exactly a student of the game .
But like I said earlier , who knows who’s good or not . One thing I do know though , is many coaches are blokes who spent a lot of time on the bench , either through injury or not being good enough. I think that goes way further , having to be a student just to get a run on the field .

I agree, the best coaches were rarely the best players. I remember listening to a podcast (maybe matty John’s) where they were saying the players that weren’t as talented (Bellamy, Robinson etc) had to give it everything they had mentally and physically. Essentially when you couldn’t rely on raw talent you had to put so much extra time understanding the game.

You can't teach to a junior what you are going to see or what is going to happen in 3 plays time if you do this ,this and that .....

We all think Cam Smith might be a great coach ...but blokes like Lewis ,Sterling etc never could

I think when you see it 1st hand maybe it is different ....but then again you haven't seen any bloke these guys have played with turn into super coaches ....


All the great players have highly developed cognitive skills, particularly exceptional spatial awareness, they know where the other 25 players are most of the time.

Exactly, where as a lesser player has to look for clues in the defensive line they have already seen and adapted without thinking about it.

All your doing is counting numbers ...fortunately for me I could count to 13

Its more than that though, things like seeing an outside defender turn his shoulders in was a cue for me to hit the short man as the defender has bitten and the short man will be running into space. Me being an average footballer I had to explicitly look for these cues while some better players just naturally reacted to them. I think it made me a better coach though as I was able to break that down into specific skills where as someone that just reacted to it doesn't always realise what it is that causes them to react, it just happens.

If that makes any sense lol

 

[happy_tiger]

Tim Sheens returning got me thinking of something.

A month or so ago when people were calling for Madge's head, and others were saying we need additional coaching staff, there was a myth doing the rounds to the effect of 'Madge doesn't want good or high profile assistants because he is paranoid about getting replaced by them'.

This is obviously rubbish, because he'd previously tried to bring Laurie Daley to the club.

Laurie isn’t a good coach.

If I had to choose between John Morris and Laurie Daley as our coach I would choose the latter.

He failed as nsw coach and hasn’t landed an NRL gig. Tells you something.

How many clubs has he applied for a coaching position with?

I’m not sure. I remember he went for a role overseas a couple of years back.

It seems to me that @Telltails argument is a fair bit stronger than yours Avo, as to whether Laurie Daley is a good coach or not.
Or maybe closer to the point is... your statement is pretty weak.

He’s never been an NRL coach. Apart from a few games for country NSW his only coaching appointment has been for NSW where he was fired. Do you have reason to believe he’s a good coach?

I have no idea if he is a good coach or not, but Madge wanted him, so that to me suggests he would have done a good job in the field Madge wanted him for.
You seem to be very strong with your negative view of Daley, but imo you dont have strong evidence to support your view.

I’m talking head coach, and I think the evidence is pretty clear. As an assistant I have no idea, might be a good halves coach.

Who knows who’s good at coaching though avo . Sometimes the dumbest dude in the room is the only one who can manages to get the message through . And the smartest , most switched on guy , can’t ever relay his message clearly , so it might as well be in faasi .
The thing that makes me agree with you though , is I can’t ever remember someone saying how astute of a RL mind Daley is . And most of the legends of the game who’ve gone on to true success , all had that “I can’t believe how switched this guy is” conversations about him.
The johns boys ,Cronk and Cameron Smith even our own Robbie , I’ve seen plenty of people have those types of convos about them . And usually people in the know .
Maybe I’m just too young , but I always remember the convos out of the Raiders being related to Stuart not Daley . Daley was the naturally talented / Kenny type . Not exactly a student of the game .
But like I said earlier , who knows who’s good or not . One thing I do know though , is many coaches are blokes who spent a lot of time on the bench , either through injury or not being good enough. I think that goes way further , having to be a student just to get a run on the field .

I agree, the best coaches were rarely the best players. I remember listening to a podcast (maybe matty John’s) where they were saying the players that weren’t as talented (Bellamy, Robinson etc) had to give it everything they had mentally and physically. Essentially when you couldn’t rely on raw talent you had to put so much extra time understanding the game.

You can't teach to a junior what you are going to see or what is going to happen in 3 plays time if you do this ,this and that .....

We all think Cam Smith might be a great coach ...but blokes like Lewis ,Sterling etc never could

I think when you see it 1st hand maybe it is different ....but then again you haven't seen any bloke these guys have played with turn into super coaches ....


All the great players have highly developed cognitive skills, particularly exceptional spatial awareness, they know where the other 25 players are most of the time.

Exactly, where as a lesser player has to look for clues in the defensive line they have already seen and adapted without thinking about it.

All your doing is counting numbers ...fortunately for me I could count to 13

Its more than that though, things like seeing an outside defender turn his shoulders in was a cue for me to hit the short man as the defender has bitten and the short man will be running into space. Me being an average footballer I had to explicitly look for these cues while some better players just naturally reacted to them. I think it made me a better coach though as I was able to break that down into specific skills where as someone that just reacted to it doesn't always realise what it is that causes them to react, it just happens.

If that makes any sense lol

As a fullback ...all your doing is counting numbers in defence ..... yours and the opposition ...and then screaming yourself hoarse hoping the numbnuts in front of you are listening

 

[cochise]

Tim Sheens returning got me thinking of something.

A month or so ago when people were calling for Madge's head, and others were saying we need additional coaching staff, there was a myth doing the rounds to the effect of 'Madge doesn't want good or high profile assistants because he is paranoid about getting replaced by them'.

This is obviously rubbish, because he'd previously tried to bring Laurie Daley to the club.

Laurie isn’t a good coach.

If I had to choose between John Morris and Laurie Daley as our coach I would choose the latter.

He failed as nsw coach and hasn’t landed an NRL gig. Tells you something.

How many clubs has he applied for a coaching position with?

I’m not sure. I remember he went for a role overseas a couple of years back.

It seems to me that @Telltails argument is a fair bit stronger than yours Avo, as to whether Laurie Daley is a good coach or not.
Or maybe closer to the point is... your statement is pretty weak.

He’s never been an NRL coach. Apart from a few games for country NSW his only coaching appointment has been for NSW where he was fired. Do you have reason to believe he’s a good coach?

I have no idea if he is a good coach or not, but Madge wanted him, so that to me suggests he would have done a good job in the field Madge wanted him for.
You seem to be very strong with your negative view of Daley, but imo you dont have strong evidence to support your view.

I’m talking head coach, and I think the evidence is pretty clear. As an assistant I have no idea, might be a good halves coach.

Who knows who’s good at coaching though avo . Sometimes the dumbest dude in the room is the only one who can manages to get the message through . And the smartest , most switched on guy , can’t ever relay his message clearly , so it might as well be in faasi .
The thing that makes me agree with you though , is I can’t ever remember someone saying how astute of a RL mind Daley is . And most of the legends of the game who’ve gone on to true success , all had that “I can’t believe how switched this guy is” conversations about him.
The johns boys ,Cronk and Cameron Smith even our own Robbie , I’ve seen plenty of people have those types of convos about them . And usually people in the know .
Maybe I’m just too young , but I always remember the convos out of the Raiders being related to Stuart not Daley . Daley was the naturally talented / Kenny type . Not exactly a student of the game .
But like I said earlier , who knows who’s good or not . One thing I do know though , is many coaches are blokes who spent a lot of time on the bench , either through injury or not being good enough. I think that goes way further , having to be a student just to get a run on the field .

I agree, the best coaches were rarely the best players. I remember listening to a podcast (maybe matty John’s) where they were saying the players that weren’t as talented (Bellamy, Robinson etc) had to give it everything they had mentally and physically. Essentially when you couldn’t rely on raw talent you had to put so much extra time understanding the game.

You can't teach to a junior what you are going to see or what is going to happen in 3 plays time if you do this ,this and that .....

We all think Cam Smith might be a great coach ...but blokes like Lewis ,Sterling etc never could

I think when you see it 1st hand maybe it is different ....but then again you haven't seen any bloke these guys have played with turn into super coaches ....


All the great players have highly developed cognitive skills, particularly exceptional spatial awareness, they know where the other 25 players are most of the time.

Exactly, where as a lesser player has to look for clues in the defensive line they have already seen and adapted without thinking about it.

All your doing is counting numbers ...fortunately for me I could count to 13

Its more than that though, things like seeing an outside defender turn his shoulders in was a cue for me to hit the short man as the defender has bitten and the short man will be running into space. Me being an average footballer I had to explicitly look for these cues while some better players just naturally reacted to them. I think it made me a better coach though as I was able to break that down into specific skills where as someone that just reacted to it doesn't always realise what it is that causes them to react, it just happens.

If that makes any sense lol

As a fullback ...all your doing is counting numbers in defence ..... yours and the opposition ...and then screaming yourself hoarse hoping the numbnuts in front of you are listening

Yeah mate I get that lol I was a terrible fullback

 

[happy_tiger]

Tim Sheens returning got me thinking of something.

A month or so ago when people were calling for Madge's head, and others were saying we need additional coaching staff, there was a myth doing the rounds to the effect of 'Madge doesn't want good or high profile assistants because he is paranoid about getting replaced by them'.

This is obviously rubbish, because he'd previously tried to bring Laurie Daley to the club.

Laurie isn’t a good coach.

If I had to choose between John Morris and Laurie Daley as our coach I would choose the latter.

He failed as nsw coach and hasn’t landed an NRL gig. Tells you something.

How many clubs has he applied for a coaching position with?

I’m not sure. I remember he went for a role overseas a couple of years back.

It seems to me that @Telltails argument is a fair bit stronger than yours Avo, as to whether Laurie Daley is a good coach or not.
Or maybe closer to the point is... your statement is pretty weak.

He’s never been an NRL coach. Apart from a few games for country NSW his only coaching appointment has been for NSW where he was fired. Do you have reason to believe he’s a good coach?

I have no idea if he is a good coach or not, but Madge wanted him, so that to me suggests he would have done a good job in the field Madge wanted him for.
You seem to be very strong with your negative view of Daley, but imo you dont have strong evidence to support your view.

I’m talking head coach, and I think the evidence is pretty clear. As an assistant I have no idea, might be a good halves coach.

Who knows who’s good at coaching though avo . Sometimes the dumbest dude in the room is the only one who can manages to get the message through . And the smartest , most switched on guy , can’t ever relay his message clearly , so it might as well be in faasi .
The thing that makes me agree with you though , is I can’t ever remember someone saying how astute of a RL mind Daley is . And most of the legends of the game who’ve gone on to true success , all had that “I can’t believe how switched this guy is” conversations about him.
The johns boys ,Cronk and Cameron Smith even our own Robbie , I’ve seen plenty of people have those types of convos about them . And usually people in the know .
Maybe I’m just too young , but I always remember the convos out of the Raiders being related to Stuart not Daley . Daley was the naturally talented / Kenny type . Not exactly a student of the game .
But like I said earlier , who knows who’s good or not . One thing I do know though , is many coaches are blokes who spent a lot of time on the bench , either through injury or not being good enough. I think that goes way further , having to be a student just to get a run on the field .

I agree, the best coaches were rarely the best players. I remember listening to a podcast (maybe matty John’s) where they were saying the players that weren’t as talented (Bellamy, Robinson etc) had to give it everything they had mentally and physically. Essentially when you couldn’t rely on raw talent you had to put so much extra time understanding the game.

You can't teach to a junior what you are going to see or what is going to happen in 3 plays time if you do this ,this and that .....

We all think Cam Smith might be a great coach ...but blokes like Lewis ,Sterling etc never could

I think when you see it 1st hand maybe it is different ....but then again you haven't seen any bloke these guys have played with turn into super coaches ....


All the great players have highly developed cognitive skills, particularly exceptional spatial awareness, they know where the other 25 players are most of the time.

Exactly, where as a lesser player has to look for clues in the defensive line they have already seen and adapted without thinking about it.

All your doing is counting numbers ...fortunately for me I could count to 13

Its more than that though, things like seeing an outside defender turn his shoulders in was a cue for me to hit the short man as the defender has bitten and the short man will be running into space. Me being an average footballer I had to explicitly look for these cues while some better players just naturally reacted to them. I think it made me a better coach though as I was able to break that down into specific skills where as someone that just reacted to it doesn't always realise what it is that causes them to react, it just happens.

If that makes any sense lol

As a fullback ...all your doing is counting numbers in defence ..... yours and the opposition ...and then screaming yourself hoarse hoping the numbnuts in front of you are listening

Yeah mate I get that lol I was a terrible fullback

Massive trust thing mate ...those 12 in front of you have to trust what your telling them

Being verbally aggressive with people who didn't listen was my go to ......if you didn't listen to me ..you copped it

I could live with it if you missed a tackle ...we all did that .....you weren't in the right position ......

But that was my job ......

 

[hobbo1]

It seem Maguire thinks he's still coaching Souths in 2014. He coaches a very unimaginative game style - forwards belting it up time and time again the kick and that was easily handled by Parra. Poor Alex Twal. Little wonder Madge found no room for Benji - he has too much spark for this Tigers style of play. I hope Tim Sheens can add a bit of creativity to our style of play.

If the forwards cant make progress up field and set a platform, how can the play makers and backs create spark or flair in attack..Benji may have had spark and flair but his defense was woeful...Madge builds his game plan and structures on defense..when the defense and go forward comes,so will the flair in attack...

Yet we're averaging what 30 points against us per game? If his whole game is built on defence, it's not a great measure of success!

You were the best ?
Can’t believe you didn’t make grade ..
You were ripped off .

 

[twentyforty]

It seem Maguire thinks he's still coaching Souths in 2014. He coaches a very unimaginative game style - forwards belting it up time and time again the kick and that was easily handled by Parra. Poor Alex Twal. Little wonder Madge found no room for Benji - he has too much spark for this Tigers style of play. I hope Tim Sheens can add a bit of creativity to our style of play.

If the forwards cant make progress up field and set a platform, how can the play makers and backs create spark or flair in attack..Benji may have had spark and flair but his defense was woeful...Madge builds his game plan and structures on defense..when the defense and go forward comes,so will the flair in attack...

Yet we're averaging what 30 points against us per game? If his whole game is built on defence, it's not a great measure of success!

Paws, if we used your logic, we have been on the improve by letting in only 22.4 points per game over the last 5 games? Including 3 games against top 8 teams.
I think the reason for this improvement is increased cohesion, more effective teamwork. Players knowing each other’s game.
I had to chuckle when Walters ran a hole behind Twal , far too enthusiastically to be a decoy, Just reminded me that he’s been out for a while. ?
There is not another coach on the planet who could have done a better job with what Madge walked into.
Give the guy until the end of 22 before passing judgement?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

It seem Maguire thinks he's still coaching Souths in 2014. He coaches a very unimaginative game style - forwards belting it up time and time again the kick and that was easily handled by Parra. Poor Alex Twal. Little wonder Madge found no room for Benji - he has too much spark for this Tigers style of play. I hope Tim Sheens can add a bit of creativity to our style of play.

If the forwards cant make progress up field and set a platform, how can the play makers and backs create spark or flair in attack..Benji may have had spark and flair but his defense was woeful...Madge builds his game plan and structures on defense..when the defense and go forward comes,so will the flair in attack...

Yet we're averaging what 30 points against us per game? If his whole game is built on defence, it's not a great measure of success!


Paws, if we used your logic, we have been on the improve by letting in only 22.4 points per game over the last 5 games? Including 3 games against top 8 teams.
I think the reason for this improvement is increased cohesion, more effective teamwork. Players knowing each other’s game.
I had to chuckle when Walters ran a hole behind Twal , far too enthusiastically to be a decoy, Just reminded me that he’s been out for a while. ?
There is not another coach on the planet who could have done a better job with what Madge walked into.
Give the guy until the end of 22 before passing judgement?

So when is the defence coming as TT wrote? It's certainly hasn't been with us during Maguire's tenure.

He's only had three years. You don't believe that is not long enough to pass judgement?

Our squad is better than his results suggest.

 

[Geo]

I think I've established @cochise is the new Coach and happy can count to 22 but needs to take his socks off..

 

[voice_of_reason]

I think I've established @cochise is the new Coach and happy can count to 22 but needs to take his socks off..

Is that fingers, toes and heads?

 

[TigerWest]

Blaming the coach for a decade of failure is really clutching at straws. Teams have to be built from the ground up you can’t recruit your way out of dramas. Big name players in Sydney will always sign with winning teams Roosters/Rabbits/Eels. You can get them if you pay overs and screw the cap again.

Titans, Knights are current examples. You also can’t train and select better teams to win if the talent is not at the level of the opposition in particular against the top 5 sides.

We will get flogged virtually every game against Panthers, Storm, Eels, Roosters, Rabbits. Mark it down remember it and don’t blame the coach as it is obvious. We will compete against most other sides.

The club is starting to invest properly in its football department finally and the answer is replace the coach. It’s fantasy stuff it won’t change anything but likely make things worse.

The new narrative, don't blame the coach for the defeats but give him the kudos for the wins. If you want to establish a culture of mediocrity let's go with this initiative.

Yep, better to bring in a bloke who was kicked out of here plus a few other clubs, is 70 yo, hasn't been involved in the game in Australia for 10 years? You don't see anything wrong with this?
Madge is our man to sort the crap out. We are not ready to compete against the powerhouses yet, but we are getting there.

Madge is our man.?

All the way with LBJ.

And a 70 year old at Souths seems to go alright.

The 70yo at Souths hasn't been out of coaching in the NRL for 10 yrs.

 

[twentyforty]

It seem Maguire thinks he's still coaching Souths in 2014. He coaches a very unimaginative game style - forwards belting it up time and time again the kick and that was easily handled by Parra. Poor Alex Twal. Little wonder Madge found no room for Benji - he has too much spark for this Tigers style of play. I hope Tim Sheens can add a bit of creativity to our style of play.

If the forwards cant make progress up field and set a platform, how can the play makers and backs create spark or flair in attack..Benji may have had spark and flair but his defense was woeful...Madge builds his game plan and structures on defense..when the defense and go forward comes,so will the flair in attack...

Yet we're averaging what 30 points against us per game? If his whole game is built on defence, it's not a great measure of success!


Paws, if we used your logic, we have been on the improve by letting in only 22.4 points per game over the last 5 games? Including 3 games against top 8 teams.
I think the reason for this improvement is increased cohesion, more effective teamwork. Players knowing each other’s game.
I had to chuckle when Walters ran a hole behind Twal , far too enthusiastically to be a decoy, Just reminded me that he’s been out for a while. ?
There is not another coach on the planet who could have done a better job with what Madge walked into.
Give the guy until the end of 22 before passing judgement?

So when is the defence coming as TT wrote? It's certainly hasn't been with us during Maguire's tenure.

He's only had three years. You don't believe that is not long enough to pass judgement?

Our squad is better than his results suggest.

You’re expecting 20 game rookies to defend like 150 game vets. If I knew when it was coming I would tell you first ?

 

[851]

I'm wondering what some of the more out there serial Madge bashers were like as kids. All I can imagine is whining, snot-nosed, little toads that wanted their red cordial now and had little tanties when mummy said no.

I grew up in a very strict household, I got my fathers belt, steel cap boots up the bum, wooden handle of the feather duster, ironing cord from mum.
So you couldn't be further from the truth, and you sure as hell shouldn't be casting aspersions on other people without a clue of what went on, your comments mean nothing to me, as do your opinions

Did I mention you? Why do you take it so personally?
I find it interesting you accuse me of casting aspersions on you but don't see the irony when the Madge death-squad makes extremist comments on his ability to coach a team and manage people.

He is in the public eye and we have video and media access to all games, post match press conferences, and almost everything else involved in the game, not even close to people on this forum, who you wouldn't even know if you stood behind them at the checkout,

 

[mikey]

I'm wondering what some of the more out there serial Madge bashers were like as kids. All I can imagine is whining, snot-nosed, little toads that wanted their red cordial now and had little tanties when mummy said no.

I grew up in a very strict household, I got my fathers belt, steel cap boots up the bum, wooden handle of the feather duster, ironing cord from mum.
So you couldn't be further from the truth, and you sure as hell shouldn't be casting aspersions on other people without a clue of what went on, your comments mean nothing to me, as do your opinions

Did I mention you? Why do you take it so personally?
I find it interesting you accuse me of casting aspersions on you but don't see the irony when the Madge death-squad makes extremist comments on his ability to coach a team and manage people.

He is in the public eye and we have video and media access to all games, post match press conferences, and almost everything else involved in the game, not even close to people on this forum, who you wouldn't even know if you stood behind them at the checkout,

And is your point you can criticise as you feel because someone is in the public eye but you are above criticism when you make comments in the public eye i.e.this forum?

 

[pawsandclaws1]

I'm wondering what some of the more out there serial Madge bashers were like as kids. All I can imagine is whining, snot-nosed, little toads that wanted their red cordial now and had little tanties when mummy said no.

I grew up in a very strict household, I got my fathers belt, steel cap boots up the bum, wooden handle of the feather duster, ironing cord from mum.
So you couldn't be further from the truth, and you sure as hell shouldn't be casting aspersions on other people without a clue of what went on, your comments mean nothing to me, as do your opinions

Did I mention you? Why do you take it so personally?
I find it interesting you accuse me of casting aspersions on you but don't see the irony when the Madge death-squad makes extremist comments on his ability to coach a team and manage people.

He is in the public eye and we have video and media access to all games, post match press conferences, and almost everything else involved in the game, not even close to people on this forum, who you wouldn't even know if you stood behind them at the checkout,

And is your point you can criticise as you feel because someone is in the public eye but you are above criticism when you make comments in the public eye i.e.this forum?

Mikey,

The forum is a two way sounding board. We're not all going to agree but views can be exchanged in a respectful manner.

 

[BAGNF05]

It seem Maguire thinks he's still coaching Souths in 2014. He coaches a very unimaginative game style - forwards belting it up time and time again the kick and that was easily handled by Parra. Poor Alex Twal. Little wonder Madge found no room for Benji - he has too much spark for this Tigers style of play. I hope Tim Sheens can add a bit of creativity to our style of play.

If the forwards cant make progress up field and set a platform, how can the play makers and backs create spark or flair in attack..Benji may have had spark and flair but his defense was woeful...Madge builds his game plan and structures on defense..when the defense and go forward comes,so will the flair in attack...

Very true, we have improved our forwards in the middle this year and the next great challenge is to do the same in the back row/lock. When we can win the battle in the forwards everything else will come.

 

[851]

I'm wondering what some of the more out there serial Madge bashers were like as kids. All I can imagine is whining, snot-nosed, little toads that wanted their red cordial now and had little tanties when mummy said no.

I grew up in a very strict household, I got my fathers belt, steel cap boots up the bum, wooden handle of the feather duster, ironing cord from mum.
So you couldn't be further from the truth, and you sure as hell shouldn't be casting aspersions on other people without a clue of what went on, your comments mean nothing to me, as do your opinions

Did I mention you? Why do you take it so personally?
I find it interesting you accuse me of casting aspersions on you but don't see the irony when the Madge death-squad makes extremist comments on his ability to coach a team and manage people.

He is in the public eye and we have video and media access to all games, post match press conferences, and almost everything else involved in the game, not even close to people on this forum, who you wouldn't even know if you stood behind them at the checkout,

And is your point you can criticise as you feel because someone is in the public eye but you are above criticism when you make comments in the public eye i.e.this forum?

You missed the point again, nobody knows other people on the forum, so they have no idea what they do or how they carry on at work or everyday.
Madge is by choice having his life and job in the shop window, so anybody can see how he performs, there are no video's of us at work to judge us on, Madge can be judged because his work is there for all to see.
If by saying he has not achieved his mantra of fixing the defence, taking a 20 points against a game team, to now a 30 points against a game team in 3 years, is criticism you are mistaken.
If by saying he hasn't landed one high profile or sought after player, or hasn't got us in to the 8, not criticism, but facts, so by a KPI or any other gauge, that is a fail

 

[sleeve]

It seem Maguire thinks he's still coaching Souths in 2014. He coaches a very unimaginative game style - forwards belting it up time and time again the kick and that was easily handled by Parra. Poor Alex Twal. Little wonder Madge found no room for Benji - he has too much spark for this Tigers style of play. I hope Tim Sheens can add a bit of creativity to our style of play.

I am concerned with the coaching ,and selections. i was reticent to have a go at Madge,. His selections are baffling, his game plan lacks imagination. He has a quality young forward pack, thanks to Hartigan, but few have gone ahead.
Either himself or his staff lack the skills to improve this side.
People like Desi, Rickie, Bellamy,Flannagan, and Robinson , would have grown these players. Something is missing at the Tigers.

 

[TrueTiger]

It seem Maguire thinks he's still coaching Souths in 2014. He coaches a very unimaginative game style - forwards belting it up time and time again the kick and that was easily handled by Parra. Poor Alex Twal. Little wonder Madge found no room for Benji - he has too much spark for this Tigers style of play. I hope Tim Sheens can add a bit of creativity to our style of play.

I am concerned with the coaching ,and selections. i was reticent to have a go at Madge,. His selections are baffling, his game plan lacks imagination. He has a quality young forward pack, thanks to Hartigan, but few have gone ahead.
Either himself or his staff lack the skills to improve this side.
People like Desi, Rickie, Bellamy,Flannagan, and Robinson , would have grown these players. Something is missing at the Tigers.

I know whats missing....experienced,hardened,NRL players right through the squad.....Our squad is very young and learning each week,they cant be origin players after 15 rounds....

 

[BZN]

Blaming the coach for a decade of failure is really clutching at straws. Teams have to be built from the ground up you can’t recruit your way out of dramas. Big name players in Sydney will always sign with winning teams Roosters/Rabbits/Eels. You can get them if you pay overs and screw the cap again.

Titans, Knights are current examples. You also can’t train and select better teams to win if the talent is not at the level of the opposition in particular against the top 5 sides.

We will get flogged virtually every game against Panthers, Storm, Eels, Roosters, Rabbits. Mark it down remember it and don’t blame the coach as it is obvious. We will compete against most other sides.

The club is starting to invest properly in its football department finally and the answer is replace the coach. It’s fantasy stuff it won’t change anything but likely make things worse.

The new narrative, don't blame the coach for the defeats but give him the kudos for the wins. If you want to establish a culture of mediocrity let's go with this initiative.

Yep, better to bring in a bloke who was kicked out of here plus a few other clubs, is 70 yo, hasn't been involved in the game in Australia for 10 years? You don't see anything wrong with this?
Madge is our man to sort the crap out. We are not ready to compete against the powerhouses yet, but we are getting there.

Excellent posts from Yourself @TigerWest and @TrueTiger, with plenty of common sense and no personal attacks.