Madge Maguire - Mega Thread

[cochise]

I love Madge and will be disappointed if we part ways...really wanted him to bring us out of the hole but maybe we are just to too weak atm for his style...I reallly think we need to go for a coach with a great reputation and who players love...my two ideal options would be Wayne or filter...both would help us with attracting the right players

NOOOOOO to both


ciraldo or Flanagan?

Fittler and Bennett

Tbh I can’t really see any other coach changing this team besides tho two, due to their ability to get stars in the squad. Truth is we are a weak team...Madge is a good coach with an underperforming roster...imo no coach can get this team into the the top...so either stick with Madge and co and try and rebuild culture from the bottom down or get a high profile coach like Freddy or Wayne to attract top tier talent

Fittler is a dunce who does well at origin level due to the quality of players and it being more about motivation.

Wayne is not a rebuild coach and doesn't care about how he leaves a side when he finishes up. In fact I believe he likes them to crash and burn after he leaves.

They are the worst type of coaches for this club.

You can't be serious about Wayne Bennett @cochise?
What would a coach's motivation be to leave the club in a mess after they leave?
Wouldn't that be a sure fire way of not getting another coaching position?
As far as I can see Bennett is still respected.

100% mate, what club has been better after he left them? Have a look at the stabs he takes a Brisbane, every single chance he gets. He has loved every moment of Brisbane's troubles, that is the club he spent most of his career at, he loves they are failing right now. I would think if you look hard enough you will find he has been similar after he left other clubs.

His motivation is that when the club fails without him it feeds into his ego. Wayne Bennett is about Wayne Bennett and he would do anything to win a comp at his next club, including selling their future for short term success because it adds to his legacy, especially this late in his career.

 

[bathursttiger1]

I love Madge and will be disappointed if we part ways...really wanted him to bring us out of the hole but maybe we are just to too weak atm for his style...I reallly think we need to go for a coach with a great reputation and who players love...my two ideal options would be Wayne or filter...both would help us with attracting the right players

NOOOOOO to both


ciraldo or Flanagan?

Fittler and Bennett

Tbh I can’t really see any other coach changing this team besides tho two, due to their ability to get stars in the squad. Truth is we are a weak team...Madge is a good coach with an underperforming roster...imo no coach can get this team into the the top...so either stick with Madge and co and try and rebuild culture from the bottom down or get a high profile coach like Freddy or Wayne to attract top tier talent

Fittler is a dunce who does well at origin level due to the quality of players and it being more about motivation.

Wayne is not a rebuild coach and doesn't care about how he leaves a side when he finishes up. In fact I believe he likes them to crash and burn after he leaves.

They are the worst type of coaches for this club.

You can't be serious about Wayne Bennett @cochise?
What would a coach's motivation be to leave the club in a mess after they leave?
Wouldn't that be a sure fire way of not getting another coaching position?
As far as I can see Bennett is still respected.

Bennett is a good coach when he has a team full of SOO and Australian players, but stll only won 6 premierships with all the best cattle money could buy.
He also left Newcastle is an absolute mess which took years to fix.

 

[BZN]

Problem with Kent’s argument sack the players is Madge hired the majority of these sackable players. That’s important to remember.

Gees Tony, how many times does it have to be said.
Madge didnt hire "the majority of these sackable players".
Hartigan, Madge and that other bloke that was mentioned in the list @Cochise put out a couple of days ago hired these blokes.

 

[Tiger5150]

Anyone who is blaming Madge for our current position and wants him sacked, go back and watch the Melbourne game and the first half of the Souffs game.

Madge is not the one CONSTANTLY dropping the ball in our 20m, dropping the ball in the PTB on the first, tapping the ball over the sideline despite the fact his foot is 3m infield, giving away stupid 2 on 1 stripping penalties, missing simple tackles.

The pressure we continually put ourselves under by inept stupid players is incredible and Storms and Souffs showed what a good team does to you when you do it.

We didnt even get to a Madge game plan in either of those games.

 

[yeahcaz]

Anyone who is blaming Madge for our current position and wants him sacked, go back and watch the Melbourne game and the first half of the Souffs game.

Madge is not the one CONSTANTLY dropping the ball in our 20m, dropping the ball in the PTB on the first, tapping the ball over the sideline despite the fact his foot is 3m infield, giving away stupid 2 on 1 stripping penalties, missing simple tackles.

The pressure we continually put ourselves under by inept stupid players is incredible and Storms and Souffs showed what a good team does to you when you do it.

We didnt even get to a Madge game plan in either of those games.

Hahahahaha oh give me a break.

Please enlighten me and everyone here what a Maguire game plan is ? Because after 3 years I don’t have a bloody clue.

Listen to anyone talk about us and the first thing they say is we have no identity. We’re not a grinding team, not a flare like attack team, hell we are barely even just a team

 

[BZN]

WT are going backwards and something needs to change. Sixteen games in and compared to last season's twenty, thus far in this one the side has regressed 15.5% defensively and 6.7% attack wise.

Nearly five extra points to now be 30 leaked and best part of a couple less scored week on week to 20.

Looking back at 2018/19 seasons and the only team now below our WT that was above them then are the donkeys.

This is exactly the reason Maguire needs to go within weeks ..are things going to improve next season? Do not think so , the graph has only gone one way since he arrived .
There needs some real leadership within the club at this present time and the decision needs to be made ,there is a great opportunity for a coach coming in with many off contract and a huge war chest to entice players .
Next season could be territory that this club has not been before and there will be more than the coach being shown the door if the appropriate course is not set in motion quickly.


Sacking the coach will almost certainly guarantee we get the spoon next year, because what we’ve seen previously is a period of disruption followed by a breakdown in procedures.
We are better off sticking with the plan, our KOE comprised team will be better next year and better the year after. Let’s not panic and tear up the plan.
Perhaps there will be more acceptance of Sheens this time too?

Lol how. Keeping the same coach with no more recruits because there aren’t any will certainly guarantee the spoon

The commentators on ch9 this morning and ABC radio this arvo all said Wests Tigers need to sign Finnucane.

 

[yeahcaz]

WT are going backwards and something needs to change. Sixteen games in and compared to last season's twenty, thus far in this one the side has regressed 15.5% defensively and 6.7% attack wise.

Nearly five extra points to now be 30 leaked and best part of a couple less scored week on week to 20.

Looking back at 2018/19 seasons and the only team now below our WT that was above them then are the donkeys.

This is exactly the reason Maguire needs to go within weeks ..are things going to improve next season? Do not think so , the graph has only gone one way since he arrived .
There needs some real leadership within the club at this present time and the decision needs to be made ,there is a great opportunity for a coach coming in with many off contract and a huge war chest to entice players .
Next season could be territory that this club has not been before and there will be more than the coach being shown the door if the appropriate course is not set in motion quickly.


Sacking the coach will almost certainly guarantee we get the spoon next year, because what we’ve seen previously is a period of disruption followed by a breakdown in procedures.
We are better off sticking with the plan, our KOE comprised team will be better next year and better the year after. Let’s not panic and tear up the plan.
Perhaps there will be more acceptance of Sheens this time too?

Lol how. Keeping the same coach with no more recruits because there aren’t any will certainly guarantee the spoon

The commentators on ch9 this morning and ABC radio this arvo all said Wests Tigers need to sign Finnucane.

The same idiots and the ones on NRL 360 said the same thing about Tamou last year

 

[cochise]

WT are going backwards and something needs to change. Sixteen games in and compared to last season's twenty, thus far in this one the side has regressed 15.5% defensively and 6.7% attack wise.

Nearly five extra points to now be 30 leaked and best part of a couple less scored week on week to 20.

Looking back at 2018/19 seasons and the only team now below our WT that was above them then are the donkeys.

This is exactly the reason Maguire needs to go within weeks ..are things going to improve next season? Do not think so , the graph has only gone one way since he arrived .
There needs some real leadership within the club at this present time and the decision needs to be made ,there is a great opportunity for a coach coming in with many off contract and a huge war chest to entice players .
Next season could be territory that this club has not been before and there will be more than the coach being shown the door if the appropriate course is not set in motion quickly.


Sacking the coach will almost certainly guarantee we get the spoon next year, because what we’ve seen previously is a period of disruption followed by a breakdown in procedures.
We are better off sticking with the plan, our KOE comprised team will be better next year and better the year after. Let’s not panic and tear up the plan.
Perhaps there will be more acceptance of Sheens this time too?

Lol how. Keeping the same coach with no more recruits because there aren’t any will certainly guarantee the spoon

The commentators on ch9 this morning and ABC radio this arvo all said Wests Tigers need to sign Finnucane.

His age and asking price worry me a lot

 

[BZN]

WT are going backwards and something needs to change. Sixteen games in and compared to last season's twenty, thus far in this one the side has regressed 15.5% defensively and 6.7% attack wise.

Nearly five extra points to now be 30 leaked and best part of a couple less scored week on week to 20.

Looking back at 2018/19 seasons and the only team now below our WT that was above them then are the donkeys.

This is exactly the reason Maguire needs to go within weeks ..are things going to improve next season? Do not think so , the graph has only gone one way since he arrived .
There needs some real leadership within the club at this present time and the decision needs to be made ,there is a great opportunity for a coach coming in with many off contract and a huge war chest to entice players .
Next season could be territory that this club has not been before and there will be more than the coach being shown the door if the appropriate course is not set in motion quickly.

Well written. I agree with what you have stated.

Of course you would, but sacking the coach on a WTF posters speculation on what might happen next year doesn't make any sense.
Remember Hercules said "stay calm and have a strong coffee"?

Yes!!!...he did say that to, I was there at the time :wink: .

 

[BAGNF05]

WT are going backwards and something needs to change. Sixteen games in and compared to last season's twenty, thus far in this one the side has regressed 15.5% defensively and 6.7% attack wise.

Nearly five extra points to now be 30 leaked and best part of a couple less scored week on week to 20.

Looking back at 2018/19 seasons and the only team now below our WT that was above them then are the donkeys.

This is exactly the reason Maguire needs to go within weeks ..are things going to improve next season? Do not think so , the graph has only gone one way since he arrived .
There needs some real leadership within the club at this present time and the decision needs to be made ,there is a great opportunity for a coach coming in with many off contract and a huge war chest to entice players .
Next season could be territory that this club has not been before and there will be more than the coach being shown the door if the appropriate course is not set in motion quickly.


Sacking the coach will almost certainly guarantee we get the spoon next year, because what we’ve seen previously is a period of disruption followed by a breakdown in procedures.
We are better off sticking with the plan, our KOE comprised team will be better next year and better the year after. Let’s not panic and tear up the plan.
Perhaps there will be more acceptance of Sheens this time too?

Lol how. Keeping the same coach with no more recruits because there aren’t any will certainly guarantee the spoon

The commentators on ch9 this morning and ABC radio this arvo all said Wests Tigers need to sign Finnucane.

The same idiots and the ones on NRL 360 said the same thing about Tamou last year

Did they say an ageing Tamou on 300K would fix the rabble all by himself?

 

[BAGNF05]

Anyone who is blaming Madge for our current position and wants him sacked, go back and watch the Melbourne game and the first half of the Souffs game.

Madge is not the one CONSTANTLY dropping the ball in our 20m, dropping the ball in the PTB on the first, tapping the ball over the sideline despite the fact his foot is 3m infield, giving away stupid 2 on 1 stripping penalties, missing simple tackles.

The pressure we continually put ourselves under by inept stupid players is incredible and Storms and Souffs showed what a good team does to you when you do it.

We didnt even get to a Madge game plan in either of those games.

Hahahahaha oh give me a break.

Please enlighten me and everyone here what a Maguire game plan is ? Because after 3 years I don’t have a bloody clue.

Listen to anyone talk about us and the first thing they say is we have no identity. We’re not a grinding team, not a flare like attack team, hell we are barely even just a team

If madges game plans are so bad why do they always seem to work about once every three weeks? Are you sure it’s not just the nuffies failing to execute the plan two out of every three weeks.

 

[Tiger5150]

Anyone who is blaming Madge for our current position and wants him sacked, go back and watch the Melbourne game and the first half of the Souffs game.

Madge is not the one CONSTANTLY dropping the ball in our 20m, dropping the ball in the PTB on the first, tapping the ball over the sideline despite the fact his foot is 3m infield, giving away stupid 2 on 1 stripping penalties, missing simple tackles.

The pressure we continually put ourselves under by inept stupid players is incredible and Storms and Souffs showed what a good team does to you when you do it.

We didnt even get to a Madge game plan in either of those games.

Hahahahaha oh give me a break.

Please enlighten me and everyone here what a Maguire game plan is ? Because after 3 years I don’t have a bloody clue.

Listen to anyone talk about us and the first thing they say is we have no identity. We’re not a grinding team, not a flare like attack team, hell we are barely even just a team

We were behind 30-0 before completed a set against Melbourne, simply because they kept handing over the ball and wouldnt put their shoulder in. Then they continued to turn the ball over. There is no game plan that survives that.

 

[Moh]

Kent is spot on - our players are happy just to be playing first grade and having a laugh with their mates.

 

[BZN]

WT are going backwards and something needs to change. Sixteen games in and compared to last season's twenty, thus far in this one the side has regressed 15.5% defensively and 6.7% attack wise.

Nearly five extra points to now be 30 leaked and best part of a couple less scored week on week to 20.

Looking back at 2018/19 seasons and the only team now below our WT that was above them then are the donkeys.

This is exactly the reason Maguire needs to go within weeks ..are things going to improve next season? Do not think so , the graph has only gone one way since he arrived .
There needs some real leadership within the club at this present time and the decision needs to be made ,there is a great opportunity for a coach coming in with many off contract and a huge war chest to entice players .
Next season could be territory that this club has not been before and there will be more than the coach being shown the door if the appropriate course is not set in motion quickly.

To be fair, the side did again finish ninth in McGuire's first year with our for and against better than in 2018. That said, WT finished that season knowing the Traitor was leaving and would likely have finished better under different circumstances.

Changing coaches too often is bad, I think there is no one who would deny that. Unfortunately I feel if Cleary had stayed we could have been talking finals footy by now as he seemed to be able to draw out the best from players.. Yes it would be best if Madge could all of a sudden find something, by any means - sack half the team, who cares, to get players on the park who show grit and determination. If this doesn't happen by the end of the year he should go. Tell me any professional sporting organisation, where after three years at the helm, the team gets progressively worse each year, the coach is not put on notice or outright sacked. As I've stated before, so should half a dozen players as well.

Yes, Cleary seemed to do a good job for about 1/2 the time he was here.
One thing I feel was very positive was his "on the Bus" slogan.
That to me seemed to be a rallying and unifying call to players and supporters, but particularly to the players to...**get on the bus and play Wests Tigers way or get off and go away.**

 

[BZN]

Problem with Kent’s argument sack the players is Madge hired the majority of these sackable players. That’s important to remember.

Madge didn't hire so many of the players, he retained them. It's a different thing, you can't replace a player just because you feel like it, you have to have someone else lined up to adequately cover the gap.

So every coach in history has to maintain some of the roster they inherited, they can't change everything in 1-2 seasons. Madge has had two recruitment drives available to him since he joined (2020 and 2021), and the first one in particular was hamstrung by the contracts of Mbye, Packer, Mutalino, Reynolds. Reynolds was only cleared at the start of 2021. Plus the salary cap penalty from Farahgate; Madge wasn't even here.

It's a mistake to say that because the coach didn't cut every single ordinary player, that anyone he retained is "his player".

You've raised some very good points here Jirskyr.

 

[BZN]

Firstly,I cant support sacking the coach on biased opinion from people on a forum who have little or no knowledge of what truely is going on or being said at board level..
Secondly the critics who keep saying that this is his roster,Hartigan was employed so we purchase the best players available with money available..so its not all on Madge atm...
Thirdly ...Madge has identified with Hartigan the best possible youth to develope into NRL prospects...they are learning and developing as Madge gives them NRL debuts (Cini comes to mind)...
Lastly Madge has been seen numerous times with the KOE cup players and managers and is helping them along the way to becoming NRL standard players...

BUT lets keep talking sack the coach.....its what Wests Tigers do best...

Sort of agree but would like to know who are the players ‘white anting” Madge this year and how long are their contracts . Last year it was Benji. Who is it now ? The contenders would be MBye, Packer, Joey but how much influence would they have on the younger players?

I dont know who in particular is whiteanting Madge,but I have always been taught to respect my peers...if this squad is failing to live up to their paychecks and not doing what the coach asks....then maybe they should get out or find another profession...after all they have chosen to play NRL as a career,if they can do better at coaching,then that should be the road they should choose and not play...

Luke Lewis was asked on ABC Grandstand this arvo would he be interested in coaching in the NRL and he sounded interested.
The conversation carried on and he said very definitely... **players have the power to make or break coaches.**

 

[Needaname]

WT are going backwards and something needs to change. Sixteen games in and compared to last season's twenty, thus far in this one the side has regressed 15.5% defensively and 6.7% attack wise.

Nearly five extra points to now be 30 leaked and best part of a couple less scored week on week to 20.

Looking back at 2018/19 seasons and the only team now below our WT that was above them then are the donkeys.

This is exactly the reason Maguire needs to go within weeks ..are things going to improve next season? Do not think so , the graph has only gone one way since he arrived .
There needs some real leadership within the club at this present time and the decision needs to be made ,there is a great opportunity for a coach coming in with many off contract and a huge war chest to entice players .
Next season could be territory that this club has not been before and there will be more than the coach being shown the door if the appropriate course is not set in motion quickly.


Sacking the coach will almost certainly guarantee we get the spoon next year, because what we’ve seen previously is a period of disruption followed by a breakdown in procedures.
We are better off sticking with the plan, our KOE comprised team will be better next year and better the year after. Let’s not panic and tear up the plan.
Perhaps there will be more acceptance of Sheens this time too?

Lol how. Keeping the same coach with no more recruits because there aren’t any will certainly guarantee the spoon

The commentators on ch9 this morning and ABC radio this arvo all said Wests Tigers need to sign Finnucane.

The same idiots and the ones on NRL 360 said the same thing about Tamou last year

Did they say an ageing Tamou on 300K would fix the rabble all by himself?

I believe at the time we were also trying to get Kevin Proctor who ended up extending with the Titans.
So I did think the plan was to add more experience but there weren’t too many options around at the time.

 

[tony soprano]

WT are going backwards and something needs to change. Sixteen games in and compared to last season's twenty, thus far in this one the side has regressed 15.5% defensively and 6.7% attack wise.

Nearly five extra points to now be 30 leaked and best part of a couple less scored week on week to 20.

Looking back at 2018/19 seasons and the only team now below our WT that was above them then are the donkeys.

This is exactly the reason Maguire needs to go within weeks ..are things going to improve next season? Do not think so , the graph has only gone one way since he arrived .
There needs some real leadership within the club at this present time and the decision needs to be made ,there is a great opportunity for a coach coming in with many off contract and a huge war chest to entice players .
Next season could be territory that this club has not been before and there will be more than the coach being shown the door if the appropriate course is not set in motion quickly.


Sacking the coach will almost certainly guarantee we get the spoon next year, because what we’ve seen previously is a period of disruption followed by a breakdown in procedures.
We are better off sticking with the plan, our KOE comprised team will be better next year and better the year after. Let’s not panic and tear up the plan.
Perhaps there will be more acceptance of Sheens this time too?

Lol how. Keeping the same coach with no more recruits because there aren’t any will certainly guarantee the spoon

The commentators on ch9 this morning and ABC radio this arvo all said Wests Tigers need to sign Finnucane.

Yep but we won’t

 

[twentyforty]

WT are going backwards and something needs to change. Sixteen games in and compared to last season's twenty, thus far in this one the side has regressed 15.5% defensively and 6.7% attack wise.

Nearly five extra points to now be 30 leaked and best part of a couple less scored week on week to 20.

Looking back at 2018/19 seasons and the only team now below our WT that was above them then are the donkeys.

This is exactly the reason Maguire needs to go within weeks ..are things going to improve next season? Do not think so , the graph has only gone one way since he arrived .
There needs some real leadership within the club at this present time and the decision needs to be made ,there is a great opportunity for a coach coming in with many off contract and a huge war chest to entice players .
Next season could be territory that this club has not been before and there will be more than the coach being shown the door if the appropriate course is not set in motion quickly.


Sacking the coach will almost certainly guarantee we get the spoon next year, because what we’ve seen previously is a period of disruption followed by a breakdown in procedures.
We are better off sticking with the plan, our KOE comprised team will be better next year and better the year after. Let’s not panic and tear up the plan.
Perhaps there will be more acceptance of Sheens this time too?

Lol how. Keeping the same coach with no more recruits because there aren’t any will certainly guarantee the spoon

And when Madge replaces Bellamy at the Storm and wins a GF, we will just reinforce our loser mentality. It should be abundantly clear by now, we make very poor decisions, which cost us on field success.
Personally, I don’t like looking at the growing list of great players we pushed out the door who’s only crime may have been their junior club heritage. Sure, why not? Let’s add a great coach to that list?
My only hope is that Tim Sheens takes control of football decision making and separates the turkeys from the eagles.

 

[tiger05premier]

Problem with Kent’s argument sack the players is Madge hired the majority of these sackable players. That’s important to remember.

Gees Tony, how many times does it have to be said.
Madge didnt hire "the majority of these sackable players".
Hartigan, Madge and that other bloke that was mentioned in the list @Cochise put out a couple of days ago hired these blokes.

Plus you have to sign players to make a team and at the moment the players we have are the only ones that will sign

They are not what we really want

We wanted Arrow JAC LM Brimson Lomax etc but they wouldn't sign

The only other option if we didn't sign the duds we have is to pull out of the comp